Tate, Brand and now Barton?

Thing with this clown is he was always an entirely unappealing bell end. Andrew Tit never had a past, Russell Brand was ‘of the time’.

Mindless idiot as a player. Mindless idiot afterwards.

Johnathan's article draws an interesting conclusion that it's somehow a fault of football (and gives some evidence/examples), but it doesn't explain how presumably 99% of former footballers either
- disappear into obscurity, either doing normal jobs, or just enjoying a sensible retirement.
- do something else football related in the clubs
- become pundits
- become "entrepreneurs" with their stacks of cash
- do a Beckham, Cantona, etc and confound everyone by seemingly growing up once they get older (or perhaps the press just stop following them so the perception of them being a bit simple or the pantoimine villain get's left behind).

That one 10years-ex footballer turns out to be a wrongun, which we kind of knew all along, and has 2.7million "followers" that strikes me as football reflecting society, not being a bad example of it.

In his defence, he grew up by the Bluebell, which is a proper rough part of Huyton and really he was never going to be a rocket scientist. There's plenty of stories and i'm sure some know the one about his brother and the knife etc... He's not likely to be a candidate for PM that's for sure.

Didn't he punch some poor sap until they were unconscious outside a nightclub in Liverpool? Fairly sure he did time for it. Why would anyone pay attention to an idiot like that?

All manor of cases of him bullying juniors at the clubs he’s been at too, putting a cigar out on someone springs to mind.

Fairly sure he did time for it.

I remember his brother was sent down. Whatever team he was in at the time played the Albion the same week, we serenaded him with 'where's your brother gone'.

He was always a prick.

Why would anyone pay attention to an idiot like that?

Because there's a chronic lack of male role models who are marketing themselves at disaffected young men.

I saw an interview with him with Piers Morgan. I’m fairness to piers he didn’t agree with anything he said.

Barton is an idiot. His whole defense was it should be best person for the job rather than tokenism (something I kind of agree with), yet was utterly stumped when it was pointed out that Alex Scott, a woman capped over 100 times by England, with a degree in journalism, wasn’t a suitable candidate 

he then ran himself in circles proclaiming in one breath that he wasn’t against woman as long as they were qualified, in the next that the men’s game was fundamentally different to the woman’s. All the time claiming he wasn’t sexist, whilst refusing to acknowledge the point about Ms scott

came across as not particularly bright (putting it kindly)

Johnathan’s article draws an interesting conclusion that it’s somehow a fault of football (and gives some evidence/examples), but it doesn’t explain how presumably 99% of former footballers either

I'm not convinced that hand-wringing articles about this kind of **** are better than just ignoring them.

And as you suggest, he's bashing one kind of horrible prejudice with another more-subtle kind.

I can't believe anyone gives a toss what that cockwomble thinks.

There are many, many reasons to hate Joey Barton

Personally I'll never forgive him for getting sent off, in typically stupid style, when QPR were 2-1 up against City in the last match of the season, thus costing us the title and ushering in a decade of misery.

There may possibly be many other reasons for a decade of misery, but I think I'm just going to blame it all on Joey *ing Barton! The *!

I saw an interview with him with Piers Morgan

When you make Piers look like the model of respectable journalism, you're doing something wrong fo'shure

I’m not convinced that hand-wringing articles about this kind of **** are better than just ignoring them.

And as you suggest, he’s bashing one kind of horrible prejudice with another more-subtle kind.

They just give him credence to his fans if the lefties are complaining about him, as others say, the guy is a muppet and has been his entire career, now his management career is dead, he's got to look at something new, just ignore him, let him do daft stuff quietly and get himself into trouble without giving him any attention.

Indeed. Just ignore him.

He's just a 'Lozza' Fox/Katy Price wannabee. Desperate for attention by saying 'outrageous' things

Somebody made the comparison as to who had achieved what in their respective careers between that bell end and Alex Scott. Guess who came out on top, by some considerable margin?

He’s not likely to be a candidate for PM that’s for sure.

Just Home Sec then?

Why would anyone pay attention to an idiot like that?

