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Anyone else watched it.
I suppose you have to be of a certain age group to appreciate it.
As a kid I found him to be ‘creepy’, I only watched jim’ll fix it as it was on before dr who,but watching the video footage now makes me cringe.
I know it was a lifetime ago and behaviour was different then but wow.
It's on my list is it any good as an actual piece of journalism/documentary?
It's just bonkers isn't it? Not seen this new documentary but really interested in Savile so will give it a go.
It's just mad how he had nearly everyone fooled. I remember praising him on social media a few years before he died as a classic English eccentric and being the inventor of DJ'ing or something. This guy had his own key to Broadmoor! It's just insane. How does that happen?
Always wanted to go on Jim'll Fix It as a kid but my shrewd old nan had him marked as 'an orrible creepy man'.
As a kid I found him to be ‘creepy’, I only watched jim’ll fix it as it was on before dr who,but watching the video footage now makes me cringe.
I know it was a lifetime ago and behaviour was different then but wow.
Me too. But parents had no issues sitting kids down to watch him/it with their boiled egg and soldiers Saturday tea.
I think a true reflection of how creepy is is to 2022 eyes would be to watch a random unedited episode now rather than a drama about it. Disclaimer - not watch the Netflix thing yet though.
I’ve found all the Netflix documentary mini series to be excellent so (probably the wrong phrase) looking forward to watching it as they tend to be able to find all sorts of people to interview who were involved in or affected by whatever subject they are looking at that other documentaries don’t have access to or don’t have time to cover.
I spent a good proportion of my childhood abroad (service brat) and when I came back to the UK, I was genuinely a bit weirded out by him. I remember seeing him fist of TOTP and thinking what is the ugly old geezer doing..?
I didn't think he was a sex offender obviously, but I just thought he was odd.
I remember seeing him fist of TOTP
Wow, I missed that episode...🤜😂
I think it’s worth a watch, I liked how they presented it and watched both episodes back to back.
As journalism/documentary I think it was good as it showed just how great his fame was and how deeply he was embedded in the U.K. psyche.
It was suggested on Twitter that his repeated use of the phrase "My case comes up next Thursday", was away of insulting his interviewer, as in "see you next Tuesday".
We watched it last night, and yes, it's astonishing how deeply he managed to embed himself into 'normal' and even high society as a way of hiding what he was doing, and getting/keeping the authorities on his side. The public persona was, for the most part, a big front. The bit that amazed me, and it's been shown on other recent documentaries before, was the episode of TOTP where he was groping a girl whilst talking to camera, she literally leapt upwards and was wriggling around, yet didn't smack him in the teeth. Very much a sign of those times, I'm quite certain she wouldn't have been so restrained now.
If you've not seen it, the earlier Louis Theroux documentary is well worth a watch.
Its all part of the BBC ethos
An insight into
Watched it the other night
Forgot how much he did to raise money and get things built for the people, quite amazing really and it helped him become a hero of the nation
Obviously we had no idea of the other side of him (well i didnt as i was born in 1977 so was clueless about those sorts of thing growing up)
Watching it all back now you can tell something isnt right with him and hearing his victims stories truely brings home how vile he really was
Im not a religous person, but i hope there is a hell just for him, he was edging his bets hoping all the good would counter all the bad he did, he didnt get punished in this life so hopefully he will in the next
Not sure I can bring myself to watch anything more about him.
As a kid I always wanted to be on his show either jumping over a car on my bmx, or shooting out all the windows in a house with a machine gun.
😂 Makes me sound crazier than him!
Not sure they'd have encouraged either of those fix-its.
I saw him once driving around the town of Otley I think it was. Long before all the truth came out.
Not sure I'll watch the doc. He really does make me deeply uncomfortable.
Watched it and he was one creepy man. Old folk seemed to love him the most. Decent documentary but overuse of sinister music in the first episode almost made it comedic in places. Didn’t need it considering the subject matter. I was born in ‘77 and honestly can’t fathom how he wasn’t caught. He always made my skin crawl.
Watching it all back now you can tell something isnt right with him and hearing his victims stories truely brings home how vile he really was
He always seemed odd to me as a kid. Around that time he was rumoured to be going to marry the daughter of a local millionaire businessman, and I remember my aunt and cousin being very uppity about him, but didn't say why - I was just a kid anyway.
They worked at Stoke Mandeville, and after the truth came out years later they said there was "gossip"about him. Shame no one acted on it years before.
but my shrewd old nan had him marked as ‘an orrible creepy man’.
