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British people have been citizens since 1949. That's longer than most republics have even been in existence.

Crikey...lots of them sounded like serfs today.

Monarchy = irrelevant. She probably is a pleasant elderly person but these are not in short supply - so not deserving of special privilege and adoration IMHO.

Personally I think we'd be better off with the Monarch having greater powers, we'd have more consistent centrist government as a result

Jambalaya in pro-establishment shocker 🙂

I can almost picture you going around telling people to know their place. It really is some bubble you live in, must be very comforting.

Nah he has to be trolling
Not even ninfan has tried that argument
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For those on the "it's archaic and undemocratic" side of the debate, have you ever turned your attention to the City of London?

A tiny city within the heart of the nation's capital that has its own laws, its own special representative in parliament, doesn't hold democratic elections and is run by a corporation of medieval guilds older than the UK and the Magna Carta.

GrahamS - I believe that's known as 'whataboutery'. I do know about that and I'm extremely unhappy about that too. However I don't see the City of London constantly trumpeted as some great institution that we all ought to be proud of.

For those on the "it's archaic and undemocratic" side of the debate, have you ever turned your attention to the City of London?

That's archaic and undemocratic, too.

However I don't see the City of London constantly trumpeted as some great institution that we all ought to be proud of.

JAMBALAYA TO THE FORUM
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Well I hope that she has had a very enjoyable day despite the unwanted attention.

Remarkable achievement.

What is?

The best time to celebrate a royal head of state is when you have it on a spike at the city gates.

Must admit,over the years I have gone from 'don't see the point' to a grudging acceptance that the monarchy has its uses: after all, how many Heads of State can you name. Germany? Ireland? The only ones we know are the ones who have executive power like France or the US.

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I mean, we all know who he is ^

For those on the "it's archaic and undemocratic" side of the debate, have you ever turned your attention to the City of London?

The makeup of the [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_Council ]Ascension Council[/url] would suggest that despite the ceremonies surrounding it the City of London is tied to the Monarchy:

In the United Kingdom, the Accession Council is a ceremonial body which assembles in St. James's Palace upon the death of a monarch (Demise of the Crown), to make a formal proclamation of the accession of his or her successor to the throne, and to receive a religious oath from the new monarch.
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The Council is made up of Privy Counsellors, members of the House of Lords, the Lord Mayor of the City of London, the Aldermen of the City of London and the High Commissioners of some Commonwealth countries.[/b]

Here is a Lord Mayor of London with Leon Brittan's wife, in a situation she seemed to have forgotten before being presented with the photo:

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Here is the same Lord Mayor of London with the Queen, that afternoon she claimed to not be tied to the establishment in her role as head of the child abuse inquiry:

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Francis Lee's* Irish cousin?

*'one for the old 'uns

GrahamS - I believe that's known as 'whataboutery'. I do know about that and I'm extremely unhappy about that too.

Not my intention - I just thought that if people were that upset by the notion of a Queen (everyone knows about) then they'd also might be interested in those videos about the City Of London (which I for one didn't know).

Also it's another good CGPGrey video and I love his videos.

It would be interesting to know just how many deep rooted links there are (e.g. Ceremonial, Financial, Strategic, Symbolic etc) between The City of London, The Monarchy, The Commonwealth and Foreign Policy, though no doubt it would be a complex web

Well yes. That's how these things work isn't it?

I'd be a lot more worried if we [i]didn't[/i] have a complex web of deep rooted links between those things!

Wonder what financial and strategic interests the City of London and the Monarchy have in the [url= http://www.dsei.co.uk/ ]World's Largest Arms Fair in London next week[/url]?

It certainly helps to sell weapons if you've a recent display of their successful deployment.

Dem lizards like big gunz.

It's touching that the only people who think the monarchy are really powerful are monarchists, conspiracy theorists and tourists.

Here is the same Lord Mayor of London with the Queen, that afternoon she claimed to not be tied to the establishment in her role as head of the child abuse inquiry:

Confusion is often rife on here, but I rarely succumb to it...

As an aside from the sniping and haters, this is a really lovely photo for any elderly couple:

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Quite. They should be treated just like any other elderly couple too...

how many Heads of State can you name. Germany? Ireland? The only ones we know are the ones who have executive power like France or the US.

A match made in heaven?

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British people can name their head of state?

British, Canadian, Australian, New Zealandian and about 29 others I can't remember ([url= http://www.financialsecrecyindex.com/faq/britishconnection ][b]many of which are the world's murkiest tax havens, deeply tied to the City of London[/b][/url]) all have the same head of state...

....& he's off and running

I have little time for Philip and find him to be an offensive old fart

However in order to consider him a Nazi one has to ignore the small fact that he fought against them in the war and convict him due to who his sister married.

A view so daft only JHJ will say it

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Good God man. German connections you say? This changes everything 🙄

However in order to consider him a Nazi one has to ignore the small fact that he fought against them in the war

Is that a bit like the logic that since Chemical Weapons were a reason given for the Invasion of Iraq, then they couldn't possibly have been supplied by the UK(and US)?

