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As a family we have decided that we want to start walking regularly and, after a wet week in the Lakes without any proper kit, I realise we need to get some comfortable and suitable kit for walking during the winter months.
The last time I walked regularly it was simply a case of leggings (Ron Hills) with waterproof over trousers however I see now there is lots of kit such as semi-waterproof softshell insulated waling trousers etc.
We won't be walking vast distances (probably around 4-7 miles once or twice a month in the Yorkshire Dales, Moors etc) so don't want to go overboard, but can anyone advise if I should get softshell (could these get too hot) or should we be looking at more conventional walking trousers and/or waterproof over trousers? And where is best to get reasonably priced stuff? Decathlon looks pretty good?
I still use RH trackster and waterproof over trousers. But Decathlon or Sports Pursuit seems to be the sensible choice for decently priced new kit
Decathlon is good for kitting out everyone without breaking the bank.
I think a soft-shell is much better for mixed type weather as full waterproofs get sweaty when you are active, regardless of how breathable they say they are. I'd usually rather be wet with rain than sweat.
Don't over think it unless you are going anywhere high up.
I'd opt for a thin pac a mac / raincoat for everyone incase of rain/extreme cold. Then simply layer up with what you've got to start with. I've been using Uniqlo heatech base layers for years, then a t-shirt or cotton shirt, then a think wool jumper if needed.
Footwear is probably where you should focus your efforts.
I mainly walk in windproof soft shells with a bit of insulation, it's the wind which makes you cold, so once you have a windproof layer on you only need the waterproof for when its really wet.
Lightest waterproof trainers / trail shoes you can find for the feet - traditional walking boots are just lumps of lead on your feet.
I just wear shorts all year round (synthetic MTB shorts work really well).
Lightweight waterproof as a back up for when you get caught out in heavy rain.
I repurpose cycling stuff. Even down to tights with baggy shorts over the top.
Flappy trousers are horrible in the wet and wind but I'm okay with wet tights. Might use waterproof over shorts.
The only real difference is I don't need the Chamois and the shoes are (a bit) different.
It's pretty personal. I've never got cold legs so just walk in summer weight trousers all the time. You can go and buy something specialist but it isn't essential. Sports wear will do. as a general rule - synthetic so it doesn't hold the water from sweat or rain. So running bottoms and a fleece on top. Try to avoid cotton - it isn't warm when wet. Its ok in summer I find - these days polypropylene t shirts are dirt cheap so not that har to find. You might already have stuff if you check labels - football/rugby tops are often good. Merino is nice for base layers but far more expensive.
Like cycling you can have loads of gear so you always have the perfect combination for the day. However,you can mix and match.
Soft shells can be great on cold mostly dry days. But you can also just put on a waterproof to keep the wind off.
Decathlon is a really good bet if there is one near you. Gooutdoors is a decent shop to visit because they hold lots of stock. If you want to go online then wiggle has walking stuff.
Boots and socks are important as cold wet feet or blisters makes the walk unpleasant.
Drybags for inside your backpack.
Get used to the art of layers and what mix and match works for you.
I have also started packing short gaiters in our bags,they are quick to put on and in bad weather stop most of the water coming off your waterproofs from soaking your boots.
Decathlon waterproof.
https://www.decathlon.co.uk/p/men-s-mountain-walking-waterproof-jacket-mh500/_/R-p-301681
Whatever walking trousers you find comfortable with Berghaus deluge overtrousers if it rains.
Boots or waterproof shoes dependent on the terrain.
I tend to wear a base layer under the jacket and wear/carry a fleece, hat and gloves in rucksack (in dry bag).
