[Closed] Ted Heath

I very much doubt that.

"They all laughed at Christopher Columbus, when he said the World was round..."

are you jivehoney in disguise? I promise I wont tell anyone 😆

"They all laughed at Christopher Columbus, when he said the World was round..."

It was already known it was round around 5 or 6 BC.

This book here, well worth a read

I very much doubt that.

I assume you are doubting two things;
1 - That it is well worth a read.
2 - That it is "the book that will change the world".

I agree on both counts.

OP, rumours of Heath have been doing the rounds forever. Icke isn't some sage prophet of our times. He's a blithering idiot.

At the heart of his theories lies the idea that a secret group of reptilian humanoids called the Babylonian Brotherhood (including George W. Bush, Queen Elizabeth II, Kris Kristofferson and Boxcar Willie) controls humanity, and that many prominent figures are reptilian.[2] He further proposes that the Moon is an artificial construct — "probably a hollowed-out planetoid" — from which the reptilians broadcast an "artificial sense of self and the world" that humans mistakenly perceive as reality

(I love the idea that Kris Kristofferson is a lizard, by the way! Brilliant!)

Cougar - Moderator
I very much doubt that.

MrNice - Member
are you jivehoney in disguise? I promise I wont tell anyone

Do you have equal outrage at all paedophiles? Or just those who are part of the reptilian oligarchy?

I, personally, make no distinction. I don't believe there are lizards ruling over us, however.

CaptainFlashheart - Member
This book here, well worth a read
I very much doubt that.
I assume you are doubting two things;
1 - That it is well worth a read.
2 - That it is "the book that will change the world".

I agree on both counts.

No, we're just similar in our outrage at paedophiles in high ranking positions and the lack of prosecutions.

The best way to bring about the prosecutions you wish for is to ally yourself with conspiracy theorists like Ike. After all, they must require a much lower standard of evidence than institutions like the British judicial system.

Op if you have evidence take it to the police. I am not defending Ted Heath and I believe that all such serious allegationsmust be investigated. Until any investigation is concluded all we have is allegations. So go to the police but keep quiet about the lizards

Hang on Kristofferson is a song writing hero of mine. Whats he done?

Imagine not reading a book but slagging it off based on other people's opinions

Imagine reading a book by someone who at the heart of his theory lies the claim that the Queen is a blood-drinking, shape-shifting reptilian humanoid, from the Alpha Draconis star system.

Imagine not reading a book but slagging it off based on other people's opinions - and just the negative ones at that.

The thing is,

Ted Heath may or may not have been a nonce. I don't know, and it's potentially a topic for an interesting discussion.

However, in terms of reliable, credible sources of information, I'd trust JHJ over David Icke. He's a stone bonker.

When Earnest and I agree, etc....

I assume you are doubting two things;
1 - That it is well worth a read.
2 - That it is "the book that will change the world".

Primarily the first, for reasons as I've just mentioned in my previous post. I missed the strapline (that's how much I thought it was worth reading).

He may well be right. But if he is, it'll be blind luck. Now, if you've got a similar publication written by someone who isn't a card-carrying crackpot, I'll entertain the idea.

Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day

Imagine not reading a book but slagging it off based on other people's opinions - and just the negative ones at that.

Assuming you're not trolling...

Lot's of us have sufficiently well developed critical faculties to allow us to weed out utter garbage so that we don't have to read it. We'll consider the stuff with some credibility and dismiss the rest based on reviews, quotes and the opinions of commentators we trust.

Everyone does this and admittedly it leaves us open to confirmation bias but can you imagine a world where everyone had to read everything before commenting on it's validity?

The interweb is amazing.

Believe it or not, I've been reading biggest secret for the last few days...

It's pretty wild... seems a bit of a shame that he goes right in with the reptilian stuff as that immediately makes everything else seem like utter fantasy.

Aside from lizards and vast underground cities, there is certainly many truths in there, but some of his sources are at best on the shaky side

I'm still far from believing much of what is suggested, but would recommend giving it a read regardless as it does offer an interesting alternate perspective on history.

