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Like everyone with an imagination I love a good ghost story or 'could it be real' etc. On my facebook page there was a sub-link to a story about the black knight satellite.
Now- how the bloody hell do they know its been up there for 13,000years and why does it look suspiciously like a Batman figurine...
Still- theres lots of links etc out there..
jivehoneyjive is your man for this
I think NASA put it up there in the 50s to deflect attention from their so-called "moon missions".
Some piece of space junk, dumped by USA or Russia. Did we also not have a few flights close to low gravity from USA, Russia, UK, Nazi's etc?
You really do have to love the deluded. What would our society be without them eh.
On a more 'fact is far more interesting than anything you could make up' note, do you have any idea how many objects there are orbiting earth?
A few dozen? A few hundred? A few thousand?
[url= http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/faqs.html ]It's actually 21,000[/url]
Its post like the OP's that reveal everything you need to know about people on here..
I got mildly fascinated by this Black Knight object a few months back too.. There are lots of very grainy UTube vids all proclaiming Alien communication devices, Alien portal, Alien toilet.. You name it and it's probably Alien something or other.. One vid proclaims an age of 13k years, another it's just space junk, another proclaims (and has footage of) a NASA flyby and the ISS has passed it a gazzilion times and observed it continuesly. There is a notion that's it's "stationary" in the same orbit/trajectory and that it doesn't move.
But, you really do have to believe by now that should it have been something of interest we'd have either known about it or it would have disappeared back in the 70's when the technology to shoot things down in space became available.
Worth a read up and chase the vids down on a cold winters night though.
That was pretty much hora's most circumspect post, like, evvahdbcooper - Member
Its post like the OP's that reveal everything you need to know about people on here..
We humans have something called an imagination. Its nice to explore this sometimes.
it's a piece of space bullshit
Maybe it's [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somebody_Else%27s_Problem ]somebody else's problem[/url].
hora's, evidently.
You really do have to love the deluded. What would our society be without them eh.
I don't know what society would be like, but it would be a hell of a lot less annoying on here.
I don't know what society would be like, but it would be a hell of a lot less annoying on here.
I think you're pretty deluded yourself if you really believe this place would be any less annoying. Nature abhors a vacuum 🙂
I don't know what society would be like, but it would be a hell of a lot less annoying on here.
Is this a symptom/comment/example from an ageing STW readership? Everything is more annoying nowadays, people are wrong, I don't believe it/I can't believe it/I'm off down the pub etc syndrome?
Conspiracy theorist logic is interesting in itself... I think what it basically comes down to is that people like knowing things that other people don't, that's quite natural. Same as wanting to be an expert in a particular field, or discovering new things.
But those things are hard work, much easier to just make something up or find some pre-existing bullshit then "know" that.
It's like, instead of being knowledgable on the workings of bike brakes, and helping people out with that knowledge, adding value, you invent Truth Brakes and go on internet forums and bang on about your imaginary brakes and about how everyone using real brakes is a fool, adding noise. And soon other people will want a piece of that and join your Truth Braker Movement.
Ironically, knowing real things is less interesting.
Hmm, tell me more about these truth brakes.
Definitely a real hoax.
Que?
Why the arguing?
If you are not interested in the topic I wonder why you seem post on the thread, do you have any ideas about what it is?
Just sayin like.
When bedding in ,how long should you leave Truth Brake pads in the oven for?
I'd like constructive posts like 'its a hoax because of X or X'
Not mosh-pit flay-ling your arms everywhere.
I'm not old enough yet that I wont keep an open mind to any new evidence on anything. Nowt wrong with curiosity that sparks the imagination either.
My son had ketchup on pudding. He really liked it. By the time hes older he'll thoroughly know its not the done thing and he'll be seen as odd if he persists.
Is it safe to assume that is the inspiration behind the name of the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_(rocket) ]Black Knight project[/url]?
I understand it's a piece of Space Bollocks.
