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I think there’s a certain amount of irony in the pissing incident but I’d say that he was urinating on the gatepost and probably due to inebriation and being a plank hasn’t noticed his faux pas.
Bet He doesn’t appreciate the irony of effectively Undermining the whole reason of the event and becoming a defining image of it.
"Just a bloke at a protest"
Lol
The politics of the pisser are, at this time unknown.
The act, however, is fing repugnant & he deserves everything he gets.
Attempts to defend the act are questionable at best & unconscionable at the worst.
Is it beyond reasonable doubt that he couldn’t see it when it’s less than 2ft from the end of his cock.....Oh yeah, well beyond reasonable doubt...
As for the Urinator, I put that down to him being drunk, not deliberate. If it was deliberate he'd be peeing onto the memorial.
I'm reluctant to assign any other motive than an urgent bladder - who wants to look like Mr Pissy Fluoro Pants at a demo?
Apparently he's handed himself in to the police.
If it was deliberate he’d be peeing onto the memorial.
Lets face it - most blokes could get closer than that and still miss. Its a shameful image but its difficult to attribute intent from it.
If it was deliberate he’d be peeing onto the memorial.
Exactly this.
As for the nazi salutes I've seen exactly the same at football matches and music gigs where there is some chanting going on.
The Daily Hate really has no sense of irony at all does it.
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From the paper that has done more than any other to make Britain less tolerant.
The picture of the guy having a wee next to the memorial...
I’m conflicted. I almost want him to have done it deliberately because it would just confirm what I already think of the bunch of ****s who travelled to London for a ruckus yesterday.
However, my initial thoughts on seeing it were that he wasn’t weeing directly on it and that he’d done the stereotypically male thing of finding some kind of a corner as soon as he couldn’t hold it in any more.
You’d think someone would have a look and say “hmm, this is some kind of memorial...oh cripes, it’s for that copper that was killed...” and quickly zip up and find somewhere else. I think most of us here would do that. However, we don’t know what he was thinking. I’d assume if he’s charged, his defence will be “I didn’t know/realise guv.” Making it the defining symbol of our disgust at yesterday’s actions may well end up with us with egg on our faces if/when he’s cleared because it can’t be proven his act was deliberate.
A lot worse was happening yesterday than some dumbass not realising he was having a slash next to a memorial. A bunch of far right idiots proved that no matter what you give them in response to their tantrums (yes, the B word that even some posters here were predicting that not giving it would lead to riots), that they’ll just keep coming for more.
Attempts to defend the act
WHAT ?. the act, the right, the something ? to piss in the street. Yes disgusting.
Or the act of pissing on a memorial while drunk, and without a toilet for love nor money.
But again im not defending anything other than the right not to be falsely accused.
“Just a bloke at a protest” Lol
From the pic yes. Obviously. Lots at this protest for a number of reasons, plus a number of people passing through,people taking advantage of the crowds to get out, any of a dozen things.
so im a bit confused as to the lol bit.
I mean looking at the pic, thats not unlike a jogger, especially with those soft trainers he's wearing. Shorts too, and a t shirt.
All in all the model of a far right thug you say 😕 with his back turned too.
I mean looking at the pic, thats not unlike a jogger, especially with those soft trainers he’s wearing. Shorts too, and a t shirt.
Really?, this is your argument for defence?
Don't take up a career as a defence lawyer, you'd be ****ing shit
I mean looking at the pic, thats not unlike a jogger, especially with those soft trainers he’s wearing. Shorts too, and a t shirt.
I understand you’re trying to play devil’s advocate here dude, but this paragraph isn’t a great look for you.
I can accept that intent is difficult to prove.
I can’t accept that it isn’t beyond reasonable doubt that the pisser didn’t knew the plaque was there.
I dread another call crying for help.
I'm most scared as Jnr is off to secondary in September, a 20 min walk from home. He's not the most streetwise and particularly I'm having to educate him not to be nosey (e.g. even looking at people can get you noticed in the wrong way), and this bit of the letting go process is scary enough as it is.
I'm probably luckier than you Faerie in that I live in a very mixed area of North London 'burbs away from any football stadiums, and he'll be amongst crowds of kids on the same journey but still...
