Surprised no thread on here? Utterly insane. America is angry as hell..
https://twitter.com/Breaking911?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
The whole things a madness but its been coming for years American police are just localised milita gangs killing (mostly) black men with impunity. I've lost count of the number of stories i've read where unarmed black men are killed for being black or white mass murderers are led away safely
Watch this clip of a 4yr old tring to comfort her Mum after her Dad was shoot and killed for going to get his wallet
https://twitter.com/StaceyHarkey/status/1266087420061048832?s=20
This Twitch stream is the one to watch
You've also got the Karen movement of phoning the cops trying to get Black people arrested/shot
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I know he doesn't help and is heavily symbolic of the situation and exacerbates it, but it's a systemic issue that goes much wider than trump I'd say...
To counter the horrific scenes.
This dude should be held up as a national hero in all this madness and an example to follow.
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America is angry as hell.It appears so. Strange, life seems pretty good to me. There’s an African chap at work that I like to think of as my friend, he’s always very polite when I see him in the corridor. Maybe I’ll ask him why black people are so angry.
eh?
Not even 5 posts in and already the racists are here
"You should protest peacefully"
*person takes a knee*
"NO, NOT LIKE THAT"
When there is unchecked systemic racism in the American police resulting in the persecution and murder of black people, and when even peaceful protests are attacked and vilified, then it's natural for people to be angry.
People riot when their voices aren't heard.
One of the causes to this seem to me to be that the local police are poorly vetted on recruitment and poorly trained.
Could be a false impression but watching the various police camera action type tv shows there seems to be a huge gulf between the professionalism shown by british cops compared to the US cops.
Thats the root cause of the police shootings perhaps?
Also, very low accountability for their actions. The police simply aren't held to order because of the political control they have with the ludicrous system of having an elected judiciary and state prosecutors.
If you don't have independent courts of law or prosecution then don't be surprised when the results are also partisan and biased. In this instance, racially.
To put it simply, state Attorneys General normally won't prosecute police officers because the police are able to make their political life a misery.
Not much better in Birmingham UK:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-birmingham-52690082
The article fails to notice that all the victims of the officer's violence were black.
It appears so. Strange, life seems pretty good to me. There’s an African chap at work that I like to think of as my friend, he’s always very polite when I see him in the corridor. Maybe I’ll ask him why black people are so angry.
I sincerely hope you are not so racially prejudiced and ignorant that you can’t see what’s going on in front of your very eyes. If I were you, I’d hope your friend is as friendly as you think before ask him that question. And to roll out the “I have a black friend” line in 2020 is dispicable.
Don't try and complain about cops if you're black.
And a more general article on West mIdalnds police racism:
"However, 18 officers over the period were dismissed without notice because of complaints about racism. Between 2014 and 2017, 41 officers were given written warnings following investigations."
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/revealed-shocking-number-west-midlands-15435791
Forgive me, but this looks like the police being held accountable, which doesn't happen without huge public protest in the US.
There is endemic racism in police forces across the world, however, the biggest issue in the US is that it usually goes unpunished even when it ends in someone being killed.
The UK police are far more accountable than their US counterparts.
Probably just me, but it seems that in England a police officers attitude is 'I uphold the law'. Whereas in America the attitude seems to be 'I AM the law' and if the shows you see are anything to go by some of them seem to get a kick out of the power they hold over people, not a good thing!
But not accountable enough. 18 dismisals, 41 written warnings, 95 current investigation and zero prosectutions.
If you're a bad cop then you'll be held to account for some bad things, and in the West Midlands there is no shortage of bad cops:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/disgraced-police-officers-sacked-forces-16383556
However, if you're a racist bad cop it'll take public outrage over a video to get you anything more than a dismisal, possibly. Hopefully the cyclist beating, tazering kicking racist cop will get prosecuted for racially motivated crime as well as just the tazering beating etc. Don't count on it.
Take special note of the Kingsly Burrel case.
"In October 2017 the officers were acquitted at a trial at Birmingham Crown Court."
Just out of interest Edukator, why did you instantly spin the thread from what's happening in the USA to something that happened here?
What happened to George Floyd is sickening. The footage is heart breaking. The office responsible should be charged with murder and not third degree murder. Chatting to a friend in Colorado yesterday and he thinks people are at their wits end, peacefully protesting doesn’t work and what’s happening now has been brewing for sometime.
I wholeheartedly agree with what Hugo and TJ have posted. Very naive of me, but it just makes me sad and angry that people are treated differently. To the point where your skin colour can literally mean life or death.
