[Closed] Ted Heath

Interestingly, a google search for "Kris Kristofferson Lizard" throws up almost no results at all. The main one being where some guy wanders onto the David Icke Forum and asks "why do we think Kristofferson is a lizard".

One guy informs him that Kristofferson used mind control to force his penis into the mouth of a woman called Cathy O'Brien. Apparently satisfied, the OP notes that this is sickening, and that he did not know that.

[url= http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=103503 ]Thread here. [/url]

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Hodges asks a pertinent question

[i]This is real. This isn’t Brass Eye. I’m not an expert in police procedure. But if you make a national appeal for people to ring a special hotline with information about a former prime minister abusing children, what do you think’s going to happen?[/i]

Indeed, it's like lighting a torch to attract every every crank, loon, fantasist or nutter for miles around. Even if there [i]were[/i] any real victims, it would be impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Meanwhile, [url= http://www.esotericonline.net/profiles/blogs/the-real-reptilian-threat ]this dude knows Icke is wrong[/url], because he has actually met the lizard people, and they literally have no idea who Kris Kristofferson is.

Again, Poe's Law applies.

During the summer of 1990 our cult was getting the attention of some powerful satanic players, due to the fact that we were contacting some of the same beings they were in the business of worshipping. Of course, nothing that we did relative to these revered creatures ever resembled worship or servitude of any kind. This was the core dispute between our cult and the hard-line satanists. From their point of view, we were dangerous religious heretics. How dare we casually summon up demonic forces without the proper use of ritual protocols? We weren’t even offering blood sacrifices. We would just randomly pick a name from Anton La Vey’s Satanic Bible and conjure said being for our own plot level purposes, all under the strict rules of Total Equality.

Meanwhile, this dude knows Icke is wrong, because he has actually met the lizard people, and they literally have no idea who Kris Kristofferson is.

It was in a truck stop bathroom somewhere in Arizona that it happened. As I sat down on the toilet, the door to the stall suddenly became eclipsed in shadow. Too late, I realized that this stall had no door. With a frightening hiss, Raxor was on top of me.
My vision blurred as a disgusting smell inflamed my nostrils. I felt incredibly hot, as if I were inside an oven. At the same time I sensed the creature within my mind, trying to pick the lock on my personal unconscious secrets. Assimilation was happening. I tried to scream but a strange goop began to fill my mouth, choking me.
As I exited the bathroom, a hissing cry pierced the air:
“Shie Ublug Yog-Sothoth Shie Tsathoggua!”

We've all been there, folks. Normally I just warn my workmates to avoid trap 4 for a while.

Indeed, it's like lighting a torch to attract every every crank, loon, fantasist or nutter for miles around. Even if there were any real victims, it would be impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff.

Have you got any proof that the police don't know what they're doing and can't identify genuine victims?

Haven't previous successful prosecutions relied precisely on people coming forward after media publicity?

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"Sounding reasonable is a tricky concept when we live on a planet that is one of billions in a universe of unfathomable size and we don't even know conclusively where we came from."

Go on then...

Well obviously JHJ doesn't think that the Queen is a blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoid, from the Alpha Draconis star system, but he can't be 100% sure.

The Times carries a report today with comments from the prosecuting barrister in court case which is said to have been dropped because of the threats made to expose Ted Heath. The prosecuting barrister is now a judge and confirmed the case was dropped because the witnesses failed to turn up with the result.

“One was a male prostitute — over age — who was engaged in business and wouldn’t come to court. He was off seeing a client somewhere. There were two other women. One was in Holloway [prison] and was brought to the court. But she refused to come up from the cells. The other didn’t turn up.”
He said that Forde, who was successfully prosecuted within three years, had men working for her but “nobody suggested to me they were under age”

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article4518578.ece

“I know for a fact that the case was not dropped because of Edward Heath, it had nothing to do with him,”

certainly no conspiracy by police officers

Is anyone else seeing an eclectic collection of Amazon suggestions at the bottom of this thread? - as I write this it includes including the Kris Kristofferson Guitar Collection, Ted Heath & His Music and random Blade runner memorabilia.

