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So how did this get on to rights and wrongs of soldiers? 😆
EXTENT OF PREJUDICE IN BRITAIN REVEALED BY NEW RESEARCH
22 October 2018Prejudice against minority groups in Britain is "shockingly widespread" according to the first national study of prejudice for over 10 years.
The first national study of prejudice in over a decade, led by academics from Birkbeck and Kent reveals “shockingly widespread” experiences of prejudice affecting different groups in Britain.
A representative sample of nearly 3000 adults was surveyed, along with an additional survey of minority groups to ensure sufficient numbers to provide confidence in findings. The research, just published by the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC), found that in the last year: 70% of Muslims surveyed experienced religion-based prejudice; 64% of people from a black ethnic background experienced race-based prejudice; 61% of people with a mental health condition experienced impairment-based prejudice; and 46% of lesbian, gay or bisexual people experienced sexual orientation-based prejudice.
People were also surveyed about their own attitudes towards other groups. Encouragingly, only 10% of people disagreed that there should be equality for all groups in Britain, but when pressed further, around a third of British adults felt that efforts to provide equal opportunities had gone ‘too far’ in the cases of immigrants (37%) and Muslims (33%).
And many expressed overtly negative feelings towards particular minority groups, with 44% doing so in the case of Gypsy, Romany and Traveller communities, 22% in the case of Muslims (22%); and 16% in the case of transgender people.
Around one-fifth of respondents said they would feel uncomfortable if either an immigrant or a Muslim person lived next door (19% and 18% respectively), and 14% said they would feel uncomfortable if a transgender person lived next door.
Attitudes towards mental health presented a complicated picture. Nearly two thirds (63%) considered that efforts to provide equal opportunities for those with mental health conditions had ‘not gone far enough’, but a quarter (25%) expressed discomfort with having a person with a mental health condition as their boss and 29% were uncomfortable with such a person join their family (e.g. as an in-law) (29%).
Professor Diane Houston from Birkbeck, and Professor Dominic Abhrams and Dr Hannah Swift from Kent, who led the study, commented: “Relationships between different groups in society are in a state of flux. This evidence provides the vital benchmark against which we can track and respond to changes in people’s experiences and attitudes as British society faces some increasingly strong headwinds both nationally and internationally.”
David Isaac, Chair of the EHRC, said: “It’s very clear that some people are still conflicted about equality and that prejudices still risk fostering discrimination in Britain. It’s disturbing that some people feel comfortable expressing negative views about others – especially members of the Gypsy, Roma and Traveller, Muslim and transgender communities.
“Openly voicing negative attitudes can hinder constructive debate about the barriers people face and creates divisions and mistrust in society. Understanding people’s attitudes and the extent of prejudice in all its forms is key to unlocking the barriers that may hold many people back.
“This report sets out a workable model that we believe the government should build on to understand the current state of prejudice and discrimination in Britain. One person's gain does not mean that others lose out. If everyone gets a fair chance in life, we all thrive.”
By bringing together a set of measures of people’s experiences of prejudice and of people’s attitudes, the survey provides the most comprehensive picture available of prejudice and discrimination in Britain, and helps us to understand the impact of prejudice on people’s lives.
http://www.bbk.ac.uk/news/extent-of-prejudice-in-britain-revealed-by-new-research
Talking of Blair, I noitce both him and his equally abnoxious and hypocritical wife have been given air time to express their views. I haven't enjoyed such good rants at a televsion screen for a long time. The Middle East envoy who donned a Jewish cap when he met the Jews and a suit and tie to meet Arabs wearing Arab clothing.
Frank,
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just try to see the army in a non sentimental and non political way and have no desire to drag them into this debate.
I just reported what I witnessed, a group of people defending a war memorial from pigeons, some one else bought up the fact that there might have been ex army present.
And no dig, but the most pertinent thing for me is that the actual names on the war memorials didn't choose to be a soldier either but when it came to it they chose to do the right thing for humanity. War Memorials celebrate the heroism of the people, not the Army.
inkster - you wrote '....but the most pertinent thing for me is that the actual names on the war memorials didn’t choose to be a soldier either but when it came to it they chose to do the right thing for humanity. War Memorials celebrate the heroism of the people, not the Army'.
How very true.
they chose to do the right thing for humanity.
If they have the luxury of being on the winning side and history recording it that way.
