I’ll just leave this here. I genuinely fear for the future of mankind when someone decides to pack a can of paint for a walk in the Lakes.
https://twitter.com/lakesweather/status/1506301553115811840?s=21
On the scale of bad shit happening in the world right now that doesn’t even register tbh. Someone tagged a rock. Considering there’s a war, cost of living crisis and climate crisis going on then I can’t muster much in the way of outrage or dismay at this. It’s not socially acceptable. I think that is one of the reasons for graffiti and tagging isn’t it?
Sorry to sound flippant and it is a socially unacceptable thing to do. Doesn’t make me lose faith in society or mankind though. That ship sailed a very long time ago.
Selfish people doing selfish things. Been happening for 1000s of years and will continue to happen for 1000s of years...
Maybe I should have qualified my statement.
It’s not the only thing that worries me. But it’s yet another example of things going to shit, people not giving a **** about anything but themselves and generally being selfish.
Agree, there’s much worse happening in the world just now, not ignoring them, just feeling somewhat depressed about society as a whole. That’s all.
What concerns me most is what a poor effort it is. If you’re going to carry some spray cans for miles to tag a rock then we could at least expect a bit of wild style, or something. Even the colour choice is wrong. There’s no contrast
Very poor.
Like the funkster, I’m finding it difficult to get too worked up about it, knowing that within a month or two we’ll have this to look forward too, so graffiti on rocks will be kind of academic…
Socially unacceptable (edit) and disappointing, but folk have been carving their names into trees for years.
It is crap tagging with little in the way of skill.
Got to admit that im also underehelmed by the sheer evilness of this act.
Maybe the nuclear wind from Armageddon will clean it off? Every cloud I guess.
Maybe, in thousands of years, when an alien species lands on earth, this will be the only remaining sign of our civilisation
They’ll be massively disappointed by the lack of creativity, obviously
I don’t approve of it personally, but on the scale of vandalism - it is my microscopic.
We have huge corporations breaking the law or obeying the law whilst actively destroying the environment, making profits from morality-free arms sales and pursuing regime change to increase profit.
It just highlights yet again how the agendas of the rich and powerful are legalised and promoted by society and the media. Illegal activities by normal people, when they are most often low-scale and with limited impacts. This graffiti will cause more public outrage and attract greater penalties.
Were cave paintings acceptable at the time or is it only now we find them fascinating?
Seen Victorian era names chiselled into stone so they permanently damaged the rocks yet we find them quaint and interesting.
This? Meh
Why are you complaining about being burgled when murder exists? Get some perspective.
Selfish people doing selfish things. Been happening for 1000s of years and will continue to happen for 1000s of years…
I think it's very unlikely that the human race will be around for 1000s of years. 500 years tops, and the last 300 of that will be a dwindling band of survivors fighting over what little inhabitable land is left.
I feel the same as the OP.
Yeah fine, there’s some serious shit going on in the world & the two aren’t remotely comparable but like the OP said, who packs a rattle can for a walk in a National Park unless they’re gonna use it?
Banksy?
Why are you complaining about being burgled when murder exists? Get some perspective.
Probably one of the most ridiculous and tone deaf comparisons ever. No one has been hurt or had their safety compromised. I seriously think you need to get some perspective.
I abandoned the likes of Striding Edge and Crib Goch to the convoys of w&nk£rs years ago. If it'd been the Forcan Ridge I might've tutted a bit.
I feel the same as the OP.
Yeah fine, there’s some serious shit going on in the world & the two aren’t remotely comparable but like the OP said, who packs a rattle can for a walk in a National Park unless they’re gonna use it?
Banksy?
I do understand how you feel, I love creative street art, can support graffiti as a channel for protest, but this is a bit of a hit thing to do somewhere beautiful like this.
I guess I have difficulty with perspective then, I’m just feeling a bit despairing of things and seeing this just exacerbated my sense of gloom. Don’t think I’m complaining about being burgled either @binners relative to murderers wandering the streets, just sharing my frustrations that’s all.
Interesting. Who made @LakesWeather the arbiter or how we can and can’t enjoy the great outdoors? No permanent harm done. Actually made me chuckle a bit. Maybe if it wasn’t a one-off I’d upgrade my feelings from “meh”. At least whoever did it got a bit of fresh air and exercise. 😀
yeah, this is the worst thing. Bit dull innit?If you’re going to carry some spray cans for miles to tag a rock then we could at least expect a bit of wild style, or something
I guess I have difficulty with perspective then,
I’m not saying you are wrong, just that this will be seen by many as worse than corporate environmental vandalism. I’m sure you’re not keen on that either.
