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Don't use the bar-cam much these days, but had it on last night as was going to film something for [url= http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/campaigning/article/cam20130212-Chris-Boardman-asks--Who-are-cycle-lanes-for---0 ]this site.[/url]
Did capture this stupid arse trying to push me off the road 😕
I assume you forwarded that with a shot of the license plate to the local police HQ?
bloody hell! that was close!
To be fair they did give the other cyclist lots of room 😉
He was unsighted by the car infront of him, wasn't he? Hopefully he'll have learned an important lesson about following other people through overtaking manoeuvres.
Anyway, he must be right, HE'S BEEN PROPER POLICE TRAINED AND EVERYTHING. Where's smurf mat?
Awful driving. I despair. If the rozzers think that's acceptable what chance do we have?
[i]He was unsighted by the car infront of him, wasn't he?[/i]
He was indeed - he was far too close to it.
Also, to be fair, the sun was in his eyes.
So if he'd killed me it wouldn't have been his fault.
So DezB Considering all that what have you done about it?
Sen them the video, somebody will probably even thank you for giving them some good training material.
I've posted it on Youtube and up here 🙂
well be a darling and do something useful about it 🙂
People don't learn if they don't know
So if he'd killed me it wouldn't have been his fault.
No, it would have been.
Who do I send it to then Mike? Hampshire Constabulary?
Or the local station (of which he could've been from any of 2 or 3)?
Share the vid on their facebook page?
DezB - quickest way to share something Social media.
try Twitter @HantsPolice with a link to the Youtube vid - stick it on their FB page too. Sit back and wait for the reaction.
Or the IPCC?
Yeah... but... I sort of... you know... like and appreciate the police... 🙁
I know - I'm going to ask my copper mate who I play footy with, what he thinks I should do.
I sort of... you know... like and appreciate the police...
Help them do a better job, then, you big jessy.
Portsdown hill? Not the widest of roads either. Whilst I totally agree its too close, they didn't actually hit you. He should have been more careful with a low setting sun in his eyes though.
I'd let it go, realisically you're not going to get much from it.
For once I think I've found an acceptable thread to tell someone to MTFU!
P.S. "like and appreciate the police", wont complain but happy to post a video publicly online? Make your mind up
bigyinn - Member
Whilst I totally agree its too close, they didn't actually hit you...
he would have done if Dez hadn't been riding in the gutter.
[i]Portsdown hill? Not the widest of roads either[/i]
Indeed - also has a "CAUTION CYCLISTS" sign flashing at the start of it!
[i]he would have done if Dez hadn't been riding in the gutter.[/i]
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we all do it (even when we know we shouldn't)
🙂
it's driving like that which forces us into the gutter, which reinforces drivers expectations of where we 'should' be.
>Did capture this stupid arse trying to push me off the road<
Err no.
What he was trying to do, as far as I can see, was to give the other cyclist a very wide berth. And in doing so, he misjudged the situation.
No point bleating about it on here - if you think it was "that close" take it up with the Polis.
I ride in a position appropriate to that road. As I do on all roads on which I ride.
I've MTFUed and Tweeted it.
[i]No point bleating about it on here [/i]
Oh STFU. It's called starting a conversation. Which judging by your history ain't something you're too useful at.
well done, now wait for a knock on the door....
They'll never find me 🙂
No point bleating about it on here
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I guess the other cyclist was just more attractive than you. 🙂
Dez, I put it to you that any reasonable driver might misjudge the AWESOME speed you're travelling at up the hill there
It's all your own fault really
I was on my cross bike ok?!
Why was your bike cross?
Cos I was riding it in the gutter?
No way should you let that go... if you'd been riding primary you may not have been posting on STW...
>Oh STFU.<
Why of course - my apologies for failing to agree with you.
I get that DezB may not wish to cause undue harm by firing this across the ****tersphere this was careless rather than intentional but I do think that it should be taken up with them. The Emergency Services take their driving standards very seriously and given that no-one was actually hurt an approach to the local Head of Traffic might be best.
theblackmount - Member
What he was trying to do, as far as I can see, was to give the other cyclist a very wide berth. And in doing so, he misjudged the situation.
This is frighteningly common IMO and I have been (nearly 😉 ) guilty of it myself. I would send link to HC. I think posting on their facebook/twitter is escalating the issue and may have unintended consequences - know what I mean?
Oh and the fact that it is now on UCHOOB means it waon't be long before someone else does...
It was very close.
Did a little bit of wee come out while you were riding along?
He's actually given the other bike more room than the Porsche he is following. But his BMW is a good bit wider as well and that's put him pretty much on collision course with you.
I would probably find the correct person to send it to rather than posting it on their facebook page. But it could have been a lot more serious
I wouldn't bother, the police pretty much do what they want with little or no consequences IMO
[i]Did a little bit of wee come out while you were riding along?[/i]
No, my middle finger came out though 🙂
No, my middle finger came out though
why on earth were you riding with your finger up your willy? not only is it unhygienic, but you have reduced braking capacity.
dez, is the camera on a bar mount ?
curtisthecat - Member
I wouldn't bother, the police pretty much do what they want with little or no consequences IMO
I used to work for a police force and was often asked to identify police vehicles from GPS logs for investigations into poor driving standards reported by the general public. So they did look into them, not sure about the consequences though!