I don’t care about the skin colour of either party. I dont care if he was a gobby little shite and literally asked for it. That was unnecessary and should be condemned not applauded.
Did you miss the video involving the Petrol comment? If someone nasty enough to even think that, he deserved it. And, if you watch the video you're referring to carefully, no one else in the group either touched him or was the aim of the Finger and other expletives, he picked on the biggest dude there, who taught him a lesson.
To your point, you are right. Violence is not to be applauded and will not solve this, and he should have been tended to in retrospect. But I think you need to have an emotive appreciation from the Black perspective to fully understand it.
From the pic yes. Obviously. Lots at this protest for a number of reasons, plus a number of people passing through,people taking advantage of the crowds to get out, any of a dozen things.
so im a bit confused as to the lol bit.
When Tommy Robinson puts out the call to come & defend some monuments from non existent BLM marchers & you still go , you get there & Paul golding is there with a Britain first banner & you stick around to get largered up.......
Yes I'm going to assume you're a racist ahole
I wouldn't bother merely assuming
@TheGreaturd
Throwing insults about are we ?. That always lends weight to any debate.Have one back
I’m afraid you’ll have to explain what an urd is. It’s not an insult I’m familiar with.
Violence is not to be applauded and will not solve this, and he should have been tended to in retrospect. But I think you need to have an emotive appreciation from the Black perspective to fully understand it.
I've been on a lot of demos.
There will always be a violent element that will attend a certain percentage of gatherings.
THAT'S HUMAN NATURE.
To focus on it, as the media are doing now, is to disrespect the legitimate and justified actions of every single peaceful individual, whether they march or not.
It's a distraction technique. And it appears to be working.
BTW, Kryton, I've found your posts on this subject to be heartfelt and extremely thought provoking.
So the DM wonders what has become of tolerant Britain
I wonder 🤔
This isn't "demos" anymore though, to put it succinctly its this
https://twitter.com/HS161UK/status/1272112006108270594?s=20
And its true
BTW, Kryton, I’ve found your posts on this subject to be heartfelt and extremely thought provoking.
Given my shitty history on here I'm not sure if you're taken the piss or not - thats a comment thats says more about me not about you Rusty. If its genuine and has provoked some thought I'm pleased it has helped, but likewise there are many others that have contributed.
I know a lot of prominent black people are posting on social media with the general context of "its not over" and certainly I'm no expert - Im very much still learning - despite my close proximity to issues but I think it helps when people like Faerie are brave enough to write down their own experiences for us all to consider in our daily machinations.
You know, It was always my aim retire to a detached house a little away from "people" in either Spain, Essex or Herts and Mrs K was always more reluctant despite the fact we both have a shared dream to sit in piece and enjoy our own company in retirement. Now I'm starting to understand why, because that means moving her further away from her culture and any sense of belonging she has.
After watching those videos - and as I say we live in quite a mixed area - I doubled checked every locked door before I went to bed last night. Makes you think eh.
its not like hecwalked into a grave yard and pissed on a stone.
He urinated on a memorial to a dead person, so it’s exactly like that.
I have no interest in defending the guy so I wont post anymore on it, but it really isnt the same.
Let's be honest, we all knew that a pissed up hooligan was going to piss on a memorial. It was a given, it was number one shot on the photographers list. They would have been in competition with each other to see who gets it first. It was predicted.
The actual (unpredicted) shot of the day was the Good Samaritan at the Battle of Waterloo.
I take no pleasure at the 'lad' getting a licking but the event was as symbolic as any statue. It sends out a clear message to the far right, if you come to make trouble, you'll lose. Most of the yobs were salt and pepper sargeants a couple of years from drawing their pensions. The events of the day suggest there isn't many new recruits to the lower ranks, whilst on the other side the numbers are growing exponentially
No mate, I'm certainly not taking the piss.
I have an extended family which includes people of various races and religions, but I had become complacent.
It's taken recent events to kick me up the arse and make me realise exactly how blind that complacence has allowed me to become.
Love to all.
Black Lives Matter is a club you don't have to be black to join, you only have to be with it to be in it.
