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So looking to see if many others have thoughts or insights on this as seems there are many more like her. Long story short a close family member who lives in OZ has pretty much over the last year and a half turned into a conspiracy theorist posting on social media everyday about COVID conspiracy and how everyone who has had the jab is going to die, how we are going to a cashless society and won't have any control when they the WEF take our money. How Putin is doing the right thing because there are secret labs in Ukraine and he is protecting his country. Bill Gates and the other American guy are trying to reduce the population through vaccines. Etc etc. Looking into it there seems to be loads of this going around and I'm trying to figure out the reason. There must be lots of money to be made for the clicks and video plays but some of it is complete horse shit and even when shown the unedited video it's glanced over. I've now cut of contact with said person after they got upset a few times when I contradicted their posts. I know I shouldn't get into it but it's hard when u see other older family members starting to question it and loose their confidence. And I'm sure the person in question is having some kind of breakdown. Has anyone figured out where it is all coming from or going through the same with friends or family? Sorry for the rant.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 5:45 pm
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Nope but before I binned off the local “anything goes” FB group there were a few nutters who’d moved on from anti-vax and were now chattering on about exactly these things (cashless society, secret Ukrainian labs, bill gates etc) so they’re obviously getting it from somewhere (the same YouTube vids/influencers, maybe, I guess also their social circles are probably just one big echo chamber now)… so much for “do your own research” 😂


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 5:52 pm
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Oh dear.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 6:18 pm
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Who is the WEF?


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 6:21 pm
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WEF = world economic forum


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 6:40 pm
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Have a look at
stop world control website this is her bible and a great source of information for her. All I see is people trying to profit from it.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 6:43 pm
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My brothers in up to his neck in it all. He’s cut off all contact with the family as “we don’t believe him”. I’m all for listening to different points of view on everything as long as it’s respectful and a two way process. Absolutely no danger of that with him. When mum died he didn’t contact dad for 3 weeks, turns up at the funeral and meal and proceeded to start on my oldest son (11) with it all. Even he saw through him. Very sad.

There’s more and more of it about.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 7:13 pm
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Sometimes I feel like it's enough now, the adults need to take the internet away


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 7:27 pm
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how everyone who has had the jab is going to die

In all fairness, he's right about that one, but then again, so is everyone who hasn't had the jab 🙂


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 8:58 pm
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The Jon Ronson, 'Things Fell Apart' podcast on BBC Sounds is a fascinating place to start trying to understand the mindset of these people.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 9:04 pm
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Tartan scarf
I feel your pain but yours is probably worse as it's in person aswell. At least mine is easily controlled as she in in OZ. I've just deactivated it for now but it is upsetting my mother. Yes there is no debate it's just your not awake like us and your stupid and I can't spoon feed you more. I'm pretty open minded about things and will look at what is posted but when it's laughable I point it out.
Feed apparently within 2 - 5 years but this seems to have increased as it was 6 months when they first started saying it.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 9:06 pm
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The thing I've never understood about conspiracy theorists is why they choose to believe their version of events, which is very often far less likely than the mainstream version. Like covid was created in a lab so George Soros could put microchips in the vaccine. How is that more likely than covid is just another virus in a very, very, VERY long line of other naturally occuring viruses?


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 9:19 pm
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There was an article in The Atlantic* about the looney US congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who spouts alot of conspiracy nonsense, which tried to get to the bottom of why she is like she is. It's a long read

The conclusion (I think) was that people paid her attention, and that was probably reason enough.

Edit: Link needs an account to read. I'll try to get an alternative link.


 
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The thing I’ve never understood about conspiracy theorists is why they choose to believe their version of events, which is very often far less likely than the mainstream version.

Because they have serious behavioural/emotional/psychological issues. The irony of them howling at moon and going on about being sheep when they're the living embodiment of group think.

Strap-in for a long bumpy road because until they recognise they need help, they're simply going to go further down the rabbit hole.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 9:24 pm
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I'm still awaiting my 6G uploads direct from my brain.


