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Honestly BruceWee, take a break.
I just put it down to English people being English.
Please don't be so contemptuous of those who didn't have the fortune to be born covered in Celtic awesome pixie dust
Please don’t be so contemptuous of those who didn’t have the fortune to be born covered in Celtic awesome pixie dust
Watch out. Since BruceWee is a language purist I am sure they will get offended at the term "celtic" and start debating how exactly it should be used. A very fraught term once you get beyond the Victorian romanticism.
Maybe we need a thread you can go to for an argument.
Not all British people. Just the English.
I've literally never experienced this.
As a Welsh person living in England, who can barley speak a word of Welsh, I don't really care.
If they want it to be known by the Welsh name that's fine by me, And it's probably more appropriate given its geographical location.
BUt that is literally all I have to say on the topic.
As a Welsh person living in England
So I assume that you don't actually wear a fez? Iz disappoint 😟
So I assume that you don’t actually wear a fez? Iz disappoint 😟
Ahh yes, the Fez! the hat of my people! 🙂
Sorry to disapoint!
But I think it’s more a product of being born and raised in England where England, Britain, Great Britain, and the UK all mean pretty much the same thing.
Except, they don't. And I take your point, our country's various nomenclature is weirdly complicated. But should it be a great leap to know where you live, especially in a nation that likes to trot out clichés like "if you want to live here you should learn the language"?
My nationality is British. The country I live in is England. My sovereign as nation broadly presented internationally is the UK. The lump of rock I live on is Great Britain. These are all different things despite how much people might confuse them.
I don’t know any English people who refer to Edinburgh or Cardiff as being in England.
How about outside of England? I've heard an American ask "so where exactly in England is Scotland?" before now.
If it confuses those who actually live here then the rest of the world has no chance.
@reluctantjumper There's parking in Crickhowell? I thought everyone one just abandoned their car on the road closest to the shop they wanted to go in?
That's what it seems like when heading through with the tractor and trailer anyway, makes it really hard for me to stop near the bakery 😆
How about outside of England?
I referred directly to that when I made this comment:
"Yeah, invariably foreigners. In the same way as Brits talk about Holland."
If it confuses those who actually live here then the rest of the world has no chance.
It doesn't confuse those who live here at all, everyone knows that Scotland isn't in England.
It sometimes confuses foreigners though, or perhaps they just can't be bothered because they don't think it is important.
In the same way that most Brits don't think it is important to call the Netherlands "the Netherlands" instead of Holland.
It doesn’t confuse those who live here at all
Says the guy who didn't know what Great Britain was until it was explained to him a few hours ago.
My nationality is British. The country I live in is England. My sovereign as nation broadly presented internationally is the UK. The lump of rock I live on is Great Britain. These are all different things despite how much people might confuse them.
Keep on keeping on, Cougar 🙂
In the same way that most Brits don’t think it is important to call the Netherlands “the Netherlands” instead of Holland.
Or not refer to the inhabitants as Dutch. Because ‘Deutchland’.
tell the people in Brecon who’re contemplating a legal challenge because the name of their home was changed without even consulting them that it doesn’t matter.
*sigh* No, it hasn’t. As you well know. The English name for the National Park has been removed, leaving the Welsh name that it’s always been known as. Brecon hasn’t been changed, ‘cos it doesn’t need to be changed, because that’s its name.
It doesn’t confuse those who live here at all, everyone knows that Scotland isn’t in England.
At the risk of repeating myself, that isn't what I said.
Or for that matter, what you said.
@timber - yeah, it can get a bit chaotic, especially outside the off license. Occasionally Powys will send down a traffic warden for a few hours but they usually get torrents of abuse from the locals. Has got worse since the seating area and flower pots have arrived on the high street. I'm sure there are people who have lived there a long time who don't even know the big car park behind the fire station even exists 🤣 At least the cash point for the old NatWest has gone, that was very busy and would regularly have trucks parked there to use it. Was one of the busiest cash points in Wales for a few years.
There was a coffee shop in town called No13 that complained about people being unable to park and visit them, especially as there was a great burger van in the layby above Elvicta Estate. They argued for looser parking restrictions (on free parking choked by all the shopkeepers parking there all day...) and getting the layby made 2hr parking so that the burger van had to move. Spectacularly backfired when the burger van moved to the football ground a few hundred yards away and now has parking for loads more cars and is always busy! No13 closed shortly after and the owner was adamant there was a conspiracy against him.