It’s a shit thing for someone to do, I agree. I just can’t get too annoyed by it.
Probably had a dog with them too
It used to be a thing to carve your name into rocks at popular tourist spots.
This graffiti (graffito?) doesn't represent a decline in society it represent an ongoing and probably intrinsic feature of human society.
I’m generally of the view of leave no trace where ever possible so I get equally depressed seeing crap strewn around the countryside and will do what I can to pick stuff up. And you’re right I’m not particularly keen on corporate environmental vandalism either.
As I said I’m normally quite a positive minded individual but just feeling off with things in general and this got to me.
If you’re going to do bad graffiti then I’m 99% sure the big graffiti guidebook says draw a penis. Yeah, it’s crap but nobody got hurt unless that rock is actually one of those things from The Never Ending Story. Feelings may be hurt if that is the case.
The comments on the Twitter thread cheered me up a bit though. I’ve not used Twitter but seems a bit Daily Mail
@tuboflard I can definitely empathise with what you are saying. In the current climate it doesn’t take much to upset people. The straw that broke the camels back and all that. Try not to let it bother you and see if you can find some humour in it
I’d have actually preferred a giant cock and jizz or tits to be honest.
I don't like it, but for me posting this was worse:
we’ll have this to look forward too
Now all I want to do it work out why that might happen and why someone would say something like that, while I spend the next month or two on an anxiety trip about it.
Yeah the green bits are terrible 😉
Up on the Cow and Calf rocks above Ilkley there's graffiti going back at least 100 years, the difference is it is beautifully chiseled into the rock - yes they chiseled a date too. A little longer lasting than a spray can.
If you think everything was better in the good old days then you don't have perspective.
Cam her thinking this would be a discussion about all the terrible things happening in the world and how we can stop it.then I saw it was about how a person put some paint on a rock 🙄
Probably had a dog with them too
Or a dog and a child, the bastards.
I’d have actually preferred a giant cock and jizz or tits to be honest.
Wouldn't we all.
Were cave paintings acceptable at the time or is it only now we find them fascinating?
Well, they were living in the caves, so indulging in some home decorating is perfectly acceptable.
Also, the pigments used were all naturally occurring or produced by the combustion of natural materials, so perfectly acceptable environmentally, they’re not using by-products of the modern petrochemical industry.
Plus, that’s a really shitty bit of tagging - if the muppet who did it is showing the best they can do, they really aught to give it up ‘cos I’d be ashamed of doing something as crap as that. 😣
Probably one of the most ridiculous and tone deaf comparisons ever. No one has been hurt or had their safety compromised. I seriously think you need to get some perspective.
"No one has been hurt or had their safety compromised" when they're burgled. But eh, alright, let me try again:
"Why are you complaining about vandalism when war exists? Get some perspective." Oh hey, you're right! That's totally different, what was I thinking?! Crimes are clearly totally fine so long as no-one gets hurt and worse crimes exist.
Come on guys, for ****'s sake really? Antisocial shitbags being antisocial shitbags and you're all jumping up to defend them. PM me your address and I'll come rattlecan a cock & balls across the front of your house, see if you feel the same way then.
This is some next level daily mail stuff here, i opened this up expecting to see some horrific event in Ukraine, or to read about how the Priti Patel has gone up a notch in her quest to become the embodiment of evil with the latest immigration laws she's planning, but it's a bit of paint on a rock, not exactly the rush to pushing the nuclear button
Been going on since the Romans carved their names on walls and stuff. It's wrong, but not the end of the world.
Well I'm with tuboflard, it's a bloody disgrace. But then I'm one of those weirdos who thinks discarded banana skins and orange peel are litter.
Come on guys, for ****’s sake really? Antisocial shitbags being antisocial shitbags and you’re all jumping up to defend them. PM me your address and I’ll come rattlecan a cock & balls across the front of your house, see if you feel the same way then
No one is saying that antisocial behaviour is defensible, just trying to put some sense of scale and suggesting precedent.
Despite the location of the graffiti not being on anyones home, I’ve dropped a message to you with my home address. You should be able to confirm with STW Towers that is indeed my address. I’ll happily provide you permission to access my name and address details for this purpose. I’ll also not pursue you for costs related to the removal of paint.
Well I’m with tuboflard, it’s a bloody disgrace. But then I’m one of those weirdos who thinks discarded banana skins and orange peel are litter.
Me too. Hate littering.
PM me your address and I’ll come rattlecan a cock & balls across the front of your house, see if you feel the same way then.
Bloody hell, someone just did. 🤣 Well played.
