The two who pulled the heckler (Andrew, you're a sick old man!) out of the crowd have been arrested and charged.
Excellent news!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-63107556
To be fair, he is a sick old man!
"A report will be sent for the consideration of the procurator fiscal."
Unfortunately it doesn't always mean the prosecution will go ahead.
That's good.
I couldn't believe that they could get away with an assault live on TV, just because it involved the Royal family.
Winners, winners everywhere.
Oh no, wait, the other thing.
Just think it’s embarrassing all round, you have the idiot screaming to get attention and then the other two idiots trying to be have a go heroes, no injuries appear to have happened and the police officer looks like he handled it properly
That's the only bit of the funeral thing I've seen. It wasn't improved by a young Scotsman shouting.
I thought this thread was about a stolen Heckler that had been retrieved..
Just think it’s embarrassing all round, you have the idiot screaming to get attention and then the other two idiots trying to be have a go heroes
I see this very differently @argee:
1) A guy who's a suspected paedophile who has never been to court because he's effectively above the law gets heckled by an understanderbly outraged bystander - using very restrained language.
2) Two men commit physical assault on him. Cop drags him to the ground (rather than protecting his freedom to speak).
3) People who bizarely have "respect" for an undemocratic institution that is above the law would rather ignore the fact that they're effectively acting as apologists for un-charged paedophiles* whilst they're glad that someone expressing their outrage at that situation is dragged to the ground by the hob-nailed arm of the state.
*(suspected, of course. But then we'll never know - because he's above the law - unlike you and me, who'd have been extridited in a second. Cops breaking down front door, etc. etc.)
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A guy who’s a suspected paedophile
Wait, what?
Accessory to trafficking of a minor, yes. But paedophile, no. She was above the UK age of consent and present in the UK when the alleged incident took place. Regardless of the legalities of the circumstances that fact is irrefutable and doesn't make anyone a paedophile.
We have a thread full of this stuff... but's the allegations were not restricted to what happened in the UK.
1) A guy who’s a suspected paedophile
No he isn't.
2) Two men commit physical assault on him.
They appeared to drag him away from the crowd? Hard to tell from that footage, really.
3) People who bizarely have “respect” for
a family's dead granny.
an undemocratic institution
Let's not start this shit, hey. Squealing about loaded interpretations of "democracy" hasn't served us well in the last few years, has it.
And here we go again . . . every ****ing thread
And here we go again . . . every **** thread
Pretty much, but this one was ALWAYS going to go one way.
That said, I recall reading elsewhere on here that it was a cast iron certainty that the alleged assailants would NOT be charged. Looks like that narrative has been spoiled, but hey ho, maybe they'll get off
Hopefully the two idiots who assaulted someone exercising their democratic right to protest will be charged according to the letter of the law. As there were clearly many police officers in attendance, they had no cause to be physically assaulting him. And let's face it, these 'heroes' only grabbed him cos he's a skinny wee lad. 16 stone MMA fighter, I think they'd have not bothered. Cowards.
a family’s dead granny.
Meanwhile, many other ordinary people will be attending funerals for their grannies come this winter, as a result of hypothermia killing them. Remind me how much this funeral cost?
As for Andrew Windsor; he may not technically be a 'paedophile', but he is still a nasty sexual predator that targets vulnerable young women. And his mum paid his victim off (with our money) to keep her mouth shut. And she wasn't in that coffin anyway...
Im glad, I hope it goes to court. They had no right assaulting the man
They appeared to drag him away from the crowd? Hard to tell from that footage, really
Clear cut assault
Meanwhile, many other ordinary people will be attending funerals for their grannies come this winter, as a result of hypothermia killing them. Remind me how much this funeral cost?
Thats completely irrelevant to the Guy’s behavior
All parties involved sound like aresholes to me.
Thats completely irrelevant to the Guy’s behavior
How? We're facing the biggest cost of living crisis since WW2. This of major concern to many millions of people. Yet many millions of pounds of public money was spent on a lavish funeral for an unelected monarch. Who paid many millions of pounds of public money to silence the victim of her son's sexual abuse. I think his behaviour was completely relevant. Well done to that young man.
Meanwhile, many other ordinary people will be attending funerals for their grannies come this winter, as a result of hypothermia killing them. Remind me how much this funeral cost?
Quite right. The tasteful thing to do clearly would have been to run into the parade and take a shit on the coffin.
I don't really understand this logic, people being dismissive of bad things because worse things exist. If I told you I'd had my bike stolen would your reaction be "get over it, people in Ukraine are being bombed"?
As for Andrew Windsor; he may not technically be a ‘paedophile’, but he is still a nasty sexual predator that targets vulnerable young women.