My brother and his family live near Minneapolis. They are are rural but in the same county as the riots and are under curfew. Spoke with them on Zoom last night, they have kids at home and understandably they are pretty scared.
Tellingly my SIL who is a local mentioned the rioters were coming into "white areas", how are white areas even a thing? I know it happens here too but the segregation there is stark. She decried the standards of vetting and accountability in the police and said the officer concerned had been involved in 12 previous complaints against him for abusive behaviour towards black people. Hearsay, obviously and not fact checked but shocking if true.
My SIL's family are Midwestern farmers and have a fairly conservative world view, good people but we joke with them about being rednecks, not entirely without some truth. Even they acknowledge the system is rotten and racism is rife in the police, and in wider American society. It's everywhere I know and the UK has nothing to crow about but it does seem to be even more deep seated and endemic in the US.
Just out of interest Edukator, why did you instantly spin the thread from what’s happening in the USA to something that happened here?
He's the equivalent of an ex-smoker.
Because people were slagging off Americans for something that's a problem almost everywhere. Racist police.
It was specificaly in response to this from TJ:
Could be a false impression but watching the various police camera action type tv shows there seems to be a huge gulf between the professionalism shown by british cops compared to the US cops.
As an irregular reader of the Birmingham Evening mail (I was born there) I "instantly" thought - bollocks, the only thing that's missing is the guns, the atttitudes are the same, and span it that way with the abundant evidence on hand provided by the West Midlands police. There's more, I've stuck to the recent stuff.
He’s the equivalent of an ex-smoker.
When you know someone's right but don't like what you're reading attack them personally.
Oh, so you're a MAGA
Maybe I’ll ask him why black people are so angry.
Hols2: people of colour are not some homogeneous 'mass' and treating them as such is racist. Instead of asking your 'black friend', why don't you read a book instead?
National Guard marching through residential areas, shouting at peopleto go inside.
why don’t you read a book instead?
Coz they're made of kryptonite!
Oh, so you’re a MAGA
If that's aimed at me I'll take it as a second personal attack. Keep 'em comming kiddies. This is just like a Birmingham playground in the 70s.
Twitter now full of videos of cops beating old guys who can barely walk, police 4x4s ramming at protestors, police provoking peaceful demonstrators, arresting journalists if they're the wrong colour.
Half the country excitedly stroking their AR15s in anticipation of having to use them. Police have tanks, bombs, machine guns, space marine body armour, militias which have the same, lots of very very angry people, many of whom have just lost their jobs & have no welfare net, a killer disease stalking a country & it's fully exploiting & exposing their ridiculous system of healthcare.
And all presided over by a bitter , senile naracissist who lacks even the most basic sense of common decency
Fk knows what happens next
Killer Mike from about 1:55
Killer Mike's speech was just amazing.
To be entirely fair, whilst there's much police asshattery, there's also much peaceful protest and police soldarity.
https://twitter.com/tomakeupwityou/status/1266920326182641670?s=19
When you know someone’s right but don’t like what you’re reading attack them personally.
It's not a personal 'attack' really is it? Just a comment that as an ex-resident of the UK you are more likely to notice negative news from here. Just as ex-smokers are the first to smell smoke. I'm not even sure it's a negative comment.
It wasn't that @pictonroad, it's a standard tactic of alt-righters to derail the narrative (take a look at kthopkins Twitter feed)
I'm sure he'll find a way to shoe horn in #georgefloydscriminarecord or Muslims into the argument at some point
I totally understand the protests. I get the trashing of Police cars.
Breaking into shops and nicking stuff is using the unrest as an opportunity to rob with impunity.
Pictures on tv from the US of shop owners sitting on their roofs with guns in case the looters come knocking. What a mess.
The whole things a madness but its been coming for years American police are just localised milita gangs killing (mostly) black men with impunity. I’ve lost count of the number of stories i’ve read where unarmed black men are killed for being black or white mass murderers are led away safely
That's simply a lie. The police kill more white people.
Black people are disproportionately killed however and this is in the context of the slavery legacy, Jim Crow, and structural issue this has left behind.
Indeed the video is horrible, not just the unnecessary (and probably sadistic) use of force but its symbolic value of a black man virtually under the boot of a white cop.
Good & bad cops everywhere.
Some have weapons, some have not.
I wish they were all perfect, but we live in an imperfect World. That doesn’t make it ok to be a bad one though, but it does make it harder for the good ones to shine. Certainly I’m not excusing what’s been done - this sickens me as much as it should any other. We shouldn’t stereotype type the Police anymore than they should stereotype us - if you do, well then you’re part of the problem too..
