[Closed] The "Edinburgh Defence"

What a crap thread.

Only joking.

I imagine he's doing just fine, I'd rather take 100's of T-J's than put up with some of the other ignorant ****wits who have filled the void on the forum.

Like you somafunk?

Only joking somafunk.

Lolz at DD

Only joking DD.

You know how I insinuated you were a gobshite on the rugby thread Tom B?

I was only joking.

I personally think it was just another way that the forum and the mods let the bullies bully him.
It was done to mock him

He was many things but he was sincere and he brought something to the table.

he is doing fine
Not joking on either point.

Damn it….DD has outed me - you arguing eh?…….. 😀

Yeah, come on if you think you're ****ing hard enough. 😮

Only joking.

I'd echo the points already made; TJ is an all round good fella. Baiting him became an ugly 'sport'...

Baiting him became an ugly 'sport'...

There are some masters on here.

This is no joke!

As TJ pointed out himself on many an occasion, he wouldn't, or couldn't "let it lie"

Yes he was baited on occasion, but no more than any other 'big hitters' on here who set themselves up for it. He's a adult and he knew what he was doing.

being opinionated doesn't get you banned

indeed it is having the wrong opinion

Humph!….well that fizzled out rather quickly didn't it?, i was all set up for a proper rumble but i just can't be arsed anymore….ho-hum.

only joking

You're joking aren't you? 😯

I thought the bullying of TJ was great..

It made it really easy to spot the messed up, spiteful and vindictive little herberts of the forum that would clamour together in a baying pack, wagging their tales furiously and crawling over one another to lick each others balls

Disagree TJ was bullied badly and the main culprit IMO is still here yeah tha would be you Al.

yunki now im trying to picture that in my head and i now cannot sleep. i always slope off when things get tasty never having a proper education i normally say fxxkxxt and walk off but TJ would stay there till the end death by honour and all that.

I liked TJ. Being able to be so unremittingly positive about Scottish rugby was amazing to me.

he was recently banned from a rugby forum for arguing 8)

he cannot help himself and he knows it but folk did goad him

That was the sort of bullying he got

Well played

/prune

Do adults really take the Internet and what random strangers who have a different opinion say on it that seriously? To the extent that they are being bullied? I can understand the weak minded taking things to heart or the vulnerable and needy perhaps being offended by bad language/sexism/racism but for somebody to actually get wound up that it actually affects their day to day lives? 😯

I did have an now banned STW member mail me once as he took umbrage at something I posted (didn't read it just junked it) I guess this Internet lark is serious bizness

So now it looks like junkyard is having a go at himself.

Noice.

MrSmith - Member

Do adults really take the Internet and what random strangers who have a different opinion say on it that seriously? To the extent that they are being bullied?

Well yes. Because, you know, the internet is full of real people. Not susprisingly, the people who're the biggest ****s on the internet are also the people who're best at forgetting they're dealing with real people.

I received a few messages from TJ a while ago. He's seems a decent bloke but he let the bullies goad him; he has strong views (which I admit I generally share).

I personally think the use of the phrase "the Edinburgh defence" is somewhat cowardly now as you're taking a pop at someone who cannot defend themselves. 😕

I guess this Internet lark is serious bizness

Yeah it noticed that, they tend to infer that the 'abuser' doesn't have an active life beyond the keyboard or is not what they say they are. I guess that is pretty tragic.

I have always thought that those who use therm "Edinburgh Defence" misunderstood TJ.

TJ enjoyed humour, he just wasn't particularly good at it, and because he was often rather serious when discussing issues close to his heart people often misunderstood him to be serious when he was actually joking.

I recall occasions when it was clear to me that TJ was only joking but many took him as being serious. Unfortunately TJ usually reacted by pointing out that he had been joking, something which I personally would only do in extreme circumstance - it amusing me greatly when people assume I'm being serious, and more so the more ridiculous it is.

TJ's unfortunate need to explain his own jokes and that he was joking was interpreted by many as him back-tracking and making false claims.

He never appreciated that taking the piss works best when people take you seriously.