I wouldnt be so sure. My missis puts vinegar on roast dinner, horseraddish on any meat and uses ketchup/HP regardless of the quality of the food on the plate. while I agree if you make cottage pie with bisto you probably need some flavour in there, but if you make it properly then it really doesn't!My son had ketchup on pudding. He really liked it. By the time hes older he'll thoroughly know its not the done thing and he'll be seen as odd if he persists.
I've tried to point out that obliterating whatever flavours were on the plate is quite insulting but she's having none of it.
Nip that wierdness in the bud!
hora - Member
I'd like constructive posts like 'its a hoax because of X or X'
how about you tell us why you think it could be anything more than some space junk? All the links in the google search are notorious idiot conspiracy theory websites making extremely wild claims. The evidence they cite has mundane explanations, which they choose to ignore because it's not exciting.
Shes only trying to liven up standard British food!
Pimpmaster Jazz - MemberIs it safe to assume that is the inspiration behind the name of the Black Knight project?
Bit of local history there!
There are the remains on one of the Black Knight rocket vehicles at Calbourne Mill if you're interested PMJ.
Oh and the rocket testing site is possibly one of my favourite places on the Island. Absolutely love it there on a hot summers day!
Here are the (self proclaimed) [url= http://www.ancient-code.com/20-facts-black-knight-satellite/ ]20 Facts[/url]
I stopped at the first one.
Ok, debunkers:
1) how do we know it's 13k years old? We did even have a basic telescope till about 700 years ago
2) How has it been photographed at all?
3) It's in a low polar orbit apparently, so how is it staying "stationary"
4) Considering the major super powers have satellite "shoot down" capability, we could just destroy it if it actually existed
And about a million other facts. Except all good conspiracists will always reply with some even more amazing made up Bull to justify why those facts aren't valid, as will all conspiracies.
Like is someone says "moon landings were, faked, they never happened" the best reponse is to immediately hit them as hard as possible square in the face and when ask "Why did you do that" reply, "Do what?"
😉
WackoAK - Member
Here are the (self proclaimed) 20 Facts
SAY NO TO DRUGS
How about saying no to no drugs?
I'd never heard of this till now. Quick search gives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite
Wikipedia states:
The satellite mystery originated in 1954 when... two satellites orbiting Earth had [allegedly] been detected. At this time no one had the technology to launch a satellite
This seems somewhat leading to me. "Satellite" doesn't necessarily mean "artificial satellite." The Moon is a (natural) satellite.
Regardless,
...it is more probable that the photographs are of a thermal blanket that had been lost during an EVA.
Roflcopters.
I like those facts.
In 1957, an unknown “object” was seen “shadowing” the Sputnik 1 Spacecraft. According to reports, the “unidentified object” was in Polar orbit.
in 1957. The United Stated nor the Russians possessed the technology to maintain a spacecraft in Polar Orbit.
Sputnik wasn't in a polar orbit. So how was it "shadowed" by something in a polar orbit?
Polar orbits are often used for earth-mapping, earth observation, capturing the earth as time passes from one point and reconnaissance satellites. This would put the Black Knight in the category of a observational Satellite.The Black Knight’s orbit was unlike any other object orbiting Earth.
So it's in an orgit like an observation satellite, and also in an orbit unlike an observation satellite.
In 1963, Gordon Cooper was launched into space. On his final orbit, he reported seeing a glowing green object in front of his capsule in the distance moving towards his Spacecraft. The Muchea tracking station, in Australia, which Cooper reported the object to, picked up this Unidentified object on Radar travelling East to West.
So not in a polar orbit
That's another thing I really like about conspiracy theories, the ability to survive self-contradiction. You can believe 2 inherently contradictory ideas, as long as they both contradict the accepted view. If someone says something is black, along will come "proof" that it's both yellow and blue. Controlled explosions, and nano-thermite.
So despite having a manned presence in orbit with heaps of tech on it for observing stuff, have made regular trips to launch things into space and much much more and we don't have a decent pic of it?
