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Vasquex in Aliens is Connors foster mum in T2 bit of Trivia for you.
shes also in Near Dark along with Bishop and Hudson which was directed by Katherine Bigalow, who was James Camerons then wife
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also Brakes mentioned Star Trek 2009 being a good film
NO, you need you deserve a self slapping session- see from 25 secs in
the star trek reboot had no soul, Wrath of Kahn on the other hand.........
another issue I have with T2 is that because arnies temrinator was a pop phenomenon by then, it was aimed at a lower age group (was only a 15) so from massacarring every cop in the police station in T1, by T2 hes shooting police with grenades and a minigun but not actually killing them in an A-Team style.
also Brakes mentioned Star Trek 2009 being a good film
NO, you need you deserve a self slapping session- see from 25 secs in
whilst comparisons are unavoidable especially with all the character remoulds, it was made 27 years later than Wrath of Khan. things have moved on, it's a different kind of movie. I like it.
Star Trek reboots are excellent.
another issue I have with T2 is that because arnies temrinator was a pop phenomenon by then, it was aimed at a lower age group (was only a 15) so from massacarring every cop in the police station in T1, by T2 hes shooting police with grenades and a minigun but not actually killing them in an A-Team style.
Wasn't that because Arnie refused to do it if he was killing people again? A bit like Alien 3 - Sigourny Weaver refused to do it if there were guns so the contrived the plot where she could kill the Alien without them.
Biggest mistake they made with Alien Cubed was killing off Newt rather than ageing her by a dozen years.
The new Star Treks are decent enough films, I thought. Never really liked the old ones.
But the white Khan is a bit of a booboo.
Watched some of the first of the new ones last night - surprised at how much of it I had forgotten. Quite enjoyed it but bed was beckoning.
Odd numbered Alien, even numbered Star Trek
Generally true
Wasn't that because Arnie refused to do it if he was killing people again? A bit like Alien 3 - Sigourny Weaver refused to do it if there were guns so the contrived the plot where she could kill the Alien without them.
Or it's part of the plot line.
Or it's part of the plot line.
Or the plot line was written around the star's instructions?
SB: Did you have any say about there not being any guns?
SW: I think I said no to guns, but it wasn’t up to me to dictate those kind of things, but to me it was more original to investigate what real courage is. Which is when you don’t have any weapons and you cannot even get along with each other, how do you go about fighting this common enemy?
[url= http://alienseries.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/interview-with-sigourney-weaver-1992/ ]From here - so it seems she was asking, but not specifically refusing.[/url]
[url= http://paperkeg.com/post/24580252273/alien3 ]Or this
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Also Alien 3 begins Weaver having way more control and say over the script and story. James Cameron talks on the commentary for “Aliens” that Sigourney Weaver had three rules for doing “Aliens”1. No Guns
2. Ripley needed to have sex or some form of sexual encounter with the Alien
3. Ripley had to die.
Cameron laughed and said “I didn’t do anything of those things.” Cameron also said of Alien 3 “Well, I guess Sigourney got to make the Alien film she always wanted to.” Though Alien 3 lacks and “Sex with the alien” Alien 4 doesn’t. BUT Alien 3 has no guns, and Ripley dies. So how is Alien 3? With all the problems, lack of purpose, to many cooks in the kitchen and no script? Honestly… not that bad.
So wanted for part of the plot?
T2, by turns its the best action film made, the set pieces are just grand, and I'm with Cougar on the truck/bike/storm drain scene. Awesomeness.
However, mini John Connor does suck donkey balls.
The point being she didn't want to use guns so they wrote the plot around her requirements.
Considering all the issues surrounding it, a million rewrites, filming starting before the final script was ready, a studio determined to eff about with the film, and a million and one other issues that are well documented, on the whole alien 3 isn't too bad a film, propped up largely by actors ( as opposed to movie stars)
Still, better than 2
T2, by turns its the best action film made, the set pieces are just grand, and I'm with Cougar on the truck/bike/storm drain scene. Awesomeness.
The whole first part of the film is great, starting on the motorbike and the cut scenes with GnR blaring out throughout 😈
The point being she didn't want to use guns so they wrote the plot around her requirements.
As NickC mentions the whole thing was a mess for various reasons the directors cut makes for a much better film.
As NickC mentions the whole thing was a mess for various reasons the directors cut makes for a much better film.
