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https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/fashion/a22872539/tess-holliday-cosmopolitan-magazine-cover-uk/
This one
Now i must admit i'm not a regular subscriber, however i saw this in the supermarket. I'm pretty conflicted.
On one hand I understand that its great that the magazine is not using a stick thin airbrushed model for a change. I also understand the sentiment of putting a 'normal' sized person on there.
But lets be honest, regardless of whether you think that she is attractive or not, the model is (and there is no kind way to put this) unheathily obese. I have no issues with that in itself, her choice, but why is it acceptable to promote such an unhealthy body image on the front of a national mag, when its completely socially unacceptable to promote things like smoking etc etc
There are plenty of models/attractive ladies out there who aren't stick thin, emancipated skeletons. If you want to promote a healthy 'normal' body image, pick one of those.
Flame away...
How are they promoting it?
Never heard of her, so naturally i clicked on your link and the words to pop into my head would get me a ban if i posted them so i'm not commenting.
My bro likes a chubby blimp so i guess he'd be happy enough.
By putting it on the front cover of their magazine I'd say they are promoting it. You may disagree.
Perhaps the OP would have done better to read the article that goes with the photo, before joining in with the trolls body-shaming the girl in the photo, because that’s exactly what the whole piece is about. Well done, sir. 👏🏻 🙄
Can’t possibly do that Countzero, no you have to point that she’d obese and should ashamed to be promoting it.
There does appear to be no middle ground when everyone is allowed to call themselves healthy because they are not currently sick.
i can say that I am currently on a diet due to soaring body fat% and being an increased risk for diabetes, heart problems and other generally maladies... all entirely my own doing because I like to eat cake and biscuits and trifle and chocolate. I am like a goldfish or stupid dog so will eat until there is nothing left unless someone or something stops me.
you can look at the threads on here regarding food labels, soda bans, energy drinks etc. We have an unhealthy relationship with food and it’s far easier to just tell people it’s fine to be fat as anything else upsets them and is bullying. . it upset me when the doctor said i was getting too chunky...
for most of us it is our own fault when we are overweight.. sometimes we need a push, just depends on the person as to what that might be
...stick thin, emancipated skeletons
Ironic grammatical error? Or intentional irony?
It's all a bit too much 'Hey it's ok to be severely overweight, love your body, you are beautiful.'
Except it's not ok, it's very unhealthy and kidding on it's not is pathetic. Of course they are promoting it by putting it on their cover. Do it enough times and you'll start to get women and girls to want to be like that also. Just like it happened with putting all the ultra skinny ones on the covers and now with the airbrushing etc. Reading some of the so called positive comments about it shows that it is giving fellow overweight people the excuse they have been looking for to not to make a change.
"Of course they're mad that I'm fat, but that's every day of my life," Tess said in response to the criticism.
"The reality is I've never once told my followers or anyone to gain weight.
"I'm saying that I love myself and because that happens to be coming from a fat body and a bigger body like mine, people then equate it saying 'I'm promoting obesity and that I'm unhealthy'.
"Even if it was what I do with my body it's no-one's business."
regardless of whether you think that she is attractive or not, the model is (and there is no kind way to put this) unheathily obese
Not really your your concern is it ?
I wonder what she would think of you ?
This country’s full of people who are willing to point the finger and prod at something they disagree with, something or somebody they would rather criticise than accept.
Keep your thoughts to yourself I reckon.
And good for her, she looks amazing IMO.
No I didn't read it I'll admit that. Im not convinced I'm body shaming however, just pointing out the undeniable fact that it's not a particularly healthy body image!
Regardless of their motivation, you can't criticise magazines for putting images of stick thin girls on the cover saying it creates an unhealthy image for impressionable girls, then think it's OK to go to the completely opposite end of the spectrum with an equally unhealthy image. Why not use a plus sized model that represents what many perfectly healthy girls look like. Ashley Graham for example?
It's just my take on it...feel free to disagree.