This is what frustrates the RW the most, they misunderstand it, mistaking it for previous movements. The reason they holler 'Marxism, Antifa and far left' etc is not just because they are trolling, they genuinely don't have the tools to figure out what is going on and are being comprehensively outmanouvered at every turn. The philosophical roots of BLM rest in black thought, not Western Enlightenment thinking. Some of us get it and more of us are getting it.
This is what frustrates the RW the most, they misunderstand it, mistaking it for previous movements.
I've always marched under leftist banners:
Pro union.
Pro peace.
Pro feminist.
Anti nuclear.
Anti racist.
And most of all, anti fascist.
Equality has always been a given. So we thought.
We assumed that being anti something would automatically ensure that racial equality would just happen.
How wrong we were.
From anti semitism in the party I've supported all my life to the tacit acceptance of institutionalised racism, we failed.
Not any more.
No more excuses.
Time to listen.
As far as I understand it the block who turned up early at Trafalgar Square, then those after have rejected the SWP and moderate voices
It's a different ballgame
timidwheeler
SubscriberI’m finding some posts on this thread quite disturbing. There seems to be a genuine enjoyment of the violence and disorder, like it is all a fun game. It isn’t and someone is going to get killed if it carries on.
I am always perfectly happy to see racist scum get hit, tbf. But also, in this case it's rather lovely that they've publically disgraced themselves, especially right after all the outrage (false and otherwise) about the BLM demos, and then that their shitty "show of force" got humiliated.
I'd rather none of it had happened at all, and that we didn't have a load of racist scum just itching to come out and cause trouble... But we do, and if they must try it then this is as good a way for it to go down as I can see. Tolerating intolerance has hard limits and tbf we're past them, have been for some time.
There's been racist riots in Glasgow today, I really don't know what to say 😔
In the 1980's Margaret Thatcher took on the football hooligans, in 2020 Boris Johnson takes them under his wing.
it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant pressure sign, or some other non descrip road sign.
Only by an illiterate retard
The case for the defence rests.
There’s been racist riots in Glasgow today, I really don’t know what to say 😔
Racist riot is maybe a bit strong. From what I've seen it was mainly overweight middle aged loyalists and wee neds posturing, who got a bit uppity "protecting" statues and the Police managed to contain them.
...unless there has been other riots elsewhere?
hey dyna-ti,of course its fake news.Any idiot knows that the whole of London contains very little in the way of walls.The couple of feet that the gentleman found just happened to have a memorial to a man who was murdered trying to stop terrorists.
So what do we do now?
Protesting isn't going to create a fairer society.
I'm too old to crack heads and frankly, I don't want to.
My old fella, who was born in 1916 and was at Cable Street tought me that best form of protest was your behaviour toward others.
I've tried my damdest to be a decent man, but that doesn't seem to have worked either.
What now?
Where do we go from here?
Where do we go from here?
One thing thats been echo'd time & time again is an understanding of what it is that culture, race and symbology means to us all and an education thereof. In my simple view, we need representation that can advise and educate on these issues made up of relevant representatives to listen and advise.
The key word here is "listen".
You’d think someone would have a look and say “hmm, this is some kind of memorial…oh cripes, it’s for that copper that was killed…” and quickly zip up and find somewhere else. I think most of us here would do that. However, we don’t know what he was thinking. I’d assume if he’s charged, his defence will be “I didn’t know/realise guv.” Making it the defining symbol of our disgust at yesterday’s actions may well end up with us with egg on our faces if/when he’s cleared because it can’t be proven his act was deliberate.
Indeed, we don't know what he was thinking. But we can infer (from the fact that he didn't take care to avoid pissing on any memorials), that respect for memorials isn't high on his list of priorities. And therefore that although his little gang claimed they were only massed in central London because of their tremendous respect for memorials, this line of reasoning was in fact a complete crock of shit and they are actually just a bunch of racists.
If he gets cleared it'll probably be a page 19 footnote, rather than the headline that this picture was IMO.
One thing thats been echo’d time & time again is an understanding of what it is that culture, race and symbology means to us all and an education thereof. In my simple view, we need representation that can advise and educate on these issues made up of relevant representatives to listen and advise.
The key word here is “listen”.
Yeah this.