I’m very pleased ours aren’t routinely armed to the same extent as their US counterparts.
US cops actually do frighten me, they seem barely under control. I have no issues whatsoever talking to the Plod here, but I give CHIPS a wide fing berth..
It’s unbelievable that not much has changed since this was written:
It's not a lie Rydster. The people killed with impunity are mostly black men. Others are killed but without the same level of impunity. I think you misinterpreted what was posted, it's the impunity aspect that provokes the strong reaction. If police officers unlawfully killing were given similar sentences to other unlawful killers there wouldn't be the same problem or reaction to it. The problem is wherever cops have a sense of impunity whether it's in Birmingham Alabama, Birmingham UK, Paris Texas or Paris France.
I have no issues whatsoever talking to the Plod here
You're not an 18-year-old black living in Handsworth.
Also, very low accountability for their actions. The police simply aren’t held to order because of the political control they have with the ludicrous system of having an elected judiciary and state prosecutors.
If you don’t have independent courts of law or prosecution then don’t be surprised when the results are also partisan and biased. In this instance, racially.
To put it simply, state Attorneys General normally won’t prosecute police officers because the police are able to make their political life a misery.
This has been covered by me in the trump thread - American law is specifically constructed to make it almost impossible to take the police to account for their actions; in order to do so the plaintiff has to prove that the exact same set of circumstances have happened before, and been successfully prosecuted, not just similar, EXACTLY the same. This is encoded in US law, has been since 1982.
You’re not an 18-year-old black living in Handsworth.
No, you’re right I’m not.
Part of the problem in UK inner city areas has been the withdrawal of Neighbourhood Policing. This built up good relationships between the police & community. Since numbers have been chopped it’s simply not been possible to carry out this role effectively. We are, pretty much, back where we were a decade ago. Having to build up those numbers, those relationships all over again..
I note that NY governer Bill de Blasio said the usual patronising words 'you've made your point, now go home'. Well that's the problem, the point has been made repeatedly, and often acknowledged, but nothing ever changes. When you build a system on violence, brutality, exploitation and a complete absence of human empathy and compassion, then at some point the people will decide they have nothing left to lose. I reckon the US has reached that point, and not just within the black population. Given we're on the same political and economic path, this could well be the UK in a few years time.
It appears so. Strange, life seems pretty good to me. There’s an African chap at work that I like to think of as my friend, he’s always very polite when I see him in the corridor. Maybe I’ll ask him why black people are so angry.
wow! im just lost for words I don't even know where to start. While you're at it though why not ask a Muslin person why they are all terrorist. Maybe this is just some super dark humour that I just don't understand but I can't for a second believe someone can be that dense to write what you did.
It’s not a lie Rydster. The people killed with impunity are mostly black men. Others are killed but without the same level of impunity.
That may be true but without some statistics it's just a perception.
The UK certainly has problems with racism but it's nothing compared to the US because there is no slavery legacy in the UK per se. It was only a few decades ago in the US that there was formal segregation in some US states for example.
Countzero has pointed to one legal source of police impunity. Here's another:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-immunity-scotus/
I don't know how you expect me to produce statistics on impunity, it's a legal fact that can't be quantified. But deaths can:
I'm contesting the theory that the police have impunity to kill black people but not white people.
Nobody had presented evidence to that end. I'm not contesting that black people are more likely to be killed.
The police also seem to be able to abuse children as well
https://twitter.com/benjolly9/status/1266493857040121856?s=21
Why is Edukator linking the UK to what's happening in America?
Under the coronavirus lokdown in th UK, if you are black you are:
50% more likely to be stopped by police
50% more likely to be fined
More than 50% likely to die of the virus.
Last Wendnesday, there was the mother of all street parties where I live in Manchester, near Moss side. It started early in the afternoon and it felt like carnival had arrived. Police turned up at 8pm in cars and vans.
Do you think:
A. The police shut the party down and everyone went home quietly? Or B. The police slinked away quietly and the party went on blaring into the night until 2:30 am?
Things out there might be a little more fragile than you think.
They have a high degree of impunity for both white and blcak due to the legal framework (with a few high profile exceptions) but the dominantly white police force with its culture of looking after its own, covering up, corruption... means a cop is going to be more reticent to mistreat a member of the white cummunity. Whatever the level of mistreatent maybe. It's down to the psychology of the cops, how they see people of differing ethnicities, and what they think they can get away with. There's lots of stuff on this but not statistically quantifiable. Try a few key words and you'll find examples a plenty, start with "shooting bias".
Good god, that video. 🙁
Inkster, the same happened in Clapton last night...
