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...walked into a neatly laid trap?
Would have to be a very clever trap, what with the Tory party also being dragged into the mire.
I reckon more a victim of their own hubris actually.
There's a bit of me cant help but think that there are some people at the BBC who loved the idea of the opportunity of sticking one on the conservative party having taken a boot in the nuts from them for the Savile balls-up. Mistakes are often the result of being blinded by revenge...
I reckon more a victim of their own hubris actually.
+1
They couldn't wait to publish, so much so, they didn't do even basic fact checking.
"More middle managers than the Chinese Communist Party"...
Given that the BBC loves self-flagellation, I am not surprised how this filters down through the organisation. But there is something strange in this juxtaposition between an organisation with a rotten core and bloated bureaucracy and one still capable of outstanding broadcasting.
But watching the way that programmes like Newsnight have been debased over the past few years, I can't help feeling that the former is in the ascendendany.
The only other organisation that likes to beat itself up so publically was the England rugby team a few years ago (Robinson, Correy era) and that was sad to watch too.
Who would want to have Lord Patten batting for them?!?!
BoJo nails it
It wasn’t just that it showed Newsnight taking up the cudgels against paedophiles, after the embarrassment of the axed Savile exposé. It went one better. It pushed all the buttons. It was like a dream come true for any vaguely resentful and Left-of-centre BBC producer. It was a chance to pour unlimited ordure on a man who – in their book – jolly well had it coming. He is rich, he is a toff, he is a Lord, he is a Tory, and – joy of joys – he is an EX-AIDE TO MRS THATCHER.
Overcompensating for the previous Saville nonsense by jumping the gun on this. I really can't believe that any editor would be so stupid as to go public without a room full of lawyers first asking some serious questions about actual evidence, or the absence of....
anyone hear dimblebore on the today programme this morning?
Not mincing his words about the state of the internal politics and bureaucracy at the BBC. Something Private Eye have been having fun with since the days of Birtspeak in the mid to late 90s.
hopefully they will shift some dead wood from the corp and get on with being the best news provider we have
interesting that they farmed this report out to a private company, i suspect in the hope of avoiding accusations of bias........
If there is going to be a conspiracy, I reckon its by George Entwhistle
He read the small print on his contract and said to his wife, incredulously "It says here if I resign after a few weeks, then they have to pay me half a million quid!!! Ker-****ing-ching!!! I'm off to accuse a senior Tory of being a peado on national telly!!!"
I really can't believe that any editor would be so stupid as to go public without a room full of lawyers first asking some serious questions about actual evidence, or the absence of....
Serious questions such as:
Lawyer: Hello Mr Abused person. Here is a photo or Lord McAlpine, is this the person who raped you?
Mr Abused Person: No
Lawyer: Okay, thanks.
Exactly! It really would have been [i]that[/i] simple to avoid this whole debacle!
hopefully they will shift some dead wood from the corp and get on with being the best [s]news provider[/s] all round broadcaster we have
Agreed (Slight edit to reflect my opinion!)
Meanwhile the secret report remains shelved or shredded, and the person who has been the subject of rumours since the 1980s (not the person named) is laughing....
Just a fabulous managerial cock-up, the first leading neatly to the second in a matter of days.
BBC told it was too cautious over Saville, so Entwistle arranges for editorial sign-off of a news programme to be transferred away from the Head(s) of News to a couple of middle managers with little or no direct experience of news.
Immediately, a call needs to be made on whether to run a risky news package, and hey presto! - there's no-one suitably qualified to do it, and the wrong decision is made.
Clearly the folk at Newsnight and the lawyers didn't do their job, but there was no safety net of any value. The guys put in charge would always defer to the Newsnight team.
In addition, the DG, a former editor of Newsnight, deals with the programme as he would probably would have wanted it to be treated when he edited it - ie little or no scrutiny from above.
Two awful decisions in the space of a few days, and people are questioning why Entwistle had to go...