Because they are idiots like that?

Clearly being a lower league manager, who's already proven to be mediocre so won't be getting any better offers any time soon is not enough for his huge ego so he's decided to get on the grift. Hopefully everyone will just ignore him after a while, like they did his management career.

Who?

I wasn't particularly interested in Barton, the bloke has always been a bell end, but how did we as a society enable these muppets to become vocal advocates for the hard of thinking and why are they finding an audience.   How do we combat it? 

I don't think ignoring it is working as another arsehole will pop up with the same rhetoric.

How do we combat it?
I don’t think ignoring it is working as another arsehole will pop up with the same rhetoric.

I dunno. Genuinely.

The challenge positive role models pose is they're not out their signalling that they're positive, and telling the world about the good they're doing, they're just getting on with life doing their thing.

It seems that isn't enough in the social media age to provoke positive influence for a great many, but being a bit of a turd has more allure.

Whatever is decided the reality needs to be acknowledged; they've alway existed but due to the connectivity of humanity in the modern world their voice is amplified and others see a viable income stream cosplaying as an 'alpha' so we will be playing wack-a-mole with these ****-sticks until skynet goes live and nukes us.

I'm glad I'm no longer responsible for the wellbeing and behaviour of lots of young men and women, because some of the characters they follow are garbage humans and make leading them very ****ing hard.

Because there’s a chronic lack of male role models who are marketing themselves at disaffected young men.

Exactly. Is Marcus Rashford in the public eye these days?

I don't know much about Brand and Barton but I did have a bit of a look into Tate when he got cancelled and have a few ideas about how he became so popular.

He presents himself as a caricature of a masculine man which appeals to immature teenage boys. Ex kickboxing world champ, rich, in shape, loads of sports cars, flying on private jets, loads of women, says whatever he wants, does whatever he wants and doesn't care what anyone has to say about it.

He understands what social media is. It doesn't matter if someone watches his content because they like him or because they hate him. All that matters is the clicks and views, if you can get enough then you'll start making serious money.

He deliberately says things that are factually accurate but in a way that will cause controversy. For example I saw a video where he said 'women are weak'. He then goes on to explain that on average men are bigger and stronger than women. He clearly knows that the 'women are weak' statement is the part that gets clipped and people get mad about, this is good for him as people are talking about him.

80% of his 'message' is actually quite positive. Work hard, go to the gym, strive to be successful, take responsibility for your actions, stay away from porn, drugs and alcohol.

Lastly I'd just like to add that as I read through this before posting I saw how it could be construed by some as being positive towards Tate, this is not the case. I don't like the guy and think kids should have a far better role model.

 if you can get enough then you’ll start making serious money.

Tate makes money by getting teenagers and sad blokes to pay for his "university" courses. He also operates a sort of pyramid scheme getting young kids to post and encourages others to join the "university" There's estimates of over a hundred thousand paying $50 a month to him. It's not better than a cult. 

He deliberately says things that are factually accurate but in a way that will cause controversy.

I think Tate doesn't care if he says things that are truthful or not, he's just interested in traffic. He's no more than a parasite really.  

He's a numpty but I agree with his views on punditry. We're still allowed opinions right?

He’s a numpty but I agree with his views on punditry.

I couldn't disagree more with the knuckle dragging moronic bellend.
So yes, we can all have opinions.

weeksy

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In his defence, he grew up by the Bluebell, which is a proper rough part of Huyton

So did I, but I manage to keep my gobshittery in check. Most of the time.

So did I, but I manage to keep my gobshittery in check. Most of the time.

Me too mate, well, just off Western Avenue, so not far away but had plenty of people I knew there.

Sounds it sc-xc. Enough to warrant verbal abuse apparently.

The guys a nasty thug, always has been. Cut from the same cloth as his ****ing brother.

I'm sure you'll get up to speed when he inevitably crosses the line a bit too far like they always do 😘

Alleged wife beater that’s all you need to know on his attitude towards women.