I'm not disputing the shooting bias but the idea that the police have impunity to kill black people but not white people. These are not the same thing. This would imply that when police kill white people they tend to be significantly more likely to be prosecuted or disciplined in contrast to when they kill black people.
Don’t turn up to a protest with a bow & arrow and shoot someone, the only problem with this is he only got a kicking
https://twitter.com/mufaa6/status/1266900217414258696?s=21
There’s far far worse stuff I’ve viewed on Twitter that is prob not suitable to post on here, scary stuff happening over there and I can only see it escalating
Carry on disputing, you are no more capable of disproving than I am of proving. I can point to the mechanisms, covering up , turning a blind eye, lying to protect colleagues, trumped up charges which have adversly and disproportionatley affected the black community and given the lack of consequences for the officer concerned say they have benefitted from impunity.
When DNA testing became available rape prosecutions started getting overturned, 2/3 of wrongly convicted men were blacks or hispanics.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/stories/for-110-inmates-freed-by-dna-tests-true-freedom-remains-elusive
Bias, discrimination, racism and impunity
Bias in terms of accountability (the impunity theory) is not the same thing as a bias in outcome (the shooting bias). The latter is a statistical fact, the former a hypothesis for which no direct evidence has been supplied.
The latter is a statistical fact,
Nice to see you've accepted that now.
the former a hypothesis for which no direct evidence has been supplied.
All you need to do now is convince millions of black and minority Americans of that and they'll go home reassured.
My first post was acknowledging the shooting bias.
This guy is obviously white and can't be connected with the victims family.
Just wanton destruction. Theres even a vid of a well dressed Roadie/commuter type going mental smashing windows on UK tv last night. No way he can be involved either.
This guys actions can only be described if the word has use today - Evil. Destruction for the sake of it.
****...
MEANINGLESS STATISTIC ALERT
When DNA testing became available rape prosecutions started getting overturned, 2/3 of wrongly convicted men were blacks or hispanics
Wthout context that statement is meaningless, of the convicted pool of rapists if 3/4 were black it would indicate proportinally more white people were wrongly convicted, if 1/2 were black then yes it maybe suggests they are more likely to be wrongly convicted.
Rydsters point about the slavery legacy us a very important one, in the UK racism tends to be based on someone not being born here, it's the go back to your own country rubbish, as populations become normalised there is more acceptance. This doesn't apply in the States, the vast majority of people emigrated there around the same time. Racism in the States is much more linked to a belief that the colour of your skin donates your worth, much nastier and more likely to be perpetuated than our own form of racism. The only real similarities between us and the States is the progress of tolerance has been set back a decade by the idiots in power.
Anyone else had this turn up on Twitter today?
https://twitter.com/joshuapotash/status/1266390938731020293?s=21
Wow, the silence from the audience is telling.
how are white areas even a thing?
By design rather than accident. In most places in the world, within towns and cities, neighbourhoods are 'emergent' - nobody really designs the idea into a place that it will be rich or poor, or fashionable, or high-brow, or bohemian or cool, or young, or old, and by the same measure whether a neighbourhood would be predominantly black or white. Neigbourhoods emerge- they aren't designated.
In the US creating black and white neighbourhoods happened at a town-planning level. A locale is black or white by design.
Just wanton destruction or a white extremist trying to discredit justified black protests.
The extreme right operate on the margins of left wing protests here in France with the objective of causing damage that will discredit the protester's cause.
Wthout context that statement is meaningless, of the convicted pool of rapists if 3/4 were black
That's a hell of an assumption Stumpyjon. In fact if you delve deeper you'll find what was happening was that the police were looking for a black rapist to convict for every rape whilst in reality most of the rapes were being commited by a very small number of rapists. They were very good at jailing innocent blacks on trumped up charges because their face fitted and very poor at finding the real perpetrators of the rapes - and the courts/legal sytem just went along with the cases contructed by the police on the basis mainly of prejudice.
Finish a tour of duty in Fallujah, then go and sign on as a Police officer in Ferguson. Get fired in Ferguson, go sign on as a Police officer in Florida. Get fired in Florida, go sign o...oh well, you get the picture.
Talking of Ferguson, in the year leading up to the murder of Michael Brown there was a 500% increase in fines for 'code violations' in the district where the protests erupted. A code violation fine is for things like leaving your bike leant outside your property, having mis- matched blinds, having cracks in your driveway, having a basketball hoop on your front lawn.
Income generated from those fines went on to purchase all that military equipment the Ferguson police pulled out for the TV cameras as the protests escalated.
