[Closed] Tell me about e-cigs, vaping 'n'shit

Get a decent one - spend £50+ plus, otherwise it wont hit the spot and she'll end up back on the cigs.

Tried the cheap ones and they suck.

Dont smoke kids.

If it's a rebellion thing maybe try telling her you think she looks so cool you are going to smoke as well, that will put her off 😉

What gingerbllr said! Don't get a cheap one. Get a proper one. Go in to one of the many e-cig places and try a few

Then set about trying loads of different flavours until you find one she likes.

I've not had a cig for 3 years now since starting vaping, and I feel a whole lot better. My wallet feels positively ecstatic about it! 😀

It frikkin' stinks, and IMHO you look like a bit of a knob blowing out a white cloud of fruity vapor.

Just like smoking people seem to think it's acceptable to do it around those who don't, and it isn't.

I will second the advise on vaping I started off with a cheap one that was no good, then went to a shop in town spent £75 and got everything needed to do it properly worked fine for a while...

Then I bought some cheap liquid online that tastes crap and bought some fags... Need to go back to the shop in town

If she valued your opinion she wouldn’t be smoking, what makes you think a non smoking father can rationalise with an irrational teenage girl?

is she addicted yet? Switching to ecigs is potentially a pathway to more significant nicotine addiction, as it is cheap and very easy to keep upping the nicotine concentration.

have you considered whether nicotine is really her aim or smoking is just an enabler for weed?

If she valued your opinion she wouldn’t be smoking

have you ever actually met a teenager? I’m presuming from that statement that you progressed from childhood directly to middle age? 😀

<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12.8px; background-color: #eeeeee;">have you considered whether nicotine is really her aim or smoking is just an enabler for weed?</span>

Seriously? Yeah fags are a gateway drug 🤔

Ever since someone on here described them as douche flutes, they look even more laughably ridiculous than ever.

It frikkin’ stinks, and IMHO you look like a bit of a knob blowing out a white cloud of fruity vapor.

Thanks for your invaluable contribution to the subject in hand. Makes you think.....

Switching to ecigs is potentially a pathway to more significant nicotine addiction

like what? Snorting it? Injecting it directly into your eyeballs? Having a groupie blow it up your arse?

I’d talk her in to getting a pipe. Much more refined. Especially if combined with a cardigan that has leather elbow patches. Seriously though I don’t know what to suggest. Teenagers are tricky beggars, if you try and reason with her it might just make her smoke more. Then again you know her best. IS she likely to be open to your vaping suggestion?

I used one of the early ones that looked like a cig to stop smoking. All they’re good for imo and see no point spending loads on some daft looking kit. If you want to smoke, smoke. If not, stop. It’s cheaper than any pretend tabs and doesn’t look stupid.

I used an e cig to stop smoking around 7 years ago and i still use them now.

I once did a lung function test at my docs when i was in my 30's when i thought i was fit,but i smoked and had done since my early teens - the results were poor.

I did another test last year in my late 50's and the Doctor said  the results were fantastic and i had the lung power of a 30 year old non smoker.

He did also point out that having good lung function doesn't necessarily mean you're not going to get something horrible!

As an aside,i like to try and be discreet whilst using my e-cig, i can't be doing with those people who have an uber stealth model e-cig powered by a car battery and who seem to delight in pluming massive clouds everywhere - even indoors!

<p style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em; color: #444444;">If she valued your opinion she wouldn’t be smoking</p>
<p style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em; color: #444444;">have you ever actually met a teenager?</p>

Lots - and as a general rule if they start doing something they know their parents wouldn't be happy about they really aren't interested in their parents views on it.  Are you suggesting that lots of 18yr olds start smoking because although they really valued their dad's health advice some miraculous  influence forced them to put it to one side?

<span style="color: #444444; background-color: #eeeeee;">Seriously? Yeah fags are a gateway drug</span>

No, if you want to smoke weed and not look like a noob in front of your mates you need to be used to inhaling smoke.  Smoking is so "uncool" (and expensive!) with teenagers round here that its more likely than not that those who do, are recreational cannabis users too.  18 is quite late for someone to start purely for the fags.

<p style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em;">Switching to ecigs is potentially a pathway to more significant nicotine addiction</p>

<p style="margin: 10px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.2em; color: #444444;">like what? Snorting it? Injecting it directly into your eyeballs? Having a groupie blow it up your arse?</p>

No.  A classic cigarette has c. 18mg of nicotine, which when smoked by a "typical" user their body absorbs 1mg of.  Someone with a 20 a day habit is getting 20mg of nicotine per day and costing themselves about £9 a pack in the process.

E-cig "juice" is readily available in 3-18 mg/mL concentrations and you don't need to hunt too far to find it at over double that, or DIY options where the user decides.  Finance will no longer limit the intake, opportunity will (for the same cost you could get 10x the nicotine even with big brand vape juice).  Given then they are more "socially acceptable", there may be more opportunity to partake.  Given there isn't a quantised session length (i.e. the time it takes to burn one fag) that can creep up too.  A quick survey of vapers will probably reveal that many gradually have increased their dose over time (obviously those aiming to quit will aim to reduce their dose).

Now even if you went from a 20 a day fag habit to the equivalent nicotine dose of 40 or 50 a day by vaping its still better for you BUT nicotine itself isn't that good for you AND if you want to quit in the future going from 50mg of nicotine a day to zero is going to be way harder than 20.

If his daughter does value her father's opinion and actually wants to quit nicotine - going to ecigs unless its done in a planned way is potentially going to be counter productive.