MY mum always said there wasn't something right about him and also called him creepy. I just thought he was an arrogant ****.
It's a hard watch but I'm sure you can see some of the interviewers have *that* look towards him the have I got news for you episode and some of the hospital stuff that picture the kid drew for him stick to mind
My mum had him as wrong un would not let us watch the fix it program
As a kid, i found him creepy.
My mums opinion was “he’s a nonce”
She never met him, so i assumed she was, perhaps, a bit more sensitive to such things, having been sexually assaulted by her best friends neighbour when she was 12.
**** knows how he got away with it for decades.
One would hope, in these days of social media etc, that the chances of it happening again are tiny.
When i rule this country, nobody would ever be a nonce twice.
Remember seeing the Louis one and even then thought he just seemed so bizarre, then the truth officially came out….I’ll be interested to see how this is written in comparison
ANOTHER coverup by the establishment and Yorkshire Police.
Coogan is playing him in the forthcoming drama series. In an interview a couple of weeks ago he said that he played Saville as a charismatic and very likeable person. Which he was. It’s too easy to apply the “monster” rear view goggles with what is now widely known.
I always like to think why would I think any different at the time than those who didn’t notice? And the truth is, I probably wouldn’t either. It’s how he got away with it. He was likeable - if a bit creepy. Never did get to meet the Red Arrows either.
through the keyhole, Jimmy Saville edition has just popped up on my utube feed. :/
Very well done. I use to watch him, I can remember my Dad a very experienced mental health nurse then lecturer being suspicious of him. My Dad worked on secure units and other wards with paedophiles.
The documentary just showed how very manipulative he was, knowing what protection being famous and raising money for charities would do for access and protection. Second episode was very disturbing with some of the victim speaking in detail.
With foresight there was a lot red flags, ignorance, possibly covering up and missed opportunities to challenge him.
It’s amazing how so many normal people have had him down as creepy as **** even at the height of his crimes sad to now know how many of the elite never spotted the obvious or never chose to see them
Mum tried to get brother on show after sending his slides of scout jamboree off for development with no return address! Luckily got no reply nor return trip to New York.
An insight into
My god, that's 13 minutes I'll never get back. Never seen a bloke talk so much whilst saying so little.
I had a bit part on an epsiode of Savile's Travels when I was about twelve. Thought he was a bit odd in a showbiz kind of a way but that's all really.
Got his signature. Don't know what happened to it.
The bit with Gary Glitter was very telling…. With what we know now
It’s just mad how he had nearly everyone fooled.
As other have said above, he didn't have nearly everyone fooled. As a teenager in the 80's it was pretty well known amongst my generation. No evidence obviously but we just knew.
The bit with Gary Glitter was very telling…. With what we know now
Yep, I think that was my take on that he wasn’t actually hiding it, it was all in plain sight, it’s probably how he got away with it.
I think he was right with being ‘tricksy’ rather than clever.
It’s interesting that as kids a lot of us thought he was creepy whereas a lot of the adults thought he was a saint.
As other have said above, he didn’t have nearly everyone fooled. As a teenager in the 80’s it was pretty well known amongst my generation. No evidence obviously but we just knew.
Well there was that sex pistols interview, I didn’t see that at the time, I don’t remember anyone talking about him tbh.
As a teenager in the 80’s it was pretty well known amongst my generation. No evidence obviously but we just knew.
As a teenager of the 80’s I had no clue at all.
Well there was that sex pistols interview, I didn’t see that at the time
No one did. It wasn’t shown until afterwards.
As a teenager of the 80’s I had no clue at all.
Likewise. I always saw him as an eccentric showbiz personality who also did lots of stuff for charity. I had absolutely no idea that he was anything other than that.
Okay, fair enough. From my perspective, and my wife's who was also teenager in 80's we and our friends had him figured.
Guess we were teenagers in more cynical/sceptical circles...
My wife’s Canadian, and so has none of the cultural baggage that comes from being immersed in the BBC of that era.
Her opinion (perhaps with hindsight) was that he couldn’t have been more obviously a wrong un without changing his name to Jimmy FiddlingSaville and ridden everywhere in a coach made entirely of children's bones.
Aside from the obvious horrors of what he did, that documentary doesn't show the UK in a good light does it? To the casual outside observer the UK looks like a nation of oddball village idiots governed by an arrogant and aloof elite. This country has always had a major problem with honesty and openness about sex, combine that with a culture of deference in a stratified society and Savile is the inevitable result. Makes you wonder whether some of the conspiracy theories of endemic peadophilia in the UK elite are true.