Some of the statues now being toppled have now ended up on the wrong side of history having been on the right side of it when the statues were made.
I’ve not seen anyone attack a war memorial rather than a statue like the Churchill one, unless I missed it?
No, but you saw fit to say this:
You can’t really be a useful soldier without having violent tendencies I imagine
So you know where you can get to.
Edukator,
The way thing are developing, particularly with the statue issue has had a calming effect on me rather than winding me up. When I see the usual experts and commentators pontificating on the screen I just laugh. Events are moving faster than their brains can cope with and they are yet to realise they are not in control of anyrhing.
It is as if these same old faces have aged ten years in a fortnight and their ideas with them. Its been refreshing to see different faces and voices being being heard in the media, omes who can respond to a debate thats about right and wrong, not left and right.
The coronavirus has put the youth of the world on furlough and any idea that they are going to sit it out for a year and wait for things to get back to normal is preposterous. They're not going to stop pushing and will steer the debate where they want it to go.
Sure we've seen all this before, Paris 68 and all that. The difference this time is that:
"They have all......the time....in the world...."
Edukator again,
I think War Memorials memorialise the lives lost more than the cause they lost it for. They acknowledge that the majority of names depicted did not want to die and did not want to kill anybody.
Statues and memorials are different, one commemorates, the other celebrates.
No, but you saw fit to say this:
You can’t really be a useful soldier without having violent tendencies I imagine
So you know where you can get to.
Big man.
There's no excuse for casual stereotyping, especially on a thread rooted in racism. You could have said 'Ok, sorry', but you didn't.
Get to ****
Here in Pau we've got memorials for people who lost their lives in two world wars, Algeria, Indochine, recents conflicts, various memorials to resistants in approriate places, Spanish civil war victims and fighters, deported Jews. I don't need to say which fallen soldiers and militia aren't commemorated. Statues of WW1 generals, a king and even one put up in 2012 to commemorated the end of slavery - which has just had white paint and "white lives matter" written on it. 🙁
A German group wrote a song about a memorial "they built us a memorial and every complete idiot knows that sours love". The lyrics are quite prophetic, though no doubt unintentionally:
The very nature of the job is to be violent on command, is it not?
It’s regarded as a necessary job by society. I’m sure there’s some reason important to you why no one can state the obvious.
You seem intent on being an obtuse idiot. I shall leave you to your own pursuits.
You know where to get.
Bye
Do youse not think the discussion on whether soldiers are goodies or baddies deserves a thread of it's own?
seosamh - yes, different thread required; time for mods to step-in.
Yes, it needs Windsor Davies to step in and tell us all to 'SHUT UP'
Ho Ho! Maybe Don Estelle could sing it to us.
Greyfriars Bobby next. Didnae like cats.
Even the head of the local Police force recognised that sometimes, the right thing to do is for once take the side of the little man.
I was pretty impressed how they handled it tbh.
The Bristol police certainly made the right decision given the circumstances, though you have to ask wether police stepping back is to do with intelligent decision making or complete lack of resources. In Bristol it does look like the former but nationwide I'm not so sure.
Where I live in Manchester there has been for a few years now certain estates which have become no-go zones for the police. If they enter the estates they get attacked because the gangs know they outnumber the police.
I see Boris has weighed in on the subject via his pals favourite medium of communication, ****ter.
I hope a known racist commenting doesn't inflame things.
There's a sea of change amongst The Merchant Venturers in Bristol
https://twitter.com/SMVBristol/status/1271524079510700032?s=09
*Edit it's worth reading their statement in the thread
Faerie,
The people of Bristol had pursued the democratic process and seemed to have come to a resolution only to by thwarted at the last minute by the merchant venturers, the least democratic of institutions. (A similar situation exists around the Cecil Rhodes sculpture in Oxford.)
The response from the Merchant Venturers is positive. I took your advice and dug into the thread, where opinion seems to be equally divided between 'too little, too late' and 'better late than never.'
Better late than never for me, the response itself made no excuses. It has also exposed how the influence of non elected bodies can arrest the democratic process and how this pertains to the governance and development of the city in General. So a win for BLM and a win for democracy in general.
Far right thugs giving Nazi salutes now whilst ‘protecting‘ the Churchill statue. Beyond irony.
Did they not get the memo that BLM-LDN cancelled the protest scheduled for today, 3 days ago. So now the police are protecting a statue, from people who are protecting a statue from people who aren't even there.