He's not "technically not a paedophile," he is not a paedophile (as far as we know to date anyway, who knows what might come to light tomorrow). There are no technicalities to be had here, it's pretty well defined.
He is surely complicit in any number of shady goings-on though and I fully agree with the second half of your statement.
And his mum paid his victim off (with our money) to keep her mouth shut. And she wasn’t in that coffin anyway…
Giuffre could have refused the reported £12m payoff, of course.
I don’t really understand this logic, people being dismissive of bad things because worse things exist. If I told you I’d had my bike stolen would your reaction be “get over it, people in Ukraine are being bombed”?
Pretty much, yeah. I might lend you a bike until you could replace yours though, if you needed one. It's just a bike. Bikes sometimes get nicked. Meh.
Giuffre could have refused the reported £12m payoff, of course.
What's that got to do with anything?
How? We’re facing the biggest cost of living crisis since WW2.
None of which is the monarchy's fault (their inaction aside).
This of major concern to many millions of people.
They should've thought about that in the polling stations. Bit late now.
Yet many millions of pounds of public money was spent on a lavish funeral
"Millions" is pocket change in national expenditure terms.
for an unelected monarch.
Oh, we are going to do that then.
Did you vote for the prime minister? The members of the house of Lords? The civil service who actually do all the work? Pretty much anyone in power, in fact?
People keep throwing around the word "democracy" like a trump card in Internet Argument Whist. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Pretty much, yeah. I might lend you a bike until you could replace yours though, if you needed one. It’s just a bike. Bikes sometimes get nicked. Meh.
Do I really need to come up with a more emotive metaphor? People tend to get upset when I do that.
Giuffre could have refused the reported £12m payoff, of course.
What’s that got to do with anything?
Search me, you brought it up.
Does anyone else smell a banned returnee troll?
Just can't get the moderators these days. 😁
Was some kind of bylaw passed for the royal parades that banned heckling? If not, what law has he broken?
hmm..
Randy Andy has some front, he should have been shipped of to Rwanda, really. He could have just gone to the service rather than parading around with all his fake medals.
Young lad was out of order heckling at a funeral, but the royals invited that on themselves by parading the Nonce around the streets like nothing happened. The young lad was clearly assaulted, the agressors deserve to be punished - the people that don't like it (NAMBLA members?) could have easily just moved him out of the way, but it looked a bit more violent than that.
Simple as that really.
what law has he broken?
Breach of the peace.
Surprised you’ve never heard of it, it’s only been part of Scottish (and indeed English) law for about a thousand years
Was some kind of bylaw passed for the royal parades that banned heckling? If not, what law has he broken?
As above. Breach of the Peace. An offence at common law. To prove it the prosecutor would need to prove that his conduct would cause alarm or disturbance. I’d suggest that the fact that folk took it upon themselves to assault him was pretty conclusive 😉
Lol @Cougar:
Giuffre could have refused the reported £12m payoff, of course.
I'm sorry Ms Guiffre, you won't ever get him to trial because he's above the law so you'll have to make do with the British Taxpayer making a settlement because to do otherwise would be a continual reminder to the idiot British public who their bosses really are, and we can't have that.
Meanwhile, rest safe in the knowledge that some people in the UK would rather you forgo the money that you're due because, really, it's all your fault, and not the guy involved in you being trafficked as a minor. They're the sort of people who'd suck the royal choad down if they'd shot your mum. So small mercies eh?
This was necessary, basically. Still absolutely outrageous that they weren't arrested on the spot.
If not, what law has he broken?
I’m genuinely alarmed people find it surprising that you aren’t allowed to insult members of a funeral cortège.
If I randomly rocked up at the funeral of one of your loved ones, and started shouting abuse at you or your family would you a: call the police, b: knock the living crap out of me, or c: ignore me as I’ve done nothing wrong?
Cougar has spoken, why is anyone still arguing?
This was necessary, basically. Still absolutely outrageous that they weren’t arrested on the spot.
This 👆
Giuffre could have refused the reported £12m payoff, of course.
We've done this before.
This was necessary, basically. Still absolutely outrageous that they weren’t arrested on the spot.
And more of this I'm really not happy with the way policing is going but this is good
i thought that this was about a santa cruz heckler ebike
I’m genuinely alarmed people find it surprising that you aren’t allowed to insult members of a funeral cortège.
If I randomly rocked up at the funeral of one of your loved ones, and started shouting abuse at you or your family would you a: call the police, b: knock the living crap out of me, or c: ignore me as I’ve done nothing wrong?
If any of my relatives were a nonce, I would tell them to keep the **** away from the funeral, I wouldm't invite them to cosplay on the funeral cortège.
So this peace that was breached by a non sweary accusation - are those shouting out 'god save the king' being similarly prosecuted?
