[Closed] teaching conspiracy..

What would be the point of striking if everything carried on the same?

Do you reckon your 7 yearold may just have missremembered?

Also there is some daft rule about people not being able to cover striking staff. I am not sure if the details though.

A strike. I feel I'm missing out. Which union I wonder? NASUWT have not balloted me for industrial action.

Me neither and if it was nut I might have noticed.

Don't even get me started.

Teachers get paid very well, have an amazing pension scheme and only work six months of the year and yet all we hear about is how hard done by they are and how they're going to strike for better conditions.

2/10 Please try harder.

Yeah the biggest perk of being a teacher is being able to bully the little people.

what a fantastic lesson all this striking teaches our younger generation.

tts jnr quoted mrs C as saying '' there going on strike for the kids so they dont have to go to school on saturdays and stay on week days till 5 like the govt wants them to''

With all the academies, privately funded schools and schools run by large companies, the governmnet will have had little say on the hours or days worked, these will be dictated by the needs of eduction plc.

Yes dont roll over. Stand for yourself very important lesson..

what a fantastic lesson all this striking teaches our younger generation.

You mean that by standing together with you colleagues and friends you can fight against a bullying and oppressive regimes for the betterment off all.

Teachers get paid very well, have an amazing pension scheme and only work six months of the year and yet all we hear about is how hard done by they are and how they're going to strike for better conditions.

excellent we are as ever finding it hard to find the staff we need at the moment. What subject are you offering

PS I'm not moaning about my job

Both the big unions, NASUWT and NUT have balloted their members regarding industrial action including strike action months ago. The posters above have poor memories! It is indeed true that non-striking staff are not obliged to cover for striking staff, quite the opposite in fact, the headteachers unions, although not striking themselves, fully back the unions' action. We are not striking for better conditions just to try to maintain some of what we currently have. My take home pay has fallen as bigger pension contributions have been forced upon us, but we end end up with less pension after having to work longer. There are still further contribution rises to come. Effectively it is an occupation specific income tax, we're paying more in to the government's coffers, not our own pension pots.

Sorry if we're not lying down, rolling over and letting Michael ****ing Gove tickle our tummy.

[i]tts jnr quoted mrs C as saying '' there going on strike for the kids so they dont have to go to school on saturdays and stay on week days till 5 like the govt wants them to''[/i]

Perhaps you could send him back having taught him the difference between 'they're' and 'there' during his enforced absence from school?

How Brits love to hate teachers.

Overworked, underpaid, insulted, derided, inspected, harassed, assaulted... .

Non existant use of upper case letters, poor puntuation, it doesn't rhyme and I lost interest toward the end.

I blame the teac....oh, hang on.

How Brits love to hate teachers.

Overworked, underpaid, insulted, derided, inspected, harassed, assaulted...

Just like most parts of the productive industries.

Effectively it is an occupation specific income tax, we're paying more in to the government's coffers, not our own pension pots.

that's it well done, you keep them occupied with that and the rest of us will carry on with our real plans.

FOR GODS SAKE NO ONE TELL THEM WHAT WE ARE REALLY PLANNING!!!!

My take home pay has fallen as bigger pension contributions have been forced upon us, but we end end up with less pension after having to work longer. There are still further contribution rises to come. Effectively it is an occupation specific income tax, we're paying more in to the government's coffers, not our own pension pots

other jobs are available, theres even a place to look for them called a Job Centre.

The strikes are in the north west. They're (at least) NUT, but I think it's a joint action with NASUWT. There will be nationwide action in the Autumn term.

Members of other unions will not cover for striking colleagues.

headfirst, the pension scheme sounds pretty bad, why not just opt out and source a better pension.

Is it mandatory for teachers to be part of the state provided pension scheme ?

bigger pension contributions have been forced upon us, but we end end up with less pension after having to work longer

If your paying more in does the monthly payout not increase when you finally get it?

Yes your working longer but so is everyone else who would like to receive a state pension. People are living longer, we cant go on with the same retirement age, otherwise people will probably end up on pension for 50% of their life!

@tinman yeah teaching staff have it easy, the constant scrutiny of Ofsted, the constant scrutiny of parents, the constant stream of planning, assessment, review, planning assessment review. The constant stream of piss from Michael Goves mouth trying to scape-goat the lot of us!

