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Oh yeah, an electric car thread is guaranteed to be less argumentative and polarised than that!
Interesting review, but fails to consider the needs of the average user who needs to tow a trailer to Azerbaijan every weekend.
With all that weight low down, the Model 3 grips hard, because particular attention was paid to development of the EV-specific tyres and suspension design to get the car to cling on, despite the battery’s mass
FFS, what is an "EV-specific" tyre? Are Tesla using the same marketing company as whoever came up with the e-bike specific saddle?
Ev specific tyres are a thing, to do with weight and lateral forces.
If i was still getting a company car, I would get a model 3 without doubt.
FFS, what is an “EV-specific” tyre?
A tyre prioritising low rolling resistance and big load capacity? Big acceleration loads but low top speeds? Compared to normal cars they're probably quite an unusual combination of requirements.
EV specific tyre = tyre optimized for particular model, just like lots of petrol cars. For Tesla, sound deadening foam is added inside. I'd also expect that the extra weight is catered for.
A tyre prioritising low rolling resistance and big load capacity? Big acceleration loads but low top speeds? Compared to normal cars they’re probably quite an unusual combination of requirements.
The Tesla is about 10% heavier then the BMW and has a claimed top speed of 140 mph. It accelerates a bit faster then the BMW, but its weight and performance aren't so different from typical sporty saloons. All tyres will be a compromise between rolling resistance, grip, durability, noise, etc. I don't see how EVs are any different in that regard.
I does make a very compelling case for the Tesla. Even if the worst case, middle of winter range is 200 miles I could make that work for me.
0% BIK from April next year would make it worth having a Company Car again too.
I don’t see how EVs are any different in that regard.
Except the bit where two sentences back you said it accelerated quicker, had a lower top speed and weighed more.
How specific does it need to be before you consider it specific, subtly trilobeular to even out the pulses from the electric motor? Its still black, round and has a tread on the outside.
I does make a very compelling case for the Tesla.
For many people, but not for everyone, which is what always generates arguments.
There is a caveat: around 12,000 miles a year is viable with this level of range, so if you can put up with some public charging (most people will top up overnight), it’s a great option.
There is a caveat: around 12,000 miles a year is viable with this level of range, so if you can put up with some public charging (most people will top up overnight), it’s a great option.
Don't forget that, unlike all the others, Tesla have a large private network of superchargers. from what I've read this alone is the major attraction to many EVers.
Just started researching electric cars and came across zap-map.com . Way more charging points than i thought existed. Also the model 3 not only takes type 2 connectors but also CCS. The supercharger is basically designed to fast charge a Tesla as quick as possible, but you can still get a fast charge with type 2 / CCS, just not as fast as a supercharger.
Don’t forget that, unlike all the others, Tesla have a random scattered private network of superchargers. from what I’ve read this alone is the major attraction to many EVers... who work in Canary Wharf.
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I think they are great - and I'll probably get one for the second car when the lease is up. I still need a 1000 mile in a go, 5 up with loads of luggage and tow a horse box out of muddy fields option (no really - I actually do this) so can't do 2 Teslas - yet.
Oh, and Zap - map. interesting but appears to show private charging points as well. There's one near me that is part of a hotel that you'd have to pay £400/night to get to the charging point. Wonder how many more like that there are in the map?
I still need a 1000 mile in a go
Do you actually do this without stopping for a coffee or a meal (which could be time used to rapid charge)?
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I still need a 1000 mile in a go...
No, you don't. I very much doubt that you drive for 15 hours straight without a break.
Yes, we drive 2 up, kids in the back through the night to the alps. Coffee on the euro tunnel, red bull until dawn! swap approx every 250 miles for a sleep each and otherwise just for fuel. All food / drink on board at the start. You're a bit tired the next day but it's an extra 2 days of holiday and the kids don't even realise that you're travelling doing it like this!
Edit -
No, you don’t.
Of course, you know what I do better than I do. It'll be 4 times we do this this year....
You WANT to do 1,000 in one go. Nobody NEEDS to.
I would still take my hybrid BMW 3 series over the Tesla.
Tesla’s are grim on the inside, don’t go round corners very well, and are difficult to insure and breakdown lots.
Hopefully BMW’s all electric 3 series will be out soon
You WANT to do 1,000 in one go. Nobody NEEDS to.
Nobody needs a car with the power and performance of the Tesla, BMW, or all the other performance saloons, but plenty of people want them. Limiting people to only buying things that they really need is a very hard one to sell to voters in a democracy.