Fascinating though that all is, I’d imagine that if you asked every single person in the country who uses an e-cig whether they’re reduced or increased the strength of their liquid, those opting for the latter would represent about 0.000000001%

those searching out Russian gangsters to pander to the supply of mega-strength super-nicotine, even fewer

Poly sounds like someone who has no experience smoking

A. Cigarettes

B. E cigarettes/Vapes

C. Cannabis

Conjecture and your feelings is not the same as facts and actual research.

ooops !

God, NO, I don't believe that she values my opinion

Yes, I do wonder how much nicotine the mega-devices might generate, and I see folk dragging on them multiple times.  Regardless, as above, still VERY likely safer than a lower dose of nicotine plus tar/cyclic hydrobollocks (and I'd rather she stank of elderberries than ****ING bonfires !)

cannabis.  Maybe but no evidence that she is (and she claims to be quite "anti" generally - a mate of a mate of hers was hospitalised after using some old shite in a local park and that scared her group of friends quite badly

Ultimately, if her plans work out she prob only has another few months at home before going off to uni so I'm even less likely to effect a major change in her behaviour.  Thinking I'll just float the idea and leave her to stew it over.  I'd buy her one if she'd agree to stop smoking (easy enough to tell so I reckon she'd have to be honest about it)

And yet if you ask youngsters, which I have done, most started on vapes because it was cool with lowest dose. Now on much higher doses. Small sample size but showed a worrying trend.

Going to be working on my lad this year to give up.

At the moment just commenting upon the fact that a lot of women won't even date a smoker (using his 20 year hormones against the habit) hopefully.

He seems mean to try patches so will see how that goes. Mortified when I found out he had started smoking.

Don't push too hard though.  They rebel

Hopefully my two won't take it up having hated going to the in-laws< when it stunk of smoke and seeing my FIL die of lung cancer.

<span style="color: #444444; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: #eeeeee;">‘A quick survey of vapers will probably reveal that many gradually have increased their dose over time (obviously those aiming to quit will aim to reduce their dose).’</span>

sorry but that’s bolleaux as our French cousins might say. 😀

every single person I know who vapes/vaped started high and has decreased the nicotine levels. Most of the decent flavours and mixes only really work in the lowest concentrations anyway.

The sneery attitude towards vaping stems mainly from snobbery, and ridiculously narrow minded holier than thou mindset. Vaping is clearly a better option than smoking and has helped numerous people to quit fags and improve their health. It’ll be available on prescription in the next couple of years without question.

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I know this is anecdotal,

but, of the half a dozen people i know (all from work) who have stopped smoking and switched over to vaping, i can quite easily see the difference in their skin after a couple of months, it’s visibly better.

re comments about the smell, id much rather smell someone vaping than cigarettes, they absolutely stink.

i drive a coach for a living, if someone smokes on my coach i will know instantly, but i have had instances of passengers telling me that someone else was vaping and I haven’t smelled anything.

not sure how much this will help x.

Right, so I started vaping about 4 and a bit years ago. At the time I had one of those pen like ones, eGo-CC Atomiser yoke. It was great. Ran off the stuff you find in the high street shops and all. Those tend to have a VG/PG blend of 50/50. In a 50/50 blend you can easily get up as high as 18mg of nicotine. I've seen 24, but certainly here in Ireland they've made anything over 18 illegal. Now, the "flying scotsman" type machines tend to run on a 70/30 or 80/20 VG/PG mix. Those are usually limited to 6mg of nicotine. The reason is the coils burn higher, giving you more juice etc etc.

So, issues not yet addressed are - running cost. She'll have to remember to change the coil blah blah, etc. etc. A coil can last anywhere from 3 days to 2 weeks. Depends on usage. The issue I had when I made the switch initially was knowing when to stop. A fag has a finite length. You can puff on an e cig all day until the battery dies. However, anecdotal evidence similar to Rivington, I used to wheeze my way up climbs and need to rest for a smoke on anything draggy. Nowadays, well, I still have to walk up, but I'm not having a sit down on the way. That's very sad news about your daughter though, hopefully she'll take to the e-cigs. They're not 'good for you' but they aren't as bad.

Let her know you've found a pumpkin spiced laté flavour?

The sneery attitude towards vaping stems mainly from snobbery, and ridiculously narrow minded holier than thou mindset.

What a load of nonsense.

Has anyone here successfully quit after starting vaping or do you just feel you have most of the benefits of being a non smoker without the withdrawal symptoms so don't bother?

Also OP how is your daughter funding her habit, last time I checked it wasn't cheap.

Finally a friend of my younger brother who quit said the only thing that worked for her was her irish mammy telling her smoking gives you a mouth like a cats @rse. Seemingly vanity is the only thing that motivates young people.

The sneery attitude towards vaping stems mainly from snobbery, and ridiculously narrow minded holier than thou mindset.

On here? Surely not?!!!

I want you all to stop smoking because I don't like it

Ok... we've all stopped smoking, and are vaping instead

Well now I want you to all stop that too, because I don't like that either

Oh  **** off!!!

<span style="color: #444444; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; background-color: #eeeeee;">Has anyone here successfully quit after starting vaping or do you just feel you have most of the benefits of being a non smoker without the withdrawal symptoms so don’t bother?</span>

Yep, I did. Used the pretend smokes to break the habit (one with the first coffee, one on the way to work, one at tea break, etc) while keeping the cravings under control. Once that was sorted it was easy to pack in the e-cigs and I have not wobbled since in 4 years. Had smoked for nearly 20 years before that.

Also OP how is your daughter funding her habit, last time I checked it wasn’t cheap.

2-3 nights a week waitressing in the local pub.  She's got more disposable cash than me