I am still waiting for the cover of men’s health you be Johnny Vegas...
mind you I doubt many of the ultra ripped cover models who have trained and dehydrated to get the look are super healthy either... or I might just pretend that in my head as I will never put in the effort to look like that...
Not really your your concern is it ?
As we are “All in this together” and the NHS is funded from the community pot some people might feel it is everyone’s responsibility to look out for each other or to not be a drain on resources...
This country’s full of people who are willing to point the finger and prod at something they disagree with, something or somebody they would rather criticise than accept.
Keep your thoughts to yourself I reckon.
And good for her, she looks amazing
IMO.
The irony coming from you is pretty strong, given your history on here of constantly criticising everything you disagree with. If you thing she looks amazing then fair enough, but let's not pretend she's not obese.
They should just go the whole hog and have a picture of a fat lass (or lad) tucking into a massive fry-up, swigging Buckfast (other drinks are available) and smoking a packet of 20 B&H (other tabs are available).
Hey, don't judge, it's my body not yours.
Empowering the nation.
thin, emancipated skeletons
Emaciated.. Damn auto type!
If you thing she looks amazing then fair enough, but let’s not pretend she’s not obese.
Which no one is.
being severely overweight is indeed damaging to your health.
Being severely depressed because of it is even more unhealthy.
I'm far happier with someone being overweight but OK with it, than driven to self-harm or worse as a result.
She's got quite a twinkle in her eye, she'd be a lot of fun I bet.
No I didn’t read it I’ll admit that. Im not convinced I’m body shaming however, just pointing out the undeniable fact that it’s not a particularly healthy body image!
Body shaming is exactly what is being done. She’s not being treated as a person, or an individual. She’s being judged solely on her size and being criticised for not having a body in keeping with the standards of complete strangers.
She’s being judged solely on her size and being criticised for not having a body in keeping with the standards of complete strangers.
This is how the world works. We profile based on a look or a few seconds interaction. I would imagine there are some articles saying this is due to our inner monkey.
Chipps is reading this and thinking about an e-bike for the next mag cover
She’s got quite a twinkle in her eye, she’d be a lot of fun I bet.
Read that as sprinkles.
This is how the world works. We profile based on a look or a few seconds interaction. I would imagine there are some articles saying this is due to our inner monkey.
its funny how the internal filter gets turned off when people are obese though.
I bet they’d be much happier if there was a list of prescribed careers they could follow without disgusting people.
being severely overweight is indeed damaging to your health.
Being severely depressed because of it is even more unhealthy.
I’m far happier with someone being overweight but OK with it, than driven to self-harm or worse as a result.
She’s got quite a twinkle in her eye, she’d be a lot of fun I bet.
Can't disagree with any of that. I don't have an issue with her being overweight as such, it's her choice and if she's happy then good for her. I just don't think it's a body image that should be 'celebrated'. As a smoker myself l, I don't think we should be promoting that either, but it's no less unhealthy than being obese. Yet one being fat seems socially acceptable, whilst images of smoking isn't.
Question for those of you who think I'm body shaming. Be honest, if the post had been about a girl who was unhealthily thin would you still feel the same? Because I regularly read articles about how overly thin models promote an unhealthy body image. All I'm saying is it works both ways, regardless if if its not particularly pc to say so.
I bet they’d be much happier if there was a list of prescribed careers they could follow without disgusting people.
I was was told by a friend to never trust a skinny cake maker many years ago...
Now that you can’t be racist, sexist, pick on religion and once larger people are out of bounds it will just leave gingers as the last people to be pointed at. Once that goes no one will be able to deflect attention
My first thought was shit tattoos.
bring back rationing!
Question for those of you who think I’m body shaming. Be honest, if the post had been about a girl who was unhealthily thin would you still feel the same?
yes. The mistake you made was not reading the article and just making a judgement based on the picture
And good for her, she looks amazing IMO.looks like another bullshit, airbrushed, unobtainable cover shoot to me, exactly the same as every single other one they’ve ever done. Nothing ****ing different at all.
but it’s no less unhealthy than being obese
No it's far worse including those nearby.