'Lads' Army
Was it, as Boris says 'absurd and shamefull' when the statue of Churchill was boarded off last year for the million mask March? Or for the May Day protests in 2001? Or when the occupy protests happened in 2008?
Seems to me that every 5 years or so the authorities make a sensible decision when there's a threat of protests getting out of control. In any other time a Mayor of London would have been seen to be doing the right thing.
Yup shame that a "lads army" has to step in and protect public property from vandalism.
Surely the cops should be doing that ? That's what tax payers pay them for
Absolute state of them
'lad's army' - the hard of thinking.
Is that video genuine?, are they really chanting that?
sounds dubbed to me
Yeah the kick drum is overlayed for sure, i dont have much confidence in the audio at all.
It’s a looped audio from some other incident.
Don’t know who ‘prolestar’ news is but their factchecking/hearing is appalling. Note that 100’s of people have said as much on twitter but prolestar haven’t yet removed the bogus clip. That’s not just stupid it’s horribly dishonest and just serves to worsen the situation they are claiming to protest.
For the majority of those that have turned up today it's got nothing to do with protecting statues. It was about getting tanked up and looking for a ruck. Or from the footage I've seen it was about running towards the police, doing some kind of flappy dance and then running backwards.
Looking at twitter it seems the fash have been split up and are being hunted down and being given a kicking all around London :thumbsup:
That sort of shit is exactly what antifascists are actually for, takes me back...
Looking at twitter it seems the fash have been split up and are being hunted down and being given a kicking all around London :thumbsup:
Every instance of this I've seen is a masked gang surrounding a random person percieved as vunerable, generally one of their own, hitting them from behind before pilling in. Sounds like nothing new today unless you have footage.
Johnson wanted these clowns on his side in the culture war
Now he owns this
Funny that the right wing press were so excited about how BLM were going to trash the statues, but now it's the far right thugs that they , Farage, Robinson, Johnson, Patel etc whipped up who are literally pissing on memorials
Far right thugs giving Nazi salutes now whilst ‘protecting‘ the Churchill statue. Beyond irony.
Any evidence of this? I searched in google images “ nazi salute london protest london 2020” and found nothing on the first page. The protestor seem to have both hands extending upwards, is this the new nazi salute?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/13/black-lives-matter-protests-london-statues-racism-churchill/amp/ racism-churchill/amp/
Scroll down to 12.40pm
Don't entertain baboon
Its beautiful seeing all the facists crying on twitter/facebook about being smashed out of London
That’s a scary level of racism, for those of us with young mixed/black kids.
The BBC described it as protesters 'attacking police & raising their arms'
😏
Kryton57
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That’s a scary level of racism, for those of us with young mixed/black kids.
Agreed
So many people desperate to try & make out these guys aren't racists too 🙄
They’re either racists or ****s or both
10 year jail sentences for desecrating war memorials apparently. At least that's what the government are planning to introduce according to the Telegraph.
Murderers get less. They are literally valuing property more than life. This isn't so much a piece of proposed legislation as a fatwa, a blasphemy law.
This government are face planting their way into history with the same alacrity as Edward Colston.
inkster - a different perspective is that murder sentences should be heavier.
You might want to broaden your range of sources; the torygraph cannot be used as being representative - unless, of course you are sir herbert gusset or 'angry from tunbridge wells' and use green ink.
BTW, I don't think you're sir herbert and you don't live in tunbridge wells but....you get my point.
Pissed up shit-heads and losers showing clearly who and what they are.
Inarticulate drunks with nothing better to do with their time; their usual flat roof pub hangouts are closed so they point and grunt at statues with absolutely zero understanding of the individuals on the statues, the history of the subjects and the times in which they lived.
Thick as pig shit.
A few may have a modicum of intelligence but it is hugely misguided.
The meat-heads don't have the basic intelligence to know they are being used.
'Protecting' a state of Churchill whist making a nazi salute? Referring to them half-wits is far too generous; microcephalous idiots is a better description
What did the daleks repeat in Dr Who? Was it....exterminate, exterminate
I can give the daleks a target group.