There is a caveat: around 12,000 miles a year is viable with this level of range, so if you can put up with some public charging (most people will top up overnight), it’s a great option.
Don’t forget that, unlike all the others, Tesla have a large private network of superchargers. from what I’ve read this alone is the major attraction to many EVers.
To the best of my knowledge and using Tesla's site, there is a single Supercharger in Wales (where I live) but it really wouldn't kill it for me.
I looked at a Leaf about 5 years ago, back then it just didn't work, the real-world 60 mile range was too short and the, then existing charging points too slow and too far between. Range anxiety would be a constant thing.
250 miles though, even 200 miles is frankly a lot, I think perception says it's not very far if you're used to filling up and seeing 600 mile range, but even if you're doing a constant 70 it's nearly 3 hours worth.
For me, 250 miles (even 200 if that's more real world) puts me in range of Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, London when more often than not, I've be stopping for the night for work, there's a worry 'what ifs' but I don't imagine it's very hard to find a charging point in a major city.
If I cast my mind back over the last few years of driving the only time it could be an issue, Cardiff to Llandegla and back in a day for MTB Meet-up, I'd be stopping in Builth Wells on the way home for an hour, apparently there's a standard charger there, or diverting to Telford on the way back Not ideal, but worse thing happen at sea and it really is a once a year thing.
Then of course there's the usual argument because I guess most of us have done it at least once, the dreaded Alps trip. Looking at the Tesla site it seems I could do it if I was brave enough, I could get from Home to the Tunnel in a single charge and there appears to be better supercharger coverage in France, frankly the idea of getting to the Alps and back for £60 worth of electricity is appealing instead of £250 in diesel. To be honest though, it costs me £500ish to get from home to the Alps and back in Tolls, Fuel and crossing and it takes 16-17 hours, I'm tight so the idea of making that £400 seems great, even if I'd probably go a bit slower to save on the range anxiety, but in reality we flew this year, it cost about £700 for the 4 of us to get there and back with a hire car for a week. I'm aware nothing comes for free and carbon is produced generating the power for the thing and certainly in it's construction, but I'm sure 1 extra short-haul flight a year would be more than compensated by doing 12000 miles via EV rather than diesel. Financially it certainly would.
No, you don’t. I very much doubt that you drive for 15 hours straight without a break.
My full sentence, not just a part of it tinybits.
Yes, we drive 2 up, kids in the back through the night to the alps. Coffee on the euro tunnel, red bull until dawn! swap approx every 250 miles for a sleep each and otherwise just for fuel. All food / drink on board at the start. You’re a bit tired the next day but it’s an extra 2 days of holiday and the kids don’t even realise that you’re travelling doing it like this!
So, you do stop, both to swap drivers, have a toilet break and refuel the car. It's not 1000 miles in one go. So using VWs new 800v charging, a 15min break every 200+ miles would cost you under an hour on a 15-18 hour journey if you subtract existing stops.
Boom!
And here we go...
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Looks like the new v3 supercharger can charge up to 1,000 miles in an hour. That would mean the model 3 would be about 20-30 mins to charge.
No, you don’t. I very much doubt that you drive for 15 hours straight without a break.
My full sentence, not just a part of it tinybits.
Yes, we drive 2 up, kids in the back through the night to the alps. Coffee on the euro tunnel, red bull until dawn! swap approx every 250 miles for a sleep each and otherwise just for fuel. All food / drink on board at the start. You’re a bit tired the next day but it’s an extra 2 days of holiday and the kids don’t even realise that you’re travelling doing it like this!
So, you do stop, both to swap drivers, have a toilet break and refuel the car. It’s not 1000 miles in one go. So using VWs new 800v charging, a 15min break every 200+ miles would cost you under an hour on a 15-18 hour journey if you subtract existing stops.
TBH you're looking at a dynamic shift like moving from combustion powered cars to EVs there's not much point trying to argue it's all the same really, it's not. Even with all the recent improvements they still have a shorter range and take longer to refuel. Splinting hairs about how long it really takes to charge or whatever isn't really the point.
Our attitude to personal transport has been formed around combustion cars/vans/bikes. We've long accepted the negatives so they no longer seem important so when we compare our existing solution against new ones with different benefits and drawbacks they seem worse.