Quite possibly. I think I have only seen it once or twice (although I do have it at home in my Bluray box set).
And no matter what they did in subsequent films, they were never going to better the closing scenes of the original. 😈
However, mini John Connor does suck donkey balls.
that bit is true and the only downside to the movie....he is supposed to be portraying Sarah Connor's 10 year old son...the most irritating fag smoking, cross bike riding and cash machine hacking 10 year old... 😯
Anyway, all this cameron-a-thon aside, Jackie Chan made the best action films. Mainly by actually hanging off helicopters, jumping motorbikes onto a train, and falling off busses. Comic, and utterly awesome.
Apart from the awe at his stunts Jacke Chan's films are bloody awful.
Jondoh if it's the blu-Ray box set that was on offer last year then that's the one, the cut of Alien 4 is also much better.
Jackie Chan filims are great. I generally laugh a lot.
Jondoh if it's the blu-Ray box set that was on offer last year then that's the one, the cut of Alien 4 is also much better.
Yeah that's the one. Loved the extended scenes in the original most of all.
I got the Blu-ray and re-watched all four Alien movies as (ironically) a precursor to going and seeing Prometheus. A few things I noted.
1) The transfer of all four is superb. They've done a brilliant job of restoring and remastering, Alien is a 1979 movie and it looks (and sounds) like it was made last week.
2) Alien^3 is as crushingly disappointing as I remember.
3) Resurrection, whilst not a great movie by any means, is far better than I remember.
and Prometheus?
Can open, worms everywhere.
Prometheus is frustrating I think, because it felt like inside there is a good movie trying to get out. What ruined it for me (other than playing fast & loose with the Alien lifecycle) was the sheer stupidity of the majority of the "expert" crew.
If they'd had some sort of plot device that said "yeah, we picked this lot because they're all expendable idiots and we don't want to bring back survivors" it'd make a lot more sense (and foreshadow Burke's actions in Aliens).
(Is it still foreshadowing if it's in a prequel made after the original? Aftshadowing? Oh, I don't know.)
Also, why can't they make a good Alien vs Predator movie?
Seriously. How hard can it be?
Seriously. How hard can it be?
Pretty tough because they are both 'baddies' and there has to be human interest too, so how do they balance it all up?
It was easy in things like King Kong v Godzilla because King Kong was the hero. I don't think they have managed that with the AVP franchise.
[i]3) Resurrection, whilst not a great movie by any means, is far better than I remember.[/i]
You were right the first time. It's shitty. The " baby" monster is shitty, and the casting is shitty.
Yeah I can see the issues, but the comics and fan-fic apparently manage it okay.
One nice suggestion is that the Aliens were genetically created as the perfect prey for Predators to hunt.
Not sure if they worked that into any of the dire films or not, but seems like that could form a nice angle.
One nice suggestion is that the Aliens were genetically created as the perfect prey for Predators to hunt.
Not sure if they worked that into any of the dire films or not, but seems like that could form a nice angle.
Yeah, the thing I struggled with was, if they were trying to kick each other's arses, why were the humans in the middle of it all. It's a bit like if a tiger was in the middle of a fight with a lion, would one of them go out of their way to kill a human? Perhaps if the human stood in between them both, but they wouldn't would they.
I am thinking about all this too much aren't I?
Apart from the awe at his stunts Jacke Chan's films are bloody awful.
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Oh dear I completely misread the title of the book.
Pretty tough because they are both 'baddies' and there has to be human interest too, so how do they balance it all up?
As enticing as a three way might seem. It takes skill to deliver the goods with little room for error to avoid at least one going home disappointed.
Pretty much sums up what's wrong with Prometheus...
Regarding Aliens Vs Predator -
A film without people in would never get made, it'd need some sort of human angle to get through the hollywood system, also not sure I'd want to watch a film with no human interest - I must admit, I quite liked Predators...
Back to the OP.....
[i]linda hamiltons character is interesting and she plays it well[/i]
Now I appreciate I may be a little out on my own here but...
When she escapes from her cell, cans the guards and then is running down the corridor......She is absolutely as fit as any woman that ever existed. That run...ooooooooooooooh.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
One of the sexiest film moments ever.
Hello? Hello?
I'm not with you there
oh.
What about Total Recall? The original obviously.
a young Sharon Stone?
