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Southgate is a decent manager ...
Yes, by comparison to all other previous managers except 1966, he is the next best I guess to reach the final.
@bruneep I think everyone has accepted Italy were the better team but that doesn't mean we have to like them getting away with shithousery. If England had got away with doing that and won, the whole of Scotland would be in absolute uproar over it.
Radford was a penalty taker and he still missed. Agreed Grealish and Stirling should have stepped up. Leaving it to a 19 year old regardless how good he is, is lame. Because pressure.
Radford was a penalty taker and he still missed.
He was only on for few minutes ... what a gamble.
Hard luck England. Jeez, there are some sad **** in this place. FFS
fify
World Cup next ... LOL!
Argentina Vs Italy or England in the final ... LOL!
Italy were the better team everywhere but the final third. England s goal was tremendous. Italy's was almost an accident. So, to say they were the better side is true but.
So, to say they were the better side is true but.
... Italy Wins!
Fair play, the early goal messed England up more than Italy, i did think that with England's faster and fitter forwards they'd give Chiellini and Bonnuci a game, but the old heads just won that one, and they played Kane like a fiddle.
Think Southgate made a few errors, but he's got a young team and the world cup in 16 months, fix the midfield and they'll be ready for that, it's just not been right in the middle, Rice was decent, but they don't have that guy seeing a pass and making the pitch as wide or narrow as they need it.
Every tournament I have a cull of people on my Facebook friends list, based on scottish nobbers who support anyone but England every match, then practically spaff their load when england finally get beaten.
I 100% get not supporting England if you aren't English, but coming on to gloat afterwards, despite the fact your own team got knocked out weeks ago, marks you out as a bit of a tit IMO. And that's coming from a Scot..
Italy are certainly a lot easier on the eye than previous incarnations and TBF Mancini deserves a lot of credit for that. Still cynical when they need to be yes. Another ref might have sent off Jorginho tonight. Regardless, Southgate should have shifted up a gear in normal time or the first half of ET at the latest. Bringing on Rashford and Sancho knowing they’d have the weight of the nation on their shoulders with barely a kick of the ball is grossly unfair IMO.
This England side have some of the best attacking talent we’ve ever had. Southgate needs to play to their strengths and start applying pressure on decent teams. Rarely are we good enough at defending for long periods - many a tournament defeat has been the result of that.
Credit to the lads and staff for getting this far, but I think with a more positive mindset they would have picked up that trophy in normal time.
the whole of Scotland would be in absolute uproar
You gotta find something to make up for such a dismal performance in the group stages. Uproar it is.
It’s not going to do anyone any good to get hung up on the injustices. Neither Chielini nor Jorginho should have finished that game without a red card. I’m still bitter over that cheating bastard Henry - it never helps. 😂
Rarely are we good enough at defending for long periods
> checks how many goals England conceded this tournament <
I 100% get not supporting England if you aren’t English, but coming on to gloat afterwards, despite the fact your own team got knocked out weeks ago, marks you out as a bit of a tit IMO. And that’s coming from a Scot..
Unfortunately, the reasons they don't want England to win is rather obvious.
There are plenty of hatred towards England and this even comes from within ...
Can't stand Maguire, but England have had a solid defence, that's why i can't understand why England sat back so much and didn't try and risk more players into counters with such a solid defence, i think the only shot on target for England was the goal, that means they went over 120 minutes without a shot on target adding injury time in!
Southgates leadership failed at the last hurdle. Not in a million years would I have put a 19 yo up to take the fifth, crucial penalty, in a major comoetition, regardless of ability.
Yeah England needed to get a second goal when they were dominant. I think despite this team being much more mentally strong than previous England teams the occasion and crowd tension etc got to them a little.
Let's spare a thought for Saka and Rashford (and probably Sterling) who will no doubt get a barrage of racist abuse now 🙁
And brutal for Sancho to not really get a chance then get sent into the firing line like that.
Can’t stand Maguire, ...
He is alright but the whole team need more determination and guts.
Let’s spare a thought for Saka and Rashford (and probably Sterling) who will no doubt get a barrage of racist abuse now 🙁
Saka and Sterling played well through out the tournament.
Rashford ... taking the penalty ... nahhh ...
> checks how many goals England conceded this tournament <
I’m talking about when we’re up against genuinely good opposition. We sit back, invite pressure and finally cave in.
Nahhh … diving is an art and also entertaining.
At the end of the day it is the result that counts.
Yeah ‘cos fair play & good sportsmanship have no place in sport..