Irvine Welsh wrote about a character, Freddy Royle, in 1996, that is obviously based around Jimmy Saville.
I've not seen the documentary yet, and I'm not sure if I want to, tbh.
As a kid I attended the church at SMH, where the Spinal Unit is in which he had a 'personal room', and he was a frequent visitor to Mass (the church service). He would come in a few minutes into the service and stand in the doorway of the priest's office at the back; you always knew when he was in though as there'd be two crisp twenty-pound notes in the collection plate. I was (for my sins!) an altar boy and was always slightly in awe of this bloke off the telly, though he never spoke to me or the other lads. My mum was a ward sister at the hospital and had had to show him around a few times and she always knew he was a wrong'un.
Wind forward ten years or so and I could usually be found drinking at the student nurse bar at the hospital (ever hopeful...). He was still a presence at the time and would wander around the whole hospital unchallenged, however all of the student nurses knew he was very gropey and would avoid him at all costs. The older nurses all knew of his reputation too. However his reputation was just as a bit too cuddly and squeezy and just generally creepy, like the pervy Uncle that every family seems to have. I don't believe anyone actually thought he was a paedophile predator who was raping young girls the whole time.
Yes, he was a monster. Yes, he got away with it for years. But you only have to look back at so many other culturally-accepted norms from the seventies to realise that people only saw what they wanted to see and what was acceptable then is eye-poppingly appalling now. He was seen by the public as a 'good-old-boy' who had raised millions for charity, and nobody wanted to recognise or accept what was hidden in plain sight.
Hindsight is 20:20.
To the casual outside observer the UK looks like a nation of oddball village idiots governed by an arrogant and aloof elite.
Sounds pretty accurate.
It's hardly just a UK problem. Watch the documentary about Gillain Maxwell and see how Epstein got away with much the same in Palm Beach, Florida for years with absolute impunity for much the same reasons. He was part of 'The Establishment' so blind eyes were turned across the board, and when he was eventually collared things mysteriously just 'went away'
Hopefully its better than the Madeleine McCann one Netflix did, what a shower of crap that was. A whitewash and totally biased towards protecting the parents. Jaw dropping that it left out some key stuff in a desperate attempt to make the parents look innocent. So based on that garbage I don't hold out much hope for this one.
. I don’t believe anyone actually thought he was a paedophile predator who was raping young girls the whole time.
The documentary mentions both SMH and the church, including reports from staff, patients and victims who all tried to report it. But no, not Jimmy he does a lot for a charity.
It’s hardly just a UK problem. Watch the documentary about Gillain Maxwell and see how Epstein got away with much the same in Palm Beach, Florida for years with absolute impunity for much the same reasons. He was part of ‘The Establishment’ so blind eyes were turned across the board, and when he was eventually collared things mysteriously just ‘went away’
It's hard to conceive that Savile was in such a position of influence as to act as an
intermediary between Royals...
Surprised further questions have yet to be asked about his dealings with Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson
https://twitter.com/OldTomYoung/status/1486476191095791619
The benefit of hindsight is used a lot in the world today, without often taking true learning but using it to blame.
One thing that has never made it out really was that he had a key to the mortuary at LGI and would visit at night.
People raised concerns but they went unheard because of his status and because people dont do that kind of thing...
One thing that has never made it out really was that he had a key to the mortuary at LGI and would visit at night.
He worked as a porter, he on a few tapes saying he liked to help out moving people around the hospital. He’d have a key being a porter.
To the casual outside observer the UK looks like a nation of oddball village idiots governed by an arrogant and aloof elite.
The BBC documentary about Mary Whitehouse is worth a watch in this respect. The section in the 2nd episode about paedophiles is pretty astonishing (viewing it with 2022 values) and may help explaining some of what happened with Saville.
I can't google for more info, because I'm in work, but the programme talked about pro-paedophile advocacy in the 70s.
He worked as a porter, he on a few tapes saying he liked to help out moving people around the hospital. He’d have a key being a porter.
Nope a mortuary is always a request to get in thing, and porters do not need access to the mortuary (bit where the bodies are stored) over night.
It wasnt to drop bodies off
As a kid I attended the church at SMH, where the Spinal Unit is in which he had a ‘personal room’, and he was a frequent visitor to Mass (the church service). He would come in a few minutes into the service and stand in the doorway of the priest’s office at the back;
When you do watch it, you may find you know one of the contributors...