Don't need anything fancy, it's just a walk. Like biking, the trick is in layering for the right conditions. Head torch is handy too at this time of year.
being wet isn't an issue when you're walking, but being cold is and it's the windchill that will most often make you dangerously cold. for that reason, i tend to favour lightweight quick drying walking trousers that have a level of windproof-ness to them (synthetic, not cotton or natural fibres) or softshell trousers if its going to be cold and wet. i only carry / wear a pair of water proof over trousers if its really very bad conditions.
same applies to your upper body, but more important in keeping your core warm. decent cheap base layer to wick sweat away (still to find better that the original helly hansen lifa base layers which are often cheap on sportspursuit), mid layer for warmth (synthetic fleece type thing or insultaed if winter conditions) and wind resistant / proof layer over the top if (normally a thinner softshell for me or waterpoof if crappy conditions). always a good idea to carry a spare warm layer in a dry bag as well if you get caught out
as others have said, it's difficult to beat decathlon for cheaper but decent quality kit
Decathlon, buy what you need, then upgrade as you start to do more. FH is spot on, all about layering, and take more food than you think you'll need, if you get cold and low on fuel, no amount of kit will warm you up.
Gaiters are pretty much an essential in my local Galloway hills, due to the bog, dougals, heather etc.
Cycling kit is not ideal, as it's designed to work at a body temperature that you generally don't acheive walking, my HR is generally around 100-120 when in the mountains, way lower than climbing on the bike.
I bought loads of walking gear in the charity shops. The Keswick one always has Rohan stuff in, maybe display stuff from a local shop. Max cost c fiver each item. Good stuff too, wear it in Spain all the time so good in the heat, good when wet in UK.
Just build up in layers washes well too.
Last Keswick visit jan so things may have changed.
I should have asked this last week - I have just come back from Glen Ridding / Keswick 🙂
Have a look on Ebay, I've bought a few pairs of lighweight boots over the years which I just didn't get on with and sold nearly new for bugger all on there!
In fact I have a pair of Salomons I must get round to selling....
Some good advice here. I have really got into walking over the last four years and done a lot locally and on trips. I think the advice to get good boots/shoes is the best. Other good quality kit helps but nothing is as critical as the footwear and what is right for each person will vary (fit and terrain you will be covering).
I have done a lot of walking since my son was born in February carrying him and something I do quite a lot is look at the weather forecast carefully and be flexible. Try and spot the dry windows and make the most of them even when they occur early/late. Makes it more enjoyable for all involved and the kit becomes less critical.
There are all kinds of tricks to learn when you start 'walking' as opposed to just going for a walk, perhaps the most basic is to look at the weather and think about which walk to do.
Then you get into planning a walk at a particular time and having to deal with whatever weather occurs.
Andy Kirkpatrick is a good source of advice and anecdote regarding kit, but the main thing I took from him is the idea that there are no 'smart' jackets, only smart people. Essentially, learn to use your kit in a sensible way...
I watch people coming to near my house and get set up for walking; they climb out of nice warm cars and immediately put hats and hard shell jackets on, then walk off up hills and sweat themselves silly, then get cold.
Learn to set off cold and warm up, then adjust your clothing, save the full gear for the top of the hill and the walk off rather than wear everything for the climb up.
Membrane jackets work, but only to an extent so don't wear it unless it's raining or windy enough to make you uncomfy.
https://www.andy-kirkpatrick.com/articles/view/the_truth_about_breathable_waterproofs
https://www.andy-kirkpatrick.com/articles/view/cut_the_crap1
Lightweight waterproof shoes or boots are good for wet conditions, but only as long as water doesn't get in the top. Trail running shoes are good as long as wet feet are not going to be a deal breaker.
The holy grail of footwear is a lightweight waterproof boot that acts like a trainer, but even that will fail when the flex in the boot cracks the gore-tex lining.
The holy grail of footwear is a lightweight waterproof boot that acts like a trainer, but even that will fail when the flex in the boot cracks the gore-tex lining.
Absolutely depends where you're walking, on the rocky ridges of Arran I never wear boots, goretex trail shoes are great, the paths are steps and gravel mainly.
20 miles in the other directions we have the Galloways, these demand proper leather boots and gaiters from the off, pretty much all year!.
