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We're thinking about going (fully) electric for my wife's car. Reasoning being something like:
- It's a 2nd car that is almost exclusively used for short journeys. (her commute to work is only 12 miles). We have a big diesel 7-seater for long family journeys.
- Her current car is a 2009 diesel Fiesta and it is dying. She wants something more modern that doesn't sound like a tractor.
- New car would be a lease, so less concern about hidden cost from battery ageing
- Probably via the salary-sacrifice NHS lease scheme which gives extra tax breaks for electric cars (I think it is something like no benefit-in-kind payable on electric)
- Feels like a vaguely eco thing to do. (Yes we aware of the arguments about lithium mining, battery production, etc).
Any thoughts?
A Jaguar I-PACE or Tesla Model 3 would certainly be nice, but I think we are much more at the Nissan Leaf end of the market. 😃
We probably won't have a dedicated charge point installed initially as we're planning a bunch of extension work so we'll put it in during the house rewire for that. We figure an overnight domestic 13 amp charge will usually be fine given the short journeys and there is a higher-power charger in a car park quite close to our house if needed.
I can only add 2 things
1) the NHS Salary sacrifice scheme was so crap 2 years ago when we looked, it was far cheaper to just PCP a new car from Seat.
2) the Outgoing Golf E seems to be very cheap to lease at the moment, it's not a great EV (IME ICE cars converted to EV rarely are) but it's 'good enough' and for the money they're asking a bargain.
You could buy and fuel a small petrol car much much cheaper than leasing a new EV for a 12 mile commute.
But if you want to go EV to save the planet the Nisan leaf is a fair price as are the Kia and Hyundai offerings.
We’ve got an i3 ordered on salary sacrifice through Zenith, not sure if that’s who the NHS use too but if it is it starts at only £15/month more than the leaf so worth a look. I’ll admit I haven’t driven the leaf but have had a go in an i3 and it’s great.
We’ll be fitting a charger and getting an off peak Tariff as most of charging will be at home. Commute is 65 mile round trip and electric seems a good way to do it.
There’s been a couple of EV threads recently if you have a search which have some good info in.
BMW lead time is about 6 months though! I have to wait until the middle of June for ours 😳☹️ I guess the changes to BIK tax has suddenly increased demand?
You could buy and fuel a small petrol car much much cheaper than leasing a new EV for a 12 mile commute.
This was unfortunately the conclusion I reached looking middle of last year, That won't remain the case forever but it still needs some more early adopters (towards the more affluent end of the scale) to break the back of EV ownership/usage and make it a bit more viable for the rest of us...
Have a look at the Renault Zoe.
Seat Mii is on offer NHS Lease at the moment looks Ok for a little city car.
I’d use the car park charger it takes 3.5 hours for my GTE to charge to full capacity on a 13A.
I see that the Zoé 50 is now available in the UK, not cheap though at £269 / month and £800 down if I've read it correctly: I hate ads where I'm not even sure I've read it correctly, the French offer is crystal clear and yet after reading the following I'd have to ask questions:
https://offers.renault.co.uk/cars/new-zoe/renaultselectionszeaccess?offer=893
The NHS deals seem good but do compare with what you can get elsewhere - make sure you factor in things like pension implications for salary sacrifice schemes.
There's good lease (and indeed purchase) deals on 40kWh Leaf, eGolf, new Zoe. I have an eGolf on lease and am really enjoying it. Range not the best but plenty for our needs, I picked it up from Bradford and drove it home (228 miles) with some rapid charges on the way, no problem at all - planning to use it for some more long journeys.
All EVs are just really pleasant to drive, even slow ones feel much quicker than they are, always loads of zip for getting out of junctions, etc. Preheating through winter is ace too.
Overnight charging on 3-pin is OK if your electrics are up to it, just be sensible - it's a lot of power for sustained period of time so a knackered old socket might be a problem. Some cars can reduce their charge rate in the settings to make it even slower.
That won’t remain the case forever but it still needs some more early adopters
This is pretty much our thinking on the "eco" side too - if enough people start to go electric then the demand will improve the technology, lower the cost, improve the infrastructure, etc but it needs idiots like us to take the early adopter hit.
This was unfortunately the conclusion I reached looking middle of last year, That won’t remain the case forever but it still needs some more early adopters
It’s not far off. Ours is going to cost £330 /month insured and maintained. Could have got it down to nearly £300 if I didn’t want the “S” and wasn’t fussed about colour and a couple of other extras. That’s to do 15k/year and Scottish power reckon it’ll save about £1500 of fuel a year if I mostly charge it off peak. And the priceless warm fuzzy feeling that I might just save a polar bear.
Good real world review of Jag iPace from Harry’s Garage (Harry Metcalfe - used to own Evo magazine and is actually a Jag brand ambassador so surprisingly honest in this vid). Although it’s about the iPace some stuff is relevant to electric cars as a whole.