Maajid Nawaz (LBC) set out a reasonably coherent explanation for what’s happening on his show today as follows:
- the New York Times has run two articles on Russia‘s intention to stir up racial conflict in the USA to ensure Trump gets re-elected - the most recent being:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/10/us/politics/russian-interference-race.html
- Russian and Chinese social media bots have been seeding social discord on both sides of the Atlantic with hundreds of thousands of fake Black Lives Matter social media accounts that have stirred things up in the USA and the U.K. (the latter by focussing on Churchill). Twitter have confirmed this but Facebook have yet to confirm:
China is stoking racial conflict to avoid scrutiny of Covid and its cover up.
Lastly, Russia has been stoking up tension by simultaneously pumping Black Lives Matter AND funding the hard right e.g. supporting Tommy Robinson:
Why was scumbag Tommy in Russia and who was he meeting?
The Socialist Workers Party (hard left) have been pulling the strings with BLM U.K.
So we basically have Russia simultaneously fuelling the hard left and hard right in the Uk in order to fan disorder and willingly enabled by social media companies. Likewise China has been helping out to distract the world.
If this is correct, everyone is being played by China and Russia.
Russian and Chinese social media bots have been seeding social discord on both sides of the Atlantic with hundreds of thousands of fake Black Lives Matter social media accounts that have stirred things up in the USA and the U.K. (the latter by focussing on Churchill). Twitter have confirmed this but Facebook have yet to confirm:
The linked Forbes article doesn't mention any Churchill stuff
Lastly, Russia has been stoking up tension by simultaneously pumping Black Lives Matter
Likewise no mention of BLM in the other link
Nawaaz is a bit of a crank, no?
A more coherent story is that people are pissed off with systemic racism & Nazi ****s don't like it (& Tommy just wants exposure so he'll happily go to Russia where he'll get a far friendlier reception from the government)
Both China and Russia gain from fomenting disruption in democracies on all issues; in US, for example, it runs from George Floyd through to presidential election.
The subjects of their interference are not the biggest issue.
The fact they can, and do, interfere at will without any significant pushback should scare all of us absolutely shit-less.
To use a hackneyed phrase '....we're through the looking glass here people'.
Vlad has certainly impaled donny on....something; Xi is the '....yellow peril' made real.
Saturday's events in the UK have been typified by pissed-up, inarticulate meat-heads; they have, very effectively, ended their 'cause'.
The despicable bag of cells masquerading as a 'human being' who pissed on/near to pc keith palmer's memorial should be named, shamed and get 10 years - or a garotte.
Don’t entertain baboon
Did I dare to disagree or ask for sources? By entering that google search I should see plentiful of nazi salutes I would have thought. What I have seen in videos and images, are people raising both hands up, the same way football fans do. Nobody is denying the may be far right...
Frank,
You've lost me. I simply quote the headline from the Telegraph and you say that the intel might not be 100% on that one.
The Telegraph, the same telegraph that floats every prospective Tory policy to test the water. The same Telegraph in which Tory ministers post more op eds than they do in all the other papers put together. The same Telegraph that Boris.....oh well.
What's the likelihood of the law getting passed? Close to zero. The point is this is the narrative the gov't are pushing through their favourite outlet.
When you say I might broaden my range of sources what the he'll are you on about?
EDIT,
I googled the term gaslighting, now I get what you're on about.
Of course Russia and China stand to gain from sowing discord. Espionage didn't stop when John LeCarre put away his typewriter. Likewise facebook and twitter will be churning out bullshit wittingly or otherwise. These things are priced in.
The pissed up moron who pissed by the memorial should be named shamed and pilloried, nothing more. Locking him up would be a cowardly gesture, a distraction and an egregious false equivalence to the cause that BLM espouses.
If there's any punishments to be handed out, the tagger of Churchils plinth should be fined no more than he would be for tagging any other public property and the pisser should be fined the standard penalty for public urination. To do anything else would be to make inanimate objects sacred. And we know where that leads...
Don't care how much of a tree hugger you are, stone and steel don't have feelings.
https://twitter.com/john_mcal/status/1271916606000685056?s=20
Still buzzing over the events of yesterday.The Fash are in absolute dissaray
https://twitter.com/CuttingEdge_Lee/status/1271945530990567424?s=20
And this is the nub of it all, Tiny Tommy made a video whilst coked up to keep himself relevant then backed out once he read the lie of the land
https://twitter.com/Reverend_Makers/status/1271903126027673603?s=20
Will be interesting to see what he does next, or if anyone else will be daft enough to step up
Although I can’t condone violence, watching that Racist ****er meet his nemesis in that latest clip was quite satisfying.