It's horrific.
In hindsight, the Louis Theroux doc was a totally damp squib. Despite all the time and all the access to Jimmy, Louis failed to extract anything of substance at all. The output just reinforced that he was a bit creepy, but nothing more. I guess he was trying to make 2 hours of interesting TV rather than expose a monster.
But that gives some clue as to the skills ('tricksy-ness') Jimmy had in obfuscation and diversion. He was incredibly well honed at hiding in plain sight. 'My case comes up next Thursday...'
Not an easy watch but decently thought provoking and not sensationalist.
The section in the 2nd episode about paedophiles is pretty astonishing (viewing it with 2022 values)
This lot. Pretty shocking to the majority of people even during the 1970's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange
Nope a mortuary is always a request to get in thing, and porters do not need access to the mortuary (bit where the bodies are stored) over night.
It wasnt to drop bodies off
That’s very odd as it was always the porters who transported to mortuary in the hospitals up here and them who opened the door for us. On night shift they’re are very few porters even in a big hospital. They had a key for those who croaked during the night.
It’s a story that has been around for years, even before he died.
Genuinely used to think the paedophile information exchange was ABOUT nonces, not fo the use of. My gob was smacked when I found out.
I can’t google for more info, because I’m in work, but the programme talked about pro-paedophile advocacy in the 70s.
Not just in the UK.
Mary Whitehouse was always a bit of a laughing stock back in the day but she raised a lot of concerns that with hindsight, maybe should have been given more credence.
It’s amazing how so many normal people have had him down as creepy as **** even at the height of his crimes sad to now know how many of the elite never spotted the obvious or never chose to see them
As other have said above, he didn’t have nearly everyone fooled. As a teenager in the 80’s it was pretty well known amongst my generation. No evidence obviously but we just knew.
... and many others.
It's easy to nod knowingly in hindsight, and there are always 'rumours' about anyone who was a little eccentric. Hands up whose high school had a male teacher who was a kiddie fiddler and a female teacher who was a lesbian that liked to watch girls in the showers? Anyone not with their hand up?
Bollocks. We didn't know, not really. Savile was a bit weird - hell, he was a lot weird - but as others have said he was a master at hiding in plain sight. Now then now then come and talk to Uncle Jimmy, at number one it's the Pet Shop Boys, jingle jangle jewellery, totally not phallic cigar, run a marathon all for charity, dinner on the Revolution, big armchair, have a badge. That was Savile, most everyone on the outside looking in loved him. We didn't know any more than we "knew" about anyone else who was slightly eccentric, a stopped clock is right twice a day.
What is way more amazing to my mind is that there were people, plenty of people, who did know and said nothing. Did nothing. So many people who were complicit because, what, they were scared for their own sakes? Because it was somehow more acceptable in the 70s? Because - here's the kicker - they wouldn't have been taken seriously?
Your granny's dog-sitter's hairdresser who "always said he was a wrong un," get in the sea, she probably said the same about darkies. Those who did know him however, those who had interacted with him... there's probably a lesson to be learned here.
He worked as a porter, he on a few tapes saying he liked to help out moving people around the hospital. He’d have a key being a porter.
Nope a mortuary is always a request to get in thing, and porters do not need access to the mortuary (bit where the bodies are stored) over night.
I worked in a large London hospital in the late 80s, in a cancer research dept. One afternoon, my friend and colleague needed to have a chat with a friend of his who worked in the morgue. We wandered off down there and walked straight in, no security passes or codes needed. I wonder if there were different security requirements for teaching hospital's morgue compared to a 'standard' morgue?
Coincidentally enough, while I was working in that job, Saville said hello to me as he ran past me, one winter's evening on Blackfriars Bridge.
Pretty shocking to the majority of people even during the 1970’s.
Probably, but you wouldn't see paedophiles on TV these days asking for public tolerance.
We didn’t know, not really. Savile was a bit weird – hell, he was a lot weird
This is the thing I don't get about the whole thing - how did he achieve such fame, when he was clearly really ****ing weird? I didn't want to see him on TV, or care what he thought. Perhaps his generation thought he was still relevant, but it always felt really jarring when he was on TV, especially stuff that was supposed to be trendy (E.g. TOTP). Why is this creepy uncle on here?