Imagine reading a book by someone who at the heart of his theory lies the claim that the Queen is a blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoid, from the Alpha Draconis star system.

That's never been the heart of his theory. That's the stuff that he's come back with again time and time again from people he's talked to.

In fact he goes to great pains to stress he doesn't have a theory; he just goes where information takes him and that often persists in to territories most find ridiculous.

But in essence that's what you've got to do if you want to get answers.

In fact he goes to great pains to stress he doesn't have a theory; he just goes where information takes him and that often persists in to territories most find ridiculous.

You see this is where the problem lies. Each "fact" or "claim" does not stand on its own.
These "facts" or "claims" often contradict or do not directly support each other but it is seen as a general body of evidence. The bloke Icke is an epic moron, some people, including you rone and JHJ, need to learn some critical thinking skills.

blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoid, from the Alpha Draconis star system

In fact he goes to great pains to stress he doesn't have a theory

Sounds like a theory to me when you claim that the Moon is a hollowed out planetary space station from which our minds are controlled.

Even if he does claim that it is fact rather than theory.

Watch from 3.20 mins :

It was in a truck stop bathroom somewhere in Arizona that it happened. As I sat down on the toilet, the door to the stall suddenly became eclipsed in shadow. Too late, I realized that this stall had no door. With a frightening hiss, Raxor was on top of me.
My vision blurred as a disgusting smell inflamed my nostrils. I felt incredibly hot, as if I were inside an oven. At the same time I sensed the creature within my mind, trying to pick the lock on my personal unconscious secrets. Assimilation was happening. I tried to scream but a strange goop began to fill my mouth, choking me.
As I exited the bathroom, a hissing cry pierced the air:
“Shie Ublug Yog-Sothoth Shie Tsathoggua!”

H P Lovecraft fans are well weird.

“Shie Ublug Yog-Sothoth Shie Tsathoggua!”

Fubby Bummieth!

Cripes, his went South quickly then just carried on going 😆

As is, he could sail a bit could that Ted.

Is anyone else seeing an eclectic collection of Amazon suggestions at the bottom of this thread?

Yes, I can buy a Kris Kristoffeerson Mouse Mat (£6.99) or a 1966 Conservative Election Poster!

You see this is where the problem lies. Each "fact" or "claim" does not stand on its own.
These "facts" or "claims" often contradict or do not directly support each other but it is seen as a general body of evidence. The bloke Icke is an epic moron, some people, including you rone and JHJ, need to learn some critical thinking skills.

I'm glad you can arrive at such a certain conclusion about everything from the odd post.

Perhaps you need to get some social skills?

For the record there is plenty of science that supersedes, re-invents or contradicts itself. Your point adds nothing to a debate other than to silence it.

Sounds like a theory to me when you claim that the Moon is a hollowed out planetary space station from which our minds are controlled.

Even if he does claim that it is fact rather than theory.

But you're showing me a clip with a voice-over, not written by him. (We were specifically talking about a Queen shape shifting etc.)

I've not read from the moon books onwards; but I've read a few others and he doesn't lay claim to have seen or witnessed lots of things but has spoke to other people who have seen weird stuff. That's not the same has having a theory.

He does however take information and put bits and pieces together, sometimes it's a bit jarring and messy but sometimes he throws lots of fascinating stuff up about the universe and reality.

His stuff about reality being holographic etc can be checked out in Michael Talbot's Holograpic Universe. Again not particularly Icke's theories.

Life would be much duller if all we had to rely on was Breakfast television for our expansion on the world.

But you're showing me a clip with a voice-over, not written by him.

In which David Icke says (at ~7:40):

"I'm saying it [the moon] is broadcasting something. Umm. That acts as a blocking frequency. That makes/stops us seeing and perceiving things that we would normally perceive. That is creating what I call "The Moon Matrix" or "The Saturn Moon Matrix" and it is basically having the effect of the fake reality of The Matrix movies."

If you are particularly after bits about the Queen then watch the second part of the video where David (not the voiceover) explains that the Royal family are lizards because they have a lot of ceremonies and lizard brains like rituals:

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But your showing me a clip with a voice-over, not written by him.