"Quaid!!"
"two weeks"
T2 H2 dragged on a bit whilst TR held together throughout I think.
[i]Pretty much sums up what's wrong with Prometheus...[/i]
Hmmm, I use "understanding the plot and un-answered questions that prometheus proposes" as a 'B' ark criteria question.
I think it's misunderstood, and people have got used to Hollywood serving them answers to films in big flashing neon signs, when none of those are forthcoming, and you leave a cinema with questions, people tend to presume it's crap....Either that or I'm easily pleased.
I agree NickC I think people wanted it to give them the answer outright but it didn't partly because it's not the full story. I'm watching it now.
[i]because it's not the full story.[/i]
exactly, even a cursory glance at the fake Wayland web sites and advertising for David 8, and the Ted talk done by the man himself answers a load of stuff. People don't bother, don't get the full story, don't get the references, and bingo...crap movie
god, I sound nerdy
I agree NickC I think people wanted it to give them the answer outright but it didn't partly because it's not the full story. I'm watching it now.
To be honest, I find a lot of these drawn out multi part films (and tv shows) to be little more than cynical money exercises stretched out at the expense of the films integrity.
Look at 'Lost' ffs, and The Hobbit for that matter. Don't get me wrong, I'm prepared to engage in a long story, but it needs to work as a long story. And not just be dull contrived tripe milking a cash cow.
Personal opinion of course. And drifting OT.
exactly, even a cursory glance at the fake Wayland web sites and advertising for David 8, and the Ted talk done by the man himself answers a load of stuff. People don't bother, don't get the full story, don't get the references, and bingo...crap movie
I think you just described Donnie Darko.
never seen it, or may have done, as I always seem to come in half way through, or leave it halfway through...whatever.
good film?
[i]To be honest, I find a lot of these drawn out multi part films [/i]
Piemonster, the really sad thing is that the plot of Prometheus is elegant in it's simplicity, and the question is right there, all it doesn't do is answer it for you, just invites you to think a bit...Through the medium of really violent DNA shifting mutant Xenomorphs, and giant space alien religious engineering nutbags
What could be more satisfying
good film?
Well, it's better than Aliens.
Mind you, the film version of Are You Being Served? is better than Aliens, so not saying much.....
good film?
Point was more that it's one that only really makes a jot of sense when you've visited the web site, read all the supporting materials...
I'm kinda torn on this. I'm all for films being enriched by "multimedia" and tie-in websites can be a lot of fun, but when a film needs a book or website or some such in order to actually explain what's going on then really that's a failure of the film. There's enigmatic and there's impenetrable.
Take Memento. That's a proper noodle-baking movie the first time you see it; but there's enough info in the film for you to untangle everything. Ok, it'll probably take you a dozen viewings, but it's all there. Can the same be said of Prometheus? I'm not sure.
Take Memento. That's a proper noodle-baking movie the first time you see it; but there's enough info in the film for you to untangle everything.
Now [i]that's[/i] a fantastic film.
I find myself agreeing with Cougar a lot, lately.
Prometheus was, in general, promising, but failed to deliver, had the "accept stupid things" level raised too high (rolling spaceship squashing the lady who doesn't understand right angles, aliens that grow massively without eating a single breadcrumb, we could go on), and really, if you need to read a book to understand it, then it doesnt stand up as a film. Ridley Scott has made some great films but this was an ambitious mess.
Memento was excellent. Much like the rest of Nolan's output.
Cougar,
I agree, and Prometheus does suffer a bit from this, and there is a measure of "buy the DVD, all the answers are there" sales pitch going on....
But you can get it from the film, all those sources I went to look at after I'd seen the film, just to back up and confirm what I'd understood ( or not, like most I went out going, "eh"? )
Prometheus had countless moments of crap film-making and there were (apparently) moments of subtlety which take time to recognise.
Unfortunately, as a result of the first I'm not even remotely interested in the second.
I liked Prometheus but it seemed to of been edited really badly and quickly, there was a scene between Vickers and Janek that was obviously longer but had been hacked so badly it made no sense at all. I am no fan bois so dont know if there is going to be a directors cut which will fill out the story some more.
Still liked the film.
Prometheus was visually stunning but the plot and script was detritus.
Even my future wife Charlize couldn't save it.