Also, since 'everyone knew' the rumours, why on earth were people happy to be seen with him and endorse him? I hadn't realised (until watching the Netflix documentary) that he had Margaret Thatcher, Princess Di, Charles, Edwina Currie et al basically in his pocket. Why didn't they just maintain a steady distance? Actually, my theory on this is that these people were so out-of-touch with 'the common man' that they thought he was a typical salt-of-the-earth kind of chap and just didn't have the nouse to see that he was, again, really ****ing weird.
This is the thing I don’t get about the whole thing – how did he achieve such fame, when he was clearly really **** weird?
Because he was just weird a bit eccentric.
I wonder if there were different security requirements for teaching hospital’s morgue compared to a ‘standard’ morgue?
Not sure but as you mentioned not every morgue were locked at one time. I mean even wards are now but porters have keys (passes) to those.
We didn’t know, not really. Savile was a bit weird – hell, he was a lot weird – but as others have said he was a master at hiding in plain sight
And using his celeb status to cover up for him. A lot of them did that. Celebs back then were like royalty (not like the any-old-****-who-gets-on-telly-or-youtube celebs we have now) and had a certain power and mystery. But that Louis Theroux doc you mentioned earlier, when it came out it was .. can Louis make him confess? He certainly tried.
I remember a story about Gary Glitter and Dave off of Slade - one of them (I think it was actually Dave!) bought a house next to a girls' school so they could pick up, well, girls, easier. Somehow Dave's never been implicated in Yewtree, like many other 70s rockers who got up to this stuff.
None quite as vile as Savile, obviously.
Why didn’t they just maintain a steady distance?
Prince Charles, for one kept in touch as he believed Saville could keep him touch with the "average Joe" and had an understanding of the"common man" Which if nothing else just goes to show how out of touch the Royals are I guess.
Is it not simply that he brought a lot of money and profile and hence money.
Jimmy is fundraising for us again. Brilliant just don't leave him alone with the kids or bodies.
Express from 2011 reckons he raised £45million.
A lot of people will get forgetful for that sort of money when they're short for the bills and papers are asking why.
Made me think of Boris Johnson - if a person who hasn't seen the entire evolution parachuted in to Britain they'd be puzzled as to how this creepy old man/totally dishonest charlatan had managed to hoodwink the population and persuade them to deny the evidence of their own eyes.
It’s easy to nod knowingly in hindsight, and there are always ‘rumours’ about anyone who was a little eccentric.
Not really hindsight if we were saying it in the early 80's is it. And yes rumours, but no smoke without fire. And if those rumours come from people from the places he has frequented they may have a bit more truth to them.
This is the thing I don’t get about the whole thing – how did he achieve such fame, when he was clearly really **** weird? I didn’t want to see him on TV, or care what he thought. Perhaps his generation thought he was still relevant, but it always felt really jarring when he was on TV, especially stuff that was supposed to be trendy (E.g. TOTP).
Saville was presenting TOTP from it's inception in 64, it seems. Was he that odd at the start, or did he become odder as he became an institution? (I'm guessing the latter.) When TOTP started he was on Radio Luxembourg, which I understand was seen as a bit alternative. (It's before my time..) And having old presenters for kids TV wasn't unusual - John Noakes was well into his 40s by the time I was aware of Blue Peter, for instance.
By the time most of us were watching TOTP, yes, he was an overly old man on a kids TV programme, but I guess that still happens and we don't notice because those presenters were young when we were young.
The world was full of larger-than-life media-hyped stars who were often a bit weird and drove Rollses in the seventies. Think about the people Saville was presenting on TOTP. We had Slade with lyrics full of inuendo and Dave Hill enjoying a nightout in LA with Maddie Maddox. Which brings us to Jimmy Page and Led Zep with honey drip lyrics that didn't even bother with inuendo. Glitter was, well Glitter and Bowie stoked bisexual rumours. TV was as in-your-face as they could make it with tactile hosts such as Bob Monkhouse, Bruce Forsythe and yes, Jimmy Saville. In the time I watched the guy on TV (the seventies) I just thought of him as an over-top and crappy showman, harmless but irritating like many of the TV personalities of the day. We didn't know that behind the scenes he went beyond the touncy feely person he was in front of the cameras.
Then there was the context, we were being fed some properly sexist stereotyping back then and the groupie was very much a thing. You couldn't pick of a red top or even specialist music paper without pics and texts to show young women throwing themselves at men. Hugh Hefner was always surrounded by bimbos that seemed to have no other reason to be there than look sexy and one assumed be sexy.
