[Closed] The irony of the woofterball world cup...

So did we establish yet if football is for gayers?

Football's for anyone, regardless of race, gender or sexuality. Bit like other sports then, such as cycling, for example.

Need help with anything else?

"Sticks and stones may break my bones............, jesus get a life or some of you actually believe what you write.
Have a read of Roger Mellies Profanisaurus you Chutney Ferrets

Need help with anything else?

Yeah, which one's my arse, and which one's my elbow again? And I need my nose wiping, ooh and my socks pulling up.

Fanksssss

Lol zokes. Try harder. Have a think about it, but if you really don't understand - I'm not going to waste my time getting worried about it. Happy Christmas.

Lol zokes. Try harder. Have a think about it, but if you really don't understand - I'm not going to waste my time getting worried about it. Happy Christmas.

Clearly your brain is just a head stabilising device then, if that's the limit of your sentient activity...

zokes

So why would someone who is homosexual automatically take offence at the use of the word 'woofer'? Do you use your brain for thinking, or is it just in there to stop your head from wobbling about too much?

Thats not the offensive thing here

The offensive thing is using a slang word for homosexual as an insult.

Thats the bit you don't understand.

<drifts in>

Is zokes still digging ?

<drifts out>

inbred853 - Member
"Sticks and stones may break my bones............, jesus get a life or some of you actually believe what you write.
Have a read of Roger Mellies Profanisaurus you Chutney Ferrets

Clearly you don't believe what you write then? That's got to be a weird feeling.

So why would someone who is homosexual automatically take offence at the use of the word 'woofer'?

derogatory [d??r?g?t?r? -tr?]
adj
tending or intended to detract, disparage, or belittle; intentionally offensive

Do you use your brain for thinking, or is it just in there to stop your head from wobbling about too much

Is it ok to call someone a moron though? Surely that's just being derogative of people with learning difficulties.

This still trundling on?

ian read the thread aleady covered

So you think that some with LD would take offence at those words? WHY WOULD THEY? Why would you ASSUME they would? Is it because you feel that anyone with LD is a moron?

The offensive thing is using a slang word for homosexual as an insult.

Like calling someone a moron or an idiot then? When done facelessly at someone over STW it's hardly a term of endearment, is it?

Are no words offensive then?

Quite the contrary, it's rapidly becoming apparent that [i]all[/i] words are offensive, if your horse is high enough...

So why would someone who is homosexual automatically take offence at the use of the word 'woofer'?

Maybe they work in the field of loudspeaker design and manufacture, and prefer it to be called a 'bass unit'.

Maybe they work in the field of loudspeaker design and manufacture, and prefer it to be called a 'bass unit'.

Or are furniture makers and prefer the term 'foot rest' to poof?

No that's a pouffe.

Tell you what; if we ever need a tunnel to Australia, we know where to come, eh?

Tell you what; if we ever need a tunnel to Australia, we know where to come, eh?

Well, I am a desk-bound soil scientist... I guess I don't get out to dig in the real world much any more, so virtual digging on STW is the way to go!

it's rapidly becoming apparent that all words are offensive

You clearly know no one has claimed this and just want to avoid confronting the central issue of your use of a word ,defined in the dictionary as derogatory, is indeed derogatory/offensive.

OK, fine woofter is 'offensive'. But given that your first input on this thread was to use an exceedingly insulting and derogatory term to address me, your opinion is null and void.

(Oh, and wunundred 😉 )

[i]OK, fine woofter is 'offensive'[/i]

I didn't find it offensive...

I think offence is something that is taken not given. So it has to be the recipient who defines it, which is why I despise the whole concept of offence/inappropriateness.

It's a free country say what you like.

I call football wendyball to be derogatory. I guess it is really an occult gesture that means gay anyway. The problem is worsened by the fact that if you associate Gay with being soft/wet/pansy, which might be considered bad enough, then you are also being soft/wet/pansy phobic. Where does it end? I guess with the social exclusion of those who insist on insulting other people based on any identifiable physical/mental/social trait.

Luckily we have a degree of free speech in this country..

Luckily we have a degree of free speech in this country..

If not, with the usual plebs, and the mods' new found fondness for bannings, this forum...

Well it is their forum. If it was my forum I would ban/censor an awful lot more, not out of any sense of doing the right thing, but out of self righteousness. I think the speech is pretty free here given the nature of human subjectivity.

Luckily we have a degree of free speech in this country

Sadly we have too many people who shouldn't be trusted with the privelidge.

Sadly we have too many people who shouldn't be trusted with the privileged.