The 'motoring' press really don't help, a bunch of old men who got into cars because they're fast, make a noise they've learned to love and nudge-nudge, wink-wink think they're racing drivers at the weekend as they tear around the quieter roads being very anti-social and all that. Even when they're trying to be positive they can barely hide their disdain for EVs.
Anyway, I've started to go all off-piste and ranty.
So, if you must drive through the night like you're on some kind of Endurance Rally to get to the Alps before breakfast when the kids wake up, based on current technology it will take longer, you could take some solace from the fact it would be cheaper, quieter and smoother, but I'm as guilty as anyone else of disliking the new or unknown.
Or you could consider that for the other 51 weeks of the year the benefits/drawback ratio of an EV may be better than a combustion vehicle. At least now, and frankly for the foreseeable you will have the choice.
According to the article these cars are for junior execs. How many of you are junior execs? If not, move along.
Oh, right you are Daffy. I'll get one on order.
Only it's not big enough, or four wheel drive or can tow 3 tons, or 800w charging as far as I can make out other than that, it's perfect.
Did you miss the bit where i said I would get one for the other household car?
Possibly a dumb question, but is charging a 'leccy car from a hook-up point in a campsite feasible, or does it draw too much juice?
Seen some campsites that expressedly forbid it (not sure whether that implies it works but costs, or buggers up the supply for everyone else), but assume they'll come round to it and charge accordingly like they do for dogs, awnings, children, showers etc.
Perhaps I don't understand the mentality that makes you buy something that exactly fits your needs for less than 1% of the time you use it. The rest of the time moving around in something that is too big, with too many driven wheels, and the power to tow 3 tonnes when in reality it's towing just 200kg of humans. I don't walk around in a wetsuit everyday for the 3-5 days per year that I windsurf, I rent a wetsuit when I need one.
ALso, wouldn't a Model X fit almost all of your requirements?
Perhaps I don’t understand the mentality that makes you buy something that exactly fits your needs for less than 1% of the time you use it.
I would guess it's >1% of the time he uses it. Everything's a compromise. I don't get why people assume they know what vehicle is best for somebody else?
I rent a wetsuit when I need one.
I'd hazard a guess that that is easier than hiring a car capable of towing big things.
ALso, wouldn’t a Model X fit almost all of your requirements?
A bike would fit almost all of most people's requirements. And would be far cheaper than a model X. Why would somebody go and spend huge amounts (consuming huge amounts of resources in the process) to buy something that's less good for what they want to use it for than what they already own? Why would you think it even makes sense to do this?
The new Audi RS6 is a diesel.
Just saying.
It’ll be 4 times we do this this year….
Hardly seems worth carrying in doing that when you could just stop then drive on some more.
Do any of the apps show if the chargers are working or broken, in use or available? These are quite important details that haven't been covered.
The new RS6 isn’t diesel. The S6/s7 are.
If campsites have 16A sockets you can charge an electric car with its domestic adaptor. Most campsites have a few 16A sockets for luxury camper vans even if most of the pitches have 8A or 10A. Our Zoé charges on 10A sockets but not 8A. So far so good.
Do any of the apps show if the chargers are working or broken, in use or available? These are quite important details that haven’t been covered.
Yes, they tell you if they're working, in use, how many charge points there are and which network they use.
The new Audi RS6 is a diesel.
Just saying.
It's petrol.
Just saying.
Yes, they tell you if they’re working, in use, how many charge points there are and which network they use.
Good to know, although a leccy car is a fair way off for me.
I know we’re talking about 🤮 Tesla 🤮 and bimmerz here 😷
But regarding charging and the bazillion apps and companies that proclaim to provide all these wonderful uber impressive charge points, and just how many zillion watts they’re supposed to output... what would be good, is a single point that charges the car and not the owner, all through one single portal...
Like Mercedes do through Mercedes Me.
A single point of connectivity, regardless of the bazillion providers and cost packages.
The car knows when it needs charge, flashes a charge point that’s not being used, it the calls up the charger, calls Mercedes Me you turn up.. plug in.. go for a 19course meal, come back and drive off. And Mercedes contact the provider, the provider produces and invoice and the owner of the vehicle gets DD’d at the end of the month.
Saves all that ****ing about downloading a zillion apps for a bazillion providers doesn’t it.
Who’da funk it 🤷♂️
Better still chargers that make charging as easy as buying bread. I can buy almost anything with my credit card except electricity at a charge point.
I use 1 app and 1 charge card not sure what you're on about.
Really, then well done you.
iPad used at the same time?