[quote=ernie_lynch ]I recall occasions when it was clear to me that TJ was only joking but many took him as being serious. The irony is that his "fall out" with cynic-al was because he couldn't recognise this same behaviour in others. 😆

He was many things but he was sincere and he brought something to the table

x 1000

Principled and articulate whether you agreed with him or not, STW is the worse for his absence.

Our loss is his gain

Don't agree Onion/druidh, Al was a dick. Not any more, but he definitely came across like that in the Aziz/fred/elfin days.

Only Joking 🙂

Just another way of trying to haul your way out of the hole you are digging by continuing to argue for no real good reason.

As always the friends of TJ/ain't in crap in here now lot have turned up.

Unrelated to TJ, I do find the "STW is crap" moaners mystifying. Why kee P coming here, never mind posting, if it's so shite?

People still talking about the "good ol' bad ol' days"?
Grim.

Fwiw, some of the aforementioned folk knew each other in the real world. Which is a bit different.

For those wondering how TJ is faring in real life, his dogged unwillingness to yield is proving extremely useful against Edinburgh Council with its ongoing Property Repairs scandal. The level of incompetence and fraud he (and his building co-owners) have been subjected to is breathtaking, and his refusal to give even an inch in the past few years will ultimately be of great benefit to the rest of the people affected. Me included. I have nothing but respect for the man.

Well I could write an essay on this!

The Edinburgh "defence" was no such thing - TJ and I would post stuff up as a laugh not realising folk would take it seriously.

I can accept I was a knob, but the my arguing with TJ was borne of my frustration at him (as his of me I expect).

Yeah but you did goad him mercylessly even when he asked you to stop.

you did al and you knew what you were doing where as TJ could not stop himself

Big difference IMHO though neither is admirable.
FWIW i never had an issue with either of you.

[i]you did al and you knew what you were doing where as TJ could not stop himself[/i]

You make it sound as if TJ had no choice in the matter. He routinely made it clear on here that he could not 'not reply' he acknowledged on more than one occasion that he got a ban for this alone...

If TJ had learned to walk away, he'd still be on the forum now

Given he did not stop and got banned for it I am not sure what your point is tbh.
He got warned , he could not stop, he got banned Does that sound like someone who could stop?
I still think there was no malice from him on here [ unlike those who went for him] and i can forgive him his faults.

So if someone is deliberately winding you up you should walk away?

Why kee P coming here, never mind posting, if it's so shite?

My point Junky is that he knew what he did and knew the consequences of doing it and to suggest somehow that he 'couldn't help it' removes some of his own responsibility from what happened to him. As he acknowledged.

Was he goaded? Yes he was. Was he misunderstood? Quite possibly. Did he make a useful contribution to the forum? Yes he did. Did he always have to have the last word on everything he argued about? Absolutely.

I miss his wise insight into many subjects, I don't miss the endless dreary repetitive mind numbing ego stroking posting-****athons that he indulged in sometimes just to win an argument against some people

nickc - Member

I don't miss the endless dreary repetitive mind numbing ego stroking posting-****athons

Neither do I- strikes me that we have more of those now than ever before.

to suggest somehow that he 'couldn't help it' removes some of his own responsibility from what happened to him

Neither do I- strikes me that we have more of those now than ever before

Seems like tj and Al just needed their own room.

Anyway only joking

I'm sad that I never got to hear what TJ thought about helmets.

strikes me that we have more of those now than ever before.

We do still have debates which arguably can go on for too long, but they're rarely as nasty and poisonous as they used to me (and no-one's forcing you to read them). I firmly believe that the forum is a better place for the removal of a few of the more toxic members of our little society.

Personally I don't number TJ amongst those. For whatever failings he may have had, he could be a positive contributor and often brought something useful to the table. Unfortunately AIUI he did a rather comprehensive job of burning his bridges so it's unlikely he'll be back any time soon.

Incidentally,

It's been largely civil so far, but I'd remind everyone that it's not particularly fair (or pleasant) to be slag off someone who is unable to reply. So, please continue to play nicely.

Ta.

I can speak for myself.

TJ

(only joking)

..he did a rather comprehensive job of burning his bridges so it's unlikely he'll be back any time soon.

That complete news to me. I have always assumed that he was expected to sneak back in, like Z-11 has, and that the only reason he hasn't is that sneaking back in under a different username isn't his style.