For those that don't know the history, Barton's brother was involved in a racist murder about 18 years ago. A couple of weeks ago, Joey Barton seemed reframe his brother a 'part of a scrap that went wrong'. He always has and always will be a maladjusted thug.

When he was managing, his team played at our place, after the match in the tunnel he violently assaulted our manager. Badly, not just a push and shove. Nuff said.

In his defence, he grew up by the Bluebell, which is a proper rough part of Huyton<br /><br />

I used to live about half a mile away, we had a spate of getting broken into every time we left the house. Proper bandit country is Two Dogs.

As an aside , I read an interview he did with a mens magazine , whitewashed as a misunderstood rough diamond , yeah right.

I don't like him.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/joey-bartons-most-disgraceful-controversies-23544106

There seems to be an established game plan now:

• Do something horrid, usually to a woman or multiple women.
• Realise there may be impending consequences for your actions.
• Very publicly lurch rightwards to gain a new audience who will believe your legal woes are all part of a woke conspiracy to cancel you and who don't think much of 'uppity women' in the first place.
• Watch the donations roll in for your legal defense whilst your accusers get deluged with death and rape threats from your charming new acolytes.

Brand is the obvious case study but Musk's decision to 'come out' politically as he knew sexual harassment allegations against an employee were about to surface has many parallels.

We’re still allowed opinions right?

Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one, but some are shittier than others.

Tom-B

For those that don’t know the history, Barton’s brother was involved in a racist murder about 18 years ago. A couple of weeks ago, Joey Barton seemed reframe his brother a ‘part of a scrap that went wrong’. He always has and always will be a maladjusted thug.

Have heard some fairly horrific stories about how Barton was treated by his dad, so he's very much a product of his environment - equally horrific stories about him stubbing out cigars on youth players at Man City, so not keen to defend him in the slightest.

The challenge positive role models pose is they’re not out their signalling that they’re positive, and telling the world about the good they’re doing, they’re just getting on with life doing their thing.

It seems that isn’t enough in the social media age to provoke positive influence for a great many, but being a bit of a turd has more allure.

I suppose the root of the problem is the that a section of society feels left behind, once that's happened they'll always be an easier target for grifters who can use them to their advantage by blaming their problems on something/someone else. Whether that's Brexit, Tate or any other of the countless examples in history.

The solution isn't some sort of social media Jesus character. It's better investment in education so they get better jobs and meet their needs. It's building more housing so you can see a way out of the rent trap in SE England. It's investing in renewables so your energy bills look affordable.

It's just generally being less s*** as a society. The allure of a superyacht is greatly diminished if your need for a bit of sun, sea and a pint of beer to relax at the weekend can be met in Dorset without swimming past used jonnies and toilet paper off Swanage. The superyacht might still be aspirational, but you're not waking up on a wet Thursday in Stoke (to borrow the footballing idiom) and turning to social media for answers as to why everythging is awfull.

That's the same as every generation, there's nothing special about this generation, it's just that everything is broadcast 24/7 rather than within smaller groups like in the olden days.

The interesting thing for me about this is that I’ve not seen a backlash from white, retired, male footballers against the likes of John Motson or Jake Humphrey being commentators despite neither of them having played the game to any significant level. The fact that the objections are to commentators and pundits who are women or ethnic minorities tells you what is behind these statements.

True, but if you take the "social media" aspect out of it, you've still got people forming groups behind certain causes coinciding with what they perceive as injustices against them.

Sometimes it's a force for good
-Peterloo protests, repeal of the corn laws etc in the economic aftermath of the Napoleonic wars
-Suffragettes in the aftermath of WW1

Sometimes it's not
- Mosleys /Mussolini's Blackshirts
- Tate, etc.

The commonality is they all arose from crappy* periods of history.

*on reflection most of history is crappy. But then looking at what protests are in favor of is how history is written, looking backwards based on the outcome. If you want to stop people protesting, the solution is to make life less crappy for them. Otherwise it becomes wack-a-mole. Farage, Corbyn, Tate, all sides of the same dice, give people a common enemy and they'll unite whether that's immigration, Tories or women.