Northwind- thats better.
Still- I want something sci-fi and unknown 🙁
If you want something Sci-fi and unknown, the [url= https://ludchurchmyblog.wordpress.com/places-further-afield/u-f-o-test-site/ ]Hafren Forest research site is a good one[/url].
I was recently in hospital with a guy who has lived near the site for about 40 years and he recalled helicopters, strange lights late at night, heavy army presence etc.
He also mentioned that once the MOD had finished with the site, him and a mate went to have a look and the enclosure described was made entirely of wood, even bolts holding the structure together were wood.
Seem to remember when I mentioned this a while back, there was a local from the Llanidloes area on here who had also been up there on a motorbike and described similar heavy military presence.
There are the remains on one of the Black Knight rocket vehicles at Calbourne Mill if you're interested PMJ.
Seen it. Love that it's standing behind the shell of a Ferret armoured car and surrounded by peacocks in a farmyard. 😀
Always the Rendlesham Forest incident too, Hora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident
Vermicious Knids I tell you!
I read all about those as a kid!
hora - MemberStill- I want something sci-fi and unknown
In that case- it's a Volvo, being sent down from the GCU Arbitrary
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Not quite sure what's so conspiratorial about that Hafren forest bit. Interesting, but not shady.
So anything I mention automatically enters conspiracy territory?
Shake off those preconceptions... hora asked for sci fi and unknown and the Hafren site has a bit of both
A big incident which remains unexplained is the [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event ]Tunguska event[/url] of 1908
A big incident which remains unexplained is the Tunguska event of 1908
How is it unexplained?
The Tunguska event was a large explosion, caused by an asteroid or comet, which occurred near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River in what is now Krasnoyarsk Krai, Russia, at about 07:14 KRAT (00:14 UT) on June 30 [O.S. June 17], 1908.[1][2][3] The explosion occurred at an altitude of 5–10 kilometres (3–6 mi) at 60.886°N, 101.894°E. It is classified as an impact event even though the object is believed to have burst in the air rather than hit the surface.[4] Different studies have yielded widely varying estimates of the impacting object's size, on the order of 60 m (200 ft) to 190 m (620 ft).[5] It is the largest impact event on Earth in recorded history.
Sounds almost like it's aliens or worse a massive Lizard Egg
How is it unexplained?
All in the wording innit 😆
It is classified as an impact event even though the object is [b]believed[/b] to have burst in the air rather than hit the surface
Bloody conjecturists!!
Large rock hits Earth and explodes...
...there's a lot of large rocks (called asteroids or comets if they're mixed with water) in space. What have I missed?
(and yes, I've read a great deal about the Tunguska event).
As for this supposed 13,000 year old satellite, if it's perigee is only 134 miles up then it sure as heck wouldn't have remained in orbit for long. Skylab's perigee was 254 miles up and atmospheric drag was enough to bring it down after six years in orbit.
Granted, the apogee is vastly different, but I'd expect that 13,000 years of that particular orbit would be unsustainable.
Bloody conjecturists!!
Well the difference between being an air burst explosion and an actual impact isn't really that significant is it. But you do appear to see conspiracies wherever you look, no matter the evidence.
Why would an asteroid air burst?
How is it unexplained?
It's not, you need to watch Terma, the second episode.
Hora it because its like you it gets a bit hot then boom it explodes everywhere*
* I simplified the science a little 😉
Breaking up violently entering the atmosphere? Trapped water or other materials getting really hot, friction, instability. If you paste your question into google some good links come up
Why would an asteroid air burst?
Because all the ice holding it together evaporated during approach to sun and re-entry, plus the stress involved in colliding with an atmosphere could conceivably shatter it.
If you paste your question into google some good links come up
Thats burning up upon entry/going through the earths atmosphere. We are talking just above ground level explosion.