Nobody is denying the may be far right…
MAY be far right?
surely It's blindingly obvious to even the most desperate apologist for them, that yesterday's statue defending patriots are just far right thugs
https://twitter.com/mi6rogue/status/1272080316837003264?s=20
"BRITIAN FIRST"
You couldn't make it up.
Memorial pisser has given himself up
https://twitter.com/CrimeLdn/status/1272086504014258176?s=19
The far right have been claiming that he's a plant/crisis actor
Brit Ian first?
Is that their leader, or the lad who gets first dibs on the pudding?
Much as I dont want to defend far right hate filled ****wits, he was probably just drunk and having a piss, he's not even pissing on it and its not a huge monument is it and its not like hecwalked into a grave yard and pissed on a stone.
10 year jail sentences for desecrating war memorials apparently. At least that’s what the government are planning to introduce according to the Telegraph.
Smells like a populist government who Misread the lay of the land scrabbling around on Facebook to get back on the populist horse.
I don't think the guy pissing knew the memorial was there, so any news or talk about that is total fakery.
Easier to disperse a crowd if there are no toilets open in the vicinity. Why do you think they shut them first off ?, to save from damage, or to stop protesters making a day of it.
So such a tactic is undemocratic isn't it.
prolestar
haven’t yet removed the bogus clip. That’s not just stupid it’s horribly dishonest and just serves to worsen the situation they are claiming to protest.
Or you pump out as much fake anti right material you can make up to discredit the real material/cause.
I’d do that and I’ve a feeling it’s what’s happening going on my Facebook feeds.
I don’t think the guy pissing knew the memorial was there, so any news or talk about that is total fakery.
😂😂
What his pissing on the memorial was fake and his ignorance of what the memorial was is his defence?
Surely an upstanding patriot like himself would've been well aware of its significance?
“BRITIAN FIRST”
You couldn’t make it up.
People have pointed out this is photoshopping because the misspelling is not present in other photographs of the crowd (see also bra and pissed shorts).
its not like hecwalked into a grave yard and pissed on a stone.
He urinated on a memorial to a dead person, so it's exactly like that.
Pissed (or not) shorts guy also videoed kicking a policeman in the back & has been identified as a lovely guy from sunderland
What his pissing on the memorial was fake and his ignorance of what the memorial was is his defence?
Surely an upstanding patriot like himself would’ve been well aware of its significance?
Oh yawn.
Hardly prominent is it ?, in fact it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant pressure sign, or some other non descrip road sign.
I'm finding some posts on this thread quite disturbing. There seems to be a genuine enjoyment of the violence and disorder, like it is all a fun game. It isn't and someone is going to get killed if it carries on.
Still buzzing over the events of yesterday.The Fash are in absolute dissaray
I also don't find that video at all satisfying. I see a short male in a confrontation with a group. The biggest of whom punches him in the head as he backs away. His hand is open, he never forms a fist or looks like he intends to swing a punch. He falls to the ground and clearly hits his head off the tarmac. They jeer and leave him unconscious on the ground.
I don't care about the skin colour of either party. I dont care if he was a gobby little shite and literally asked for it. That was unnecessary and should be condemned not applauded.
?, in fact it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant
I'm loving that you're so desperate to defend this far right clown that you're best defence is that hes got the urination instincts of a dog 😜
it could be easily mistaken for a hydrant pressure sign, or some other non descrip road sign.
Only by an illiterate retard.
@timidwheeler weird take
In case you missed the memo the Far right have risen pretty much unopposed over the last 10+ years, with people like Farage becoming the "acceptable" face and always on TV giving his opinion. At a lesser scale Tommy Robinson with his cult following, Hopkins spewing bile on Twitter
Nothing has stopped their rise, if yesterday has to be repeated then so be it
I hope that the video I shared isn't doctored, there's no need to mislead and there were plenty of images which portrayed the horrific events accurately.
Like Kryton57 I fear for my kids, they've been attacked multiple times already over the years and my eldest is only 12. The aggression they receive increases when there's talk racism on the news. I'm glad that we're in lockdown, as I dread another call crying for help.
I’m finding some posts on this thread quite disturbing. There seems to be a genuine enjoyment of the violence and disorder,
Not necessarily enjoyment but rather a case of they get what they deserve, personally I hold absolutely zero ****s for concern over the far right tubby micropenis ****ers