 
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@robbie - cheers. Had a riding buddy the same but I could have the occasional discussion/argument with him.

I haven’t turned by back on my brother but I don’t feel there’s much more I can do. Always at the end of the phone if he wants
to talk. He lives alone with his youngest son, I can see similar traits forming there.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 9:45 pm
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Yea she has gone pretty far down the rabbit hole. Cancelled bank accounts. PayPal as they are globalists. The media us TV watchers see is controlled and distorted because it's owned by a very few. I'm just hoping she is not contributing financially to help support this nonsense.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 10:04 pm
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The missus had a pal who went full conspiracy theory mad exactly as outlined by the OP. She's cut her off now after being constantly bombarded with all her links and other crap

I've noticed a couple of new things emerging from these lunatics in the past few weeks, at least that's when I first noticed it

The first is YouTube videos of them "auditing" places that they think belong to the people and as such they should see. Think courthouses, police stations, town halls etc. They turn up with cameras, drones etc trying to film inside the places. When they're inevitably booted out, it's yet more evidence of the deep state covering up stuff.

The second, is the newest line to discredit scientists and researchers. Noticed this a lot when the news came out about successful fusion last week. All lies apparently and all these scientists are faking the results purely to ensure they continue getting funding. Again it's a nice way to discredit covid stuff too as the scientists there were all lying just to get more funding


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 10:35 pm
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There was an article in The Atlantic* about the looney US congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, who spouts alot of conspiracy nonsense, which tried to get to the bottom of why she is like she is. It’s a long read

The conclusion (I think) was that people paid her attention, and that was probably reason enough.

Was about to post the same thing.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 10:41 pm
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Social media has a lot to blame here, recommend more of what you like, go down a rabbit hole and you'll get more and more of the same.

As a 40+ years telecoms tech, 40+ years Radio Ham, 20+ working in a mobile company, the stuff I get to hear from the 5G tinfoil hat nuts and trying to explain to them what the reality is,, oh well they are the same bunch that protest against nuclear power, but end up getting more rads every year from their flights abroad.


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 10:43 pm
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I bet it’s effing tiktok and Instagram and totally gullible idiots.

I mean I saw one the other day “the worst thing you can do is pay off your mortgage” , or how these loons come up with these hair brained schemes…

It absolutely winds me up that a video gets millions of views when you see a spelling mistake in it, morons creating a video for “likes” and other video watchers thinking “that must be correct or that must be how you spell that” , the amount of people I want to slap who can’t spell the basics. There’s one word that nobody can spell and it does wind me up, likely more than it should. I think I really am old enough to really appreciate Room 101


 
Posted : 20/12/2022 10:44 pm
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OP,

Look at this map and make you mind up yourself.

In SE Asia US are encircling Indonesia who once got help from Russia during the war of independence in the mid to late 40s with The Netherlands. After that US started encircling the region especially Indonesia due to Russian's "influence". They seem to have a habit of trying to encircle the "powerful" nations.

US is rather strategic in their approach by slowly "dismantling" nations that don't agree with them. It will come a time when the whole thing will escalate to a point of no return, which in mind is inevitable in the age of information and disinformation.

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Reference from this website.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 12:05 am
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If only China has an ounce of environmental consciousness by recalling the ancient ways of Tao together with respect to the local / regional cultures (not trying to impose mainland China language on Taiwan, HK or Chinese language all over the world), it would be "game over" (influence the other part of Asia) for US/NATO/West.

Fortunately for the West the Chinese has inherited the Marxist mindset of "you will be assimilated, resistance is futile" mentality, resulted in many rejecting them but they are learning very very sloowly.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 12:51 am
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What?


 
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What?

LOL! Don't panic! Don't panic!
I am just saying that because that's the perceptions in that part of the world.
Yes, I agree that the Marxist ideology is backward.