[i]dez, is the camera on a bar mount ?[/i]
Yep, that is for why I referred to it as a "bar-cam" 😉
For added effect the OP skills have dived and rolled onto the grass verge and then sent it in to the cop shop....
I'd be grateful if most drivers gave me that much room tbh...
Is the Police driver at least 2 seconds behind the vehicle in front as per the Highway Code?
If not, perhaps the Police driver has suffered a catastrophic vehicle related failure...I mean, what other explanation could there possibly be?
So have they responded to your tweet then?
Nah! They're scared
Nah! They're scared
Either that or they are hiding outside of your house, Tazers at the ready!
What camera was that you were using? Thinking of getting one for just this sort of thing...
That was a cheapo Ebay one with a light built in. Usually use the 7dayshop one, but its broked.
7dayshop ones are like [url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-DV-DVR-camcorder-vehicle-DVR-spy-camera-New-video-D011-/251042147941?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_Video_Camcorders&hash=item3a73472e65 ]this[/url]
the one I was using for that vid is [url= http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/High-Resolution-Flashlight-Spy-Camera-MINI-video-DVR-/310473143658?pt=UK_CCTV&hash=item4849a4356a ]this[/url] - one thing is better (apart from having a light for emergencies), it keeps the correct date info, whereas the 7 dayshop ones don't. Video quality not quite as good on the little light one though.
What is it with drivers giving too much room? I'm not a horse I'm not going to bolt if a car gets within 2 metres of me. Then there are the ones that give room but forget about the traffic coming the other way.
What is it with drivers giving too much room? I'm not a horse I'm not going to bolt if a car gets within 2 metres of me.
Too [i]much[/i] room?? 😕
Perhaps they were following the Highway Code?
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Or [url= http://www.smartdriving.co.uk/Driving/DefensiveDriving/Space/Space.htm ]the advice of safe driving organisations[/url]:
[i]"Allow at least two metres' (two yards') clearance when passing cyclists – a court case some years ago laid down the principle that a cyclist is entitled to wobble!"[/i]
Several states in the US have laws in place that make it illegal to pass closer than 1 metre / 3 feet. That seems a sensible amount.
US Campaign: http://www.3feetplease.com
UK Version: http://3feetplease.org.uk/
😀What is it with drivers giving too much room? I'm not a horse I'm not going to bolt if a car gets within 2 metres of me. Then there are the ones that give room but forget about the traffic coming the other way.
Apart from the rules of the road and common sense, bikes can move die to potholes etc
bikes can move die to potholes
I don't know what it is about that statement but it comes across as slightly Welsh for some reason...
About 1 metre is ok if they literally use the whole opposite lane I wonder if they think I'm pissed or something.
Hmmm.. I always try to use the whole opposite lane when I pass bikes - partly because that's how I like to be passed; partly because it sets a good example to other drivers who may pass a bit closer; and partly because I believe that is what the vague wording of Rule 163 is supposed to (or [i]should[/i]) mean.
Generally I think giving a cyclist enough room that they can fall over sideways without going under my wheels is a pretty good plan.
About 1 metre is ok if they literally use the whole opposite lane I wonder if they think I'm pissed or something.
You can't pass a cyclist safely on most roads unless your break the white line in the middle.
Crossing the white line is something you think (or should do) about more so you may make an extra check of oncoming traffic etc. rather than get halfway and squash the cyclist.
I wont squeeze past a cyclist and will only pass if the other lane is clear.
Hence I might as well use all the space there is not crowd the cyclist or make him inhale more of my exhaust fumes as I accelerate.
I also have no problem with cyclists riding 2 abreast as you still need a clear lane coming the other way to pass them.
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If you ride on the road, expect your personal safety to be seriously compromised - think singletrack!
Did you not see BMW badge...
*runs*
Generally I think giving a cyclist enough room that they can fall over sideways without going under my wheels is a pretty good plan.
I have genuinely never seen a cyclist going forward at a speed more than say 5 mph and simply flop over sideways. Is that even possible?
If you ride on the road, expect your personal safety to be seriously compromised - think singletrack!
That makes me sad face 🙁
Not everyone is lucky enough to have traffic-free singletrack leading every where they want to go on a bike (e.g. work, shops, pub)
Nor should we just accept that if we ride on the road then it is somehow our own fault if drivers behave like idiots.
longj - Member
Generally I think giving a cyclist enough room that they can fall over sideways without going under my wheels is a pretty good plan.
I have genuinely never seen a cyclist going forward at a speed more than say 5 mph and simply flop over sideways. Is that even possible?
Either a troll or......
Right then how to fall off a bike, punture, chain stuck/break/slip, catch wheel in something, big gust of wind, heart attack, animal runs into road, sh*t happened.