The Beeb really has lost its way in the last decade or so. I listen to Today and there's always something good on BBC4 but apart from that there isnt a whole lot that interests me. Sky News is way better, the sport is all gone, the comedy seems to consists of endless panel shows with the same clever dick comedians and the drama cant come close to the output of HBO and Showtime.
and further on the tory-bashing front, I know it's John Redwood here - and he has a bee in his bonnet about the BBC, but I think he has a valid point:
in a fairly unsuccessful attempt to disguise his name the Conservative party was accused of harbouring a paedophile in the Thatcher era. Some Conservatives will ask why the unnamed person had to be described in this way. Would the BBC have said a senior figure of the Callaghan or Wilson era, if the dates had been different, or were they as often seems the case, out to attack Margaret Thatcher? Would they have constantly repeated the word Labour, if the senior figure had been from that party, or sufficed themselves with a general word like politician?
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2012/11/10/the-bbc-and-journalism/
Stoner - Memberanyone hear dimblebore on the today programme this morning?
Not mincing his words about the state of the internal politics and bureaucracy at the BBC. Something Private Eye have been having fun with since the days of Birtspeak in the mid to late 90s.
So, not a "bore", then...
hey dont spoil my aliteration 😛
[s]h[/s]Hey, [u]don't[/u] spoil my [u]alliteration [/u]
I despair....
So with the wrong MP identified and the resulting furore with the BBC, it does seem to be diverting attention away from correctly identifying the MP who may have been involved. Anyone actually investigating that? Or is BBC bashing more important to current MPs and news/media groups?
The BBC bashing is going way OTT at the moment, with even Rupert Murdoch sticking the boot in.
With any luck, the spiralling rhetoric from pundits both left & right in this miserable country will build to a critical threshold and cause all concerned to vanish into a parallel universe, leaving only David Attenborough & wall-to-wall natural history documentaries (plus an archive of John Peel's radio shows, and the shipping forecast).
an archive of John Peel's radio shows
You better not google "John Peel underage sex".
You better not google "John Peel underage sex"
What's wrong with marrying a 15 year old?
Oh, hold on....
You better not google "John Peel underage sex".
Now then, now then... doesn't change the fact that his festive fifty introduced me to Bang Bang Machine's [i]Geek Love[/i] - possibly the greatest record ever made.
Redwood is doing exactly what he is accusing the BBC of - flying off the handle becaus ehe has seen the name BBC and they have messed up
He is not a person whose judgement or opinions I put any real weight to
Given that the BBC loves self-flagellation, I am not surprised how this filters down through the organisation. But there is something strange in this juxtaposition between an organisation with a rotten core and bloated bureaucracy and one still capable of outstanding broadcasting.But watching the way that programmes like Newsnight have been debased over the past few years, I can't help feeling that the former is in the ascendendany.
The only other organisation that likes to beat itself up so publically was the England rugby team a few years ago (Robinson, Correy era) and that was sad to watch too.
Who would want to have Lord Patten batting for them?!?!
This but I know nothing of rugger other than they cheat with blood feign injuries and are generally uncoooth individuals who should not be respected or roles models for our children [ well flash is reading 😉 ]
I also suspect the writtne print are glad to have some weight taken from them re levenson and ther eis a bit of a media fight going on between different outlets
I do not see the written media beating itself up over them all [ prety much anyway] being oinvloved in illegal methods to gain news rather they tell us why self regulation will work then distract us with saville and the BBC
I suspect the DG knew less about the newsnight programme than Murdoch [and others] did about what was going on their watch.
One was really bad reporting the other was criminal- lets not forget this whislt bashing the BBC, who are hated by so many on the right.
FWIW did anyoine know who the newsnight report referred to without the Internet?
Senior Tory under Thacther hardly identifies anyone as there were a few.
Still what a total **** up
With any luck, the spiralling rhetoric from pundits both left & right in this miserable country will build to a critical threshold and cause all concerned to vanish into a parallel universe, leaving only David Attenborough & wall-to-wall natural history documentaries (plus an archive of John Peel's radio shows, and the shipping forecast).
Can I add to that list?
Cbeebies
Horrible Histories
The Thick of It
and Homes under the Hammer
Can I add to that list?
Subject to CRB clearance, of course.
Can I add to that list?Cbeebies
Horrible Histories
The Thick of It
I suspect if we carry on with this we may end up adding the entire output of the BBC to the list of things we want to keep.
