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Genuine curiosity here. I'm Scottish and not much of a football fan. Recently on radio 2 there has been a running advert for a special show that focuses on the 66 World Cup and an as it happened type of show. It got me thinking, are English people really that sentimental about it ? Or is stuff like that and the many mentioned reference to the 66 win by media commentators a thing which is pushed onto the people by the media itself ?
It just seems that other countries have won the World Cup but I don't get the impression that they revel in the nostalgia of it to the same extent.
And yes, I listen to radio 2
Yes they are that bad about it and for two reasons
1. they won it
2. they have not won it since
I think most people don't think much of it, but it's an easy subject for the media. They like nostalgia as it's cheap programming.
It's all a bit embarrassing IMHO..
It is something deep down - it's like the jocks and bannockburn - doesn't matter that you had your arses handed to in almost every engagement since (as scots that is, not taking anything away from the arsekickings handed out as part of uk forces) like we have at football, you still harp on about that famous victory over 400 years on. I think 40 is quite reasonable tbh. 😀
I'm English, spent the last 42 years in Scotland and the east highlands were a tough place to be an Yorkshire kid at times in the 70's - no hiding behind a neutral edinburgh accent for me! I worked out early on that the scots didn't 'hate' the English, they hated Jimmy greaves the pundit. Sod it, I hated Jimmy greaves the pundit.
Don't forget that 90% of the population is English, so much of the Bbc is playing to the audience.
Not all of them. But I suppose we are all prone to basking in the reflected glory of past achievements of one sort or another.
Who is this "The English"?
Personally, don't give much of a toss about something that happened when I was 2.
The one when I was 39, that was exciting. Can re-live that one over and over.
But I don't see people on the streets demanding more info on the 1966 World Cup final. I think it's driven by the media as it's cheap TV/radio.
I remember ITV goal of the World Cup competition a few years ago , the number to call and vote was something like 0870 452 1966
Nothing more special than winning a home World Cup plus of course we beat the Germans 🙂
60'th anniversary hence the specials.
That BBC radio 2 thing makes me cringe eveytime the trailer plays. Never mind were utter shite now , oh look what happened 50 years ago.
Pfftt 😳
Dez, how else should I refer to the people of England then? I was trying to be fairly generic.
Rich, that's what my impression is as well. It seems like media trying to invoke sentimentality where there doesn't really appear to be any on the part of the public. But I could be wrong hence the curiosity.
60th anniversary hence the specials
Maths not your strong point. We'll list that one below 'facts'.
I've said before we should stop entering these competitions just like the scotch have done for the last 20yrs....
[i]Dez, how else should I refer to the people of England then?[/i]
"Some English people"? "English football fans"? "Sad old English farts who live in the past"? 🙂
The £/year exchange rate is all over the place since BrexitNobeerinthefridge - Member
60th anniversary hence the specials
Maths not your strong point. We'll list that one below 'facts'.
Maths not your strong point
Sorry, but I chuckled 🙂
Well, I like football and wasn't around in 1966.
I don't recall ever seeing the match being reshown on TV.
I'd like to see the colour film footage.
Christ I feel old now, I would have been about 3 weeks old on that fateful day.
I guess it's the only reference point that puts England in the ctategory of world class. They can now be talked about in the same breathe as Germany, Brasil and Argentina rather than The Netherlands.
Will there be a "special" on TV next year with Jim Baxter playing keepie-uppie at Wembley?
plus of course we beat the Germans
Its funny how whenever England and Germany face each other we bring that up - as if Germany will somehow be sore about it the result. Its one of the 4 cup finals they lost rather than one of the 4 they won - they've made it to the final more times than any other nation - in fact they've made it to close to half of all the finals in history. So as a loss it doesn't really figure in their folk memory of historic football results. By comparison 1966 the only cup final England has ever managed to get reach.
[quote=Rusty Spanner ]Well, I like football and wasn't around in 1966.
I don't recall ever seeing the match being reshown on TV.
I'd like to see the colour film footage.
I watched it (in B&W, obviously). At the tender age of 7, I wasn't aware that England wasn't even "my" team - but that would start a whole different discussion on the Scottish education system, institutionalised racism, cultural censorship and the Celtic Cringe. So lets not go there.
I'm english and I couldn't give a flying 4X about 1966. 2003 though, now that's a different matter altogether 😀
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I know it's sad, and I know we've been shit ever since but that moment...if there was a drug that made you feel like that I'd buy a ****ing bucket of it.
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I'm english and I couldn't give a flying 4X about 1966. 2003 though, now that's a different matter altogether
Oi! Come up with your own ideas!
[quote=fisha ]I'm Scottish and not much of a football fan.
How very fortuitous.
Junkyard - lazarus
Yes they are that bad about it and for two reasons1. they won it
Thanks for the spoiler alert. 👿
I would imagine it's only English football fans who make a deal of it. I should think most English people don't give it a moment's thought.
How do you know if someone doesn't like football?
They tell you.
All the time.
'Just popping out the shops love.
Hope I don't meet any football fans.'
🙂
Allthepies - absolutely. My phrase is generally "I don't support football, I support greenock Morton "
I've never understood (even as a fervent Scotsman) why folk get annoyed about England and the constant 1966 references. If we had won the World Cup, there would be a tv series about it, and I'd watch every ****ing episode, Christ we still go on about beating you lot in a 'friendly' in '67!.
