The James Webb space telescope

Yes
No

Please don’t blow up, please don’t blow up…..

I bloody love science like this.

JWST...

over $10Bn..

with only 344 potential single-point failures, any of which could doom the project...

80% of these are to do with the deployment phase...

Being deployed to an L2 orbit beyond the Moon so out of range of any human or indeed robot servicing mission (unless there is a very daring deep space mission done later this decade)

er...

Eek!

I predict a few weeks of very squeaky bottom time for a lot of Nasa/ESA/CSA personnel.

Currently due to launch on the 24th and if it works it will be truly awesome.

My brother-in-laws wife will be at Launch Control (she’s a pretty senior member of the team at Northrop Grummond (sp.) as part of the launch team - he was very involved (designing the starshade) but he’s at home with their little girl (with help from granny and granddad who have flown out to LA).

To say the rest of us are very, very excited is a slight understatement.

A friend of mine is one of the team who built the JWST. I've loved watching his update posts, and same as Johndoh, very excited!

@kimbers

You have it the wrong way around - they pretty well much know it should see to the dawn of time (edit - the first nuclear actions that brought about light) but they aren’t looking for ET.

Pyro - at NG in LA?

One of the most beautiful things about it is that the mirror opening mechanism was inspired by nature and the Fibonacci sequence. Basically just like a fern unfolding.

johndoh
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@kimbers

You have it the wrong way around – they pretty well much know it should see to the dawn of time (edit – the first nuclear actions that brought about light) but they aren’t looking for ET.

It'll be able to peer into the atmospheric composition of exo planets I think. Might not be definitive, but should lead to some interesting hints atleast.

I agree, but that isn’t (as far as I understand - I play more GT3 with them when we get to see them) - the primary mission is to see to the dawn of light.

Well I can't claim any connection to it, personal or familial, but I'm about as excited by this as I was for Apollo 11. We have to wait 6 months for images though.

mashr
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Please don’t blow up, please don’t blow up…..

I'm putting 20 scottish pence on a succesful launch then it fails to deploy properly leading to a long horrible drawn out waiting game over the course of months.

This is a really cool machine. Not the way the scientists judge these things, but very, very cool.

Northwind
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mashr
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Please don’t blow up, please don’t blow up…..

I’m putting 20 scottish pence on a succesful launch then it fails to deploy properly leading to a long horrible drawn out waiting game over the course of months.

There'll be no drawn out waiting game, it's deploying a million miles from earth at the Lagrange point, if it doesn't work, the games a bogey!

It's also only got fuel for 5-10 years. So that's its lifetime, hubble will outlast it.

Though, I do wonder why they didn't just design a refuelling mission?

but they aren’t looking for ET.

Neither was Eliot. Found him though.

Anyway, I don’t want to get drawn into arguments - I am just so proud that my wife’s brother and his wife have been (for the last 15 years or so) pretty significant people in the development. I just hope it works 😬

seosamh77
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There’ll be no drawn out waiting game, it’s deploying a million miles from earth at the Lagrange point, if it doesn’t work, the games a bogey!

Yeah but like with mars probes etc there's always the "we'll try another approach" "maybe if we send another mission up with a robot leg to kick it". It's never "ah well we tried to deploy it and it failed so that's it folks", it always drags on, unless it explodes

Though, I do wonder why they didn’t just design a refuelling mission?

It is theoretically possible to refuel but it isn't planned for. An alternative approach is apparently to have a robot device with a motor and fuel attach using the Arianne docking ring and use that to to control JW.

Pyro – at NG in LA?

Johndoh - yep. Now out in Guyana for the launch I believe

Part of the James Webb mission is to look for exoplanets with the potential for life.

They must be shitting bricks about every stage of this, also very excited to see what happens.

The recent mars lander was pretty epic, and before that the Cassini/Huygens mission was fabulous. Didn't it have to aim for the gap in the rings during it's deceleration burn, which of course it did perfectly?

Almost as excited about this as I was about William Shatnerpants going up in Bezos' penis rocket... 😉

I really hope this thing works!