Shame it wasnt what it was meant to be
I am no fan bois so dont know if there is going to be a directors cut which will fill out the story some more
Last I heard, the studio had asked for a Director's Cut and Scott said no. Dunno if that's still the case.
Prometheus was brought down by the clunky pseudo religious bollox that was tacked on and the re-working of the story to turn it into the 1st of a trilogy during the re-writes by Damon 'lost' Lindelof
not to mention some rather unbelievable actions of the characters
to turn it into the 1st of a trilogy
Holy unnecessary cash-cow-ing, Batman!
There's a pair of films that didn't need to be planned.
[i]Prometheus was brought down by the clunky pseudo religious bollox that was tacked on[/i]
The religious aspect of the film was a) mostly the point, and b) in there right from the get go.
bit late to the party but
Get. Out.Hell, even Die Hard 2 is awesomeness.
or donnie head **** as my mate called it, was a proper weird to watch then I checked the website and ooooooh!I think you just described Donnie Darko.
a dozen viewings? hmm I thought it was only a couple of steps up in complexity from pulp fiction, I'd have thought just a couple (or find the easter egg on the dvd that lets you watch it in chronological order) Cracking film tho very cleverly done.Take Memento. That's a proper noodle-baking movie the first time you see it; but there's enough info in the film for you to untangle everything. Ok, it'll probably take you a dozen viewings, but it's all there.
Seems lots of people are keen to explain Prometheus in various ways:
Take Memento.
If I got a penny for every time I have said to my wife 'have we seen Memento?', I'd have £5.63.
Making the joke about whether you can/can't remember if you've seen momento....also B ark criteria 😀
I know, I know. But I still catch my wife out with it 🙂
And 10 bonus points for where I paraphrased the joke from...
Prometheus fans seem to think that underlying themes were lost on most watchers. No, there was just too much of stupid action by nearly all characters which drowned all the good ideas.
Simple stupid 80's and 90's action flicks have their place - bad guys get always hurt which is not the case in real life anymore. 🙁
getting away from ridley's nut job of a movie....
terminator TV series and 3 new movies as part for a reboot - somehow a timeline split at some point in the original movie,
what do YOU want to see?
No, there was just too much of stupid action by nearly all characters which drowned all the good ideas.
^^^THIS, as soon as the idiots removed their helmets it was all downhill from there.
terminator TV series
The Sarah Connor Chronicles were very good, just a shame it was canned.
somehow a timeline split at some point in the original movie,
No need the Terminator timeline is constantly split.
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More Chronicles = more Summer
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more summer = more dullard acting, yet it does mean, more summer 😀
cut from the T3 movie was why the T100 looks like Arnie (because a character in the T3 movie played by arnie was used to model the robot) [url=
What's this T100 of which you speak? Arnie was a T800 model 101.
apologies, i got it wrong actually his full model is CSM-101 T800
Linky
That is awesome. Terrible. But awesome.
Love the people who use the woman running in a straight line from the ship was stupid. She wasn't getting away from it as it was freaking huge then it rolled over. I also reckon she shit her pants and paniced. Who care picking on such details when you've got a life form that has sulphuric acid for blood seems silly.
Oh and the xenomorphd have always grown without eating.
Cameron does the "shooting up a police station but somehow not hurting anyone" bit:
nickc - Member
The religious aspect of the film was a) mostly the point, and b) in there right from the get g
the original script is definitely more of an alien prequel, many of the sillier actions of the characters actually make sense
and noomi rapaces character is a scientist rather than a woolly headed whatever
nice comparison here
Love the people who use the woman running in a straight line from the ship was stupid.
If you were stood in the road and you suddenly saw a car approaching you at high speed, which direction would you run?
I stand by "stupid" here, I'm afraid.
Who care picking on such details when you've got a life form that has sulphuric acid for blood seems silly.
on the list already
Oh and the xenomorphd have always grown without eating.
so? still on the 'too stupid' list.
if that was about it, those two things, that would be an entirely manageable single serving sized suspension of disbelief, but Prometheus presented us with a whole smorgasbord of improbable, inexplicable, and downright impossible plot devices and characters
(and yes, I'm aware it was sci-fi)
If you were stood in the road and you suddenly saw a car approaching you at high speed, which direction would you run?
You'd be surprised how many panic and do nothing or get it wrong.
E4. Tonight. 2100
That is all.