It doesn’t confuse those who live here at all
Says the guy who didn’t know what Great Britain was until it was explained to him a few hours ago.
Why don't you read the thread properly BruceWee?
It was chrismac who used the term 'Great Britain' and Cougar criticised claiming that there was no such country and the term referred to a land mass.
I pointed out to Cougar that the correct name for the country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is obviously a mouthful**, and that the term Great Britain (and United Kingdom) is perfectly acceptable.
Obviously if you have strong royalist tendencies you might want to emphasis the fact that the country is a monarchy rather than emphasis its geographic location, but neither term confuses anyone.
Hope that helps.
** I don't know anyone who uses the full correct term in conversation.
I pointed out to Cougar that the correct name for the country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, which is obviously a mouthful**, and that the term Great Britain (and United Kingdom) is perfectly acceptable.
I was wrong.
There was me thinking you understood it now that it's been explained to you multiple times. Turns out you still don't.
It's almost impressive that you can remain this ignorant.
He thinks it's acceptable. You don't.
Regardless of definition, I suspect the majority don't care - hence 'acceptable' being right.
See how dumb nationalism makes us all?
What's any of this got to do with the OP? Seems like posting anything about Cymraeg really does bring out all the loons.
Nobody cares what the NP is called. I'll call it y Bannau Brycheiniog, same as I'd call Uluru or Myanmar by their 2023 names. Some will keep on using the Sais name, like they say Betsy Code, Laneli, or Majawca because of some perceived shame in pronouncing forren words proper (despite being the kind of person to lecture you on how to pronounce a French grape varietal). There's a group of business owners kicking up a fuss about the "new" name, insisting on it being bi-lingual. Except none of these businesses use Cymraeg on their websites. The don't actually mean bi-lingual... do they...
Anyway, they have 40 followers on Twitter: https://twitter.com/OurBBNP, which hasn't stopped the Mail & BBC getting on board their crusade. I almost wish I lived nearer so I could make a point of never darkening any of their doors.
He thinks it’s acceptable. You don’t.
No, I'm right. He's wrong.
Regardless of definition, I suspect the majority don’t care – hence ‘acceptable’ being right.
The majority in England probably don't care.
See how dumb nationalism makes us all?
Given it was your British nationalism that started this thread, I'd agree.
What’s any of this got to do with the OP?
English-centric outlooks breed anti-English sentiments. Which may or may not related to this issue.
As has been demonstrated on this thread, many people have very English-centric outlooks. Which would be fine if Scotland, Wales, and NI were independent countries but they are not and have to put up with English-centric viewpoints all the time.
It gets annoying but also quite amusing getting people to repeatedly demonstrate their ignorance and not even realise it.
Seems like posting anything
about Cymraegreally does bring out all the loons.
FTFY.
because of some perceived shame in pronouncing forren words proper
Or a lack of understanding in the nuances of a myriad of non-native tongues. "I'm buying a Porsche, better go learn how to speak German" said no English person ever. Who here pronounces VW as "Folksvahgen"? Ikea as "icky-yah," Skoda as "Shkoda," Forza as "fortza"?
How fast are we to mock 'foreigners' doing exactly the same thing with English?
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5qjk7m
I’m buying a Porsche, better go learn how to speak / pronounce German”
I'm talking about Roger and Linda who've owned a house in Betsy Code for 25 years and mispronounce the name as a badge of honour. Yeah it's not something limited to monoglot English speakers, I hear similar sentiments here from Madrileños who own property on the Basque coast, but that perverse pride in not speaking a word of forren is disproportionately evident in the English IMO.
If you live in, or visit Wales (or anywhere else), why not make at least a token effort? Especially when it's a minority language that at times has been precariously close to going extinct.
Well, yes, quite. Being proud of being as thick as a whale omelette is something I never really understood.
"I know nothing about computers, me!" with a proud grin, a head of Finance once said to me. Next up, a carpenter boasting that he knows nothing about hammers.
Your occasional reminder to bin your old “GB” car stickers/magnets and source one that says “UK” before driving abroad.
Well, yes, quite. Being proud of being as thick as a whale omelette is something I never really understood.
It's called blissful ignorance, Edmund.
Your occasional reminder to bin your old “GB” car stickers/magnets and source one that says “UK” before driving abroad
While you're at it remind them to loudly boo the Olympic team until they compete wearing kit emblazoned "United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland".