Dealing with the dramas of parents lives, referring their children to psychologists, to educational psychologists to occupational therapists for issues that could be resolved by good parenting, but is that the parents fault, **** no that's the teachers fault as well.

Get your head out of your arse, teaching is not a cake walk it is bluddy hard work and if you tried it you would be grateful for the holidays and the pension, I've sodding earned mine!

If you begrudge me my perks and holidays and if the job is so easy, I'll tell you what I tell everybody RETRAIN and become a teacher, then see it from the other side.

we cant go on with the same retirement age

Well that's what the richest and most powerful tell us, they would change their view if they lived a majority life and worked an average job.

There are plenty of other "jobs". Teaching is a profession, a vocation in life.

Lots of teachers could do other things, do them well and make a lot more cash. Many of the best teachers I have known have left the profession, they are generally richer and their students poorer. Some would have stayed and contributed greatly to the personal development and future employ-ability of young people had not the salary and conditions been so lousy.

Madame works less for more in better conditions than in the UK, German colleagues make even more money in still better conditions but do more hours than French teachers. We live very well on one teacher's salary, try doing that in the UK.

Lots of teachers could do other things, do them well and make a lot more cash

Lots of teachers should do other things, do them poorly and make a lot more cash, but then a lot think theyre somehow superior and ALWAYS HARD DONE BY.

If you begrudge me my perks and holidays and if the job is so easy, I'll tell you what I tell everybody RETRAIN and become a teacher, then see it from the other side.

Id love to but it sounds TERRIBLE (that and they would laugh my application out the door with my dog **** english)

If your paying more in does the monthly payout not increase when you finally get it?

No.

Non existant use of upper case letters, poor puntuation, it doesn't rhyme and I lost interest toward the end.

Fail

just do what the rest of STW does when they want to have their cake and eat it ....

buy a cheaper fake version of a teacher from deal extreme

A teaching assistant then ?

😉

The skills required for teaching are well overrated.

For example Michael Gove knows more about teaching than any teacher, despite not actually possessing any teaching qualifications.

Here he can be seen, having grabbed the undivided attention of the children, giving what is evidently a stimulating, exciting, and riveting lesson, about something which he clearly feels passionate about.

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Project, your responses on this thread are hypocritical given the [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/bullying-in-adult-work-life ]thread you started recently.[/url]

Today:

other jobs are available, theres even a place to look for them called a Job Centre.

A few days ago:

Can anyone ofer any advice on how to cope/allieviate it,its causing some people i know serious health isues,and basicly theyre told dont like it get another job.

I've been both self-employed and a teacher: Self-employed I called the tune, as a UK teacher I took the punches (and would have been suspended/arrested if I'd so much as taken my hands out of my pockets).

I am not reading all that, but I have this to say:

I don't think you can teach conspiracy as there is never any solid proof of an actual conspiracy. Kids are smarter than you think, so o none of them will believe it. Also (like modern languages) they will struggle to be convinced of its relavence in their working life.

never any solid proof of an actual conspiracy.

Plenty on YouTube

I have noticed ,piemonster, that as kids turn into adults a crucial number of them lose their ability to think critically..

Hmm

Hard to see where project stands now?

Project, your responses on this thread are hypocritical given the thread you started recently.

Today:

other jobs are available, theres even a place to look for them called a Job Centre.

A few days ago:

Can anyone offer any advice on how to cope/allieviate it,its causing some people i know serious health isues,and basicly theyre told dont like it get another job.

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There is no difference betwween bullying and being bullied out of a job, but there is a difference between realising the job you have is totally unsuitable to your way of thinking, and how you are able to handle situations, i point out the above from educkator, who apertains to sometime having being in a teaching environment

I've been both self-employed and a teacher: Self-employed I called the tune, as a UK teacher I took the punches (and would have been suspended/arrested if I'd so much as taken my hands out of my pockets

is that the sort of person you really want in control of a group of children.

No where in the o/p was bullying mentioned in teaching, just more pension payments and a longer working life like for all of us.

Like i said if you cant hack teaching do another job, there are numerous threads on here about peole asking about career changes, forced by unemploymnet, boredom, bullying or redundancy.