Question for those of you who think I’m body shaming. Be honest, if the post had been about a girl who was unhealthily thin would you still feel the same?
Yes. You are the one making a song and dance about it, like it or not that's what you're doing.
My sister in law's pet hate is this assumption that every healthy woman must be this size and look that way. As a particularly slim women, owing to a career as a ballet dancer, all that stuff gets real old real fast.
Now I'm not saying that you are wrong but the way you are going about it isn't the right one.
No it’s far worse including those nearby
Obviously I mean to say 'no more'! I agree that forcing yout smoke on others is not on..hence the reason it's been banned in pubs.. Something i have no issues with.
yes. The mistake you made was not reading the article and just making a judgement based on the picture
The article justifying it by the publishers? I was giving my opinion on my impression of seeing it as I queued to pay for my groceries. Im not particularly interested in how the publisher tries to spin it if I'm honest.
And my first impression was its not a particularly responsible image to have on the cover. As others have alluded to, there will be girls who see that who think it's fine to be dangerously overweight, they won't read the article either. I don't see how that is a good thing.
Obviously I mean to say ‘no more’!
Errr! It is.
The article justifying it by the publishers? I was giving my opinion on my impression of seeing it as I queued to pay for my groceries. Im not particularly interested in how the publisher tries to spin it if I’m honest.
so you have no idea why she agreed to be on the cover, and you have no interest in finding out because you think the reasoning will have been made up to justify the picture?
So you’ve judged her on based on the picture, and decided on her motivation based on your prejudice. And you still think youre not fat shaming?
Errr! It is.
Is it? Average life expectancy reduction is very similar. In fact some studies show that obesity is actually more dangerous
I'm sure we can both post links contradicting each other but you are wrong to make such a sweeping assumption.. It's up for debate.
So you’ve judged her on based on the picture, and decided on her motivation based on your prejudice. And you still think youre not fat shaming?
I've not commented once on her motivation. Please quote me where I have. I do however hold reservations on the publisher's motivation, regardless of what they may or may not say in the article. It has certainly gained them far more column inches than usual, this was front page news on the BBC site a few days ago as I recall.
You’ve clearly stated you have no interest in finding out anything about the article. So your entire opinion is based on viewing one picture and making your mind up that it’s wrong, it’s promoting obesity, and they should have used someone else.
You seem to be perfectly happy to stick to an uninformed opinion, why is that?
Nothing new under the sun.
The Venus of Willendorf, created circa 28,000 BCE - 25,000 CE:
Because like most folks their opinion will be based purely on the front cover! But as I have nothing better to do I'll give it a read and let you know if it changes my mind.
Knock yourself out.
not using a stick thin airbrushed model
They are using a size 24 photoshopped model.
Size 24.
The cover shot is an advert to help sell the magazine.. they've probably smashed their goal this month as even wannabe mountain bikers are discussing the fat lass on the cover...
My reaction to the cover was something like this....
Anyway, I think the magazine cover will be viewed by future historians as the defining marker of our slow inevitable slide into idiocracy.
Fat lovers will love it. Others won't.
I don't like it.
She's not healthy. I'm sure she will insist that she is happy with her body, but I reckon she has had difficulty accepting her size.
Many of my cousins are heffers and although they will all happily spend money on their eye lash extensions, their nails and hair to help detract from their weight "problems" none of them are really happy with their size nor do anything about it other than complain and then end up saying that they are big and beautiful.
Allied carpets..... Roll after roll after roll.. ..
Yes. Till it dropped off.
'She’s got quite a twinkle in her eye, she’d be a lot of fun I bet.'
Yeah, but you wouldn't play Chinese ovens with her, would you?
Clearly a stunt by the magazine to get attention even if the story behind it has good intentions. The test will be who is on the cover of the next magazine and the ones after that.
Also completely hypocritical of a magazine of that sort to be pretending that they care when the past few decades have probably suggested they don't care that much and are very much part of the problem.