The NHS deals seem good but do compare with what you can get elsewhere – make sure you factor in things like pension implications for salary sacrifice schemes.
The figures they give you show how it effects your pension, about £80 a year in my case so I’m not concerned.
For reference the Nissan Leaf quote came in at £297.22 a month:
Good real world review of Jag iPace from Harry’s Garage
Take with a pinch of salt IMO. I like him but this felt a bit silly in places. Many mistakes on public charging that he didn't need to do anyway because the car had plenty of range to do his journey.
NHS Fleet is showing £273.20 for that same model and miles. Given it’s everything in including service and parts plus delivery to home it’s pretty good. Yes, it’s never my car and yes it effects my pension and tax but I know that’s all I’ll pay the car over the time I have it.
Best for a Leaf Tekna privately for 3 years/10kpa is £258.56 although 9 months upfront.
Bear in mind you can buy a Tekna for about £25700 at the moment, if you kept it a while it could work out better.
Make sure you buy a Tesla, that way you can bore the pants off everyone in the office about how brilliant it is (despite it seemingly spending more time in the dealership than on the road) like the Tesla Tosser in my office.
I see that the Zoé 50 is now available in the UK, not cheap though at £269 / month and £800 down if I’ve read it correctly
Does that include battery rental? You still have to rent Zoe batteries don't you?
Kia Soul EV 1400 down and £199 a month.
That was two years ago.
Best for a Leaf Tekna privately for 3 years/10kpa is £258.56 although 9 months upfront.
Full servicing, parts and insurance?
Those saying they looked last summer and decided again should look again. I did the same and a BMW i3s was coming out around £350. That was just a bit more than I wanted to pay at the time but I looked again a month or so ago and the exact same car was now down to £280ish so I've ordered one.
You'll have no worries just using a standard plug overnight, it works fine.
You could buy and fuel a small petrol car much much cheaper than leasing a new EV for a 12 mile commute.
Cheapest electric car on our scheme is a Skoda Citigo which comes in around £180pm with no deposit and insurance, tax, maintenance + tyres included. Can you get a new petrol car cheaper?
Indeed the Seat Mii showing as £155pm at 8k miles per annum all in.
Blimey, I think I need to recalibrate her sights... 🙂
I've just signed up for a Nissan Leaf through a similar work Salary Sacrifice Scheme.
Beware the lead times.
Never really previously considered leasing, but it works out at about £270pcm, no upfront payment, 3 years, 15k pa, including insurance, servicing and tyres. Max penalty of 2 months lease to exit any time.
Without wanting to turn this in to a lease Vs buy thread, it seems very good value for a second car (given my current life situation: mid way through house move so money is a bit tight and first child on the way, wife's 13 year old MX5 is apparently not compatible with child ).
We usually buy cars second hand at about £10k, lose about £1k pa in depreciation, budget around £1k pa in service, MOT, insurance, tyres etc.
So in effect we will be paying £1k pa extra (£3K total) for a new car, and should save most of that in fuel costs (free charging at a few local places, including at work)
Harry needs to get an app to tell him which charge points are free. He's absolutely right about the irritation and inconvenience of not being able to use a credit card and I agree with his suggestions at the end. He'll soon learn that a few minutes research is needed before each journey beyond the car's range to find out where there are fast chargers for your car and whether it's operational and likely to be free.
I don't know about Jag but Renault has a simulator on their site which gives range as a function of speed, temperature and use of the heater/air con - it's spot on IME so Harry's surprise at losing range faster than expected just means he hasn't understood the relationship between speed and consumption - surprising for someone who's supposed to be interested cars. Just trundle along with the trucks Harry, I got better range out of my old 40kWh Zoé than you got out of that Jag and it's rare you can charge fast enough to compensate for the reduced range from going faster.
I’ve not watched the video but reading your post Edukator Harry needs to catch up. Those cliches of wrong charger point, shock using the heater uses charge and how do I know where charge points are, they’re long out of date by almost 10 years.
He is simply showing the positives and negatives of moving to electric and what people need to consider who haven’t had one before, which is nearly everyone.
I didn’t realise the range could be so much reduced from what was stated just by using the basic features of the car everyone needs to use. Losing a 1/5th of the range on that long journey is a real pain - that’s when you really need the range to be accurate and honest.
I think the charging issue is a big one. Cars need to be able to charge a lot faster and more readily than they do now.
I think he has a real point about the speed/range issue. Why make them crazy fast at the expense of range? If they did 0-60 in 8 seconds they’d still be fast - if they slowed the cars down and increased the range that’d be a huge benefit.
Oh and BTW - £300 a month and all you get is a Nissan Leaf??? £3600 a year and you use up more of the earths resources making a new car as dull as that one - seems a waste!!