On ya ... what's that "The awake" about? Awake to what? Need appropriate title. (I thought it was a new horror movie title and was looking forward to that, I is disappointed)


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 12:59 am
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Chewkw the awake or woke people are the ones that know what's happening. They have been spouting this buzz word for a while on socials. Sorry you were disappointed but it might turn into a horror movie because they are saying that they are now in control of your body if you have had the vaccine. And they are experimenting with cyborgs. Honestly some of it is pretty far out.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 7:14 am
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So nuclear capable submarines operate in the sea? Interesting stuff!

And it looks like India is being encircled, not Indonesia.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 7:44 am
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I just looked at that stop world control website, surely it's a parody.

If people swallow this stuff, I guess it points to deeper issues.

But I would say that, as I'm a cyborg.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 7:50 am
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I just looked at that stop world control website, surely it’s a parody.

I know, a Mercator projection in this day and age…


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 7:58 am
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The thing I’ve never understood about conspiracy theorists is why they choose to believe their version of events, which is very often far less likely than the mainstream version.

There's at least one signed up to this site and posting on this thread, perhaps she could explain?


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 8:21 am
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The thing I’ve never understood about conspiracy theorists is why they choose to believe their version of events, which is very often far less likely than the mainstream version.

Unfortunately the mainstream narrative is also so full of spin, lies and distortion that it doesn't answer the questions many people have about the reality of their lives.

IMO opinion the first place to start with dealing with the rise in conspiracy theories, is some basic laws on political funding and lobbying. Force a bit more honesty into the system so that the conspiracies have less fertile ground to seed. Of course just one country dealing with the problem isn't enough, we need an international effort to deal with it.

Also IMO conspiracy theories are like a religion, they snare people at low points in their lives, times when they are looking for answers to problems they are experiencing (or perceiving) arguing with the victims who have become trapped is rarely going to work. We need to understand their issues and provide a path back to inclusion. Unfortunately that takes "methodological tools" time and effort most of us don't have.


 
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I just looked at that stop world control website, surely it’s a parody.

Top Experts will reveal their secrets!!


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 8:33 am
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As a 40+ years telecoms tech, 40+ years Radio Ham, 20+ working in a mobile company, the stuff I get to hear from the 5G tinfoil hat nuts and trying to explain to them what the reality is

You've been doing this for 100 years? Makes you think...


 
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In Stop World Controls defence there’s some truth in this image

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Posted : 21/12/2022 8:45 am
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Isn't that an Invisalign advert?

Makes you think...


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 8:52 am
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I find conspiracy nuts fascinating, the more intricate and convoluted a theory is the harder they work to prop it up.

There's a mixture of things behind it, the little dopamine hit our monkey brains get when we think we've spotted a 'pattern' a sprinkling of confirmation bias, maybe a couple of prejudices that want reinforcement...

It's also worth looking for the grift, who's benefiting (not necessarily financially) from these things...

Look at this map and make you mind up yourself.

Needs more coloured dots and accompanying gibberish...


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 9:15 am
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The term "conspiracy theorist" was weaponised by the intelligence agencies to shut down people questioning the official narrative around JFK's assassination. And just this week now we've had mainstream media in the US tell everyone the CIA killed JFK.
Oh the ironing.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 9:18 am
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Pretty much ended my mates marriage

His wife went all in for it, started off with Q-anon, Trump, then went full covid denying, antivax, it came to a head when she stopped the kids having anything from heinz and nestle or watching Disney/Marvel films or anything with Tom Hanks... coz paedophiles & bill gates microchips and of course secret weapons labs in ukraine.
She alienated colleagues, lost friends, had warnings from work.
Things have improved most of her crazier theories came via facebook and theyve tightened up a lot of that stuff & qanon has disappeared up its arse.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 9:29 am
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The term “conspiracy theorist” was weaponised by the intelligence agencies to shut down people questioning the official narrative around JFK’s assassination

Apparently that's another bandwagon jumped on by conspiracy theorists - but this is getting a bit meta. That's in a philosophical way rather than a Zuckerberg way,

https://theconversation.com/theres-a-conspiracy-theory-that-the-cia-invented-the-term-conspiracy-theory-heres-why-132117


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 9:40 am
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The term “conspiracy theorist” was weaponised by the intelligence agencies to shut down people questioning the official narrative around JFK’s assassination.