The video is a fake? Wow, I hadn't realised. Well that explains it - it's not true that Icke believes that the Moon is a hollowed out planetary space station from which our minds are controlled, that's just a lie.

I guess it's all part of the great conspricy. It's a wonder that he hasn't been murdered in an "accident" yet.

BTW the great conspricy is so effective that they have hacked into David Icke's own website and posted fake videos.

Here David Icke claims within 45 seconds that the Moon "is not real", but presumably that's just a fake voice over.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/48549-david-icke-who-built-the-moon/

It's probably worth watching 'til the end as he explains how the "Moon matrix" controls our minds, but quite frankly I can't be arsed. Besides, the video is obviously a fake created by lizards living in the Moon, or something.

It's kind of surprising to me that the satanist paedo shape-shifting mind-controlling reptilian overlords who control absolutely everything allow this man to live, have a website (with 4 million views a month), talk to huge audiences, and sell 20 million copies of his books worldwide.

But I guess they know what they are doing.

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The biggest conspiracy here is the fact that Icke has never been sectioned.

But I guess they know what they are doing.

That's what [i]they[/i] want you to think.

It's kind of surprising to me that the satanist paedo shape-shifting mind-controlling reptilian overlords who control absolutely everything allow this man to live......

The lizards can murder a Princess or destroy a building containing several thousand people, but they can't touch David Icke.

Obviously their powers are limited but to be fair David Icke is Son of God, so he claims :

Which I guess must make him quite powerful.

sometimes it's a bit jarring and messy but sometimes he throws lots of fascinating stuff up about the universe and reality.

His stuff about reality being holographic etc can be checked out in Michael Talbot's Holograpic Universe. Again not particularly Icke's theories.

I wondered how long it would be before Lovecraftian references popped up; two and a bit pages, not bad, not bad at all!
[i]Iä! Iä! Shub-Niggurath! The Black Goat with a Thousand Young![/i]
Personally, I don't believe in these ridiculous theories that people in places of power are really lizards; actually, they're the gof'nn hupadgh Shub-Niggurath, favoured ones of the goddess, who are presented as initiates which she then devoures and regurgitates as a satyr-like creature. Much more easily disguised as a human than a bloody lizard.
Fairly easily spotted on the beach, though; just look for excessively hairy blokes.

Fairly easily spotted on the beach, though; just look for excessively hairy blokes.

Ummm. So just out of interest, would a person know if they were actually one of these "golfin hippo Shrub-Nigga" things?

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His stuff about reality being holographic etc can be checked out in Michael Talbot's Holograpic Universe. Again not particularly Icke's theories.

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Talbot_(author) ]Michael Talbot[/url] is by no stretch of the imagination the best source of an understanding of the extremely advanced theoretical physics that supports the idea that the universe could be holographic. Apart from anything else, he's a mystic not a physicist. He doesn't seem to be as absurd as Icke. Icke has just picked up his ideas, because, if you don't understand them, they're one more way of deflecting criticism of the nonsense by assuring the sceptical reader that nothing they perceive is "real".

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[url= http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/moment-whip-in-sir-edward-heaths-government-revealed-that-his-job-was-to-cover-up-scandals-involving-small-boys-and-the-pm-kept-details-in-a-dirt-book/ ]

Tim Fortescue, an assistant whip while Sir Edward was prime minister, was part of the so-called ‘Westminster Secret Service’ who would hide dirty secrets for MPs and blackmail them for loyalty.

so backing it up with a link to David Icke that then links to the Daily Mail?

I think the most chilling revelation is that Ted Heath was one of the "black eyed people" from another dimension.

David Icke explains it all here :

a link to David Icke that then links to the Daily Mail?

Which presents a 9 second video which could serve as a dictionary definition of "my remarks were taken out of context".

I think the most chilling revelation is that Ted Heath was one of the "black eyed people" from another dimension.

I love that video!

So Icke says to Heath "alright mate!", and Heath doesn't say anything, but stares at him. Because he's possessed by something from another dimension "like so many of these fellows". The End. It's just amazingly insane.

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So Icke says to Heath "alright mate!", and Heath doesn't say anything, but stares at him. Because he's possessed by something from another dimension "like so many of these fellows".