Majik iPad...
May mate has owned a Tesla P-woteva since they came into the Uk, has about 7 apps on his phone and obvz the same amount of providers (incl Tesla itself)
Says it’s a PITA to manage.
Hey ho, you have magic powers. don’t forget that.
No, just use the right app.
right app
Which is...?
Of course, it's only 15 mins for a top up charge if a charger is free.
Not that I'm saying don't get an electric car. DO get one. Just change your habits. It's not that big of a deal. Except for the towing thing.
Zap-map shows a huge coverage which is why so many recommend it.
I'm sure you know what I'm on about, Drac. The German government does anyhow. The most common way of buying things is the crdit card. You don't need a working phone with wi-fi or a phone network to buy bread but you often do to buy electricty at a charge point. Example time:
Spain between Burgos and Léon, either we get a charge or it's 40kmh to the next next charge point. No problem I've got the right app, switch on phone - no network. No problem they'll be wi-fi somewhere - off to a bar (where you can buy a drink with cash or a credit card) but it's very old phone infrastructure in this place and wi-fi is so poor the app keeps crashing. They are very helpful telling me where the best phone signal in town is. Madame goes off for a walk while I wait with the car. When she gets a signal she activates the charge point and I plug in. She has to go for another walk to turn it off and liberate the car.
Charge points should have payment with a simple swipe of a credit card, less than that is shit.
So if the charge point won't accept a credit card you are reliant on:
Having a working phone with the right app
Some of the apps you have to have aminimum credit, say 20e, for a charge point you're only going to use once for 3e of electricity that's irritiating.
Have a phone signal.
Or wi-fi within running distance of the charge point in the time you have to plug in after activiating - or a passenger to do it for you
The Internet site needs to be up and running - imagine being reliant on STW at 05:00 Monday morning.
We were recently confronted with a charge point that didn't accpet our Mobive charge card despite being on the Mobive app. I rang the number on the charge point so they could remotely start it and charge us. They tried and failed but eventually found a charge point they could activate remotely so off we went, very slowly, the card worked at that one.
The new RS6 isn’t diesel. The S6/s7 are.
Thats correct, my mistake.
That needs to change before more people get on board.
I don’t as I’m in the UK the only time there was an ‘issue’ was at Sterling services which used a network and never seen. I downloaded the app and added some funds are, £5, I've never needed it since so deleted it. Isn't Germany known for not adapting contactless payments in general?
There's also the German problem:
Every single ****ing charge point in Berlin was squatted by a **** with a fully-charged hybrid merc or Beamer because you don't pay for parking if the car's plugged in and no-one does anything about fully charged cars squatting charge points.
Edit: and whilst there was a government initiative to force the 80 or so different charge point operators in Germany to make their charge points credit card compatible I have yet to see one.
Yeah that happens here too but it's pretty much any hybrid or electric that said free parking seems to be coming to end for EVs
Hmm done the 1000miler from Brizzle to Lorca(teeny bit further down than Alicante) I think the Autodrive features of the Tesla would be rather nice 🙂
Better still chargers that make charging as easy as buying bread
Mrs FD charged our hybrid at a hospital last week. Came to leave to go and operate at another hospital across the city, and the charge station wouldn’t release our cable. 3hrs later when the operator of the box actually acknowledged it was their problem, apparently the only way to release the cable was to turn the power off to the hospital (I kid you not) Mrs FD had already left by this point to try and not be too late at the next hospital. Lucky it was a hybrid and not full electrical. They had to post our cable back to us 🙄
Anyhow turn it around. Imagine the public reaction if all the oil companies and supermarkets equipped petrol pumps with the same technology as EV charge points with no-one around to help them. A wallet full of cards, a téléphone full of apps and still no guarantee you'll get any petrol.
I've only done one trip in the UK and used five different public chargers. One charger repeatedly switched off after a couple minutes of charge, the car was clearly overloading it. One was 3kW rather than the 7kW announced on the app. So a 20% failure rate and one very slow charge for me. The UK campsite was fine and even promoted the fact their sockets were EV compatible.
acknowledged it was their problem, apparently the only way to release the cable was to turn the power off to the hospital
So these things are not like the sockets in house - you just push in or pull out?
I assumed they were but with added remote or secure 'on' switch...?
Well I admit that I’ve learnt something, certainly the charging times are coming down to something that I’d find perfectly acceptable and the performance and tax benefits are great. Some of those apps sound very clever and I’m sure it’ll soon just ‘work’ but....