You'll no doubt be unsurprised to learn that this "fact" is also subject to it's own conspiracy theory.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 9:44 am
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As Hugh Macleod once wrote (and drew), "The market for something to believe in is infinite". This lunacy is filling a gap left by religion. Some people just need a special thing to believe in.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 9:47 am
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This might help the OP get some insight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/series/m0014ywx?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

See also the coming storm, also on BBC, but that's more about right wing trump nutters.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 9:59 am
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The inifinite monkey cage also did a good episode on it...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000dfqn

Very difficult to pull people back from them. Conspiracy theries aren't falsifiable. Any evidence the theory is wrong is just interpreted as another cover up and further evidence it's true.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 10:20 am
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started off with Q-anon,

Wow, in MTB terms that's like taking on the Champery World Cup track for your introductory MTB ride, Q-anon is proper out there bonkers.

Sorry for your mate, must have been horrendous to lose someone to that nonsense.


 
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My SiLs boyfriend's dad was at a lose end a few Christmases back so came to the family lunch. Proceeded to spout his flat earth crap to everyone, I must admit I was fascinated and flummoxed by his thought process, completely irrational but just stated "the bible doesn't mention that the earth is round, therefore it isn't"! A very odd man.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 10:29 am
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There’s at least one signed up to this site and posting on this thread, perhaps she could explain?

Guessing that's aimed at me? Being unvaxxed does not make one a conspiracy theorist, whatever that means.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 10:48 am
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Wow, in MTB terms that’s like taking on the Champery World Cup track for your introductory MTB ride, Q-anon is proper out there bonkers..

I think its started out with pro-Trump stuff and gradually went all in (they live in nottingham so no idea why she was worried about the risk to her kids from Hilarys secret underground child abuse ring!)

When covid came along it was tailor made for the conspiracy nuts and thats when it got worse, more time on the web, less time with real people, and the anti-vax world was already a hotbed of conspiracy and pseudo-science

Sorry for your mate, must have been horrendous to lose someone to that nonsense

He's very much a bloke who keeps his issues to himself and even though Id had hints (another mate had argued with her about some facebook stuff) when he fully opened up about it all was quite a shock. He'd been trying to navigate this stuff for years and stopping his kids from being impacted


 
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The term “conspiracy theorist” was weaponised by the intelligence agencies to shut down people questioning the official narrative around JFK’s assassination. 

Ahh, the JFK assassination conspiracy theory, they feel like more innocents days, don't they? When conspiracy theories seemed plausible and the only consequence was a healthy questioning of authority.
I was fairly young when Oliver Stone's JFK came out, and at the time I happily accepted this as the truth. It wasn't until conspiracy theories became increasingly deranged and damaging that I reevaluated the JFK stuff and thought maybe that is horseshit also, and he probably was just killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting as a lone nutter


 
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I'm guessing that the people who believe in conspiracy theories are the same people who are at risk of being taken advantage of by a cult, and that the main reason that it is happening more often now is that the internet has given the people who want to take that advantage access into everyones homes? So, the motive has remained unchanged but the means and opportunity is now, sadly, radically different?


 
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The term “conspiracy theorist” was weaponised by the intelligence agencies to shut down people questioning the official narrative around JFK’s assassination. And just this week now we’ve had mainstream media in the US tell everyone the CIA killed JFK.
absolutely classic example of things that sound plausible enough for certain people to latch onto, but of course are not actually true! Or at least, there’s absolutely no proof. Although, the CT will tell you there’s no proof that there’s no proof, which is proof. 🤔 Or something 🤣


 
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"Cancelled bank accounts, PayPal as they are globalists"

You know that PayPal closed the accounts of the Free Speech Union and others because they didn't agree with their politics? The FSU in case you don't know has helped fight high profile cases through the High Court, eg where police have logged a non crime hate incident and harassed someone for liking a tweet.
This isn't far fetched conspiracy stuff, it's been taken on by members of parliament who are trying to change law so financial providers can't close accounts of those they disagree with on political points.