While you’re at it remind them to loudly boo the Olympic team until they compete wearing kit emblazoned “United Kingdom Of Great Britain And Northern Ireland”.
This really is the thread that keeps on giving with regards ignorance.
Team GB is athletes from England, Scotland, Wales, and some of the Northern Irish athletes. The Northern Irish athletes who choose not to join Team GB can represent the Island of Ireland instead. Likewise the Northern Irish athletes who choose not to represent the Island of Ireland can choose to represent Team GB.
Are you beginning to understand why these words aren't just pedantry once you step beyond the borders of England?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_GB#Calls_for_renaming
Team GB is athletes from England, Scotland, Wales, and some of the Northern Irish athletes
You might want to fact check that if it's your basis for correcting people (or is it a lazy shorthand including overseas territories and crown dependencies that aren't mentioned?)
You might want to fact check that if it’s your basis for correcting people (or is it a lazy shorthand including overseas territories and crown dependencies that aren’t mentioned?)
Sure, the UK is a complex country (or collection of countries) and it's easy to make mistakes and overlook component parts and offend people.
However, if you make a mistake it's not ok to argue that actually you are right and everyone else is just being pedantic. We are talking about strong feelings of personal identity here.
So, sorry for getting it wrong.
So we're not going to call it Ayers Rock then?
I'll get back on my bike
They’re probably not thick, but rather doing it on purpose to wind up the kind of thundering throbber that corrects people on the correct name for a place. I live near the Peak District. A lot of people just call it ‘the peaks’. Usually students that haven’t been here long. There’s always some towering roaster, inevitably dressed in outdoor clothing in the pub who delights in saying: “It’s actually the peak’ 🧐. So of course one doubles down and endeavours to call it ‘the peaks’ forevermore.
Athletes from the United Kingdom, all but three of its Overseas Territories, and the three Crown Dependencies, can compete in the Olympic Games as part of Team GB. Athletes from Northern Ireland can also choose to compete as part of Team Ireland instead. Wikipedia
United Kingdom, island country located off the northwestern coast of mainland Europe. The United Kingdom comprises the whole of the island of Great Britain—which contains England, Wales, and Scotland—as well as the northern portion of the island of Ireland source Encyclopedia Britannica
It only takes a moment's care to use the correct term and only a bit of forbearance if someone mistakenly uses the wrong term once or twice.
If someone corrects you for persistently using the wrong term they're not grievance monkeys or mad cybernats they're only sticking up for themselves.
In summary" calm the **** doon !"😀
Who here pronounces VW as “Folksvahgen”?
Me. Also Porsche and Braun correctly .
Forza as “fortza”?
Me again. Doing otherwise would be like pronouncing sixth as "sickth".
Since this is allegedly a cycling forum I'm also reminded of all the stick Rob Hatch and Jose Been have received over the years for their correct pronunciation.
This thread has drawn my attention to just how much deference is implied when Great Britain is described in the context of Charlie Windsor's realm.
When sanity eventually prevails and Great Britain becomes an advanced democracy there will clearly be no monarchy to rule over us and Ireland will, once again, be united.
The term United Kingdom will obviously at that point become completely meaningless and redundant.
In anticipation of that, plus in cognition of the fact that countries such as Sweden don't call themselves the Kingdom of Sweden, despite it being the correct formal term, I have decided to now use the term United Kingdom less often and to focus more on using the term Great Britain.
I want to thank this thread, and BruceWee in particular, for helping me to see the absurdity of constantly referring to Charlie Windsor's kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
Me again.
Good. I try also but am not always successful.
This thread has drawn my attention to just how much deference is implied when Great Britain is described in the context of Charlie Windsor’s realm.
...
I want to thank this thread, and BruceWee in particular, for helping me to see the absurdity of constantly referring to Charlie Windsor’s kingdom.
No it hasn't. And no you don't.
I want to thank this thread, and BruceWee in particular, for helping me to see the absurdity of constantly referring to Charlie Windsor’s kingdom.
You're welcome?
Personally I find it easier to just say, 'Oops, sorry' when I mis-speak but if you want to create a manifesto to avoid saying you were wrong then you do you.
Good luck with the new political career and try not to get stabbed if you visit Northern Ireland.
No it hasn’t. And no you don’t.
Yeah it has. It's only in recent times that I have started using the term United Kingdom regularly, I'm not even sure why since I don't have strong royalist leanings, I am definitely going to make more effort using the term Great Britain.