(I don’t know why I feel I need to justify this) I really do drive off road and tow several tons on average 2-3 times a week. On top of that I’ve currently got over 60 live construction sites around the country, not all require 4wd but some do. I also do want something that’ll be able to drive through the night with full skiing / biking kit for 5 to get me to my obviously optional holidays without stopping more than a few minutes. So what I’m saying is that EV’s are great, I’m sure in a few years there simply won’t be any other option and they will do all that I want but right now, although it’s getting there, it’s not yet. Of course, I could change my life to suit the car that gets stw approval but right now, I think I’ll stick for one vehicle, there’s a good chance I’ll get one for the other.
Instavolt chargers are contactless just tap you credit card and done. For me charging at home is pretty much all I do. Feels strange using the petrol car and having to put £60 in the tank. Just waking up to find a fully charged car that cost me £3 to fill up is much easier.
Loads of Tesla charging stations in France, and even two at our hotel in Morzine.
Sorted.
Some at Chunnel too.
Yawn...
Same old arguments, same ole POV.
Educate yourselves, watch Fullycharged Show on YouTube for all the latest upto date info on charging points/issues and watch the episode with Mercs latest EV in which they explain all the points I made above.
Or don’t... and continue in the bubble of “well, it’s fine for me.. I don’t know what you are talking about”
#blinkersoff
I don't think you've read the thread, Bikebouy, or you've only read Drac's posts.
Oooh! The Mrs had an issue at her work the other week, also a hospital, where it didn't release. She tried to stop button, the company tried an automatic reset still didn't work. She rang them back and got someone else who sorted it in seconds.
Forgot about that.
Yowsers - model x’s (the only ev vehicle I can find that will tow in the uk) start at £60k second hand! Whatever the benefits, however it may be able to do most of what I want, I can’t bloody afford that!
That didn't seem a fair comparison as the BMW came with options taking it from £38,325 to £45,505, compared to £36,490 for the Tesla, that's 10k more!
Can't help but wonder what the 7k of optional extras are??
Educate yourselves, watch Fullycharged Show on YouTube for all the latest upto date info on charging points/issues and watch the episode with Mercs latest EV in which they explain all the points I made above.
That was posted the last EV thread. It bares little resemblance to the reality.
Edukator has it though using contactless payment options like shops do would make it easier but it doesn't require billions or even 7 apps.
The cheapest Model 3 on Autotrader is £45k, where are the £36k cars?
So these things are not like the sockets in house – you just push in or pull out?
I assumed they were but with added remote or secure ‘on’ switch…?
Charge cables are not cheap ~£200 and they don’t come with the car. The cable is locked in to the station when you start charging and locked in to the car when you lock the car. I’ve often wondered how easy it would be to rip it out from the car. Probably not that easy but certainly very costly to repair
Go on the Tesla website...the entry 2wd model is around £36k. At 45k you're within a few k of the Model 3 Performance model territory which would P all over the BMW.
You only really need to get within 10k or so of the BMW price as by the time you take into account the far cheaper running costs of the Tesla (no servicing, tax or diesel costs) that is easily worth a good £10k or so on the purchase price.
The cheapest Model 3 on Autotrader is £45k, where are the £36k cars?
Here?
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/model3/design#battery
Charge cables are not cheap ~£200 and they don’t come with the car.
Depends on the manufacturer some do come with the car.
Better still chargers that make charging as easy as buying bread. I can buy almost anything with my credit card except electricity at a charge point.
https://www.zap-map.com/all-new-rapid-chargers-should-offer-card-payment-by-2020/
That was posted the last EV thread. It bares little resemblance to the reality.
maybe your reality
At 45k you’re within a few k of the Model 3 Performance model territory which would P all over the BMW.
In a straight line yes, but absolutely no other way. I’m sure it was on Top Gear or something recently and the handling was appalling
All the reviews I've seen rate the model 3 handling. Different to an ICE but IIRC it was quicker around the top gear track than a BMW M3.
Someone from the Tesla model 3 facebook group claimed to have bumped into the top gear boys at a hotel while they were filming in the area. They thought the car was amazing but had some concerns with the build quality and owing to the new found popularity also the availability of Super charging points.