There's a growing body of evidence on mrna vaccine harm, including many voices within the medical profession.

Of course there are people who over obsess about these issues, but closing a PayPal account in protest at their actions in denying funds to a free speech organisation, or being a bit untrusting about covid vaccine is hardly an extreme position.


 
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Hobnobs or Bourbons...


 
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Oh dear


 
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You know that PayPal closed the accounts of the Free Speech Union and others because they didn’t agree with their politics?
fake news

a) PayPal isn't a bank, and isn't regulated the same as one.
b) No-one should be using it as if it were i.e. holding their primary funds.
c) The accounts were suspended (not "closed") due to a perceived breach of the T&Cs. This happens all the time (see b), just ask anyone who does a lot of eBaying. You may be think that the reason was political, but AFAIK there's no actual proof of that
d) Less than 10 days later the accounts were re-instated, PP apologised, and re-affirmed their "support for freedom of expression"

global conspiracy, honest mistake, or just something that happened & was dealt with?


 
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global conspiracy, honest mistake, or just something that happened & was dealt with?

Toby Young is the publisher of The Daily Sceptic. Censorship pure and simple.


 
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. It wasn’t until conspiracy theories became increasingly deranged and damaging that I reevaluated the JFK stuff and thought maybe that is horseshit also, and he probably was just killed by Lee Harvey Oswald acting as a lone nutter

The book the film was based on was an interesting read, the story of the original investigation. (On the Trail of the Assassins by Jim Garrison, iirc)

I think conflating JFK theories with QAnon is stretching a disservice to those original conspiracy theorists.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 2:01 pm
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this toby young?
the one that claimed he had no idea how he made it onto eppstein/maxwells contact list?

makes you think... 😉

Hes a grifter plain & simple and he really does push a lot of terrible 'science' on his daily sceptic, from climate to covid he uses some absolutely hilarious self-referencing 'sources'

Theres absolutely a case for questioning scientific theories, but if he wants to be seen as credible and not just by the easily led who are blinded by confirmation bias, he really needs to use credible sources


 
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Toby Young is the publisher of The Daily Sceptic. Censorship pure and simple.
according to who? Himself? A quick google reveals there's absolutely no evidence of that, PP have never said why the accounts were suspended, all of the "conspiracy" allegations come from TY himself - but allegations is [I]all[/I] they are. PP suspend accounts all the time if they are flagged for whatever reason, pending an investigation. Is it completely implausible that there was a legitimate reason for that?


 
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There’s a growing body of evidence on mrna vaccine harm

Harm is a loaded term, but I suspect you know that. Most medicines have side effects, ranging from minor to severe including death. Any kind of surgery under general anaesthesia carries the risk of death.

mrna vaccines are relatively new and we have a growing body of evidence that helps us understand the risk vs benefit to particular groups, for example pregnant women were initially excluded as there was not enough evidence from early testing.

Christ, I am having flashbacks to 2020 now.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 2:16 pm
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Toby Young is the publisher of The Daily Sceptic. Censorship pure and simple.

From the New Statesman of all places:

Yet the issue highlights one of the key misunderstandings that we often have about Big Tech platforms. Just because they appear to be public utilities, and are ubiquitous, we expect them to be required to follow a more significant, scrutinised code of conduct. But they’re not. They’re private companies, with their own rules and regulations. If we don’t like it, we can lump it: as an ardent supporter of conservative causes, Young will know that competition in a free-market economy is king.

But scratch beneath the surface of Young’s claims and you begin to realise that the ban may be more justified than people think. This isn’t just a rabble-rouser trying to keep the home fires burning in a fictitious, bubbly culture war. A Times report has alleged that one of the reasons why PayPal closed the accounts down was for spreading Covid vaccine misinformation – a real harm that puts lives at risk. The R value of false information discouraging people from taking up the offer of perfectly safe vaccines outstrips that of the virus that has killed, to date, 6.5 million people.