I have no involvement in this but it’s making me anxious 😬

For anyone new to this topic here’s the full scale mock up that’s what needs launching and autonomously unpacking once in space

slowoldman
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Though, I do wonder why they didn’t just design a refuelling mission?

It is theoretically possible to refuel but it isn’t planned for. An alternative approach is apparently to have a robot device with a motor and fuel attach using the Arianne docking ring and use that to to control JW.

Interesting ta, aye seen it has a docking ring so makes sense.

Did read that the fuel on board is a guaranteed 5 years, but probably likely to last 10 or more years.

Moved to Christmas eve 🤞🤞🤞

https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/countdown.html

Did read that the fuel on board is a guaranteed 5 years, but probably likely to last 10 or more years.

For the $10bn cost that does seem a bit of a short life.....

Johndoh – yep. Now out in Guyana for the launch I believe

Hah - they probably know each other then (well they will soon if not yet). She hasn't flown out yet (I think she is now going out on 20th Dec assuming no more delays.

Part of the James Webb mission is to look for exoplanets with the potential for life.

I am sure it is, but the primary mission is as I mentioned above – to explore the events immediately after the Big Bang, the first light, the first formation of planets etc.

Keeping everything crossed for the team and a successful launch / deployment.

All the work that lets us put our relative position in the universe into perspective really does have 100% merit IMO.

My dog is called Hubble, but if I get another, calling it James Webb doesn't have the same ring tho...

^ Get a pet tarantula and call it Webb

johndoh
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^ Get a pet tarantula and call it Webb

jeenyis! 😆

Yes, but in your post, you sounded like you weren't sure. I was just confirming the search for exoplanets was part of its mission. This is the part of the mission I'm interested in and not the big bang.

I have been following the development of this for a long time and even mentioned the telescope in the 'Why is it imperative for the human race to survive?' thread last month.

Though, I do wonder why they didn’t just design a refuelling mission?

That surprised me when I heard about it. Ten years isn't much of a lifetime. I'm guessing (although from a baseline of having very little knowledge) that if it deploys successfully and starts to bring in useful data then a way will be found to refuel.

Fingers crossed for a good launch; so many people have put so much hard work into this.

Oh and Lego are considering a proposal that the JWST be one of their forthcoming space models.

First light is 100 million years after the Big Bang.

At least the JWST isn't going to be affected by the one thing you can be guaranteed of as an amateur astronomer when you buy some new kit. Cloud!

futonrivercrossing
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First light is 100 million years after the Big Bang.

between 240,000 and 300,000 years

First light is 100 million years after the Big Bang

It is. And that is pretty well much a blink of an eye in the lifetime of the universe.

Amazing bit of science isn't it?

I had no idea it had such a relatively short lifespan though, due to fuel limitations.

What type of fuel are we talking here guys?

Cheers.

Less fuel than my van!!

60 gallons of not diesel (hydrazine and oxidiser).

More here https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/11/28/nasa-gives-green-light-to-fuel-james-webb-space-telescope/

“When you work on a $10 billion telescope, conservatism is the order of the day,” said Thomas Zurbuchen, head of NASA’s science mission directorate.

GULP

Delayed again. Now set for Christmas Day 12:20 UK time. Great timing between breakfast and dinner.

I'll likely be starting to cook about then :/

over $10Bn..

with only 344 potential single-point failures, any of which could doom the project…

80% of these are to do with the deployment phase…

Being deployed to an L2 orbit beyond the Moon so out of range of any human or indeed robot servicing mission (unless there is a very daring deep space mission done later this decade)

er…

For the $10bn cost that does seem a bit of a short life…

AFAIK, no space mission that involves research, as in satellites and/or telescopes have been intended to last more than a few years. Hubble has lasted much longer than was expected, and as for the Voyager missions, they’re still sending back data nearly half a century after being launched, and they’re both now in true interstellar space! There are scientists involved with Voyager who’ve spent their entire working lives on that one project, which in itself is astonishing.