I was working with a black MC once. He's quite political. I asked his real name, and he told me, but said he preferred to go by his 'street name'.
He pointed out that a lot of Caribbean people like to go by other names. If you're of black Jamaican descent, then you're probably of African heritage. And if your surname is 'Jones', well, that's not an African name. It's more likely the name of your great-grandfather's owner. And it's the name on your bank card, and on all the forms you sign.
Must be quite a thing to carry around, to have that constant awareness. A little daily reminder of your history, that you need to bury otherwise it might send you slightly mad.
I had never thought it that way (this guy has since given me a lot more to think about) but that conversation really opened my eyes. Especially as a white kid from a provincial market town, where I just didn't meet people of different cultures growing up.
Doris, thanks for that. The colossal realisation of that when I found out brought me to tears.
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The key word here is “listen”.
Yes. You're right.
My partner is African and as is the custom, she has two first names, one African, one English.
Guess which one she puts on a job application?
Rusty,
When you said 'equality is a given, or so we thought,' you sum up the blind spot within the Liberal mindset, acknowledging the culpability of those like us. It's a good example of the observation that it's not enough to be non racist, you have to be anti racist, you have to be conscious.
Where do we go from here? Hold tight I guess. Since the end of the Cold War we've had Neo-Liberalism, Neo-conservatism, Post Modernism, New Labour, Neo-Marxism and a host of other 20th Century ideologies that have been picked from the Enlightenment tree, given a re-tread and found not suitable for purpose when confronted with 21st Century realities.
My partner is in Nairobi at the moment and the other day she reflected how the European model of Law and Order, an inheritance from British rule, was alien to the needs and culture of African people. African societies had survived from time immemorial with their own ideas about justice, ones that saw social justice not in terms of crime and punishment but crime and atonement.
The next day I saw Trevor Noah respond to the question, 'what is the one thing he'd liked to have bought with him to the US from South Africa?' He responded 'the ability to talk about race' and he cited the truth and reconcilliation commission that was set up there.
I correlated this with what my partner had said and realised that the truth and reconciliation commission stemmed from an African consciousness and mirrored what she had been saying about crime and atonement. The West needs to realise that it's intellectual and philosophical toolbox is incomplete and accept that the continent of Africa might have more to offer than just music and entertainment, it might proffer some ideas that could enlighten our enlightenment.
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All I will say is that forgiveness is overated.
Hate is underated.
And true atonement takes an awfully long time.
Black Lives Matter is a club you don’t have to be black to join, you only have to be with it to be in it
Yep. Part of the success might be the 'call in' rather than 'call out' culture within it. There seems to be a real desire from people to work out what they have been blind to and a willingness to help that happen.
https://twitter.com/StanCollymore/status/1272275198935543808?s=19
12-18 months would do for me
I have to admit I did find the video of that daft oik stalking across the road in such a threatening manner, his whole posture was saying ‘come on if you think you’re ‘ard enough’, then back-pedalling as soon as someone calls him on it, and gives him one, was rather edifying.
I’ve seen someone do exactly that, four of us were on our way round to a mates one night in another mate’s car, and this bloke was walking along in the middle of the road. We beeped him, he turned around stuck his fists up, all cocky, exactly like the bloke in the video, I got out of the passenger seat and grabbed my mate’s Maglite, walked round the car and shone it on the bloke, who then started walking quickly backwards, still with his fists up, going ‘come on, come on...’ as he disappeared down the road!
Same sort of ‘hard man’, until confronted. A dick, basically, and a coward.
some nsfw very offensive truths. A different Dave Chappelle, I’m finding this tough:
Similar to a few guys on here I’m married to a lady of African heritage. Father in law is Tanzanian, mother in law is second generation English/African. The only thing I have to add is that humans are generally all selfish regardless of skin colour, religion, or where we were born. My father in law was sent over to England for his own protection. His family are 100% African, but were successful land owners. Their land was taken from them, there lives were threatened. All during the Ugandan and Tanzania conflict in the 1970s. It was a lot more violent than a few words on a forum can express. Worth a google to those interested in recent history.