I'm sorely tempted to call your bluff.
EDIT: sorry, didn't see your post here before I replied!
The Inexorable Decline of Society.
Not because of some graffiti somewhere.
I agree that it is a deplorable act of vandalism and the fact that there is a war going on somewhere is completely irrelevant to me.
If someone was complaining about graffiti on a wall in a town in a war zone which had been mostly razed to the ground that would be a different issue.
This particular incident doesn't tell me much about the direction that society is taking. Most normal and responsible people wouldn't and don't cause vandalism like that. However some people aren't normal and responsible, some people have personality issues. Some people feel the need to behave in ways which they know are unacceptable.
This particular incident tells me very little about society other than not all humans behave in the same manner.
If you’re going to do bad graffiti then I’m 99% sure the big graffiti guidebook says draw a penis.
Having witnessed the carved penis depictions on the walls of Pompeii , this type of thing has been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years 😉
and if you don’t, you’ve deftly illustrated what’s [i]really[/i] causing the decline in modern society - lots of people happy to make a big noise but very few actually prepared to put any effort in when it comes down to it 😉I’m sorely tempted to call your bluff.
Having witnessed the carved penis depictions on the walls of Pompeii , this type of thing has been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years
2000+ years later I still draw a cock and balls on my wife’s car roof, when it is very frosty or snowy. She has developed a special brand of eye rolling to deal with it.
Been going on since the Romans carved their names on walls and stuff
Whilst I would default to shooting whichever idiot did this I would agree the history of idiots messing things up is pretty long. The vikings in particular had a habit of it with Maeshowe barrow in the Orkney islands and Hague Sophia in Istanbul both demonstrating what happens when you have bored idiots with knives/axes.
As for the Victorians and their approach of if you cant take the entire thing home with you why not take a piece the least said the better.
If you’re going to do bad graffiti then I’m 99% sure the big graffiti guidebook says draw a penis.
Whilst I would default to shooting whichever idiot did this
Bit harsh. I shudder to think what you would do to a thief…!
this type of thing has been going on for hundreds and hundreds of years 😉
Maes Howe on Orkney - a neolithic barrow - was vandalized by vikings with rude graffiti
and if you don’t, you’ve deftly illustrated what’s really causing the decline in modern society – lots of people happy to make a big noise but very few actually prepared to put any effort in when it comes down to it 😉
You're not helping!
The challenger is like a four hour round trip from me so it's not worth a special trip just to score Internet Points. They are however somewhere I'm likely to be passing at some point.
I might build a rock feature specially for your efforts…
was vandalized by vikings
What about all the vandalizing done by the Vandals?
Don't wish to sound racist but I think it's a Germanic thing.
I might build a rock feature specially for your efforts…
Rock 'n' balls?
😉
Have we done the thing about kids not knowing how to wear trousers properly?
It's arsehole behaviour.
Regrettably, there is much worse happening in the world.
So much of what is deemed irrelevant or minor reminds me of the 'broken windows' policing strategy adopted by Bratton and giuliani in NYC which was very successful before being dumped.
It’s no worse than banksy defacing a wall of some sort…
…depends how you look at it.
If I saw that out on a walk I’d definitely be mumbling obscenities about the see you next Tuesday…same as I would a banksy.
There is a music video that accompanies that graffiti..
I dont know how to post it but if someone wants to I can send it to them.
It is class.
The decline of civilisation isn't the fact that someone vandalised a rock. As others have said, it's been going on since we have had civilisation.
The decline of civilisation is the fact that someone does some vandalism, someone else takes a photo of it and publicises it on the internet, then various other people publish it other places on the internet so what should have been 20 minutes with a brush with some soap and water becomes a national catastrophe that clearly illustrates the decline of civilisation.
Then a bunch of people start discussing it for days on end.
So yes, the decline of civilisation is a problem and it's our fault 🙂
A bit of graffiti and war protest in one on the summit of Beinn an Dòthaidh this Sunday.
It used to be a thing to carve your name into rocks at popular tourist spots.
Or help in the building of cairns in wild places.
Neither are really acceptable but there are worse things to get extremely upset about. Littering is more of a bullet to the back of the neck affair in our household be it in the wilderness or our local recreation ground. We don't all want to live in a crap heap.
It certainly ruined an otherwise lovely day out on the fells.
Says the twitter in the OP. Honestly, I think they need to get out more. Presumably they wouldn't look twice at graffiti on a tube train or a bus-stop but when it's sprayed onto a rock that a just a handful of folks will see; it's ruining their day?