🙄
It’s not going to do anyone any good to get hung up on the injustices. Neither Chielini nor Jorginho should have finished that game without a red card. I’m still bitter over that cheating bastard Henry – it never helps. 😂
True. If you can't beat them, join them. England could do with a bit more if that in their game, if they want to win. They might lose their audience, though.
England have had a solid defence, that’s why i can’t understand why England sat back so much
Yes, I think that was an error. Too hard to change gears if you have to - which they did. Plus they had so many attacking options. Italy adjusted at the half, Kane wasn't troubling them anymore. Should have had him off, given them a different look. Sitting in 5-4-1 and thinking you can kill off 45 minutes, not a good idea. Even though Italy really didn't trouble Pickford, it just took a bit of bad luck.
Well, they had 2 hours to win it, after that it’s a lottery,
Shame he didn’t bring on Rashford and Sancho earlier . I thought the Italians had Kane sussed out pretty early on.
I’m not keen on all this passing backwards malarkey either, puts me right on edge watching it waiting for the opposition to snatch the ball.
And the Italian should have been sent off for dragging Sako down like that. Takes the pi55
Yeah ‘cos fair play & good sportsmanship have no place in sport..
Nobody cares if you win.
Well in Southgate. That defeat is on you you spineless d1ck.
Calm down dear - it’s only a game!
Nobody cares if you win.
I do as do others, but you plainly lack class. Each to their own.
Seems like. Lot of people are forgetting that your first 5 pen takers Re set at the beginning. Saka must have put his hand up and it will be character building (ps does he want to pop over to the righteous side of North London?).
I’m disappointed, I’m going to drown my sorrows with another American bourbon but this team have gone further than any other in the last 40 years I’ve been following them and I’ll carry on in 2022 ecaize that’s what we do.
I do as do others, but you plainly lack class. Each to their own.
Yes, but they are still a strong football nation whether class or not. They just need the extra edge to differentiate themselves, so being good at play acting gives them the edge.
Without question the better side - but if you have to use the ‘dark arts’ to win it cheapens your achievement.
ctk
Full MemberBringing on Rashford and Sancho so late to take pens was a mistake. Ideally they could have done with a few more mins.
Southgate basically committed totally to the 120 minutes, he wanted to keep the players on for that til the death. I guess if he'd brought his subs on earlier and Italy had cut through and scored folk'd be saying the opposite "why start making subs for penalties when you never get there"
Can't really fault the choice of players for the kicks but putting Saka up last was a mistake. Maybe the right choice for right then in the shootout, but brutal 2 seconds after. You want an old hard head there.
Without question the better side – but if you have to use the ‘dark arts’ to win it cheapens your achievement.
On the contrary because they have delivered the result. The nation is in joy, yes, they might be a bit naughty but winning is better than losing.
Enough with the dark arts, the referee chose to keep the red card in his pocket, that's all.
Not sure why Saka was getting all the attention; Rashford's fannying about on the penalty spot was ridiculous.
Rashford’s fannying about on the penalty spot was ridiculous
Sent the keeper the wrong way though, just his finish let him down.
On the contrary because they have delivered the result. The nation is in joy, yes, they might be a bit naughty but winning is better than losing.
Says one hell of a lot about you as a person if you applaud cheats..
Sent the keeper the wrong way though, just his finish let him down.
Don’t kid yourself- it was a shit penalty.
Grealish should have had a pen
NB they are not beating up Italians there but people breaking in to Wembley without tickets. Horrible behaviour anyway.
Nobody cares if you win.
I do. For most of my life England have been an embarrassment. With the reality never living up to hype. The occasional game where it all came together, but generally just disappointment. Not at the result, but the nature of the play and absence of attractive football.
This team have been different. A pleasure to watch attractive football. Italy were the better team. But I’ve enjoyed watching England play. And that’s been a welcome change.
Isn’t that vid of fans without tickets breaking into the ground?
Says one hell of a lot about you as a person if you applaud cheats..
It's football. People want result and they only remember good things about winning.
Enough with the dark arts, the referee chose to keep the red card in his pocket, that’s all.
Yes, if the referee and VAR cannot detect them then it is an art.
I do. For most of my life England have been an embarrassment.
If the ref and VAR say good. It's good.
Embarrassment? That's because you have not won. That's because there is not enough determination.
When you see it from behind the goal, Rashford's eyes and body language were still saying "right" even as he kicked it left. Basically his bluff was so good he fooled himself. But if he'd just hit it that tiny bit different it'd have been pretty much unsavable and a masterclass in fooling a keeper. Funny old game.