Tresspass and Decathlon are your friends. Stay away from the very cheap plastic stuff and buy mid-range. Also avoid cotton except in the summer.
Walking shoes/boots with some sort of waterproofing are a good idea. My kids wear their walking boots when cycling too.
Merino wool baselayers, they last for years and I would be without one.
Woolly socks, never scrimp on socks.
One thing I learnt about walking shoes/boots is that some makes just don't fit me no matter what size I try on, so don't necessarily buy the boots you like the look of untill you try them on (or order a few pairs on-line and send the ones you don't want back).
Learn to set off cold and warm up, then adjust your clothing, save the full gear for the top of the hill and the walk off rather than wear everything for the climb up.
Or take a backpack and take the outer layer off when you start to get hot?
The "trick" with Decathlon is knowing they have 3 ranges: the cheap crap (fine for going to the gym/walking around town, but you'll soon hit its limits), the middle range (here's the VFM), then the top range (decent, but heading into specialist brand prices). Get the stuff from the middle range.
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holy grail of footwear is a lightweight waterproof boot that acts like a trainer,
I've found these to be excellent. Lightweight thin canvas, vibram sole, and 100% waterproof. Apparently Outdry is better for shoes than goretex/eVent etc as it's hardier, and more able to cope with the flexing of feet.
For wading in slutch I use the army issue Haix boots (Cold Weather, High Liability, Combat, Squaddies, for the use of), otherwise any approach style shoe if the weather and terrain is dry. For winter snow, high up silliness I've just got these; https://www.v12outdoor.com/scarpa-ribelle-lite-hd-iron-ocean.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIi4CEidDk7AIVRLDtCh13QAFBEAkYAiABEgLfyPD_BwE#137=569
mogrim has it - Decathlon middle range.
Add in a pair of waterproof approach shoes and you're good to go for most of the walking you describe.
Imo, take a bag, change layers as you need to, don't forget a buff/hat and gloves.
And go get inspired.
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic-the-hillwalking-thread
As above - Haix boots, they were cheap when the military ditched a load but prices have gone up. Awesome boots.
Clothing wise I've narrowed my gear down with daily dog walking and some big weekend big mountain hikes.
I use a polycotton Sarma smock jacket and take a Snugpack poncho in case it rains or a pile and pertex Montane jacket.
Fjallraven trousers in heavy style waxed for winter or lighter trekking pants for summer.
I am a big fan of water repellant softshells - but you still need a waterproof suit
It's just a walk, you're not climbing Everest. That said, depending on how old the kids are, make sure they're comfy and you have a stash of sweets for perking them up or it will be miserable. Remember gloves and hats. And a bothy bag for escaping the wind to have lunch (or in case things go tits up) is fun.
Take something to sit on for lunch if its wet, old bit of cut up 80s sleeping mat etc..
It’s just a walk, you’re not climbing Everest
Whilst I get your sentiment, it's incredibly easy to get yourself into bother, especially with kids in your charge, and that's a horrible place to be if you're not prepared.
Read Cairngorm John, phenomenal book, littered with heartbreaking stories of folk setting out for a nice walk with kids and never coming back. I know the Dales and Moors of Yorkshire ain't the cairngorms, but weather can still be incredibly fickle in the hills.
I know the Dales and Moors of Yorkshire ain’t the cairngorms, but weather can still be incredibly fickle in the hills.
Yep, hence why i said to prepare the kids well and to take a bothy bag in case...
But most of all, know where you are, prepare sensibly, have an idea of what you'd do if someone twisted their ankle, and get out there!
It’s just a walk, you’re not climbing Everest.
Well yes I get that, but none of us have any suitable gear for walking in (me aside, I still have my Ron Hills and some other running / boarding /cycling gear I can use such as base layers etc) but we don't want to be that stupid family that gets caught out on a hill wearing unsuitable clothes for the sake of spending a little bit on getting some mid-priced kit from somewhere like Decathlon - I am not talking about spending thousands on each of us, we just need to get some comfortable kit. And I need a new pair of boots as the 18 yr old Karrimor boots I have have sprung a leak.