Like i saiod if you cant hack teaching do another job

What a stupid thing to say. We're not going on strike because we can't hack teaching. I spent 4 years training to become a teacher and will be entering my 20th year of teaching next year. I do it because I enjoy it and it's what I'm good at (this has been independently verified 😉 ).

An earlier post of yours suggested that teacher's who aren't happy with changes to pay and conditions should get another job. Again that shows that you have a very simplistic and limited view of the world. Let's imagine all teachers who are going on strike left the profession. I dare say that might cause bit of a staffing issue for a number of schools...

Dear me, Project, all that sounds like rubbish kids dream up when caught red handed. Did you not like school?

Project - without the men and women that teach in our schools there would be no productive industries in this country. If you're unhappy with the status quo do something about it, but don't belittle other's hard work when clearly you have no alternative.

You're nothing more than a wind up merchant. Get back to your copy of the Daily Mail.

In fact, if you have kids now I suggest you take them out of school and educate them yourself. If you don't, and assuming you do in the future, then prepare for them to be educated in classes of 40+, because that's what's going to happen if Gove continues on this path.

The posts above from headfirst, Edukator and russianbob sum up what I would like to say. I am amazed at some of the responses here. Educating children is one of the most important jobs in our society, whether voluntarily as a parent or professionally as a teacher. Why would we not want to treat people who do this important job well - why would we want them to 'go find another job' if they don't like their changing conditions? It's hardly going to help our children or society if we can't retain high caliber individuals in the profession. Cutting off your nose to spite your face, perhaps?

I could understand the argument betterer if the teachers who were striking actually did strike and not just have a day off to do the garden or shopping (or catch up on work)

I work for an educational software company, I joined 3 months ago. Since then I have met a few dozen maths teachers and head teachers and my views on teachers and teaching have changed considerably. They do a rewarding job which I always knew but it's also hugely stressful, very pressurised and almost completely undervalued. Each successive government seems to politicise education even more than the last but the teachers I have met have been passionate about the work, dedicated to the children and most of all caring and involved. I don't know what it must take to get someone who has those values to go on strike but to simply say they are moaning about nothing seems like an idiotic position to take.

Hard to see where project stands now?

He doesn't. He runs when the going gets tough. I am not a teacher.

Every one of us is entitled to their opinion, based on facts before them, media presentations,personal and life experiences.

Some people fail to realise that or understand, and thats down to poor education, and poor up bringing.

Project - without the men and women that teach in our schools there would be no productive industries in this country.

Education is a production industry, you take people in and train them in various skills and social abilities. 😮

and thats down to poor education

so its our fault you are stupid?

I try to avoid arguing on the internet, but this is priceless:

Some people fail to realise that or understand, and thats down to poor education, and poor up bringing

Can someone post one of those facepalm images up for me?

And this:

Education is a production industry, you take people in and train them in various skills and social abilities.

The use of "industry" and "training" in a definition of what education is, or at least should be is fairly indicative of a woeful level of understanding about this particular topic.

Anyway i have reports to write and want to go riding later.

I could understand the argument betterer if the teachers who were striking actually did strike and not just have a day off to do the garden or shopping (or catch up on work)

What do you expect them to do? if they're not in work, they're striking.

The two days we've been on strike recently, I 'picketed' my workplace and then went to a regional rally in Middlesbrough.

Project - like I said before, "Get back to your Daily Mail". I'm sure you'll dismayed to know that the poor weather we're going to experience this weekend is coming from Eastern Europe.

Having two teenagers in the system and having met lots of teachers, I would venture that there is a mixed bag of teachers in terms of ability, suitability and effectiveness. Unfortunately the obsession with measurement and target, both ill conceived and poorly thought through, make the job increasingly difficult and frustrating. This seems to demoralise the good teachers and make the weak/poor ones considerably worse. There seems to be little appetite to measure real progress/effect in favour of whatever excites the minister at the time. Under these circumstances it is hardly surprising that when the personal benefits of the job become the next target, teachers get a bit miffed.

The care, welfare and education of children is the most important thing we can do. They are the ones who will determine our future and I, for one, would like them to be the most well read, critical thinking and best educated they can possibly be within thier own ability.

But harming those currently in the system will not have the desired effect and it will disengage a whole generation of parents. The government needs to be told, we just need to identify a better way than depriving the children of an education, however briefly.