And remember, nobody stands up in a shootout and freestyles it, it's all coached and practiced.
England may have lost the match but some of the fans gave the Italians a beating
(NSFW)
They don't think the Asian lad is Italian, the call him a 'f---n p--i' whilst kicking & beating him on the ground
Who the hell gives the deciding penalty to a 19 year old?
thing is - if someone else had scored it, every kick after that would also have been a decider... ...so when would you have played him?
but Southgate’s conservatism let them back into it.
I love the England support - it's always the manager's fault! It can't just be they you were the second best team.
He was only on for few minutes … what a gamble.
he had three choices though:
- bring on the penalty takers early, weakening the defence; risk another goal in extra time and not making it to penalties. The fans would crucify him for giving up early and trying to win a penalty shoot out they hadn't yet reached rather than win the match.
- leave them on the bench to maximise chance of winning before the end of extra time. Some defender misses a penalty and the fans would crucify him for not subbing the penalty takers on.
- leave it as late as possible and sub them just before the penalties - then the fans crucify him for not getting them on earlier to get used to the ball/grass/crowd.
I think we can conclude from this that the one job nobody in the country nobody would actually want is being England manager, despite millions of people shouting at their tellys pretending they are actually the manager.
At 3 million a year there is some incentive.
It's gone to Rome
It's gone to Rome
Football's gone to Rome
It's gone to Rome
It's gone to Rome
The danger of pre-emptive songs.
Racist abuse of England players Marcus Rashford, Jadon Sancho & Bukayo Saka condemned by FA
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57800431
Having watched some of the pre & post match spectator footage I can’t see us hosting another major tournament in my lifetime. Truly horrendous behaviour. What a bunch of morons.
Consider me totally indifferent. It’s just a sodding game, nobody died. 🙄
FA condemns racist abuse of England players on social media after Euro final
I do find it a terrible shame that this decent bunch of footballers and a thoughtful manager are so disliked up here ( and all over europe) because of the antics of English politicians, media and their so called "fans" and the xenophobic jingoism that those politicians, media and "fans" follow
I have put "fans" in inverted commas because I know not all are like that but by 'eck is really really annoying
I'm not sure England currently deserve their football team.
I'm not sure that's true TJ. I have a lot of respect for the England team and the stance they've taken against the racists. Imagine being those players that missed penalties and they're not just kicking themselves for missing but thinking about the abuse they're going to get on social media.
Thats sort of my point steven. Its the antics of the politicians media and "fans" that get the england football team hated so much. Its not what the players have done. Some of us like yo can disassociate the two but many cannot
Its stuff like the preview in the guardian that started off talking about 1966. Get over it - thats more than 50 years ago
Consider me totally indifferent. It’s just a sodding game, nobody died. 🙄
I get that, and I have the utmost sympathy for those whose loved ones have died.
But no-one condemned the dusty in here posters when some bloke we've never met managed to ride his bike marginally faster than some other blokes - which was no great surprise anyway as he's consistently shown he can do that 30-odd times before. And I include myself in the lump in the throat brigade.
Because it's not life and death but there is something about it that defies logic, of course it's not important, apart from the fact that it really is totally important in a way that can't be explained. If you don't 'get it' and can be really dispassionate about it then I envy you today because you aren't feeling as low as those that do. But would I swap it for those moments when you dare to dream, or the feeling when the front man pulls off and a streak of green truly becomes the GOAT. Nope, today is the price you pay for the dust.
I’m not sure England currently deserve their football team.
This + 1
Honestly - the state of Trafalgar Square and London this morning was utterly, utterly vile. Christ only knows what it was like straight after everyone had gone home but at 5:30am today it was too disgusting for words. Piles of glass, vomit, trash, beer cans etc - all along the front of the National they'd had great fun destroying the bushes and lawns - the destruction carried all the way across the square and the poor street teams were still struggling up through St James area.
The whole lot can get in the f*cking bin. The team is a shining beacon next to the sorry bunch of flag-shagging idiots.
Urgh. I despair.
Theotherjonv
Its really weird how wound up we get about sport. I actually get adrenaline shakes watching Edinburgh and Scotland play rugby! totally disproportionate response
Well has BoJo says of the racist abuse of England players after their defeat to Italy in the final, saying those responsible should be "ashamed of themselves".
Just ashamed? Why not come out and say they will be prosecuted? Or is it too much for a racist to condemn other racists
How long before a tory politician blames the team for being too “woke” or too brown?