By Christmas 1991, Mr. Icke predicted, Cuba, Greece, the Isle of Arran, the cliffs of Kent, and Teeside would be hit by a great earthquake (8.0 on the Richter scale) that would submerge them.

What does he have to say about that in this book?

Lot's of us have sufficiently well developed critical faculties to allow us to weed out utter garbage so that we don't have to read it. We'll consider the stuff with some credibility and dismiss the rest based on reviews, quotes and the opinions of commentators we trust.

Bollocks, it is all about Twitter, I know because the BBC go on about it continuously.

What's going to happen [s]when[/s] if Icke gets Yewtreed (he looks pretty 70s/80s to me so the odds must be high)?

Does the world explode?

Well if everyone reads it it won't be the Biggest Secret for much longer, thereby putting a further dent in David Ike's already shaky credibility.

Believe it or not, I've been reading biggest secret for the last few days...

I can easily believe it.

So, who has authority over both the UK Home Office and Jersey?

Charlie Hungerford?

Cartman?

The Draconians presumably.

They are called Old Dragons, the Draconian is their magazine.

Hang on - are you saying that our Reptilian Overlords have their own magazine? Is it not a bit of a give-away when they pop into WH Smiths to buy it?

I assume there's a free gift (dead mouse?) with every issue?

They are called Old Dragons, the Draconian is their magazine.

What are you .....some sort of expert about humanoids from the Alpha Draconis star system ?

Is this a map?

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I can't say anything. I am deep undercover, but thank your lucky stars we are working for you to defeat them.

Hang on - are you saying that our Reptilian Overlords have their own magazine? Is it not a bit of a give-away when they pop into WH Smiths to buy it?

No better disguise than hiding in plain sight. Devious is not the word.

I assume there's a free gift (dead mouse?) with every issue?

Have you been watching V?

The Draconians

I've heard one of their number is a mod on here!

Makes you think doesn't it?

Where's Drac? I get the feeling he ought to know something.

EDIT : Graham is obviously onto the same thing.

Now we're talking that was like the only programme ever that i was allowed to stay up until 11 oclock for. Brill.

Does the Sublime Prince of the Royal Secret hang around on here?

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Entered Apprentice 😯

Maybe there is a link?

In keeping with the original thread I don't fancy being the 'entered apprentice'

Bah - damn you apeman!

The BBC have never hidden the secret of our Overlords.

I've heard one of their number is a mod on here!

Crikey! I've been rumbled.

I wouldn't want a 'Blue Lodge Master' doing 'Fellow Craft' on an 'Entered Apprentice'

Is this a map?

Should it not say 'here be dragons'?

They have infiltrated the BBC, they hide in plain sight, afterall who employed Icke? He cottoned on. We had to set up ITV, but that was not enough. So Channel 4 came into being. Don't talk to me about Sky.

So has Billy come forward yet?

Weird times the 70s - at least three (alleged) kiddie fiddlers at my school. All very obvious (apparently)...one even looked like a former PM (so they said)

A letter from Richie Allen of http://richieallenshow.com to the Daily Mirror from 4/8/15

Good morning,
My name is Richie Allen and I present a nightly radio show which is carried by Talk Radio Europe, Fab Radio International and streamed online at davidicke.com My verifiable audience is in excess of 30,000 listeners nightly and the daily podcast of my show is downloaded over 10,000 times a week.
I noticed you lead today, with a story about former British Prime Minister Ted Heath. I'm curious as to why, when your paper writes of Heath, Janner, Brittan and the allegations that they were serial child abusers, you don't mention that David Icke named many of these people while they were still walking among us. I know you are aware of this. In several best-selling books, including "The Biggest Secret", published in 1999, David was explicit in describing these people and what they were up to. He alleged that there was a massive network of VIP child abusers operating above the law and around the world. You know this to be true, so why not acknowledge it?
You claim to be a newspaper and that you operate in the public interest. If so, please tell your readers the truth, that someone labelled as a nutter, someone whose family were hounded unmercifully by the tabloid press because of what he was saying, was in fact right on the money on this issue. Your newspaper, if not you personally, played its part in demonising and ridiculing David Icke over the years. Time for a bit of balance maybe? Just a thought. I would appreciate a response as I will be reading my email to you, to my listeners tonight.
I look forward to reading your reply,
kind regards,
Richie Allen

[b]Theory: [/b]

- Ted Heath was a nonce
- He got away with it because the Queen is a lizard who uses mind-control
- The Moon is hollow, and is full of paedo-lizards.