I’ve also spent a fair amount of time in a number of African countries , the wealth gap is enormous. Without wanting to be mellow dramatic, humans are inherently nasty greedy people. Don’t believe that all African countries have a working law and order system. Some really don’t. It’s human greed and desire for control.
I hope this doesn’t seem like I’m labelling an entire continent as corrupt, just want to add some other opinion to those on here. (I loved most of my times over in Africa, met loads of amazing people but also some incredibly saddening sights)
As an aside, my daughters are 11 and 12, they’ve been taught very little about the British past in Africa. When my wife talked them through our history of slavery, they were astonished. Their teaching was almost positive, their initial thoughts were we were helping the slaves get jobs. Really is something we shouldn’t ignore and kids need to understand how wrong it was and the centuries of hurt it has caused. My daughters are very proud of their heritage, for certain school days they wear traditional clothing from Tanzania, even my youngest who has inherited my Celtic genes. I’ve a welsh dad and an Irish mother.
The only thing I have to add is that humans are generally all selfish regardless of skin colour, religion, or where we were born.
👆This plus their politics.
Where do we go from here? Hold tight I guess. Since the end of the Cold War we’ve had Neo-Liberalism, Neo-conservatism, Post Modernism, New Labour, Neo-Marxism and a host of other 20th Century ideologies that have been picked from the Enlightenment tree, given a re-tread and found not suitable for purpose when confronted with 21st Century realities.
Someone recently mentioned to me Cultural-Marxism ... I have never heard of that before so that's new to me. Regardless of who they are and at the top of the chain you will find that greed rules all over them it's human nature ... greed.
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All I will say is that forgiveness is overated.
Hate is underated.
And true atonement takes an awfully long time.
In my home town we just let it be and we don't mix. We do but not common. Things are getting slightly better, just slightly so we just live along side each other without causing anyone any troubles. They don't want us so we let them be and start our own. i.e. certain jobs are meant for certain race with certain religion only. Our race riots are not like your protest street fight and much more dangerous and life threatening. For now we have peace and we hope to keep it that way but our world most corrupted politicians will soon be released and I sense something bad will happen ...
Without wanting to be mellow dramatic, humans are inherently nasty greedy people.
That's really not always true (just like all generalisations). It's also a bit of a low quality insight at a time when we should be listening and learning, tbh.
People are often shitty towards out-groups, and often very decent towards in-groups. The issue is that what constitutes in and out is very flexible and can change depending on context.
I think this is responsible for the majority of racism these days. When people have a different skin colour or speak with a different accent they can be put into a variety of out-groups immediately before you know anything about them.
Cultural Marxism = exactly what it says on the side of the bus.
Although a term applied variously in the 20th Century it came back in to usage when Steve Bannon used it to describe contemporary right wing strategies. It basically means that the end justifies the means, the greater 'truth' being more important than the actual truth, ergo alternative facts.
BJ, DC, JRM, MG, NF and the majority of the RW press fit the contours of a Cultural Marxist like a pig fits into a pig shaped cookie cutter.
Comparing African Countries on a like for like basis with European Countries is a category error. In Europe we find that most countries are named after the language spoken within, or at least there is a strong correlation.
The borders of African countries reflect a European 'idea' of Africa and in no ways represent the linguistic, tribal or cultural history of Africa. Additionally, native customs, traditions and political cultures were obliterated.
Upon independence, after decades of colonialism there was little memory of what came before. Instead, newly independent African States were bequeathed a system of governance that had been designed to oppress the very people who were about to take the reins. They have been dealt a pretty rum deal and have had to deal with that inheritance as best they could. Independence also came with conditions, one of which was the demand that vast swathes of the land remained in European hands, only some of the land was returned.
Facts worth considering when we consider the performance and achievements of African States in a (semi) post colonial world.
EDIT,
Sorry to sidetrack the thread from discussion about the important protocols of pissing.
Molgrips, my point was about education. Children are taught very little about slavery or capitalism (greed). Maybe wrong words but I hope you get my gist. My kids honestly thought after a lesson at school that slavery wasn’t all that bad, that colonialism was about helping other countries develop.