It is not healthy to be obese, it is not healthy to starve yourself to be naturally thin, it is not healthy to look in fairly good shape but live on a diet of crisps and sit on a sofa playing computer games all day. I don't think it is about that though is it....
With comments like these it’s not surprising that so many kids are self harming nowadays.
If you bothered to read any of the detail behind the article you would realise that it’s not about promoting obesity, but promoting body positivity.
That means that even if you are a size 24 or a size 6 and wish to do something about it, at the same time you should still love and accept yourself for who you are and not feel like you should hate your body and by extension of that yourself. You lot talk about overweight people as if they were sub human.
Not only is this point of view extremely unkind, it’s plain wrong. No one who advocates body positivity is opposed to healthy diet and exercise. The message here isn’t don’t work out and don’t be healthy. The message, as I understand it, is this: love yourself as you are, not only as you wish to be. There’s no law that says a woman — fat or skinny or somewhere in between — has to hate her body. Holliday’s presence on the cover of Cosmo is a reminder of this. And if you don’t think teenage girls are in need of such a reminder, you’re full of it.
If you bothered to read any of the detail behind the article you would realise that it’s not about promoting obesity, but promoting body positivity
You read Cosmo 😄😄😄😄😄
As Mrs Slack says, who apparently in her younger years was much much larger than she is now, inside every fat person is a thin person wanting to get out... A view I cannot either confirm or deny as my genes, metabolism and attitude to exercise and diet keep me at a constant weight and bmi.
My point being, where are her knees?
The irony coming from you is pretty strong, given your history on here of constantly criticising everything you disagree with.
Awe dodums. Did I piss on your chips?
Good topic, rather expected of you considering your history on here of constantly criticising everything you disagree with.
😜🤠🤣
I'm just glad I didn't visit the forum last night after too much beer. That ban hammer would still be ringing in my ears.....
The image promoted by various clothes, make up, perfume, film, media companies to women of all shapes and sizes is pretty messed up to be fair. It's an ideal standard that a teeny minority match, and most send years obsessing over and worrying about I know girls that are a perfect sized 10 but shamed by their naturally saggy boobs, I know black girls who have chemically straightened their hair for so long it's probably going to affect their chances of having a healthy baby, or even getting pregnant in the first place, and I know big girls who are constantly remind that that they are "unworthy", because they are fat (mostly by blokes at bars who are equally large, but that's a another debate, I guess)
So yeah, lets have more normal sized models on the covers of magazines. Although Cosmo? really? I agree with whoever on here said, let's see the cover model for next month and the month after that. I'm cheering for the woman, and the sentiment, but Cosmo can **** right off
Well **** me!! Mrsws knows of this girl and follows her on Instagram, I can now 100 percent say that, that photo is one of her better shoots!
Yeah, well it kinda gets me that as humans we still make decisions about people based on thier outward appearance.
The article (I read it) is quite well written, not one I would expect from Cosmo considering its history of promoting skinny kids looking like druggies on thier covers. But to thier credit those days seem to be over, well fingers crossed.
I still find it odd that Men’s Mags are rarely talked about on here.
Can't be arsed to read the article ..it is a womens magazine after all..my first thought upon seeing the pic though ( being brutally honest ) ..is "What the **** have they got a fat bird on the front of that magazine for ?"
Screw positivity ...It's truly unhealthy to be that overweight with all the health risks associated with it ..and shouldn't be promoted as being so..
I'm sure she is a lovely person though ..
Next cover will be middle aged over weight mountain bike owning IT manager sorry, I mean male model.
You volunteering Sirrom? 🤣
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/do-you-think-you%e2%80%99re-attractive-serious-thread/
Cosmo could use some of the pics from this previous thread!!!!!
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">One of the things that gladdens my heart is when I see someone overweight out running or on their bike.</span>
It's hard to accept you need/want to change, hard to do something about, and exercising is hard as **** when you're overweight/unfit.
Good on you!
My point being, where are her knees?
On the waiting list of an orthopaedic department?
My Mrs pointed out that the issue is one of self esteem. If people feel constantly ashamed of themselves it tends to make them depressed. And if you're depressed you're not really inclined to do anything about your problems.