[b]Evidence:[/b]

- a chap says he was buggered by Ted Heath as a child.

[b]Conclusion: [/b]

Theory proven.

That's why Icke isn't being hailed as a prophet, basically. 🙂

I won't trust any of it until I see a pic of the overlord Saville shaking Heaths hand

A blog post with actual pages about Ted Heath from the book if you can bring yourself to read it https://cathyfox.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/david-icke-on-ted-heath-in-the-biggest-secret/

he overlord Saville shaking Heaths hand

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Can't actually see Savile's hands, which is perhaps more disturbing. 😉

actual pages

For anyone without the strength to plough through that, it is (as you'd expect) a freeform stream of unreferenced gibberish and innuendo patched together into nothing much.

An unnamed person remembers that Heath used to use hooks to rape her.
Another unnamed person has "identified" Heath as a satanist. She saw a lizard. The lizard was near a country house used by the British PM. The house has the same name as a board game which is played on a board which has the same pattern as the floor of a freemasons hall.
Heath took Britain into the EU, which is fascist.
The Corporation of London's badge has reptiles on it, it owns some woods.
Heath turned into a lizard during a ritual in the woods. The unnamed woman actually saw this happen.
David Icke has not seen it happen, but he thought Heath had funny eyes.
When confronted about the allegation, Heath made sympathetic remarks about David Icke's mental health.

That entire "argument" is set out on a single page.

If the woman who remembers Heath raping her is telling the truth, it is incredibly unfortunate that her story is a couple of sentences buried in that gibberish.

(Obviously, as with all theories about whether consciousness is real, I can't prove that lizards are not controlling my mind to make me sceptical of claims which lack coherent, structured arguments with some sort of reference to verifiable facts)

🙂

all that proves is that Jimmy might have been stroking his tail.

If the woman who remembers Heath raping her is telling the truth, it is incredibly unfortunate that her story is a couple of sentences buried in that gibberish.

Everyone is free to think how they like, a thorough investigation should have been carried out and should be now.

On prediction and why we don't accept people were right if your hit rate is under 10% it's just coincidence. If you resort to the thats what they want you to think, well obviously they would make all the evidence dissapear arguments then it's gossip.

Evidence:

- a chap says he was buggered by Ted Heath as a child.

It appears to be better than that - a man says in 1961 as a twelve year old who had already been sexually abused by his father and worked as a rent boy, a man in a car who offered him a lift took him to London, let him stay the night at his posh, one bedroom London flat and had sex with him.

Four years later, he saw a photo of Heath in the newspaper and identified him as the unknown man.

As far as reliable identifications go, it's not screaming 'Book him Danno' to me...

This thread needs two Aliens quotes:

Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?

I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

David Icke... jeez.... seriously????????

A letter from Richie Allen of http://richieallenshow.com to the Daily Mirror from 4/8/15

A shining example of false authority syndrome, surely.

"Hi, I'm a DJ and therefore important. I read a book once, therefore you should print a story about the ramblings of a lunatic."

Often times I hate STW, people here can be so nasty and judgemental, but the general consensus on this thread has me applauding.

But what did Kris Kristofferson do?

Well we know for sure he survived that crash off the bridge, don't we. Quack quack. One could argue in terms of calssification that a "rubber duck" is actually a lizard.
In fact Convoy is a secret illumintae message.