And if that upsets pro-royalist sentiments or those that get anal about stuff well, you know, I am not hugely bothered.
The Northern Irish athletes who choose not to join Team GB can represent the Island of Ireland instead.
I suppose if the Olympic Federation of Ireland purports to represent the entire population of the island of Ireland in the Olympic movement, then British Olympic Association could rename itself the British Isles Olympic Association. But actually they should probably just proclaim themselves the Olympic association for the Balkans too - that would net them a few gold medals in weightlifting and water polo easy.
I'd say the doubling rate of the doubling down on this thread has definitely long passed the point of super criticality and what we're now observing is a runaway chain reaction which will inevitably lead to catastrophic meltdown.
What do you imagine your provision of regional population data actually says?
That 33,349* of them perhapse don't care.
*Assumes that each business is owned by a different individual and not directors on the baord of multiple businesses, that they live within the boundary, and that you're not one of them so it's at least 51.
I survived the Welsh counties being divided up and renamed in the 90s, ohh the humanity of it all.
Then in the 2000s they had the brass balls to change the number in our postcode, the utter swines.
It's amazing I'm still going after all this suffering.
#thoughtsandprayersforTNIAS
#IMSTARTINGAGOFUNDME
I'm not a royalist but I still call it the UK because that's it's name. And like it or not, there's a monarch.
I don't like king prawns but I'm not going to stop referring to them as such.
Sure, the UK is a complex country
It's about average for Europe really.
I don’t like king prawns but I’m not going to stop referring to them as such
Quite right...... that would be political correctness gawn mad!!
Edit: Why don't you like king prawns btw?
Edit: Why don’t you like king prawns btw?
The answer is right there 😉
I’m not a royalist
But is there consistency? does that mean he also refuses to eat at McDonalds main competitor? 😀
Would certainly make games of draughts and chess more complicated! Don't even mention a game of poker.
I don’t like king prawns but I’m not going to stop referring to them as such.
I like king prawns but I'm not going to swear allegiance to one.
I like king prawns but I’m not going to swear allegiance to one.
Of course not, you would swear allegiance to Toast King, making that idiot king would be a disaster.
Why don’t you like king prawns btw?
Umm, cos they taste like king prawns?
Not a huge fan of Burger King either and I don't think Chris King hubs are worth the extra. So yeah maybe I am a republican.
How do you feel about Kingdom of Sweets, One Republic, and Queens Park Rangers?
Umm, cos they taste like king prawns?
So different to non-regal pawns? How so?
Not a huge fan of Burger King either and I don’t think Chris King hubs are worth the extra. So yeah maybe I am a republican.
You're a repressed Imp. Turn to the dark side.
So different to non-regal pawns?
I have just noticed the missing 'r' in that sentence. I am not sure if it was one of my usual typos or whether all this talk of birth-given right to reign over us resulted in a confused Freudian slip.
Yeah it has. It’s only in recent times that I have started using the term United Kingdom regularly, I’m not even sure why since I don’t have strong royalist leanings, I am definitely going to make more effort using the term Great Britain.
No it hasn't.
The word you were looking for back there isn't "implied," it's "inferred" and you're the one doing the inferring. Probably disingenuously in order to fuel an arguement. Unusually.
Whatever terms you come up with (or claim that others come up with) to describe where you live is wholly on you. You could call it Wangland for the difference it makes. But none of this gibberish makes you correct.
And if that upsets pro-royalist sentiments or those that get anal about stuff well, you know, I am not hugely bothered.
Hopefully the good people of Northern Ireland share your lack of concern. Or the thousands of other islands that make up the UK for that matter.
For someone who squeals "racism" at the drop of a polar bear in a snowstorm, your belligerent myopia regarding national identity here has genuinely come as a surprise to me.
Yeah it has. It’s only in recent times that I have started using the term United Kingdom regularly, I’m not even sure why since I don’t have strong royalist leanings, I am definitely going to make more effort using the term Great Britain.
No it hasn’t.
The word you were looking for back there isn’t “implied,” it’s “inferred” and you’re the one doing the inferring. Probably disingenuously in order to fuel an arguement. Unusually.
I haven't used the word "implied" anywhere there. You are arguing over the use of a word which I haven't used whilst simultaneously accusing me probably looking for an argument. That's quite an achievement!!