The replies are filled with people blaming this on "political correctness", and "this is what happens when you encourage people to come to the lakes" and "And Greta blames my generation for ruining the world" The underlying message of course being encouraging the "wrong" sort, because as we all know who's handiwork this is, right?
As others have said, if this was 2000 years old, it'd be the guide books, and folks would be complaining about the paths leading to it being too eroded.
Does it say "Daz"? Who was it that was asking for helvelyn route advice on here a day or so ago? Whatever, as long as they weren't dry tooling.
Presumably they wouldn’t look twice at graffiti on a tube train or a bus-stop
Nope, it'd still be a bloody eyesore.
As others have said, if this was 2000 years old
But it isn't, is it.
Some of the graffiti on trains is pretty good.
Its not a DBK.
Poor typography, back to the city for more practice needed.
Style 1 out of 5
Location 5 out of 5
😉
If it was a Banksy people would be fighting over it. It would turn up in an auction house next month.
But it isn’t, is it.
Nor will be really, as give it a couple of years of Lakeland weather it'll likely fade away to nothing.
Nope, it’d still be a bloody eyesore.
But no one is tweeting a photo of a bus-stop covered in tags and saying how awful it is, and how it's ruined their day I'm not saying this isn't grim, but there's clearly an un-said acceptance by the tweeter that the problem here is not that there's graffiti on a rock necessarily, but it's graffiti on a rock that is in this particular environment, not to put too finer point on it.; A middle class playground. That's what most of the tweet responses to this are tacitly admitting. If this makes you angry enough to tweet a response to it, then do something about graffiti but don't ignore it elsewhere only to be enraged by it on a rock that's frankly in the middle of nowhere
Up on the Cow and Calf rocks above Ilkley there’s graffiti going back at least 100 years, the difference is it is beautifully chiseled into the rock – yes they chiseled a date too. A little longer lasting than a spray can.
Agree, worse than spray graff. Whilst now the rock is mainly covered in chalk, the olders even chiseled holds to make climbs like the er Chiseler on Doris butress, named after the Ilkley chiseler, stuff that'd get you shot these days at least more than a severe tutting, chiseling holds by a quarry.
And then there's the bloody Stanza Stones, smug Armitage hubris carved into the rock for ninnys to come and search for, getting in the way of some okay riding.
Mind you in the really old days they went round chiseling swasticas into the rock
I think this is more a reflection on the disconnect between people and place. It is lack of education and care for our world, even more so when it is a wild place or place you have rarely (if ever) visited. We need more people to experience nature, the hills and places - and be guided in how to respect for and care for such places.
(The trouble maker in me says that the Lakes fells are utterly man-formed landscape these days, and how come a path up a hill visible for miles is OK, but graffiti is not...I place bet on adolescent having a go at some 'ownership of place' - which is a key theme in adolescent play...)
Also, we have history on rock 'art' in wild places...
Well I suppose one man's art is another man's scribble.
The fact that we are able to (Largely) discuss this in a civilised way despite very different viewpoints tell me that there is still a largely civilised society…
Has anyone seen that Stonehenge place? Some bunch of yobs have dumped a shit-ton of boulders somewhere they clearly have no business being.
Makes me seethe every time I drive past.
*no, I don't think the spray painting is ok but it's not quite a "decline of society" delineator either.
Some bunch of yobs have dumped a shit-ton of boulders somewhere they clearly have no business being.
Makes me seethe every time I drive past.
Yeah but where is their neolithic society today?
Perhaps the OP has a point after all.
Yeah but where is their neolithic society today?
Funnily enough it occurred to me yesterday wouldn't it be nice if Ancestry could track your lineage back to those times, or even earlier? So you could discover which French cave or African valley your forebears inhabited. Or even which great ape was your ancestor.
Maybe I should set up a scam DNS test site thingy.
So you could discover which French cave or African valley your forebears inhabited. Or even which great ape was your ancestor.
Your forebears, and mine, could trace their DNA to every rock shelter and African valley, which should make this:
Maybe I should set up a scam DNS test site thingy
very simple and not at all a scam.
Yeah but where is their neolithic society today?
We're living in it 🙂
Point is that this kind of thing is immortal, has always been and always will be. It's not good, but it is not indicative of a decline in society because it's always been there. If anything it's indicative of the opposite - the consistency of society!
The irony of people not getting irony!
In Gloucester Cathedral you can read the graffiti carved on Edward II's 1327 tomb by the schoolboys from King's School. They've also carved their names all over the outside of the cathedral too. God knows what the punishment was if you were caught...
Worlds oldest cock and balls graffiti??
https://twitter.com/HistoricEngland/status/1100727321819009024