If any of my relatives were a nonce,
He’s not a nonce, a nonce is a paedophile, ie, had sex with an underaged person.
I doubt if he’ll have stooped to nonciness.
@CSB. If they shouted 'God save the king' at an IRA funeral in Northern Ireland they may well get charged. It all depends on the situation.
Semantics surely? A man in his 40s (at the time), hanging around with a pair of dodgy sex trafficking scumbags known for procuring very young women; all a bit noncey if you ask me. Nasty bastard.
He’s not a nonce, a nonce is a paedophile, ie, had sex with an underaged person.
That's not the definition of a paedophile.
It's like the STW highlights all rolled into one thread
Something, something sweat and pizza express Woking.
If I randomly rocked up at the funeral of one of your loved ones, and started shouting abuse at you or your family would you a: call the police, b: knock the living crap out of me, or c: ignore me as I’ve done nothing wrong?
this 👇
If any of my relatives were a nonce, I would tell them to keep the **** away from the funeral, I wouldm’t invite them to cosplay on the funeral cortège.
though for nonce i’d have said, publicly disgraced sexual predator
That’s not the definition of a paedophile.
In 16 years of working in the prison service, if a con was a nonce then he’d had sex with an underaged person. Maybe none of the cons I worked amongst knew what they were talking about.
Sexual predator yes, nonce no. Both bad.
I frequently work with nonces*, but you have to make sure you only use them once...
* in a cryptographic sense...
He’s not a nonce, a nonce is a paedophile, ie, had sex with an underaged person.
That’s not the definition of a paedophile.
A paedophile (or nonce if you like) is someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescents. As far as I know, Ms Guiffre was 17 when Andrew got his paws on her. This isn't arguing "semantics" or "technicalities," it's flat out incorrect.
And I appreciate that whoever it was who was LOLing on the previous page probably thinks I'm jumping to Andrew's defence. Nothing could be further from the truth, the man's a sleaze and he likely should be in jail. But by screaming "nonce!" every time the wind changes direction we dilute what the word means, it's crying wolf. It's the sort of wooly thinking that leads to angry mobs throwing petrol bombs at pediatricians.
Giuffre could have refused the reported £12m payoff, of course.
You have to wonder why she was so reluctant to go to the police...
Many victims are.
On second thoughts.
A paedophile (or nonce if you like) is someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescents. As far as I know, Ms Guiffre was 17 when Andrew got his paws on her. This isn’t arguing “semantics” or “technicalities,” it’s flat out incorrect.
A nonce may or may not be a paedophile. There is no suggestion that he's a paedophile, but there is a strong suggestion that he's a nonce.
In 16 years of working in the prison service, if a con was a nonce then he’d had sex with an underaged person
Which doesn't necessarily make them a paedophile, contrary to what you said.
So to summarise:
The Andrew formerly known as Prince may or may not be a paedophile depending on your definition. Whatever it is he may or may not have done(*) it’s stripped him of his royalness and cost someone a lot of money to keep his accuser quiet.
The lad who heckled him was either an ‘idiot screaming to get attention’ or someone whose actions should be applauded because of(*). He may or may not of broken a law.
‘The two men, both aged 34, have been arrested and charged in connection with assault’(BBC) have been arrested and charged with assault. They may or may not be prosecuted.
Does that pretty much cover it, or would you like to get your pedantacles(tm) into it a bit more Cougar?
Edit. A paedophile may or may not be defined as a nonce (according to someone!) I can’t keep up!
A nonce may or may not be a paedophile.
What? According to you and who else?
Jesus, you lot could have someone drowning in front of you, and instead you'd argue over whether it was a life preserver, life ring or life buoy you were supposed to chuck at 'em.
i was amazed he kept it to "sick old man"
"Nonce" is so much easier and more staisfying on the tongue (whether its true or not)
Jesus, you lot could have someone drowning in front of you, and instead you’d argue over whether it was a life preserver, life ring or life buoy you were supposed to chuck at ’em.
Not really, it's more an argument over whether it's a buoyancy aid or a turnip.
Just because you say it's true doesn't mean it actually is, unless we've suddenly decided trial by public opinion is the new standard.
A man in his 40s (at the time), hanging around with a pair of dodgy sex trafficking scumbags known for procuring very young women; all a bit noncey if you ask me.
See above. Didn't realise guilt could be established just by association.
I must be living in some airy fairy dreamland where guilt was established with evidence and criminal charges rather than just public opinion. Seems the other way is a massive time saver. Why did mob rule never catch on? 🧐
He's had his 15 minutes of fame (the heckler).
There is a time and place, I'm sure if he'd done this at any funeral around the country he would have taken a good beating and rightly so.
From what I've seen he was dragged to the floor, not sure it amounts to assault or GBH etc.