"Not say I beat the devil, but I drank his beer for nothing, then I stole his song"

An unnamed person remembers that Heath used to use hooks to rape her.
Another unnamed person has "identified" Heath as a satanist. She saw a lizard. The lizard was near a country house used by the British PM. The house has the same name as a board game which is played on a board which has the same pattern as the floor of a freemasons hall.
Heath took Britain into the EU, which is fascist.
The Corporation of London's badge has reptiles on it, it owns some woods.
Heath turned into a lizard during a ritual in the woods. The unnamed woman actually saw this happen.
David Icke has not seen it happen, but he thought Heath had funny eyes.
When confronted about the allegation, Heath made sympathetic remarks about David Icke's mental health.

You forgot the bit about the Chancellor of the Exchequer also being present at the satanic ritual on Hampstead Heath where the PM transformed himself into a lizard.

This is a way of looking at the current approach of police forces. Dan Hodges is clearly an establishment stooge, though, so feel free to disregard it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11784844/The-Edward-Heath-witch-hunt-is-the-stuff-of-Hitlers-dreams.html

The trouble is, the testimony of genuinely abused people will be somewhere in the flood of messed-up people who accept these invitations to call specially-set-up phone lines with their reptilian delusions. And sadly, their genuine experiences will be lost in the white noise, as will the opportunity to pursue any abusers who are still alive.

I'm confused by this thread because I've not followed the many other similar ones.

Can someone tell me, do 6079smithw and jivehoneyjive really believe the whole David Icke thing or is it just some sort of elaborate troll?

I think that its about time we just admitted defeat and all swear allegiance to our lizard overlords

The trouble is, the testimony of genuinely abused people will be somewhere in the flood of messed-up people who accept these invitations to call specially-set-up phone lines with their reptilian delusions. And sadly, their genuine experiences will be lost in the white noise, as will the opportunity to pursue any abusers who are still alive

This, a thousand times this. Abuse occurs at all levels of society, it goes unreported and unprosecuted for a whole number of reasons, all of them tragic and wrong. The majority of abuse is carried out within family/friendship groups, not by powerful public figures in league with lizard overlords.

As several of us have said on previous related threads, we applaud what JHJ is trying to do as far as uncovering abuse goes, but the whole royalty/lizards/freemasons thing is a distraction and doesn't help.

I don't personally believe everything David Icke has to say...

though there is the teeny-tiny chance there is actually lizards involved, it discredits the many truths that he does allude to.

though there is the teeny-tiny chance there is actually lizards involved

Uh oh..

though there is the teeny-tiny chance there is actually lizards involved, it discredits the many truths that he does allude to.

Well, only in the sense that there's also a teeny-tiny chance that it's aliens, poltergeists, or the vengeful spirit of Cilla Black's hairpiece. And we don't tend to acknowledge even that miniscule chance if we want to sound reasonable.

though there is the teeny-tiny chance there is actually lizards involved

Oh, come on guys, give JHJ a chance. He makes a perfectly reasonable tongue in cheek comment in the context of the argument and we're still jumping in on him

Sounding reasonable is a tricky concept when we live on a planet that is one of billions in a universe of unfathomable size and we don't even know conclusively where we came from.

Oh, OK. Didn't sound entirely tongue in cheek to me, but happy to accept that.

EDIT: Obviously 'reasonable' is somewhat of a social construct, but I find the idea of humans abusing humans a little more plausible than giant space-travelling lizards abusing humans.

Kris Kristofferson is a lizard? Jim Morrison, Shirley.

the idea that Kris Kristofferson is a lizard

WTF did KK do to earn Icke's accusations?

Act in the wrong film?

Surely Cruise is a bit more obvious crazy?

He makes a perfectly reasonable tongue in cheek comment

I call Poe's Law.

Kris Kristofferson is a lizard? Jim Morrison, Shirley.

Kris Kristofferson is Jim Morrison? THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!

best thread in ages 😀

*grabs biscuits*

Sounding reasonable is a tricky concept when we live on a planet that is one of billions in a universe of unfathomable size and we don't even know conclusively where we came from.

Go on then... 😯 🙄 😕

KK got from Ike because Convoy was so bad.

Ike? Wasn't he in with the Bilderbergs?

yes I didnt see JHJ's comment as toungue in cheek at all. He likes to dissemble and wink, but still promotes all this crap.

He certainly sounds like he's been on the Bundabergs.