There will have been memes circulating highlighting the skin colour mix of those who scored their penalties and those who missed within about five seconds of Saka missing. The worrying thing is that more people will give that sort of stuff credence than ten years ago.
Bruneep - the abuse that Johnson started and encouraged?
Well that'll make them feel a whole load worse about themselves, being told to feel ashamed by a man with no sense of shame.
@TJ. I know. Totally irrational.
But when people say 'it's just a game' - of course they're right but if you don't recognise how much it means to some people then telling us it's only a game and to get over it denies allowing us to be who we are.
Just say 'I don't get it, but I know you must be heartbroken this morning. I'm sorry you feel that way'.
Hopefully this multi-country tournament format gets in the sea, ridiculous that Scotland, England etc had home games, while the Welsh amongst other countries were planes, trains and automobiles.
I don't think the concept is bad if they were reasonably close together in neighbouring countries, it's the fact that there were games in Baku (the most ridiculous one), London, Rome, Budapest etc
I know not all are like that
Mate, that makes it sound like most fans are arseholes with just a few decent folk. When really it's the other way round.
Glad England lost, the country didn't deserve the win.
If most fans are good decent then why haven't they sorted out the arseholes. Because they refuse to sacrifice to stop the rot.
If most fans are good decent then why haven’t they sorted out the arseholes.
The kind of people who abuse Danish families and point laser pointers at players don't care what 'decent' fans think. In fact they probably relish winding them up and take a weird pride in being so loathed. Football doesn't exist in a vacuum though and it's as much a society problem as a football problem.
25 or more years ago the scotland fans had an equally bad reputation as the england ones. somehow they became self policing and if a scotland fan starts misbehaving then other fans will stop them.
Welshman and really like this England team. Sad for the players. Racist/ thug like bell end fans can all **** off.
Italy also have their share of racist thug like bell end fans.
I’m not sure England currently deserve their football team.
+1.
The kind of people who abuse Danish families and point laser pointers at players don’t care what ‘decent’ fans think. In fact they probably relish winding them up and take a weird pride in being so loathed.
Indeed - most likely relishing in the infamy.
@rseholes basically.
Italy also have their share of racist thug like bell end fans.
Italian football thugs are way worse than what we have over here.
Italian racism is also a lot worse than in the UK. It's not just sections, it's ingrained.
Meh, you get this after every tournament, the fact is if England had managed a counter after being 1-0 up and went 2-0 up it would have been a great day for England, it didn't Italy didn't sink, they worked well into the counter attacking style England set up, they didn't tire either, it's all if's and but's now. At the end of the game i was thinking Southgate was more Mourinho than Mourinho in this game, but to be fair, after going 1-0 up so early it was a strategy that could have worked.
Penalty wise, i just look at Donnarumma and think 'i have to send him the wrong way or hit the corner', he's a massive goalie, after they got through the previous penalty shootout as well they had that little bit of experience as well, remember they missed two penalties as well, and they'd subbed their front 3 attackers during the game.
End of the day though, Italy played better, not sure whether pressure got to England, Kane wasn't given anything by Chiellini and Bonnuci, but Sterling and Mount never took advantage of their focus on Kane, thought Rice and Phillips did well enough in the middle, but neither of them really pick a pass that much, they're runners and like to move and pass.
They just need to build on this though, coming from a Scotsman i didn't get any joy from seeing England fail, but can't really rip them apart, it was a final and a youngish team.
I do find it a terrible shame that this decent bunch of footballers and a thoughtful manager are so disliked up here ( and all over europe) because of the antics of English politicians, media and their so called “fans” and the xenophobic jingoism that those politicians, media and “fans” follow
You might want to look at your own comments and reactions before criticising people who lump all the English in together?
25 or more years ago the scotland fans had an equally bad reputation as the england ones.
Rubbish.
I'm 46, all through my childhood as a fitba fan, England fans were awful, to be quite honest they're nowhere near as bad as they were in the 80's and early 90's, as far as Scotland fans go, I don't ever recall a hooligan elememt at any of our matches, drunken tomfoolery absolutely, but casuals and all that jazz? not a bit of it.
And how does that comment lump all the english together? I even said " not all fans are like this"
Italian football thugs are way worse than what we have over here.
Italian racism is also a lot worse than in the UK. It’s not just sections, it’s ingrained.
I agree. Is it relevant though?
Does this absolve us from having to worry about our own version?
Presumably the Asian man who was being violently kicked and abused whilst he lay on the ground was an England fan too. Most England yobs probably admire their Italian counterparts.
The tacit encouragement from populist politicians does not help.