Even the little Mars helicopter was only intended to last for five missions,  it’s up to thirty, if memory serves, and the damn thing keeps on going!

PS - love the cartoon! ^^ 🤣

Updated cooking plan:

12:10 Another snifter
12:15 Heat goose fat
12:20 JWST
12:30 Cook roast pots
12:31 Utilise fire blanket

We’ve got a lunchtime Teams call planned (brother in law in Oz and the other in LA). LA brother in law’s wife (who will be at mission control as mentioned earlier) still says she’ll try to join the call if she can 😹 Apparently she was on 60 Minutes on CBS talking about it recently (and has done a TED talk too).

I so hope this thing works!

This??

https://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes/video/aK8qt14MxTAyD_xHn_v4JR3Ec3RzTlEy/looking-back-in-time-with-the-james-webb-space-telescope/

Lots of women on there. Which one is your relly?

sofaman
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Updated cooking plan:

12:10 Another snifter
12:15 Heat goose fat
12:20 JWST
12:30 Cook roast pots
12:31 Utilise fire blanket

😆

@scuttler - I can’t get that link to play but it’s Amy Lo (Warwick) depending on what name she uses professionally. She’s Chinese American.

I need to find a stream that works.

Yeah Amy Lo (rhymes with John Doh) on at the start in the N-G clean room (all gowned up) then interviewed face to face. She gets loads of air time!

That was a nice little programme.

Ohh cool. I’ll have to find it on YouTube.

👍

Search elves have brought you this

Been talking about the JWST in the classroom. The information we will get from the JWST will be huge. Being able to record in IR means we can see through clouds of dust. The Spitzer Space Telescope was launched in 2003 and produced some wonderful data. the JWST main mirror is almost 7x larger.

Pillars of creation in the eagle nebula (star forming) - visible vs IR

I know it's a long wait for first images, but I'm really looking forward to them...

So long as Perkin-Elmer have had nothing to do with the mirror all should be well 🙂

Really hoping everything goes to plan and it sends back the data everyone is hoping for...

So long as Perkin-Elmer have had nothing to do with the mirror all should be well

lol

I just came across this which is a nice overview of the mission.

Webb Media Kit

I so hope this thing works!

Somehow, I don’t think you’re alone in that!

Sorry if I've missed, where can I stream this tomorrow guys?

Cheers!

See the link to NASA Live at
https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/countdown.htmlem >Should take you to a YouTube link at

I really, really hope it works.

Just had a quick FaceTime with them and she said ‘I’ve just got a couple of hours of fettling to do, then I’m done’. Nice to hear that her Yorkshire-bred hubby has taught her something 😹

scuttler
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See the link to NASA Live at
https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/webbLaunch/countdown.htmlShould take you to a YouTube link at

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Cheers bud.

johndoh
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Just had a quick FaceTime with them and she said ‘I’ve just got a couple of hours of fettling to do, then I’m done’. Nice to hear that her Yorkshire-bred hubby has taught her something 😹

Yeah, it's a bugger when your bike throws a chain on its maiden ride, this is another level of fettling.

 

As a Yorkshireman, love the ‘fettling’ anecdote. Nice shed they have at Northrop Grumman.

I'm looking forward to a successful launch. 👍

Tomorrow is…

Present opening (kids)
Present opening (parents)
Quick shower
Coffee
Put the turkey on
Have some alcohol
Watch the launch

The best bloody Christmas for a long time.

I’m looking forward to a successful launch. 👍

Me too, but I also have a sneaky wish to see the reaction shots if the whole thing explodes on the launchpad.

Not sure Roman was particularly invested in that launch.

Amused to think how many Americans believe the universe is 20000 years old rather than 14 billion

And we're live! 🙂

Yep, settling down in front of it.

11.12 and counting!

santa hats in mission control, hardly very professional ! 😉

T-4

is there a backup ready to launch from some remote japanese/chinese island ? anyone seen Jake Busey ?

Squeeky bum time! 😆