PayPal declined to comment on specific cases, but said that it “regularly assesses activity against our long-standing acceptable use policy and will discontinue our relationship with account holders who are found to violate our policies”.

The payments company does have a long-standing issue with banning companies and individuals from using its services, or withholding their cash, without justification. I’ve previously reported on PayPal holding back far more money than Young would likely have in his accounts – and have been inundated with similar stories. Those examples seem to have little explanation, unlike the banning of Young’s accounts, which have been pinned to allegations that he spread misinformation.

The decision is also not as dramatic as Young – whose career has relied on over-egging his strife like a put-upon puppy – makes out. He’s not being silenced, and is not a cri de coeur for certain griftier fringe personalities. He’s still entitled to his opinions, no matter how wrong they may be.

It’s just that PayPal has decided it doesn’t want him to profit from them.

It’s an approach that Young would likely recognise from one of the favourite cases of the anti-woke free speech brigade: if a bakery is allowed to withhold business from customers wanting it to bake a gay cake, why can’t PayPal withhold its services from someone with whom it disagrees?


 
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all these scientists are faking the results purely to ensure they continue getting funding. Again it’s a nice way to discredit covid stuff too as the scientists there were all lying just to get more funding

To be fair, there is a sad and sorry history of scientists actually doing this, which really doesn’t help matters.

As far as the orange dots on that map are concerned, what it doesn’t show are the very large numbers of small bases China is setting up all around that area as it lays claim to huge parts of other countries economic zones. And also it’s expansion into Africa, although that’s being cut back as it’s economy falters.

And also not to ignore the ongoing conflicts along the India/China border in the mountains.

Then there’s North Korea, and it’s rhetoric about Japan’s increasing military expenditure. Russia has form in that area as well.

Chewkw, American and British presence in the Pacific is a response to increasing threats from belligerent and aggressive countries like those mentioned. And don’t forget they’re also threatening countries like Australia and Aotoreoa/New Zealand, who both have historic ties to the U.K.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 2:42 pm
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Harm is a loaded term, but I suspect you know that.

I'm going to suggest you are being kind, and he doesn't know that, or is just choosing to ignore/see selected facts. Ditto the Paypal closing accounts thing... and YouTube, Facebook will happily feed similar rubbish once you've seen one thing


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 2:48 pm
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There’s a growing body of evidence on mrna vaccine harm, including many voices within the medical profession.

Citation needed. There are no vaccines, or any other medical procedure or drug that doesn’t carry a risk of some sort. Just look at the packaging with any over-the-counter remedy. mRNA treatments have been around since the early 70’s, but are still being developed, and of course some people will react adversely. I have personal experience with this.
Anyone remember Thalidomide? That had terrible results on a generation of children, but it’s still in use successfully, but with greater knowledge of its side effects.

One of the mRNA side effects is reduced blood platelet count, along with clotting. The contraceptive pill does the same. As does pregnancy.
Please explain how to go about balancing those risks.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 2:57 pm
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all these scientists are faking the results purely to ensure they continue getting funding. Again it’s a nice way to discredit covid stuff too as the scientists there were all lying just to get more funding

To be fair, there is a sad and sorry history of scientists actually doing this, which really doesn’t help matters.

Some no doubt, but not all. It's like accusing any population subset of adopting the same behaviour based on the actions of a select few


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:03 pm
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There’s a growing body of evidence on mrna vaccine harm, including many voices within the medical profession.

There’s a growing body of evidence on mrna vaccine benefit, including many voices within the medical profession.

Which body of evidence is larger? And how many voices on each side?


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:04 pm
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Build back better

Now a conspiracy theorist would say that a large number of the world's politicians appear to be following a script. Are they wrong?


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:11 pm
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^^^ that video played following the advert for "this jet engineer just discovered how to heat homes for almost zero cost" 😂 how appropriate

assuming I can't be arsed to watch a video by the "Whyte Wyzard", what's the TL;DW?


