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Will book mark this topic for when the usual suspects are criticising tax avoidance, big corporations, fat cats, mass production models, made in China nonsense and everything else people get hot under the collar about....but defend vociferously when its their beloved Apple doing it....priceless.
Currently using an iPhone 5S for no other reason than its a decent 4 inch device, most Android handsets with a 4 inch screen and dubbed mid-level or budget offerings and the spec falls accordingly....at the high end i personally think the HTC One-M8 is probably the best smartphone around at the moment but at nearly 6 inches long it just doesnt fit in with my daily activities at the moment...
....the two 5S's we have (my other half has one too) are no better or worse than previous Androids i've had, her one in particular does the random reboots that all phones are prone to from time to time, we've both had frozen screens and on start-up they can be laggy and stuttering as most 'computers' are when they wake up for want of a better expression....they are no more integrated into their ecosystem than my previous Nexus devices were and some of the lack of options in the menu system (what menu system?!) when trying to get things done, do two things at once, navigate back to where you were etc are non existent with Apple and can be incredibly frustrating if you're used to the flexibility of Android.
They are pretty to look at and in a society obsessed with looks this obviously counts for a huge amount, i dont get the pull of Apple products either and thats with currently using an iPhone and having an iPod (which is arguably worse sound quality than the Sony MP3 i had before) but iTunes does seem to have an unparrelled content of music i'm looking for so i persist....if HTC would do the One-M8 in 4 inch size i'd have that instead!
rumple - Member
shame that the people who make the goods live in poverty
I agree.
gobuchul - Member
Biggest profits in history!Apparently if they were a country they would have a GDP similar to Denmark.
The majority of their profits are held in tax havens and can not be paid out to shareholders. They are sitting on nearly $200 billion!
Rich getting richer...
here ye go! 😆epicyclo - Member
seosamh77 - Member
...people that come out with the just works mantra shall be first up against the wall come my revolution!
I have a computer that doesn't work - am I saved?
https://www.digitalskills.com/resources?f%5B0%5D=field_content_categories%3A42
Not bad numbers for a product that lacks basic functionality.
I have a cheap android personal phone and a work iphone 5s. I'm not a 'phone person' and have no particular allegiance or anything like that.
The other day I took a photo on the iPhone and tried to send it to a mate by Bluetooth. Apparently it's not possible on an iPhone. Bizarre.
The screen is nice though and it scrolls really smoothly. Dunno if the iPhone 6 scrolls even more smoothly?
They've build some great products - doesn't matter if you like them or not or even if they're any good at what they do as a product to sell they're perfect.
They're not very ethical though, but very, very few big businesses are - there's a theory that because each decision they make is compartmentalised throughout the organisation and has to suit people who aren't involved in the process (share holders and customers basically)
If it was a person, rather than a organisation it would be declared a psychopath or having narcissistic personality disorder - shareholders cannot empathise with say factory workers because they don't know they exist (in real terms) and refuse to be held responsible for them because "they only investors", the board cannot empathise with the workers because they only serve to uphold the shareholders interests and customers might empathise but what good does it do because all the competition are thought of being equally as bad.
The day it becomes profitable to be ethical or indeed a fair tax payer they will respond.
The 'device' market is hugely competitive - if a new player entered the market and built a factory in Sudan training up locals and paying them fairly to life them from poverty and then paid a fair amount of tax in the countries they operated in - their goods would cost more than Apple, Samsung and the others - would there be enough of a market for these ethical devices to make it all work? I doubt it.
[i] drslow - Member
You need to remember the golden rule of business in our society, to make money. This means keeping costs low to maximise profits. It would take a monumental human behaviours shift to address this. [/i]
I'm not sure that any of the contributors to this thread have indicated that they feel making profit is bad, in principal.
Call me Chuck, hell, call me crazy ole fool, if you want to. But right here, right now. I'm going to take a chance and state that I [i]think[/i] almost everyone on this forum, at least understands that private sector companies probably need to make a profit, in principal.
That Apple makes a profit isn't itself an issue for most, AFAIK. I believe the issue is that Apple have accumulated vast quantities of cash held off shore and so therefore beyond the reach of the tax man. Who, as we know, is usually strapped for a bit of cash and could always use a little more.
Imo, Apple probably need to find a way to redistribute some of that wealth. Pay their CT, give out a wage rise, increase the dividend, something. Sadly it would seem that their bean counters have a fairly monochromatic view on what to do with all that cash.
I say hand over 35% as CT and then put as much effort into finding the most constructive method of ensuring such a huge cash store doesn't occur again, in the future. As they have thus far, in ensuring they haven't had to pay any tax on it. To date.
They're just waiting for a GOP president, then they can get a tax amnesty on overseas profit and bring it all back home tax free.
They're not very ethical though, but very, very few big businesses are - there's a theory that because each decision they make is compartmentalised throughout the organisation and has to suit people who aren't involved in the process (share holders and customers basically)
http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/13/5407406/apple-2014-supplier-responsibility-progress-report
I have a cheap android personal phone and a work iphone 5s. I'm not a 'phone person' and have no particular allegiance or anything like that.The other day I took a photo on the iPhone and tried to send it to a mate by Bluetooth. Apparently it's not possible on an iPhone. Bizarre.
I've yet to get pretty much any BT connection to work properly, the only thing I've got that works is a small speaker.
I find email much more efficient.
If Apple set up its own state and JY moved there...
...would all his posts be autocorrected?
Got loads of apple products, mainly purchased so I can get them out in cafes with my top button done up and pretend to do creative nu-media designs for cool global brands so provincial tourists can smirk at that designer winker over there with his macbook drinking a latte.