[url= https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2003/03/chem-m13.html ]Thatcher backed British Firm in Building Chemical Weapons plant in Iraq[/url]

[url= http://www.****/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html ]Donald Rumsfeld Helped Iraq get Chemical Weapons[/url]

Quite apart from all that, I'd like to know more about the story of Anthony Blunt (along with Lord Mountbatten, Edward Heath and the head of MI6, linked to Kincora Abuse) and his trip to Kronberg Castle...

Is that a bit like the logic that since Chemical Weapons were the reason given for the Invasion of Iraq, then they couldn't possibly have been supplied by the UK(and US)?

Yes its just like that both claims are untrue.

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Really? Some of you really?

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[url= http://peteralanlloyd.com/back-part-2/british-khmer-rouge-apologist-murdered-in-cambodia-after-a-meeting-with-pol-pot/ ]Malcom Caldwell [/url]

Junkyard - lazarus
I have little time for Philip and find him to be an offensive old fart

As for the Nazi BS it just goes to show JHJ has run out of steam on his usual rants or is just taking a new run at the ban hammer...

I do like that the internet has a conspiracy for everything that ever happens and that JHJ is happy to trawl through and find it for us.

I'm always left thinking that there must be one overarching conspiracy that's never seen the light of day and that the ones we know about are allowed to be out there to keep those interested happy whilst they live in ignorance of the real problem facing the world.

If I were a conspiracy theorist that thought would keep me awake at night.

I'm always left thinking that there must be one overarching conspiracy that's never seen the light of day

My theory is that alien conspiracies are actually a government conspiracy to make us think they're really competent enough to hide the existence of aliens for over 50 years.

I feel I must correct a glaring omission to this thread.

Ahem.

In response to the title:

Wham! Bam!

Carry on.

thestabiliser fancies the quee-een!! the stabliser fancies the quee-een!!

I thought it was just GrahamS...

As an aside from the sniping and haters, this is a really lovely photo for any elderly couple:

(Conspiracy theorists aside,) I don't think many people hate them, just their position. I actually feel sorry for them; imagine being William and seeing the press attention that Kate receives, after what that did to his mother.

(Conspiracy theorists aside) Some might say that the poor daaah-lings are more than adequately compensated for any discomfort they suffer.

If he felt that bad about it he could, you know, abdicate and go get a proper job.

Every hole's a goal.

It does surprise me that Prince Phillip went to his sisters funeral though. Highly unusual.

thestabiliser fancies the quee-een!! the stabliser fancies the quee-een!!
I thought it was just GrahamS...

Actually I do think she looks pretty fine in that photo of her younger self.

Proper posh scrumpet 😀

Steady on!!

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So whats the actual point in posting the same stupid pic twice on one page? Did you not get the correct response first time. Nothing more sinister than kids running round dressed as cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians at the time. I bet if we pulled out pics of most people from that age something they were doing would look wrong today.

Not [i]that[/i] photo of her younger self JHJ 😀

Meanwhile, here's the England football squad respectfully performing nazi salutes during the German national anthem in a game against Germany in Berlin in 1938.

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Funny how different things look with hindsight eh?

Makes you think though.

I don't think many people hate them, just their position

Again I have no time for the queen* but to portray her as a Nazi sympathisers is something only JHJ will find credible.

* i am a card carrying member of republic
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Junkyard - lazarus
She is trapped in the role

She can abdicate but she was born in to the role and she had less choice in her own destiny than you or I do ;her role was pre ordained from birth [ ok a bit later in her case].

Trapped may be overstating it but you get the point.
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I was assuming Junkyard couldn't see that little addition to his posts. 😆

To be fair, the Nazi salute does seem to have been quite prevalent...

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Trapped may be overstating it but you get the point.

She has the option to quit, like her Uncle, but she's been conditioned from an early age to think it's not really an option.

She has the option to quit, like her Uncle, but she's been conditioned from an early age to think it's not really an option.

We have all been conditioned to lead a certain life from an early age, school -work -retire -die, most of us do so without the trappings of incredible wealth and choices available to the queen.

Maybe she's just trying to protect her son from having to do a job she knows he'll hate?

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they like the show of respect even if you dont

Well done JHJ you found Nazis and folk pretending to be Nazis in Nazi germany
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school -work -retire -die

That's what we've had tattooed on our two

and just in case we haven't done enough thinking
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With the talk of a Republic it's worth noting when the Australians had a vote it was conclusively in favour of retaining the Queen as head of state.

Republicans are most likely in the majority in Australia, but (IIRC) the vote was split because they couldn't agree on what to replace the monarch with.

Couldn't you just put 'DrP' like everyone else with a signature?

NO NO And NO
Jam said it was resounding and he will be back in a minute to tell us how right he was and still is.