Part of the equality element is for us to accept that we (Europeans) in our bid for money and power (greed) we did a lot of incredibly despicable acts that are still hurting other countries, continents and even entire races. But part of that education has to be about how people profiteered, not just company names, but individuals, government and individuals in government. But not just African slavery, we need to teach and explore Colonialism as a whole, from the French, Spanish, Portuguese and of course British. Kids have to understand how it was wrong, not just that it happened.
But we also must ensure events like this do not happen again. Not just slavery, but capitalist based wars, corruption in government etc. That may be the British government with recent history of how we treated Ireland or even Teresa May and the Windrush generation, or even how it happens in less developed countries.
Slavery was based on greed and to an extent religion and of course prejudice. Wars are still happening now for these very reasons.
Piss boy got 14 days
Piss boy got 14 days
However, notwithstanding that the guy is an utter ****, if you've had a drink and want to avoid jail, or even a fine, what do you do?
However, notwithstanding that the guy is an utter ****, if you’ve had a drink and want to avoid jail, or even a fine, what do you do?
Bring an Alpine pee bottle ? 😆
https://www.alpineascents.com/blog/pee-bottle-and-pee-funnel/
apparently one of the right wing papers described the rent amob as "anti-antifacist protesters" 😀 . There might have been a more succinct way of putting it, though that may have offend some of it's readership.
Interesting video for those that didn't know quite how messed up US police is (I didn't) and how likely/easy it is to ever change
👍 Thanks kerley very enlightening
Well, it's all going to get sorted in the UK because Joris is going to launch an enquiry. It's going to be world-beating.
Well actually it isn't. For myriad reasons:
1. It is something De Pfeffel dreamt up to be seen to at least be paying lip service.
2. It will report findings in six months. The basic hope for De Pfeffel here is that everyone has grown tired of it all by then. Cue sounds of something rolling into long grass or a metallic container rattling down a road.
3. If it produces anything marginally embarrassing he will just cross it out in sharpie.
4. This government doesn't have a sparkling record when it comes to releasing the evidence found by inquiries (see Foreign Interference & Brexit report).
5. De Pfeffel is already trying to frame it as 'an enquiry into why BAME people feel victimised'. The classic victim-blaming slant.
6. They (and we) will be too busy driving the country off an economic cliff.
So, apart from all the above, I think it will be a world-beating inquiry. Bigly.
Poundshop Trump gets more like the real thing every day.
The crowing, strutting, guffawing fat ****.
Mace-ing a kid in the face is pretty messed up !!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/15/outrage-video-police-mace-child-seattle-protest
find an alley with some bins or something to go behind? Really not hard 🙄However, notwithstanding that the guy is an utter ****, if you’ve had a drink and want to avoid jail, or even a fine, what do you do?
Even better, don't go on an all-day outdoor drinking session when you KNOW there aren't going to be any toilets open?
Bit of a difference between '....having a drink' and swilling down 16 pints as he claims to have done.
14 days is laughable.
I couldn't give a shit what he got, the bloke followed a call to arms from Tommy Robinson.
He deserves everything he gets
Well, it’s all going to get sorted in the UK because Joris is going to launch an enquiry. It’s going to be world-beating.
Lammy was outstanding on R4 this morning, I thought - we've HAD reports, we don't need another, Johnson needs to implement what's already known.
Announcing the report on the back of the BAME/Covid report cover-up, not a good look...
When I reported a teacher to the police (having exhausted the official non-existent route of complaint) for racism, I had a visit from the chief superintendent to ask what my definition of racism and institutional racism is.
I had to ask if he'd read the MacPherson report for starters. There's no point in inquiries if they're not going to follow up with the recommendations set out.
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I should also mention that I got a visit from the social work too, as they were concerned about my mental health, and if I pursued my case it may harm my children and they would have to intervene.
That's so sad to hear. 🙁 I've learned a lot in the last three weeks - one of them has been how horrifically prolific that kind of thing still is, from my blind white privilege position I would have said it was largely a problem of the past, but jeez, I've seen some videos over the last few weeks, and it's definitely not just a US problem.
I'm investing heavily in Kryton's keyword.
A useful guide:
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I was very guilty of making a judgement yesterday and found myself very conflicted. Next to our house we have a gated alleyway (access to properties refer of shops). The gate is inset from the road, about 12ft in and has a wall one side and the fence to our front garden/side passage which is 3ft high.