Like is someone says "moon landings were, faked, they never happened" the best reponse is to immediately hit them as hard as possible square in the face
Buzz, take it easy, you can't punch every conspiracy theorist in the face!
http://theweek.com/speedreads/449681/watch-72yearold-buzz-aldrin-punch-jerk-face-calling-liar
This seems like a good place to post:
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/nov/06/chelyabinsk-meteor-russia
an exploding meteor - recently
Thats burning up upon entry/going through the earths atmosphere. We are talking just above ground level explosion.
Any parameters for "Just above ground level" 5m? 50m? 500m? It could jsut be that most would do that if they flew a little further
The forces exerted on something coming that fast through the atmosphere (having previously been in a vacuum) mean that a large number of things could happen and the chance of it all staying neatly in one pieces are probably very slim
I'm no expert on this phenomenon... does exploding stuff from space completely vaporize, or are there traceable fragments?
Thats burning up upon entry/going through the earths atmosphere. We are talking just above ground level explosion
I don't understand your issue with the concept.
I'm no expert on this phenomenon... does exploding stuff from space completely vaporize, or are there traceable fragments?
You're unlikely to like this answer but "it depends".
Depends on a lot of factors, some of the main ones being it's composition and angle of entry.
In the case of the Chelyabinsk 'ite, there's several lumps left over.
Why would an asteroid air burst?
Same reason stones explode in a fire. Outside gets really hot, tries to expand, inside still cold, stress, bang.
As for Tunguska - it's *believed* to be a meteorite by everyone, so that doesn't count as unexplained I'm afraid. There's nothing that's inconsistent with a meteorite afaik.
So it's in an orgit like an observation satellite, and also in an orbit unlike an observation satellite.
So how could it be anything other than alien technology?
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That '20 Facts' link is amazing.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/449681/watch-72yearold-buzz-aldrin-punch-jerk-face-calling-liar
[b]YES![/b]
As for Tunguska - it's *believed* to be a meteorite by everyone, so that doesn't count as unexplained I'm afraid.
Aye, in my defence, I 1st heard about it in the 80s and didn't realize so much research had been done in the meantime, if it's confirmed Lake Cheko is an impact crater it will help cement the theory.
That '20 Facts' link is amazing.
Yes it's compelling "evidence" isn't it?
[quote> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/nov/06/chelyabinsk-meteor-russia
an exploding meteor - recently
That's what I wanted. Russian dash footage!
funnily enough i asked about this a while back http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/ever-heard-of-the-black-knight-satellite
i reckon it's just something on the lens tbh 😉
I said the same thing about the orbit back then, too!
^on your link it looks like screwed up black electrians tape 😀
Anyway Hora, I'm pretty sure what you were trying to google was 'black prince'.
Disappointing no one has posted a picture of the Black Knight, down to head and torso, circling the earth and threatening other satellites by demanding they continue the fight.
I guess that Jamie guys gone forever?
jivehoneyjive - Member
I'm no expert on this phenomenon... does exploding stuff from space completely vaporize, or are there traceable fragments?
As someone said, depends. Tens of thousands of objects enter our atmosphere every single day, most are the size of sand grains, or fine gravel. If they're stony chondrites, they're most likely to burn up, unless they're really large, in which case they can explode, and the larger fragments hit the ground.
There are stony-iron meteorites, pallasites and mesosiderites, both of which pretty rare, and there are iron meteorites, which can be found fairly often, especially on open smooth deserts and salt-flats, and snow/ice-fields.
High-quality swords were sometimes forged from meteoric iron, and much treasured.
Really big, ***-off sized meteors, and small asteroidal bodies also hit the earth, and leave sodding great marks on the surface, like the Arizona crater, or the Chicxulub impact site on the Yucatán Peninsula, which is 25,450 sq.km.
And was probably the main culprit behind the last dinosaur extinction, although that was a fairly drawn-out process.
Dinosaurs didn't become extinct.
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Photo of a baby Robin would have been more appropriate Mol
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