You can't go to jail for a code violation, you can go to jail for non payment of code violation fines . I don't have figures for any increase in fines for traffic stops (up or down? Waddya' reckon?). We know however, the punishment for jaywalking.
Educator, no assumptions on my part, if you hadn't selectively quoted me, the rest of my post balanced out the point I was making that your quote had no context and I provided two illustrations of how your quote could mean two different things dependant on context. The fact you cherry picked what you wanted from my post and ignored the rest given the original out of context fact is probably not that surprising.
Kryton that just shows the difference between the two countries, in the States they're burning down their own neighbourhoods, in the UK people are peacefully protesting in the sun.
This guy is obviously white and can’t be connected with the victims family.
#1 that’s probably not a protestor. That’s an undercover police officer providing more reasons for the police to ‘retaliate’. Why the umbrella? A visible sign to other officers? Either that or he’s a right wing gun nut after a second civil war so is fanning the flames (see that Bellingcat article someone posted).
#2 That notwithstanding, I disagree with your statement. People in America are (rightly) outraged by the treatment of people of colour. You don’t have to be related by blood or be the same race to be offended by the system of oppression that’s being ushered in. I’d be on the streets if I lived in Minneapolis.
Interesting that the police in the States are now specifically targeting reporters and journalists with rubber bullets and pepper balls. One woman photographer has lost an eye after being hit in the face by a rubber bullet, her goggles fell off as she moved away from the police line and as she turned back she was hit in the eye. There is video evidence of the police pointing weapons directly at people clearly identified as press.
Obviously Angry Tinkerbell’s goon squads are making sure the media can’t report or film what they’re really up to.
The action of repressive, totalitarian government all over the world - America, China, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, Turkey, Egypt. Welcom to the new free world.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/30/media/protests-journalists-arrested-assaulted/
Watched this live last night. Could have ended badly! The guy who grabbed the gun off him was an armed security guard for Q13Fox News. I'm guessing ex-military.
#1 that’s probably not a protestor.
Have to agree. It looks like someone deliberately breaking windows so other people might be tempted to loot. Didn't look random and the guy was super calm, no running, no confrontation, no picking a fight, just calmly walked away
I’m pretty sure somewhere in some Armageddon based book there’s a sequence of events that start with a plague, followed by protesting followed by many more bad things. Watching the way the police in the US are reacting to this is frankly terrifying. Not quite ‘maintaining the peace’ is it.
As Killer Mike states, the police involved in the killing of George Floyd should all be prosecuted and sentenced. Instead the Trump makes the ‘you loot, we shoot’ quip on Twitter. It’s so far beyond ****ed up it’s almost impossible to describe.
Having visited South Africa in February, both myself and my girlfriend (Who is Mauritian) were utterly stunned by the treatment of black people. Within half an hour of being off the plane we both mentioned how uncomfortable we felt at the sight of such a massive division. The slum outside Cape Town is horrifying - 30 sqkm of slums surrounded by private estates with private guards and vineyards.
I find it truly amazing that yesterday we witnessed the launch of the rocket to the space station yet we still judge someone by the colour of their skin. There is no place for racism in any form in any country and frankly the rioting in the US is just the start.
This thread is utterly terrifying. Words fail me.
https://twitter.com/the7goonies/status/1266989439160590336?s=21
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016?s=21
And this below is why certain elements of the police force feel they have the right to do whatever they want, maga
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1266845479268212736?s=21
However like everything in life there is an opposing force for good
https://twitter.com/midmichigannow/status/1266907736735956996?s=21
Police should be prosecuted.
I find it truly amazing that yesterday we witnessed the launch of the rocket to the space station yet we still judge someone by the colour of their skin.
Bindun
This thread is utterly terrifying. Words fail me.
This thread is a safe haven compared to other parts of the internet. Check out (or don’t) the comments.
When you try to arrest a black FBI Agent
https://twitter.com/channiescloud_/status/1267333317927395329?s=20
I wonder if SRAM have actually read the BLM manifesto?
Problem is, at the moment the US Plod are taking the pressure being put on them. At some point if this continues, they will push back and this will escalate horribly.
As above, a lot of people on both sides are using this as an excuse to stir up bother in the name of George Floyd when they don't give a toss about him; just their own agenda.
I was just watching the tanker driven at the crowds in Minnesota; that could have been an utter bloodbath.
If only they had some leadership who could calm the situation, not make it so much worse.
A lot of people on both sides? Heard that phrase before somewhere, Not sure if that is what you meant boomerlives.
I guess a lot of people out there are answering the question:
'What have you got to lose'.