Beatle mania, the Who playing to venues sticking of piss because of the mainly female audience relieving themselves in excitement. It was the narrative and reality of the day.
Young females being attracted to stars and the stars not saying no wasn't treated as scansdalous by the media, more titilating anecdote. Saville went further, that we didn't know.
In the 50s and 60s the US the justice system took interest, Chuck Berry did time, Jerry Lee Lewis was given a hard time but got married all the same. By the 70s the LA groupies and their lovers were left to get on with it.
The media, including the BBC were head in the sand or complicit, after all, there's no such thing as bad publicity and it sold newspapers.
And I almost forgot Benny Hill
And I almost forgot Benny Hill
And Carol Cleveland was "The Monty Python woman" who's role was mostly to appear either topless or as a set dressing.
Beatle mania, the Who
Rolling stones were pretty open about it as well
Mainstream TV:
Watching now - just shows you how complicit many were in what went on, including rock stars....
Shocking.
Just watching the bit with him and Garry Glitter.
****ING HELL!!!
Basically nodding and winking to each other, on camera, about their shared perversion
Unbelievable!
Creepiest Batman villain yet. 'The Fiddler'
Just watching the bit with him and Garry Glitter.
****ING HELL!!!
Yep, I think what makes this an ‘interesting’ watch is the fact that a lot of it is told in his own words and he wasn’t hiding it.
I think people took it as his patter but not lying means you don’t get caught out and there never was a ‘smoking’ gun unlike Glitter and his laptop which leads nicely to the part that friends reunited played when people were recounting the unhappy experiences of him.
Watching now – just shows you how complicit many were in what went on, including rock stars….
Shocking.
TBH at that time it was always fame fortune and the copious amounts of sex that came with it :-), a few probably didn’t realise his predatory nature for under age victims.
He was also seriously charismatic and unless you’ve been around people like that you won’t believe how other people will defend and almost refuse to accept anything negative about that person.
Page three and 16 year old semi-nude “stunners”.
If your skirt was short public consensus was you were asking for it if sexually assaulted (victim blaming).
Children generally considered unreliable narrators.
A general narrative that people (men) who do public work must be supported and their peccadillos ignored.
People knew at Stoke Mandeville they also didn’t have the support of their seniors to look deeper and/ or wouldn’t be believed. Same at the BBC. Private Eye has years of excellent coverage as they do on Cyril Smith.
...anyone remember the Sun doing a countdown to Samantha Fox turning 16 so they could run topless pics? Some guys get off on that stuff, and they assume it's most guys though it's really not. Bill Wyman and the 13 year old Mandy Smith? Polanski ffs?
But actually whilst we're on radio 1 icons in plan sight, what about John Peel? With his 13 year old 'girlfriends' and 15 year old wife http://andywalmsley.blogspot.com/2014/10/peel-reveals.html?m=1
just another point
my theory on this is that these people were so out-of-touch with ‘the common man’ that they thought he was a typical salt-of-the-earth kind of chap
fwiw he's close to a certain Leeds (as opposed to yorkshire) archetype of a hard faced guy you can't always tell is joking and you don't know what he'll say next, other than it'll be a sharp little question to keep you off balance. You see a lot of faces like that round leeds market.
the Sun doing a countdown to Samantha Fox turning 16
Chris moyles did the countdown to Charlotte church being "legal" 🙄
It's interesting how things become facts in some peoples minds, that are twists on what the actual truth is.
the Sun doing a countdown to Samantha Fox turning 16
It was the Daily Star and the girl was Natalie Banus. This was when the the Star was owned/managed by Sullivan and Gold. The reason I remember this is that Ben Elton did a rant about it in his stand up, regarding Dante's levels of hell.
Sam Fox did pose topless when 16 in The Sun, but there was no countdown.
Chris moyles did the countdown to Charlotte church being “legal”
Absolute bollox. Chris Moyles may be a complete **** but that's not true.
may have not counted down, but I do remember there was a lot of media interest in her turning 16, then getting papped and upskirted at 18
Radio 1 DJ Chris Moyles has run into trouble with broadcasting watchdogs for offering to take teenage singing star Charlotte Church's virginity.
Moyles made a string of on-air remarks about the teenager on the day she turned 16.
They included telling listeners to his afternoon show that he wanted to "lead her through the forest of sexuality now that she had reached 16".
It was the Daily Star and the girl was Natalie Banus.
Not my specialist subject and I defer to m'learned colleague 🙂
(Fox was 16 though which is is creepy enough?)