"So with the wrong MP identified and the resulting furore with the BBC, it does seem to be diverting attention away from correctly identifying the MP who may have been involved. Anyone actually investigating that? Or is BBC bashing more important to current MPs and news/media groups?"
Unfortunately, yes.
Can somebody please implicate The Archers and Gardeners QT in the Savile scandal?
What always amuses me about the archers [ like the sailing weather] is the fact I have heard it hundreds of times but cannot name any main charchters or shipping areas.
Personally it is thought for the day I would get rid of I dont need a religious person using the days news events as an allegory to preach to me about what they believe
it is thought for the day I would get rid of
I'd give that spot to TJ.
Clergymen and child abuse? Can't imagine that happening.
Hahahaha!
This thread is hilarious, all these people going on about how the BBC has messed up recently and should go back to it's magnificent self.
Hahahahaha!
Rather than realizing that you are seeing the BBC for what it is, a load of utter shite!
You have to go on about how good it usually is and make out that this is just a mistake a slight set back, because if this isn't just a mistake but you getting a look at the true nature of the belligerent soul sucking monstrosity the BBC represents.
Then what does that say about all the years you've spent sitting there looking at what is basically a load of televised idiotic, utterly useless shite?
Hahahahahahahaha!
Are the BBC all part of 'the plot' too?
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Perhaps we should look to Russian TV or Youtube videos for our news?
Perhaps they need to branch out and do a Youtube channel full of outlandish claims with next to no basis in reality?
Expose the 9/11 cover up
Do a this is your life of dear leader of Syria?
You live in the margins of reality Mr K
Now where did you get those frames from ,that some folk thought were nicked, that you were selling?
Any reason why you stopped once folk on STW mentioned it or is that just a conspiracy too far?
Perhaps we should look at having an independent news channel that is funded by the people it reports to and more concerned with the truth than making money 💡
I don't trust any of the major media bodies for good reason, however I have found that when it comes to news relating to imperial capitalists, they tend not to tell you the truth.
Nice hat! but xmas is next month, on the bright side you are far younger than I thought you would be and your neck is far let fat than I was expecting!
Perhaps we should look at having an independent news channel that is funded by the people it reports to
A bit like... what's it called again... Oh yeah.... the BBC?
Perhaps we should look at having an independent news channel that is funded by the people it reports to
A bit like... what's it called again... Oh yeah.... the BBC?
😀
I can't help but wonder if Kaesae is just the world's most elaborate troll - surely nobody can actually be [i]this[/i] unhinged in real life?
Did I miss the bit where Newsnight outed Lord McAlpine?
Kaesae, the frames..............?
I don't trust any of the major media bodies for good reason, however I have found that when it comes to news relating to imperial capitalists, they tend not to tell you the truth.
Can you explain that, perhaps by sharing some of your detailed 'research' with us
imperial capitalists
what about a more mundane capitalist [ FWIW he only added the term imperialist after I kept pointing out he was a capitalist but he never actually addressed the issue directly] how did you get the frames?
Hows the back?
You still on the sick despite the business
He now wants to lecture us on ethics and the truth 😕
I'm a [i]mint[/i] imperial capitalist.
Because I'm minted, obviously 😀
Now where did you get those frames from ,that some folk thought were nicked, that you were selling?
OOh, what did I miss? Linky please?
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/whats-this-joker-on-about
any of his early posts on this forum though- check his profile, given he published his address and medical details, I assume they have been heavily edited by now
Thanks for the links. Over time you forget just how awesome those threads were.
I still maintain that, in a sea of complete lunacy, this post came out as a shining beacon of brilliance (in context, this was his response to a suggestion that alienating all STW forum users might not be a good business model)
You seem to be missing the point renton what i'm doing is to help out bikers. I am not intrested in taking sh1t i've had enough of it and i'm also not intrested in having my frames owned by over opinionated sh1t chucking monkeys. Life in britain for me is pretty simple to describe. when you live in a toliet surrounded my fannies welts and @ssholes you can be sure of 2 things people will try and piss on you and sh1ts gonna happen. It's why we invented the flush.
True to form, the frames are mentioned and he goes silent.
When Lance Armstrong wasn't prepared to argue the allegations against him, it was considered almost as good as a confession........