To be honest I think that is the saddest thing you can say, anyone has the right to say what they like.

'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,' was his attitude now.
S. G. Tallentyre, referring to Voltaire. Often attributed to Voltaire.

OK, fine woofter is 'offensive'. But given that your first input on this thread was to use an exceedingly insulting and derogatory term to address me, your opinion is null and void

toys I agree if the OP was making a political statement but I am not going to die for his right to be offensive to gay people you can if you want. You dont have the right to be offensive
Can I come round your house and call your partner/loved ones names and then expect you to leap to my defence and witter on about my free speech as I call them names
I am not doing the no one has the right to be not offended debate again.

so by the same "logic" as you started a thread with an offensive term your opinion is null and void.

Why comment to start with then? It's mainly because of your comments that it's already over 100 posts...

I am not doing the no one has the right to be not offended debate again.

Mainly, because you'll loose, again...

toys I agree if the OP was making a political statement but I am not going to die for his right to be offensive to gay people you can if you want. You dont have the right to be offensive
Can I come round your house and call your partner/loved ones names and then expect you to leap to my defence and witter on about my free speech as I call them names
I am not doing the no one has the right to be not offended debate again.

Yes this is a logical fallacy known as the "Slippery Slope Argument". Zokes is not in your house is he? He is in public, and he isn't naming names either. If you came round my house and insulted my wife I'd give you a wallop. Rights or not.

In reality its a pretty weak insult anyway. Lets face it given the way footballers dive and make a scene they seem to bring derision upon themselves, Zokes unfortunate use of language might be ill considered but if woofter by association with "gay" means wet/soft/pansy then it's pretty spot on for footballers, just not so spot on for homosexuals. I'm no expert on the social distribution of pansyness but I know lots of straight people and lots of gay people, some of them are soft some are not, but there isn't a correlation between softness and sexual preference, so it's more inaccurate than offensive.

You dont have the right to be offensive

This is just pure misspeak. You have the right to say what you want, unfortunately offence might be a by product. So by inference you do have the right to be offensive. anyway offence isn't actually something you can do, its something taken by the recipient. It is the recipients choice to be offended.

And when somebody feels the need to be offended on STW, they most certainly will be - galloping along in a little bubble of righteousness on their ridiculous high horse...

Ouch!

I dont believe for one microsecond that the OP had any other intention than to get a cheap giggle. I'm not offended btw. The attempt at high-minded justification by the OP and others is funnier.

but there isn't a correlation between softness and sexual preference, so it's more inaccurate than offensive

given the way footballers dive and make a scene they seem to bring derision upon themselves

I agree but this can be done without using a derogatory term for a gay person clearly. Zokes seems to have a wide array of insults to hand 😉

Zokes unfortunate use of language might be ill considered but if woofter by association with "gay"

It is not associated with gay it is [b]only[/b] a derogatory slang term for a gay person - it has no other meaning
Dont think I have really committed the slippery slope but lets not get side tracked here

It's mainly because of your comments that it's already over 100 posts..

Mainly, because you'll loose, again

Yes you will beat me to a bloody pulp with your cutting use of language, logic and reasoning so can I just surrender now big man?

now go and annoy the aussies about the cricket

toys so when I insult your wife I do nothing until you decide how to react then - despoite using unpleasnt names I am still doing nothing it is just you who decides what my words mean ...interesting idea on communication. I wonder why I bother to construct sentences if you choose what they mean.

are you thanking me there for giving you your moment in the limelight with a [b]spade[/b]?

I'm no expert on the social distribution of pansyness

rightness or wrongness, this is my nomination for quote of the week

As someone who works closely with people with learning disabilities - I can't see why someone would assume they are 'stupid'. That is all I am upset about.

You need to put this on hold till tomorrow Zokes ia abed with his cocoa now.

[u][i][b]King[/b][/i][/u] Prawns = Sexist.

Imagine just how outraged I would be if they were a smaller weedier version called Queen prawns eh
MORON 🙄

All this stated by a man who likes CRICKET!

Nowt wrong with the soft thud of leather on wood eh Max?

Belgian Bun = Racist.

I wonder why I bother to construct sentences if you choose what they mean.

I think you are confusing meaning with emotional response. I decide how to respond to your meaning. If you communicate effeciently I'm sure your meaning will be clear eg:

JY "Your wife is a dirty slut"

toys response
a) "What! You lowlife scum!" Smack.
b) "Yeah I know what a score, fancy a go on her while I watch?"
c) "Ha ha. Your lame attempts at insuklt backed up by your twisted logic and cliched rhetoric are basically pathetic and we couldn't be offended no matter how hard you try."