Junkyard - lazarus
She can abdicate but she was born in to the role and she had less choice in her own destiny than you or I do ;her role was pre ordained from birth [ ok a bit later in her case].

Trapped may be overstating it but you get the point.

I really don't! 😆

ransos - Member
With the talk of a Republic it's worth noting when the Australians had a vote it was conclusively in favour of retaining the Queen as head of state.
Republicans are most likely in the majority in Australia, but (IIRC) the vote was split because they couldn't agree on what to replace the monarch with.

Personally, I've nothing against the royals as individuals, but their time is well up.

[quote=wwaswas opined]Couldn't you just put 'DrP' like everyone else with a signature?

Its ok I have amended it
wwaswas bullied me into having no signature 😥

I really don't!

Junkyard - lazarus
I really don't!

JHJ picture based posts are what you need then

don't really think it's don't get, rather I don't accept the point! 😀

There's not really anything to replace though, just take away the pomp.

And make the world just that little bit duller. 🙁

Do you reckon any of those crowds and pipe bands would have shown up to watch the borders railway being officially opened by someone from Scotrail middle management?

Do you reckon any of those crowds and pipe bands would have shown up to watch the borders railway being officially opened by someone from Scotrail middle management?

Yes, the Queen or a Scotrail manager are definitely the only two options available. That's the trouble with you royalists - no imagination.

[i]wwaswas bullied me into having no signature[/i]

Now I feel sad.

Yes, the Queen or a Scotrail manager are definitely the only two options available. That's the trouble with you royalists - no imagination.

Well I suppose they could just wheel out whichever C-list Scottish celebrity was available. The Festival has just finished so they might have found some still hanging about in the bars.

[i]"Ladies and Gentleman, please put your hands together for that guy who appeared in episode 11 of Still Game..."[/i]

😀

GrahamS - Member
There's not really anything to replace though, just take away the pomp.
And make the world just that little bit duller.

Do you reckon any of those crowds and pipe bands would have shown up to watch the borders railway being officially opened by someone from Scotrail middle management?

Although, if not, you and me have polar opposite definitions of the word dull. 😆

GrahamS - Member

Do you reckon any of those crowds and pipe bands would have shown up to watch the borders railway being officially opened by someone from Scotrail middle management?

I think the pipe bands will play the opening of a corner shop, as long as they get paid, tbh.

Thousands of people turned up in Edinburgh to see J-Lo not leave a hotel all day, it's hard to say to what extent people show up because they love the queen, and to what extent it's just a free show and a celebrity and a cool train, isn't it?

We have all been conditioned to lead a certain life from an early age, school -work -retire -die, most of us do so without the trappings of incredible wealth and choices available to the queen.

Oh, absolutely, I'm not suggesting that she's hard done by 🙂

My world would be in turmoil if when railways & buildings etc were finished they were, you know, just used!

You do have to wonder about the mental state of people who enjoy standing around waiting for someone, anyone, to officially 'open' things.

Thousands of people turned up in Edinburgh to see J-Lo not leave a hotel all day,

Are we now arguing that J-Lo is more deserving of public adoration than the Queen?

My world would be in turmoil if when railways & buildings etc were finished they were, you know, just used!

Maybe some people like a bit of recognition when they complete something that they have worked on for years which improves the lives of the local community?

I expect when the new Forth crossing is opened there will be a bit of a celebration too - maybe another royal appearance - would you [i]really[/i] rather it just opened one day and no one mentioned it?

Do official openings ever prevent real world use of functional infrastructure?

Say for example the Queen had a busy schedule and couldn't attend for 3 months after something had become operational...

Would there be 3 months downtime, with staff and utilities being paid, whilst the facility remained dormant to the public?

GrahamS - Member

Are we now arguing that J-Lo is more deserving of public adoration than the Queen?

Nope, and I've no idea why you'd think that either. TBH, I doubt you do.

Compared with Boris I reckon The Queen's been good value for money of late;

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Boris Johnson's Mayoralty has cost London taxpayers at least £600million of wasted money because of poor decisions, ideological dogma and vanity schemes.[/i]

[url= http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/christian-wolmar/london-mayor_b_8099940.html ]http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/christian-wolmar/london-mayor_b_8099940.html[/url]

There's not really anything to replace though, just take away the pomp. You really don't need to replace that with anything.

Our monarchist friend mentioned Australia. What happens there could easily happen here: on a practical basis the Governor General (chosen by the government of the day, formally appointed d by the Queen) does all hand waving duties. They have no real powers and switch around every few years. People seem to like them. I doubt there is a shortage of volunteers. There is no reason why the same system could not be done in the UK.

Personally, I've nothing against the royals as individuals, but their time is well up.

GrahamS - Member
...I expect when the new Forth crossing is opened there will be a bit of a celebration too - maybe another royal appearance - would you really rather it just opened one day and no one mentioned it?

I don't understand why anyone would GAF about "opening" it. Give a party for the people involved, fair enough, but just remove the barricades and let the traffic commence.