Anyway, two blocks turned up with a bag full of beer yesterday, and proceeded to use the little inset as their personal bar. They stripped of to the waste, hung their t shirts on pour fence, were white, heavily muscled, covered in tats and were speaking in what I assumed to be some kind of Eastern European language whilst pacing up and down aggressively, speaking very loudly.
Notwithstanding its hot and we have all the windows open, I found this uncomfortable and suspicious because my brain was screaming "racist football hooligans/thugs". I wanted to call 101, but they weren't doing anything wrong.
This went on for two hours, during which I was stressed, angry and wanted them gone but not particularly wanting to go out and challenge them.
Well, after 2 hours, they collected up all their empty bottles and vanished, no harm done. *shrugs*
HO - LEE - ****.
The way the shadows fall, four silhouetted guns pointing at the victim shows it for what it was. Execution by firing squad.
I'm not sure I agree with that TBH. The police were arriving at a scene where they were expecting an armed crazy guy. It turned out that said guy was indeed crazy, and armed (yes, apparently only with a BB gun, although the police didn't know that). When a crazy guy with a gun ignores the firm requests of police and reaches for his gun, I can't really fault the police for wanting to stop themselves getting shot.
I mean, there are loads of other worrying issues at play, such as why do so many people own guns in the states, access to mental health support, homelessness etc. But I'm not sure this is an egregious case of police brutality. We've seen lots of footage of terrible crimes committed by police. This morally ambiguous video moves the conversation away from those terrible crimes.
@superficial obviously I've never been in that situation, etc etc but surely that is the exactly the kind of scenario for tear gas/Taser, etc? Approach behind a shield? Got to agree with inkster's interpretation tbh, looks like a firing squad 😞
A call was made about a homeless guy at a bus stop. An entire police squad shows up and wastes him.
Just watched it, It astonishes me that this sort of shit can be allowed to happen in a so called "Western Democracy"
The police were arriving at a scene where they were expecting an armed crazy guy. It turned out that said guy was indeed crazy, and armed (yes, apparently only with a BB gun, although the police didn’t know that). When a crazy guy with a gun ignores the firm requests of police and reaches for his gun, I can’t really fault the police for wanting to stop themselves getting shot.
That's, err.... That's pretty objectionable. Taser would have been just the job against a homeless pisshead, a two second volley from, what, four SMGs - about 8000% overkill.
But that's what happens when you give the police shiploads of money, almost total immunity from prosecution and train them that people are bad. Don't think they get much training at all, comparatively.
They were not SMGs, they were AR15/M4 shooting a lot of 5.56. The difference is semantics really, either is arguably overkill for that distance and that situation and the lack of backstop means that someone in the carpark behind them could have picked up a round from a miss or ricochet.
The above is the least of my problems with that video though, it was absolutely horrific to see someone get effectively executed.
I stand corrected on the arms.
First came across this guy a year ago. Din't know what to make of him at first. My initial thoughts were that he was a college educated Liberal Hamming it up as a 'woke' redneck.
Turns out he's an ex military contractor who went off the rails to become a survivalist anarchist turned journalist. Quite a character!
However, his analysis of why and how things happen in videos like the one just posted is astonishingly articulate. On another video he breaks down the Nascar / battle flag debate perfectly as well.
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MemberI’m not sure I agree with that TBH. The police were arriving at a scene where they were expecting an armed crazy guy. It turned out that said guy was indeed crazy, and armed (yes, apparently only with a BB gun, although the police didn’t know that). When a crazy guy with a gun ignores the firm requests of police and reaches for his gun, I can’t really fault the police for wanting to stop themselves getting shot.
I mean, there are loads of other worrying issues at play, such as why do so many people own guns in the states, access to mental health support, homelessness etc. But I’m not sure this is an egregious case of police brutality. We’ve seen lots of footage of terrible crimes committed by police. This morally ambiguous video moves the conversation away from those terrible crimes.
You have got to be kidding me, right? Did you watch the same video as everyone else? Did you not just see an old homeless man get executed by firing squad? There's no ambiguity about it, this is extra-judicial murder.
**** it!
Is that a video of a man being shot dead?