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[Closed] The end of STW life as we know it? (Woodburners are bad content)

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We have one, we live in the middle of nowhere, and it’s that or fire up the oil boiler when it’s cold in an afternoon.

If someone can point me in the direction of more efficient and cost effective ways of heating and insulating a two hundred year old stone house that’s not on the gas main, I’m all ears.

I don't think houses such as yours are the problem IHN. It's those that fit them to newer houses such as the dozen or so already installed into the 2 year old detached houses built near me. As somebody has already said its those that fit them for fashion reasons so they can claim a certain lifestyle that need to be regulated.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 7:50 pm
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@robola they can enforce under different regulations. In some sectors they are far from toothless and you can see the impact. E.g.

https://media.sepa.org.uk/media-releases/2021/clear-pathway-to-compliance-for-mossmorran-as-watchdog-strengthens-regulation-monitoring-of-fife-sites.aspx


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 7:54 pm
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No, it’s a hell of a lot better

In the long term. We need to cut carbon in the short term.

You've misunderstood, I'm saying wood is a hell of a lot better than gas in terms of CO2, not just a bit better.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 7:56 pm
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To be fair, they certainly ain't toothless in terms of our industry, far from it.

But they dont seem to give a flying **** about farm run off and such 'small issues' locally.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 7:58 pm
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@nobeerinthefridge what industry is that?

@tomd I'm well aware of that statement. Great that noise issues are being addressed.
But the nature of this facility is that if it needs to shut down it will. When it does they will burn the raw material.

"Next month’s £140m investment programme by ExxonMobil, the installation of noise reducing flare tip followed by a new enclosed ground flare in 2022 are major milestones to compliance which will mean less flaring and less impact on communities on the occasions flaring is required in the future."

A new ground flaring system just means it will be less audible and visible, not that they will burn less gas.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 8:03 pm
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Our multi fuel stove was fitted 13 years ago to replace an open fire. Since then many houses on our estate have had them fitted. Being in a 'smokeless zone' our stove had to comply to Hetas regulations, however next door and other neighbours have not done this. On a very cold winter night it's not good waking around the area. We've decided to stop* using it, even though our wood is well seasoned and we know how to properly use the thing.

* Had to once a few weeks ago when the boiler broke and we had no heating.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 9:16 pm
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Well this thread has gone as expected.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 9:21 pm
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Being in a ‘smokeless zone’ our stove had to comply to Hetas regulations,

What are hetas regulations.

They are a regulatory body enforcing standards set by others.

For smokeless that will be defra approved

For fitting it'll be building standards (all stoves need to be fitted to those)


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 9:23 pm
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You’ve misunderstood, I’m saying wood is a hell of a lot better than gas in terms of CO2, not just a bit better.

No, I haven't misunderstood. It's better in the long term, which is problematic. I appreciate that it's easier to modify your beliefs to suit your behaviour.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 9:28 pm
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It’s better in the long term

Gas or wood in your opinion? A simple answer not more riddles.

IMO renewed wood is better than gas in terms of CO2 whatever the time period. The greenhousing of the planet is happening now and not going away any time soon.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 9:34 pm
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I believe the answer is to sit in your cave cold and in the dark.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 9:37 pm
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The greenhousing of the planet is happening now and not going away any time soon.

Precisely my point.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 9:37 pm
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Does anyone know how wood pellet heating systems fair from a particulates point of view?

We have a 35year old multifuel stove for primary heating and 35year old gas combi boiler that need replacing in the next year or so and want to get it right long term.


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 10:16 pm
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We've got 2 stoves in our old house in a village with mains gas.
Good thing I've got plenty of firewood for when the mob come to burn me 😂😂😂😉


 
Posted : 17/12/2021 10:59 pm
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/17/how-much-indoor-air-pollution-do-we-produce-when-we-take-a-shower

I revise my earlier statement to

Sit in your cold cave in the dark smelling bad.

It's the only way for humanity to be safe.


 
Posted : 18/12/2021 9:06 am
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