The biggest ‘problem’ with weight is it’s effect on acceleration and we already know a model 3 performance would beat a whole host of very very fast cars on pure acceleration. Other than that weight can be beneficial.... that is why F1’s cars have huge wings to generate downforce to effectively weigh the cars down. Weight aids grip which is by far the most important thing when it comes to overall performance. Also how the weight is distributed is important. The weight is low down in the chassis which lowers the centre of gravity which is hugely beneficial for handling and suspension performance as it lowers the roll centre and reduces body roll and the inertial shift as the car goes around bends.... again why F1 cars and all sports cars are lowered as much as possible. The model 3 performance would P all over any 3 series Bmw. It just would.
Weight doesn't add grip, quite the opposite:
School physics tells you that F =< uN so max cornering force is less than or equal to the coefficient of friction multiplied by the weight in the case of a car. Aero aids to add weight without adding mass help, just adding mass to the vehicle doesn't.
Do some more research and you'll find that tyre characteristics mean that the coefficient of friction of car tyres does all sorts of wierd and wonderful things in response to load and road conditions and more vehicle weight is rarely if ever a positive.
None of this matters when driving appropriately on public roads of course, you'll be a long way from the limit of adhesion unless it's snowing.
maybe your reality
Charge Your Car has the biggest network use them at £20 per annum and it means you have no real issues.
Good to see that future chargers are using contactless payments though far more sensible.
They thought the car was amazing but had some concerns with the build quality
Pretty sure that’s what they mentioned on the show too but I can’t recall it in detail. Tesla aren’t known for their build quality though.
I'm just waiting on the company I work for to confirm if they're going to offer a car lease salary sacrifice scheme before I get a Model 3. I'm just pissed off they changed the model options and now you have to have the full-fat Performance option to get the crazy 0-60 (you have to have it with 20" wheels and other crap I don't want). The Long Range option would be fine but on lease it's barely any cheaper so not worth dropping down to. I also don't want white but don't want to pay extra for a decent colour when the paint is known to be sub-standard anyway
It accelerates a bit faster then the BMW, but its weight and performance aren’t so different from typical sporty saloons.
Are you having a laugh? It's far faster accelerating than BMWs in it's price range, sure 80-140 it's probably similar or maybe even slower but I'm not going to be doing that. Is 3.2s or 4.4s 0-60 relevant/worth paying for? meh probably not but you drop down the interior spec. and to 2wd going for the Standard model which I think I'd regret.
It handles well as the centre of gravity is low, sure a BMW M3 will probably embarrass it on a lot of tracks but I doubt I'd ever track it anyway so not really a concern. For driving on normal roads the cornering ability is perfectly fine.
I'm not a total Tesla fanboi, there's a lot wrong with the model 3 (quality control seems to be a shocker for one) and you are basically spending £45k+ on a car worth more like £25-30k without the battery so anyone expecting the same interior quality as a £45k German ICE is going to be disappointed. Having sat in one though it's more than good enough for me and certainly didn't seem cheap & nasty.
I also think Elon is way over-selling (to the point he should end up in court) the autonomous driving, there's already people in the US thinking owning a model 3 will make them money in a couple of years when Tesla comes out with it's robotaxi service. I'm not even specing the auto-pilot option as I know it won't be anything other than a gimmick for way longer than the 3 year lease I'll have.
The autonomous driving would be a big draw for me actually. Obviously I'd prefer it to drive itself completely, but it'd be nice to be able to have it take over for a minute on a quiet stretch of motorway whilst you eat a sandwich, stretch, rub your eyes, fetch a kid's toy etc etc.
Although I didn't realise it was an extra cost option. I might not spec it if it costs more than a few hundred.
F1’s cars have huge wings to generate downforce to effectively weigh the cars down. Weight aids grip which is by far the most important thing when it comes to overall performance
No, weight does not add grip. Downforce adds grip, but downforce and weight are very different things, weight adds inertia, which hurts performance, downforce does not add inertia. The most important thing when it comes to performance is power-to-weight ratio.
An advantage of EVs is that the batteries can be put under the cabin to give a very low center-of-mass plus a good front-rear weight distribution, this is very beneficial for suspension performance. An ICE is a huge lump that sits up fairly high and in front of the cabin. However, if the review above is any guide, the BMW still handles better than the Tesla. My guess on that is that Tesla had a lot of trouble meeting cost targets so had to cheap out on suspension (and cabin quality), whereas BMW make suspension performance a top priority. Also, Tesla would have had to compromise tyre performance for low rolling resistance in order to meet range targets, whereas BMW could choose higher performance tyres.