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:14 pm
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Regarding bodies of evidence, point missed.
https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

speed may have come at the cost of data integrity and patient safety. A regional director who was employed at the research organisation Ventavia Research Group has told The BMJ that the company falsified data, unblinded patients, employed inadequately trained vaccinators, and was slow to follow up on adverse events reported in Pfizer’s pivotal phase III trial. Staff who conducted quality control checks were overwhelmed by the volume of problems they were finding. After repeatedly notifying Ventavia of these problems, the regional director, Brook Jackson (video 1), emailed a complaint to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ventavia fired her later the same day.

That's just one report. There's plenty more out there. So perhaps redneck cousin Jeb in Australia has a perfectly good reason for harbouring various suspicions. It's only a short while ago that we were forced to stay at home unless shopping for essentials, and then only if we followed arrows on the floor while wearing useless masks, at pain of arrest. I don't think you can blame an upswell of dissent on "the internet".


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:22 pm
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I think it's clips of people saying "build back better" but I'm not sure what it's got to do with paypal or mrna vaccines that grimep was previously talking about.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:22 pm
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I think this thread is about conspiracy theories, the WEF was mentioned?


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:24 pm
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Build back better... Conspiracy theorists.... The WEF...

Is this all news to you guys?

https://www.weforum.org › 2020/07 To build back better, we will have to reinvent capitalism">World Economic Forum https://www.weforum.org › 2020/07 To build back better, we will have to reinvent capitalism


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:26 pm
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Now a conspiracy theorist would say that a large number of the world’s politicians appear to be following a script. Are they wrong?

They are not wrong based on the evidence from the video clip. These are dangerous people at the helm sometimes causing massive problems in the world.

The video clip is funny in that the politicians etc are trying to use slogans like "build back better" or "great re-set" as if most mortals can only digest simple key words. Are they trying to compete with Trump's slogan of "MAGA"? LOL! Talking about the lack of imagination and what a bunch of insanity. Some of them should retire peacefully rather than adding fuel to fire.

Most people in power only can only see things their own way and always think they are above ordinary mortals. Power has got to their main brain like a virus. (the song from Cyprus Hill "insane in the brain" comes to mind).


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:27 pm
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Politicians have always spouted stuff like that
Constructing a conspiracy theory out of it seems a remarkable waste of time!

Anyway whats really going to set the crazies off is that there are loads of new mRNA vaccines in the pipeline, against Malaria, Herpes, TB, Ebola, a combined flu & covid one, shingles... all in trials now or shortly- stuff that could have a huge impact on real world problems and this type of mRNA delivery tech was really pioneered for use against cancer and theres still lots of progress being made there too.

It would be terrible if that work is blocked or uptake reduced because of some ridiculous conspiracy peddling grifters


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:35 pm
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It would be terrible if that work is blocked or uptake reduced because of some ridiculous conspiracy peddling grifters

Problem is who is right in the age of information/disinformation?


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:41 pm
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Is this all news to you guys?

No, everyone is familiar with it. Its a well trodden predicable path that, I dare say, most of us know whats going to be typed before it is.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:41 pm
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and then only if we followed arrows on the floor.

I never followed the arrows. Makes you think.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:41 pm
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I never followed the arrows.

You were probably on the receiving end of one my Very Hard Stares


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:49 pm
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Honestly I even got openly tutted at once. I felt the shame of it all the way down the empty dried pasta shelves...


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:52 pm
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I preferred lockdown. The solemn one way silent march around the supermarket was much better than the current chaos and trolley rage.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 3:55 pm
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My local Tesco had a loop that you couldn't escape in the bread isle if you didn't disobey the arrows. Thankfully we all made it out alive (as far as I'm aware) .

BBC sounds have a good series on disaster trolls as further evidence of bonkers conspiracy theorists.

Unfortunately most conspiracy theories has grains of truth but with big leaps between the grains.


 
Posted : 21/12/2022 4:05 pm
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