So what did he do that was so terrible that he 'comprehensively burnt his own bridges' ffs ?

I have to say I'm a little taken aback by that comment.

I know you're going to say that moderation issues aren't up for discussion but that doesn't explain why you felt the need to claim that he "did a rather comprehensive job of burning his bridges" if moderation isn't a topic of discussion.

Wonder how the old chap is doing these days?

Doing his bit for the Yes campaign it seems, on FB - as usual, he knows for absolutely positively certain that Yes is the right vote and anyone who thinks otherwise is a poor misguided deluded fool 🙂

And that attitude was the problem on here - sometimes you have to just say 'ok well I don't agree but whatever'.

But yes, decent bloke otherwise, and knowledgeable except when it comes to MTB suspension tuning (and I only put that in cos I'm expecting him to read it 😉 )

I know you're going to say that moderation issues aren't up for discussion but that doesn't explain...

Too bad.

The only point I was making was that the "Bring Back TJ" campaign fires up periodically and the simple answer is "it's not that simple." I only mention it at all because it I get the impression that a number of people feel that TJ's ban is excessive. I can't go into details I'm afraid so you're just going to have to trust me. Or, y'know, lump it.

Maybe it’s for the best he’s found other outlets for his angst because despite all this ‘Edinburg defence’ ‘i was just teasing’ it’s obvious he took arguing on the internet very seriously and was one of those people who couldn’t live without the conflict, and thrives on it. for such a supposedly intelligent man i’m surprised he hasn’t realised that on the internet:

nobody cares.
nobody ever changes their mind no matter how many times you tell them they are wrong.
getting wound up is an exercise in futility.
tandems aint cool.

Woah there Smith, Tandems are very cool 😆

Or, y'know, lump it.

You've changed.

😥

Nah, I was always a git.

[i]You've changed.[/i]

He's not got the Neil Gaiman costume on any more.

Nah, it's Amanda Palmer today.

The only point I was making was ....

No it wasn't the only point you were making. You alleged that he had comprehensively burnt his bridges, which suggests that he behaved in an exceptionally unacceptable manner - most people are allowed back under new usernames without much fuss.

As you say it's unfair to criticise someone when they are unable to defend themselves, when I challenge whether he really did behave as badly as you suggest your response is "Too bad" and "lump it", maybe you can see some sort of contradiction there.

Nah, I was always a git.

The greatest trick that Cougar ever pulled, was convincing the world he wasn't a git...

Nah, it's Amanda Palmer today.

Ernie, I'm not playing this game. You can infer, suggest and allude all you like, or you can accept my clarification despite my initial wording. It's up to you, and I don't really care either way.

TJ made sure that he wouldn't be invited back, and that's the long and short of it I'm afraid. I'm not saying this to slag him off behind his back, on the whole I liked the guy and believe I've already made my personal views on him clear.

The greatest trick that Cougar ever pulled, was convincing the world he wasn't a git...

(-: I don't think I was ever that successful...

I firmly believe that the forum is a better place for the removal of a few of the more toxic members of our little society.

Personally I don't number TJ amongst those.

Agreed on both counts we could not have do some vitriolic personal stuff before just for the lolz [ myself included there to be clear]

Ernie , if you had an e-mail address public, I am sure he would e-mail you and explain if I asked]

TJ knows what he did and it was something after the ban

He will not sneak back like others do
I have no idea if this would be allowed.

For clarity I only know TJ's side of the story but it seems to be fairly honest and it is the kind of thing you can imagine TJ doing ,it sort of sums him up

He wont be back IMHO

What the hell is it about TJ? why can't you lot get over him?
He's even mentioned in the thread about toast ffs

Toastem Jeremy?

Meh. He brought some good stuff and some really bad stuff and some really tedious stuff to STW. I can't say I'd be upset if he was allowed back or if he is never allowed back. There's other people I've found far more offensive who have reappeared in several guises over the years.

This thread is one big joke.

Only joking.

Or am I...?

What the hell is it about TJ? why can't you lot get over him? He's even mentioned in the thread about toast ffs

Not clue bud, but people seem to be getting quite het up about it. A concise summary for the uninitiated?

TJ goes into orbit? 🙂