Celtic fans go on about winning the European cup in 1967 every bit as much, even though bloody Linfield made the quarters.
Celebrate it as you wish, it's only the nay Sayers that moan, and who cares about them.
I saw Montrose at home to Queen's Park (I think) once.
186 people, 40 of which were up from Manchester.
Went for a pint in the British Legion across the road at half time, slightly surprised to see a couple of members of the coaching staff doing the same.
🙂
It was brilliant.
No. Probably fills a slot in the schedule though and would be cheap to make.
.if there was a drug that made you feel like that I'd buy a **** bucket of it.
I was rootling around a wheel barrow full when this happened; so were the shed...
Nobeer +1. The adulation showered on the class of 66 will only grow with every inept tournament showing since. They're legends because just about every other effort at a major championship since - bar 1990 and 1996 - has been woeful. During Euro 2016 there was a stat going about along the lines of England only beating 4 teams in normal time after the group stages since 1966. Says it all.
Oi! Come up with your own ideas!
I think we are both allowed to do it, because, well, you know, we WON!!!!! 8)
Oh come on, if we can't wallow in fake nostalgia at a time like this, then when?
Trump's already reinvented the combover, it's time we embraced the prematch fag, the wage cap and career ending knee surgery all over again.
I'm very much 'club before country', and as my club won the world cup for England, I'm quite fanatical about it.
I think it's something like 63% of all under ten ENGERLISHaaah !!! children have the middle names "Mooro Hursty AllanBall", so it must mean something to us I suppose
Its the same with the WWII obsession and whole channels devoted to it.
I'm English,I've no interest in it. Lots of English people have fallen out of love with football,but you don't hear about that because the media love it.so it's all over the press/airwaves, these days I can't stand football,there's no getting away from it.Presumably it sells papers,generates interest on TV?
I never watched a minute of the Euro's & a few of my mates are of the same opinion..
+1
it's cheap programming.
+1
I never watched a minute of the Euro's
+1
I remember going to my gran's to watch the 66 world cup on her brand new colour telly. I was 9 at the time. (Certainly wasn't 60 years ago). 😉
allthepies - MemberHow very fortuitous.
It's fine, scotland's a tennis nation now. And that ice bowling one. And who could forget that thing that's the same as hurling but that only we play, we're top 5 at that.
TBH I don't think English fans are '66 obsessed but commentators, aargh. I mean, english commentators in general are horrendous but the only reason I keep losing at "guess how long into the game it'll take before someone mentions '66" is that they practically never make it as far as the 1st second.
As we should and as we, unashamedly, shall continue to do. Get used to it! 🙂Nobeerinthefridge - Member
Celtic fans go on about winning the European cup in 1967 every bit as much
no problem with 66 myself. 🙂
not a huge soccer fan and possibly a bit older than I thought 🙁
jambalaya.......
60'th anniversary hence the specials.
I was at primary school and having a World Cup Willy (Willie?) was the source of much playground amusement
Think it also a longing for better times "we'd never had it so good" the players played the game and not the fans for money
Rusty Spanner - Member
...'Just popping out the shops love.
Hope I don't meet any football fans.'
That could be quite a valid statement in parts of Scotland...
How do you know if someone doesn't like football?
Breathing with their mouths closed?
Walking without knuckles on floor?
Football. They think it's all over...but it never is.
Mainly the media isn't it, what with it being cheap copy. I know plenty of English fans who get in a rage at the mention of 66.
I wonder if Uruguay still go on about their wins?
Football. They think it's all over...but it never is.
As a pretty unimportant event it gives you the excuse to go back 50 years and look at the other things of daily life without being over consumed by your original reason for doing do so .... thats the reason I believe the Beeb are doing this.
So lets have a quick look
UK inflation rate 3.8%
A top league footballer earned £5,200
A GP earned £2,964
Average annual pay for men was £1,220
Average house price £3,840
Gallon of petrol 5 shillings (25p)
Pint of beer 2s (10p)
Off-the-peg Burtons suit £15
And in Worlds News
This happened earlier in the year 😯 .... I'd near heard of this before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash
Uk based news .... of which parallels could be drawn on for 2016
30 January – Action Man toy action figure launched.
1 March – Chancellor of the Exchequer James Callaghan announces the decision to embrace decimalisation of the pound (which will be effected on 15 February 1971).[4]
31 March – The Labour Party under Harold Wilson win the general election with a majority of 96 seats.
30 April
Regular hovercraft service begins over the English Channel (discontinued in 2000 due to competition with the Channel Tunnel.)
18 May – Home Secretary Roy Jenkins announces that the number of police forces in England and Wales will be cut to 68.
15 September – Britain's first Polaris submarine, HMS Resolution, launched at Barrow-in-Furness
27 September – BMC makes 7,000 workers redundant.
25 October – Spain closes its Gibraltar border against vehicular traffic.
30 November – Barbados achieves independence.[30]
And to bring it back to Football ... Eric Cantona was born two months before the final on May 28th
As a pretty unimportant event it gives you the excuse to go back 60 years
Jambas maths facts are spreading....
🙂 ... thank you nobeer ... got in before the edit timed out