For someone who squeals “racism” at the drop of a polar bear in a snowstorm, your belligerent myopia regarding national identity here has genuinely come as a surprise to me.
That's because you have this weird thing in your head that I make inappropriate allegations of racism, no one else seems to think so, just you. In fact if anything I get accused of the complete opposite on here, ie not recognising racism where it allegedly exists.
And I have absolutely no idea whatsoever why you think this issue has anything to do with racism. I cannot see the vaguest hint of racism in referring to Great Britain instead of the United Kingdom. Although presumably you do.
I haven’t used the word “implied” anywhere there. You are arguing over the use of a word which I haven’t used whilst simultaneously accusing me probably looking for an argument. That’s quite an achievement!!
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This thread has drawn my attention to just how much deference is implied when Great Britain is described in the context of Charlie Windsor’s realm.
🤷♂️
you have this weird thing in your head that I make inappropriate allegations of racism, no one else seems to think so
Are you sure about that?
And I have absolutely no idea whatsoever why you think this issue has anything to do with racism. I cannot see the vaguest hint of racism in referring to Great Britain instead of the United Kingdom. Although presumably you do.
I don't think it's about racism, rather it's a casual dismissal of the importance of national identity. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the RoI, Ireland, Britain, Great Britain, the British Isles, the UK, British Overseas Territories, Crown Dependencies, all of these are different things.
Whilst that might not mean squat to many English people it becomes increasingly important rapidly as soon as you start crossing borders. Go to a bar in Belfast, tell them that they're actually in Great Britain, report back here how that works out for you.
How about the Isle of Whight? The Isle of Man? The Channel Islands? The Orkneys and the Shetlands? St. Helena? Ascension Island? Hell, the Falklands, we went to war over that one. How about the literally thousands of other islands that make up our nation in varyingly complex fashions?
How about the Isle of Whight?
The Isle of What, now?
I haven’t used the word “implied” anywhere there.
Are you sure about that?
Absolutely. Nowhere in the bit that you deliberately copied and pasted had I used the word "implied", you were clearly referring to that quote, which is why I said "anywhere there"
You accused me of using the wrong word after you used the wrong quote.
And whilst it might be amusing for David Mitchell to make the distinction between implied and inferred on 'Would I Lie To You' I don't need you to tell me that you know the difference.
I don’t think it’s about racism, rather it’s a casual dismissal of the importance of national identity.
So if it is not about racism why did you mention "racism"? FFS
And I still don't have the slightest idea what the actual **** you are on about. I cannot for the life of me see how not referring to Britian as a "kingdom" is a casual dismissal of the importance of national identity.
St. Helena? Ascension Island? Hell, the Falklands,
That's a new one on me. I have never heard those islands being described as part of of GB or the UK, do they send MPs to the Westminster Parliament?
I have to say Cougar you are without doubt one of the most argumentative persons on stw, I find it quite astonishing that you repeatedly suggest that I want "fuel an arguement", as you did earlier.
I don’t think it’s about racism, rather it’s a casual dismissal of the importance of national identity. England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the RoI, Ireland, Britain, Great Britain, the British Isles, the UK, British Overseas Territories, Crown Dependencies, all of these are different things.
Thing is our passports have both the term 'United Kingdom' and 'Great Britain' on the front which kind of implies that the terms are a bit interchangeable (plus there's a special mention for Northern Ireland).
Should we be upset by that or not?
Or is this all a bunch of pointless circular argumentative toss because some people like to get a bit Gamony when people in "the Regions" dare to exert a small bit of their own identity...
Go to a bar in Belfast, tell them that they’re actually in Great Britain, report back here how that works out for you
This is not a good test. Making the kind of pernickety, smartarsed, snippy comments that are common on this forum irl would get you a biff in many pubs. You're trying to make a point about Ascension Islanders being marginalised because people don't think about them in the British Olympic team, for example.
Thing is our passports have both the term ‘United Kingdom’ and ‘Great Britain’ on the front which kind of implies that the terms are a bit interchangeable
UK = Great Britain
Great Britain != UK
They are absolutely not interchangeable.
I have to say Cougar you are without doubt one of the most argumentative persons on stw
I live in the BBNP, not far from Crickhowell. I don't recall this matter even coming up in my local at the time.
Hi squirrelking...... you think it is legitimate for Cougar to accuse someone else on STW of being argumentative? 😂
Nowhere in the bit that you deliberately copied and pasted had I used the word “implied”, you were clearly referring to that quote, which is why I said “anywhere there”
You accused me of using the wrong word after you used the wrong quote.
