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s not the same though – that flag is about one thing and one thing only. It’s not representative of anything else.
Now, 1861, or somewhere in-between? What is the one thing. It's a genuine question,not a piss take
Battle Flag of the Confederacy.
History. Learn some
The ANV only become the battle flag of the confederacy in 1904. Before that there were many. The Confederate flag was also the battle flag of many of the armies of the confederacy in 1861 but quickly fell out of favour because in battle it too closely resembled the Unions take on the stars and bars.
Also the flag in your picture is oblong not square and was therefore never the battle flag of the confederacy.
History. Learn some. Not just from Wikipedia.
Well someone climbed the lamp post outside my house last night and hung a huge Union flag from it. Its aimed at catholics because of the celtic ranger game but should nicely offend the two Asian families living here as well so double hit.
How to use a flag offensively 101.
Not sure it should be banned though
should nicely offend the two Asian families living here as well so double hit.
Are they catholics as well?
The street was historically predominantly Catholic thanks to the council having loads of Catholic councilors, still a lot here and it was only a few years ago the orange flute band were stopped from pausing outside to attempt to burst their drum.
These Imbiciles still live amongst us unfortunately.
still a lot here
That’s because we breed like rabbits and are a much better ****
Lol the first part is true for sure haha.
I'm sure the second improved once I gave Catholicism up and shrugged off the guilt 😅😅😅
Who on earth is going to associate some bloke walking about a little village in the UK with a US based far right (allegedly) political group because he has a Fred Perry on ?
Last year? No-one much. This year? Hmm, not sure if you’re aware but there was an attempted insurrection and overthrow of a legitimately elected US president you may have caught something about this on the news in January.
considering the Proud Boys were fairly high profile in the ‘action’ and are likely to feature in prosecution cases in the coming months to a fair chance their profile will rise in the general public. If you are suddenly sporting an ‘affiliated’ look some might think that it’s a deliberate act and that you’re, well, you know, affiliated...
if a couple of randoms on a bike forum are twisting your melons I’m not sure you’ve thought this through properly for the real world.
Edit: plus, I wonder what the Asian families might think, especially considering the Union Flags (and recent events in Atlanta).
Would have thought that the FP 'look' was more linked to football casual thug types in this country than Proud Boys.
I’d say a lot of people bought FP’s to match their cut out wiggo sidies back in 2012.
I bought one (ironically the black and yellow one) but I avoided the ‘RAF’ one as I didn’t (double irony) want to be associated with pro cyclist dopers.
Sorry don't agree with you at all. No one in the actual real world cares if you wear a fred perry.
Maybe in STW land but nowhere else.
As for the condescension, says it all really.
I wore Fred Perry kit at school because it was a sportswear brand and the stuff I had to wear for gym was it. We had mods then (I'm not that old...) but I am guessing the association with Fred Perry kit must have come later when the brand branched out into fashion wear.
These brand associations are quite fleeting. If you habitually wear something, then it also means you. Do you stop or carry on in order to preserve your meaning for the symbol? There can be several competing meanings, but if you don't take part in the competition, you will lose. If you don't support the Proud boys, one way of demonstrating that is by diluting their brand identity. If everyone wore the shirt, it would be completely undermined. If they are such cheapskates that they cannot design their own uniform and keep the IP in it, it is no more than they deserve.
I wore Fred Perry's as a rude boy in late 70s and I still wear one now and again today. I am well aware of the proud boys but I hadn't spotted the Fred Perry link. As the general public are not really aware of anything then I am not too concerned about continuing to wear one.
Let’s be clear, this is not about FP’s per se.
Its about a specific one that has been (mis)appropriated by a far right organisation.
https://help.fredperry.com/hc/en-us/articles/360013674918-Proud-Boys-Statement
fill yer boots.
I'm well aware. My opinion is the same.
I wouldn’t wear a Fred Perry top now. I mean, I never have before but I wouldn’t even consider it now, any more than I’d wander round a town centre with a St George’s cross flag draped over my otherwise bare shoulders.
Both items have moronic white nationalist overtones. And I take the point about ‘reclaiming’ these symbols but a) why risk being associated with morons and b) why bother? They’re not symbols I want to fight for.
And yes, if I bump into anyone wearing a black & yellow Fred Perry Polo neck I’ll be wondering if they’re either a racist, indifferent to racism, or just ignorant of world events.
I’m not sure whether you’re intentionally straw-manning but in fact that’s a good example.
It was totally believable that someone in NASCAR could leave a noose as a threat, just as it’s entirely plausible that someone would wear a black and yellow shirt as a dog whistle to fellow bigots. Whether or not there was any intent behind the rope-leaving (turns out there wasn’t) / shirt wearing is not the point.
I feel the same way about the confederate flag as I do about statues
They are not "history" in themselves. By removing a statue (today) or taking down a flag (today), you are not somehow erasing or denying anything. They will still be in the history books, papers, photographs, paintings etc. The fact that you are removing a statue or taking down a flag today does not mean that the subject hasn't had a statue for the last 20/50/100 years, or the flag wasn't flown from a public building in that time - it just means that they will no longer have a statue/flag in the future. This seems fine to me: attitudes change, and the way that we celebrate people and things today can change too.
But I think if you advocate for that approach, that what was once acceptable is now unacceptable - you also have to agree that you can't reach back beyond a certain point in time and judge people too harshly about how they spoke/behaved/acted about something deemed acceptable at the time.
The (seemingly?) universal acceptance that the confederate flag is a symbol of a deeply racist ideology is only fairly recent I think. Prior to that I think it was used as a kind of "southern pride" thing that maybe people didn't think too hard about, or just a cool sticker (which is how I viewed it growing up).
I'm inclined to think that the confederate flag (today) is useful - it tells you about the person/organization flying it. Which is the whole point about flags, surely? Somebody flying it 2,3,5 years ago? Maybe not a racist. Somebody flying it today? Probably a racist (or at least an idiot).
I wouldn’t wear a Fred Perry top now. I mean, I never have before but I wouldn’t even consider it now, any more than I’d wander round a town centre with a St George’s cross flag draped over my otherwise bare shoulders.
A tad over dramatic