Give decent room. If your not breaking the white line your not overtaking a cyclist properly. This means you have considered the overtake and the potential of another car coming the other way or the cyclist doing something unpredictable. Other wise you risk cutting in on the cyclist mid overtake as a car comes round the corner killing said cyclist.
In more simple terms if a car hits a cyclist it ends up worse for the cyclist. Give more room it doesn't cost you anything.
I find that "I am Traffic" poster pretty insulting.
"I will ride in one position no matter what the type of road, traffic conditions etc cos I can't think and adjust my position accordingly"
NOT ALL ROADS ARE THE SAME.
(eg. if I'd been moronically stuck in the middle of the carriageway when bobby copper on the video was coming towards me... )
I have genuinely never seen a cyclist going forward at a speed more than say 5 mph and simply flop over sideways. Is that even possible?
Now you have. As mike says, shaft happens.
Is it really so much trouble to turn the steering wheel just a little bit more and pass with plenty of room?
I find that "I am Traffic" poster pretty insulting.
"I will ride in one position no matter what the type of road, traffic conditions etc cos I can't think and adjust my position accordingly"
I don't think that is what it is saying at all. It's just a (not very good) attempt to explain the point of taking the Primary to (American) drivers.
He made a 'Gareth Hunt' of It , unintentionally I think. I wouldn't pursue It.
longj - MemberWhat is it with drivers giving too much room? I'm not a horse I'm not going to bolt if a car gets within 2 metres of me.
You might not but some folks need more space. I leave all the space I can especially if there's someone else behind- lots of folks pass too close, who knows, maybe they'll think "That guy's given loads of room, maybe I should too"
I find that "I am Traffic" poster pretty insulting.
"I will ride in one position no matter what the type of road, traffic conditions etc cos I can't think and adjust my position accordingly"
It's more aimed at drivers and possibly longi. The sentiment is good as an attempt to explain why a cyclist isn't running over drain covers and bobbling down the gutter. The narrower the road the further out I get, it also gives me somewhere to go when the car does something stupid (like in your video Dez)
I am not talking about white line breakers I'm talking about cars that break the white line with both wheels. It's simply not necessary. And this has been the cause of one or two near misses on my commute where the car has failed to return to the left side of the road in time, narrowly missing a car coming the other way.
?? Are you saying that by giving you more room these cars have somehow put you in more danger longj??
And yes I cross right over into the other lane, both wheels over the line (assuming it is a dashed line of course!)
And this has been the cause of one or two near misses on my commute where the car has failed to return to the left side of the road in time, narrowly missing a car coming the other way.
So a car didn't leave enough room/time to overtake. Seems to be an issue with judging distance/speed rather than the amount they moved over. My biggest fear on the road is a half hearted over take where the car realises they are running out of time/space and then cutting into a cyclist. If they can't judge the time and distance correctly then I'd rather they left me more room than not.
GrahamS - Member?? Are you saying that by giving you more room these cars have somehow put you in more danger longj??
He's saying that sometimes drivers pull right over to pass him even when there's oncoming traffic. And seems to think that's a problem with the amount of space they gave him, rather than what it actually is- passing dangerously when you shouldn't be passing at all.
Which is why I'm suspecting it's a troll because you'd have to work pretty hard to be this daft. Knitting needles up the nose, that sort of thing.
Tend to agree Northwind. If not a troll then certainly misguided.
As mike says, if folk are going to pass me where they shouldn't then I'd much rather they gave me plenty of room when they do it!
I take it you have never riden in rush hour traffic. It's simply not possible to give that amount of room. If all drivers waited until there was space in the opposite lane then there would be a very slow moving traffic from my house to my work. As far cars not pulling in in time, my perception of the situation is that if they had given say 1.5 metres room, they would easily have been out of the way of on coming traffic. I'm not a troll just someone used to riding in busy traffic. We don't all live in deserted country lanes you know.
thats fine, ridden in all sorts of roads all over the place, drive there too. I'll still give cyclists sensible room. My usual examples of rush hour traffic is a long queue from my door to where I work with cyclists making the best progress.
It's simply not possible to give that amount of room. If all drivers waited until there was space in the opposite lane then there would be a very slow moving traffic
Boo hoo! Let me fetch my tiny violin. 😀
Safety > Convenience
If there isn't room to pass safely then the correct answer is not "just pass unsafely then"
Conversely if I found I was holding up a line of cars behind me for any length of time then I'd probably pull off the road for a moment and let them past as a courtesy (and to avoid having drivers getting impatient at my rear wheel).
Give and take.
We don't all live in deserted country lanes you know.
20 car queue today, crawling along behind two tractors.
If it had been bikes then there would have been horns blaring and fists waving.
I have genuinely never seen a cyclist going forward at a speed more than say 5 mph and simply flop over sideways.
Have a trawl of RoadCC for the cyclist in London that was run over by a bus following him too close when a car occupant opened his door on him. CPS prosecuted only one of those at fault, the bus driver was allowed to kill a cyclist with impunity.