If you feel like you're worth something, on the other hand, then you might be.
There might be some people who use this image to justify their eating problems, but maybe not - let's face it, our current tactic of being shitty to fat people doesn't work does it?
she’d be a lot of fun in bed
I think I'd be checking my life insurance policy before any night time adventures with her.
A delectable dirigible
An airship ? ...
Close I suppose ..just can't see it getting off the ground ..
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My Mrs pointed out that the issue is one of self esteem. If people feel constantly ashamed of themselves it tends to make them depressed. And if you’re depressed you’re not really inclined to do anything about your problems.
Well this is part of the issue. Trouble is the ideal body shape is dictated by a few outlets in print and moving media. This has always been the case and is there for both sexes. Take a look at the male and female leads over the past 50 years. Look at how every female lead must be skinny and every male must be an althete or more so now a bodybuilder. If you are fat then you can be the funny one...
The odd thing is the media has changed. In the last decade or so it has become more acceptable to be different. I cannot say if this has helped or not. As s society in the West we seem to be over consuming and looking to justify our “growth” so we don’t have to face the reality of our lifestyle.
i do not believe that people should be fat or skinny shamed and believe that each person has a healthy weight/shape. The girl in the photo is not this and while she might be happy we should not celebrate obesity. Nor should we celebrate extreme dieting, excessive alcohol consumption etc.
Although men seem to get the blame for the pressure on women's body image, it seems to me that men are far more accepting of a wider range of body types in women than the women themselves.
I think the cruelest delusion is "fat but fit". Anyone who has put on significant weight and previously been fit knows that generally ain't so.
Although men seem to get the blame for the pressure on women’s body image, it seems to me that men are far more accepting of a wider range of body types in women than the women themselves.
Its all about availability rather than just appearance... 😃
every year there is a thread on this site about people trying to lose weight or gain fitness be it for appearance, health or any other reason that an individual may have. As a group I doubt there are many people on here who have at one time not felt bad about their appearance. Knowing that you need to work to be better and that it is hard is not a bad thing. Neither is understanding that your better is not the same as someone else’s.
She's a fat mess and her legs are on back to front.
Can having a positive body image can be harmful if it makes the hugely obese less likely to lose a bit of weight?
Having an obese woman on their front page isn't getting more normal sized women featured in the magazine.
She's obese and is heading for type 2 . Not a good message to send out at all. Likewise the lollipop head models are not sending out a good message. It's a move by the magazine to grab sales and internet space, which it has.
When I was about 17, I would've.
Just sayin.
What ...?
No , nay , never ..you couldn't pay me enough ..
Although men seem to get the blame for the pressure on women’s body image, it seems to me that men are far more accepting of a wider range of body types in women than the women themselves.
really? Read through the comments in this thread again
Like the OP, I don’t understand why smoking too much is bad and the morally upstanding can look down their noses at it, when eating too much is just fine and dandy. I’m not disgusted or excited when looking at her, I don’t really feel the need to pass judgement - I just don’t understand.
But I do worry that the normalisation of that shape is just part of the slow slide (roll?) into obesity for the UK. It’s a major public health problem and we’re doing it wrong IMHO.
Wouldnt look out of place on any council estate , fat lass with tatts, all it needs is a fag in it's gob.
But I do worry that the normalisation of that shape is just part of the slow slide (roll?) into obesity for the UK
Why how many read cosmo?
I just see a pretty, attractive woman.
They come in all shapes and sizes, you know? Just like blokes, but with the added scrutiny and judgemental crap clearly being demonstrated by a lot of people on here.
When you've finished s****ing and mocking the cosmo article, perfect though you doubtless are, maybe have a read about the amount of young girls self harming due to unrealistic body image projected onto them by a society of nasty judgemental nobheads
How many of the womens magazines have male editors? Every survey/study I've ever seen shows that in general men prefer women in the healthily curvey range. Stop blaming men for all of women's problems. They are perfectly capable of inflicting their own misery on themselves.