Plus fours and a cloak 😉
@johndoh I wasn't being dismissive, just that [in a past life I led research on participation or lack of] lack of kit is often given as a barrier by people not getting out into the countryside, when boots aside they usually had more than adequate stuff already. A bit of knowledge (navigation and escape routes/plans) is far more important than what trousers.
lack of kit is often given as a barrier by people not getting out into the countryside
We do already get out, but we just wanted to get further afield and be prepared enough not to be put off by bad weather 🙂
Definitely have look in the wardrobes to see what kit can be repurposed for walking.
Kids tend to have plenty of tracksuit bottoms, footie shirts and hoodies, which are are fine for walking as long as they aren't made of cotton.
Mountain Warehouse and Regatta are good for cheap kit too.
Lots of boots seem to be almost high top trainers with a walking boot sole, my new boots are about half the weight of the ones they replaced which I like.
Take a trip to TK Maxx.
Good outdoor shoes and socks
Some layers
Something a bit Windproof
Lightweight waterproof to stick in the rucksack
As others have said, its not a trip to everest base camp.
Forget tk maxx, go to decathlon, Both cheaper and better kit.
My fave walking socks are the Alpkit dual layer running socks.
https://alpkit.com/collections/ak-socks/products/akcelerate
Thanks for the link @scotroutes, that was an interesting and thought-provoking read. Makes me think I should probably take a bit more out with me when running, particularly as we head into winter.
I try to take enough kit that I would hopefully survive a night outside. I does not mean a huge amount and of course dependent on time of year / conditions but a duvet jacket that is extra to what you are wearing, a full set of not too lightweight waterproofs, hat of some sort, bivvy bag all in a rucksac.
@mogrim - I'm as guilty as anyone of being a bit underprepared when running in the winter. I do mostly stick to lower paths and tracks, though I don't always stick to my planned route - but that's another argument 😉
Decathlon kit is good. Your cycling base layers are also good, as is the camelbak.
The Mrs booked us on a beginners walking weekend in Feb (North Wales - sh1t weather - really sh1t weather) but the instructor didn't like 'bladders' as she'd had someone where the bladder burst = no water) - I didn't say much other than this bladder had done many hours on an MTB and is checked etc etc...
We did OK with the kit we had from Decathlon - most of it we had already like waterproof walking jackets. I re-used some over trousers from cycling at one point.
The weekend walking with others was great though. If you bike in crap weather you'll know what you need.
We traversed the walkway next to the river in Bedgellert. Quite a few of the group shat themselves near the river and the rocks. I was thinking... this is/isn't ridable..
It was a good introduction as MrsF was going to do a midnight Snowdon walk a few weeks later... didn't happen.. COVID..
Kids tend to have plenty of tracksuit bottoms, footie shirts and hoodies
Female kids tend not to - at least mine anyway. They do have an almost limitless supply of Primark leggings though.
Good read that Colin, the reality is that none of us who bike and run alone in the mountains ever take enough really, as we're constantly trying to stay light. I don't really have the same issues walking, obviously, when weight is less of an issue.
I keep meaning to buy one of those storm shelters, need to get it bought.
Lowlands?
A stick, my phone, SAK, and a whistle (there’s one on the rucksack buckle). Flask of tea. Sometimes peanut butter sarnie.
Pacamac, layers, cap or beanie, Buff, long shorts and running leggings beneath. Merino trekking socks. Lowa Renegade GTX boots suit my foot and are v comfortable, but the soles could be better in mud.
Don’t these days go mountain walking alone unless it’s summer and populated. Not as capable as I used to be.
Minimal first aid: Saline pod/s, butterfly strips, hydro colloidal blister plasters. O’Tom tick-twisters.