It's a bit like me talking with my dad. I'd always believed his silent stare was due to his lack of hearing but now i'm not so sure. Is being a lizardy space thing hereditary? Could explain why my feet get cold, sometimes.

Icke is incredible - on the surface he's so lucid and plausible but what he's saying is utterly hatstand

There's a guy who works in our local chip shop who swears he's Elvis.

Yeah, but he’s a liar.

And I’m not sure about you!

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Just on a technical note: this (pseudo-)meme is a classic example of Icke twisting and confusing things. When you put something in quotation marks as the caption here is, it's supposed to mean that you are quoting someone directly. Icke (or his webmaster) isn't.

What Fortescue is actually reported as saying is:

Fortescue said problems involving members [of Parliament] “might be debt, or it might be a scandal involving small boys”.

“They would come and ask if we could help,” Fortescue said. “And if we could we did, and we would do everything we could, because we could store up brownie points.

“That’s one of the reasons we would get a chap out of trouble – because he’d then be ours forever-more.”

Making up a quote so that it's snappier is really unhelpful.

Meanwhile, Fortescue certainly seems to have said those words - it's a BBC doc dug up by reputable news sources.

I suppose it is [i]conceivable[/i] that (in the lingo of Sir Bufton Cholmendly and other ancient Tory ex-MPs) Fortescue could have been referring to (male) MPs shagging (male) prostitutes or casual gay partners, but the plain interpretation seems credible enough. We know that "everyone knew something funny was up" with many other serial abusers.

I suppose it is conceivable that (in the lingo of Sir Bufton Cholmendly and other ancient Tory ex-MPs) Fortescue could have been referring to (male) MPs shagging (male) prostitutes or casual gay partners, but the plain interpretation seems credible enough

koanbunny, we've discussed that on here before, and I think personally that you have to consider it in the context of the homosexual age of consent being gradually lowered over time.

'Scandal involving small boys' could very easily have been meant as a reference to boys under the age of 21, given that until 1994 that was the age of consent.

Now, I'm not saying that IS what was meant, but I am saying that it is a realistic alternative interpretation that, when put in context, makes the whole issue a lot less of an 'open and shut case' than the way the comment is being portrayed nowadays. I am sure that other phrases could be substituted, such as 'schoolboys' that, if uttered disapprovingly then could refer to something which could nowadays be perfectly legal.

but I am saying that it is a realistic alternative interpretation

No it isn't a realistic interpretation. "Small boy" doesn't suggest a 19 or 20 year old at all, it suggests a young boy.

If you are particularly after bits about the Queen then watch the second part of the video where David (not the voiceover) explains that the Royal family are lizards because they have a lot of ceremonies and lizard brains like rituals:

I may have not watched it thoroughly enough but nowhere does he say the Royal Family are Lizards. He mentions the reptilian brain and ritual, and the royal family with pomp and ceremony.

"Small boy" doesn't suggest a 19 or 20 year old at all, it suggests a young boy.

This. There is no ambiguity. I'm amazed that ninfan is trying to make excuses for what is unquestionably despicable behavior. I can't help wondering what his viewpoint would be if the people in question were of an alternative political persuasion.

Ernie - we started here:

Imagine reading a book by someone who at the heart of his theory lies the claim that the Queen is a blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoid, from the Alpha Draconis star system.

And ended up here ...

The video is a fake? Wow, I hadn't realised. Well that explains it - it's not true that Icke believes that the Moon is a hollowed out planetary space station from which our minds are controlled, that's just a lie.

I guess it's all part of the great conspricy. It's a wonder that he hasn't been murdered in an "accident" yet.

BTW the great conspricy is so effective that they have hacked into David Icke's own website and posted fake videos.

Here David Icke claims within 45 seconds that the Moon "is not real", but presumably that's just a fake voice over.

I'm just taking issue with the fact that you misquoted the film. Using the intro voice-over as the heart of Icke's theory. That's not the same as the man himself actually saying it.

Nobody said anything about fake voice-overs or fake films.

Icke hasn't done himself any favours in this regard, but what he believes and what others say about what he believes is not always the same.