Oh come on. I've been quoting as minimally as possible in order to avoid unnecessary duplication whilst pinning a reference back to who/what I'm replying to for well over a decade on STW. Are you genuinely telling me that you need reminding of everything you've ever said every time we post?
And I still don’t have the slightest idea what the actual **** you are on about. I cannot for the life of me see how not referring to Britian as a “kingdom” is a casual dismissal of the importance of national identity.
Again, that's not what I said. Do I need to start quoting myself in full as well as you?
What I'm on about, on a thread about calling things by their correct names, is calling things by their correct names. Why this is seemingly proving to be a problematic concept for you, I do not know.
I have to say Cougar you are without doubt one of the most argumentative persons on stw
No I'm not. 😁
Sorry if you feel I'm challenging your crown.
You’re trying to make a point about Ascension Islanders being marginalised because people don’t think about them in the British Olympic team, for example.
In my defence, it was a random place that popped to mind as an example, it was gone 2am when I posted that.
Just to clarify what the Olympic team should be called, it should be:
Team Great Britain, some of Northern Ireland, the Crown Dependencies, and the Overseas Territories except Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, and the Cayman Islands.
Apologies in advance to the countries I have inevitably missed due to overlooking some treaty signed in 1147.
If you're going to be pedantic, and I think you are, Team GB covers all of Northern Ireland, but not exclusively.
If you’re going to be pedantic, and I think you are, Team GB covers all of Northern Ireland, but not exclusively.
Team Great Britain, all of Northern Ireland but not exclusively, the Crown Dependencies, and the Overseas Territories except Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, and the Cayman Islands
Yeah, that definitely scans better.
The Brecon Beacons name thread is closed to new replies – BUT WHY?
Suppose this one will get closed now, having not been about the OP since page one. Does nobody get banned anymore for wilfully and repeatedly dragging threads so far off topic?
Does nobody get banned anymore for wilfully and repeatedly dragging threads so far off topic?
I didn't think anyone ever had been banned for that.
No individual can drag a thread off topic. They post something which has nothing to do with the thread's subject matter but they can't force anyone else to do the same.
Being wilfully disruptive after being asked to stop is (was?) a temporary ban offence. Thread drift is an inherent feature of discussion forums, so long as it doesn't 'cancel' the actual topic. IMHO, etc.
Bans are usually a last resort.
Can't help thinking chevy is sipping a cocktail on a beach somewhere laughing at the chaos he's caused on this thread.
Thread drift doing a lot of heavy lifting there 😉 this one's drifted 300 mile from Powys to Belfast!
this one’s drifted 300 mile from Powys to Belfast!
That was just the first leg, it's gone all the way to Ascension Island
Can’t help thinking chevy is sipping a cocktail on a beach somewhere laughing at the chaos he’s caused on this thread.
I must admit, I'm pleased that this descent into idiocy has proven Einstein right - that nationalism is an infantile disease.
I'll absolutely casually dismiss the importance of national identity and go further. I posit that there's a direct and positive correlation between the importance someone places on their national identity and how much of a knuckle-dragging (edited) they are.
🙂
I must admit, I’m pleased that this descent into idiocy has proven Einstein right – that nationalism is an infantile disease.
Except your own nationalism, that's obviously good and sensible.
I’ll absolutely casually dismiss the importance of national identity
What about cultural identity? There's more involved here than simply my country's better than yours.
Except your own nationalism, that’s obviously good and sensible.
Aye, those are the rules. British nationalism is not nationalism.
It's a rosy-cheeked and healthy patriotism that's simply about being proud of your heritage.
It's about celebrating inherent superiority and all the good things the British Empire has done.
It's about those shared values of free-markets, militarism and monarchy.
It's insulting to compare these people to Welsh nationalist crazies using a Welsh place name for a Welsh place.
Except your own nationalism, that’s obviously good and sensible.
What nationalism is that @brucewee? Pray tell me about myself.
Every day is a learning opportunity after all. 🙂
Edit. I see that your offensive post, any my reply which quoted your offensive post have been removed. Thanks mods.
You're a British nationalist. You started this thread because you felt your British identity was being threatened.
Christ, is this thread still going?
It's in Wales so thay can call it whatever they want.
I've found something more interesting to argue about...
Which is correct?
Exhibit A?
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Or Exhibit B?
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