The meaning is the same, the offence or not is my choice.

Morning all...

now go and annoy the aussies about the cricket

I can't - they're all pretending that they don't like it any more - almost as amusing as some of the brain-dead comments from the usual suspects on this thread...

It is not associated with gay it is only a derogatory slang term for a gay person

Totally incorrect. [b]YOU[/b] only associate it with a gay person, by virtue of the fact that [b]YOU[/b] assiciate being wimpish and effeminate with being gay. I think you'll find, by carrying those predudices, it's [b]YOU[/b] who's being bigotted.

Yes you will beat me to a bloody pulp with your cutting use of language, logic and reasoning so can I just surrender now big man?

No need to really - you're quite capable of demonstrating how little you use your brain before using a keyboard without my help.

are you thanking me there for giving you your moment in the limelight with a spade?

Whilst aspiring to having long threads on STW may be your ultimate goal in life; I'm normally just happy with posting a few mediocre photos, commentating on the cricket, and demonstrating just how wrong or right TJ's arguments are. Still, I hope you've enjoyed this 'entertainment'.

Imagine just how outraged I would be if they were a smaller weedier version called Queen prawns eh
MORON

C'mon Elfinwatsit - tell him just how offended you were when I called you one just before you were banned last time...

An excellent point that using woofter is a sign of acceptance of homosexuality on your part and only people who object are the anti gay ones - I assume this works with the n word to black people and using **** as well. Presumably if i say it to one of that group and they get offended they are really a racist ❓
You have actually stolen someone argument from this thread that was used against you re LD s and moron as well Sherlock. I am awe struck by your [s] plagarism[/s] brain power.
I know you have better things to do hence when you got up and started posting you did so on this thread first out of all stw even the cricket one 😉
Was it even on the front page?
As you want to be one of the great insulters, rather than debaters, may I refer you to the work of Zulu-eleven he is much superior to you at this.

Clearly you have been up too long junky - even by your standards, that last post made absolutely no sense.

made sense to me.

I prefer wendyball, just because a bunch of grown men immediately start behaving like ten year old girls
So being sexist now are we?

That's pretty rich coming from an Aussie, anyway.

Who's the Aussie? If you're referring to me, I think you'll find in Monopoly terms, I've passed go, collected $200, and am 'just visiting'...

That's pretty rich coming from an Aussie, anyway.

Oh, and racsist too...

Narrow-minded, woman-hating country in hypocracy shocker links up with oldman stuck in a different era...

Junkyard I'm a little dissapointed that you haven't come back to my meaning/response argument. Come on this is supposed to be STW where's your fight gone?

Strewth!

All pretty rich from a country that gave us Julian (boy am I strange) Assange the founder of Wiki Geeks....

Narrow-minded, woman-hating country in hypocracy shocker links up with oldman stuck in a different era...

Yup - got it in one...

Clearly you have been up too long junky - even by your standards, that last post made absolutely no sense.

Buddha was not upset by these insults. Instead he asked the young man "Tell me, if you buy a gift for someone, and that person does not take it, to whom does the gift belong?"

The man was surprised to be asked such a strange question and answered, "It would belong to me, because I bought the gift."

The Buddha smiled and said, "That is correct. And it is exactly the same with your anger. If you become angry with me and I do not get insulted, then the anger falls back on you. You are then the only one who becomes unhappy, not me. All you have done is hurt yourself."

"If you want to stop hurting yourself, you must get rid of your anger and become loving instead. When you hate others, you yourself become unhappy. But when you love others, everyone is happy."

You can reasonably claim to not understand this somewhat waffling and unclear response but I am still considering what you have said but yes I have/am in the process of changing my mind reconsidering my position
STW'er changing mind SHOCKER - not sure how much I will change but yes I see your point up to a point.
There are still many words I would not use

There are still many words I would not use

Me too, but that's my choice. I still don't support any suppression of others use of "offensive" terms, even if I wouldn't use them.

Anyway it is a challenging problem..

I am not saying I would ban them either but perhaps we could discuss the issues around using them - why use a derogatory terms for a homosexual if you do not have a negative view of homosexuals? Why use the n word if you are not a racist etcI
I find it paradoxical that I can decide to be rude and offensive and use words solely for this effect BUT you get to decide if it is actually rude and offensive not me. I see your point re this but it still seems odd/wrong
Indeed a challenging probelm. I have debated this a few times you made me think/refelct/ change
Chapeau