I’ve not watched the video
But you feel like you are qualified to comment? Peak STW. 🙄🙄🙄
Edukator - going fast? He was doing 70mph on the motorway, hardly going fast.
What do you mean, stick to the trucks??
Harry probably has more experience and knowledge of cars, including electric ones, than everyone on this forum posting today have put together.
Oh and BTW – £300 a month and all you get is a Nissan Leaf???
As pointed out, that was just a quote for reference. There are many other options and different cars as others have said.
The Skoda Citigo mentioned was £180pm with insurance, tax, maintenance + tyres included. That's pretty damn cheap!
Does that include battery rental? You still have to rent Zoe batteries don’t you?
In France it's in with the lease of the car. Uk looks the same me. I just bought the car and battery outright. On less than 10 000km a year the lease deal was attractive, on more I reckon to do better by buying with a 5-year guarantee.
I'm a lot more confident about battery life having used my first Zoé for 2 1/2 years. The cars that seem to suffer from early loss of battery capacity are the early Leaf which people used to regularly fast charge to the brim. I avoid that.
Harry probably has more experience and knowledge of cars, including electric ones, than everyone on this forum posting today have put together.
And many more irrational prejudices - the only other car he refers to in that vid is to eulogise about a RR Silver Cloud doing about 8mpg with no depolution equipment whatsoever. He spent the whole vid displaying (feigning IMO) his ignorance about electric cars and charging systems. Surely he isn't that thick? I don't believe he is, it's just anti-EV propaganda like Clarkson.
By sticking with the trucks I mean driving at the same speed as the trucks with nice big safety distances. Trucks do a real 90kmh on their regulators (you'll probably have about 94kmh on the speedo) at which speed an EV will go a long way. Driving any slower would be anti-social and increas risk IMO, driving faster just increases the number of charges and means you spend more time charging than you've gained by going faster.
But you feel like you are qualified to comment? Peak STW
No, I pointed out if Edukator is right then it’s outdated cliches. Is that what Harry was claiming that it’s tricky with the chargers and a debit card system would be easier?
Harry probably has more experience and knowledge of cars, including electric ones, than everyone on this forum posting today have put together.
Good for him time to drop the cliches then.
it’s just anti-EV propaganda like Clarkson.
Clarkson it later years supports them but like many of us will miss the grunt of petrol.
Have a look on leasing.com at nissan leaf 40 - £174 p.m. (£1570 initial) for an N-Connecta (good middle ground model). That's 2 yrs and 5000miles. ( you'd have to check the extra millage cost)
I think the charging issue is a big one. Cars need to be able to charge a lot faster and more readily than they
do now.did 5-10 years ago
With the newest car's we're talking 80% charge quicker than you can drink a cup of hot coffee or make an incorrect statement on STW.
I think he has a real point about the speed/range issue. Why make them crazy fast at the expense of range? If they did 0-60 in 8 seconds they’d still be fast – if they slowed the cars down and increased the range that’d be a huge benefit.
Because unlike IC engines there is torque from almost zero, at the expense of it not building to a peak. So a Ferrari with 300lb-ft at 6000prm that can do 200mph might only be able to produce a fraction of that at 1500rpm (finger in the air, lets say 100lb-ft) . Whereas an electric motor can do 150lb-ft at low revs, or high revs. So to make an electric car do a very sensible 80mph, you get sports car acceleration almost by default. It's limited more by how much current the batteries can deliver, which is related to their capacity. Hence why the long range models are also the quickest.
And...........
Range decreases with increasing speed as it's a more entropic use of energy. Any car's range drops off a cliff if you go quickly. My car will do 38mpg at 70, or 55mpg at 55mph. That electric cars do the same really shouldn't be a surprise.
Electric cars have a slight double whammy in this regard as around town you get regenerative braking. So not only are you using less energy per mile, you get some back too. Whereas on the motorway it's all gone to air resistance.
Ah, hadn't realised NHS was including insurance. Good deal then, particularly if you have risk factors that make it more expensive.
Renault UK have dropped the battery lease for the ZE50, can only buy outright. I was happy with battery lease given the reduction in upfront cost (and was tempted by a last-of-the-line ZE40) but it is confusing for end customers.
I think he has a real point about the speed/range issue. Why make them crazy fast at the expense of range? If they did 0-60 in 8 seconds they’d still be fast – if they slowed the cars down and increased the range that’d be a huge benefit.
Because it's largely irrelevant for EVs. You don't have the inefficiencies of a large capacity or tuned-for-power engine at the times when you're not using that power. It's far more about reducing drag - aero, tyres, drivetrain, etc.
The EPA in the states do an efficiency / MPG equivalent figure - in effect how far you can go on a kWh of electricity. The Tesla Model 3 (0-60 in 5s) is almost the same as the Hyundai Ioniq (0-60 in 10.2). But where the Tesla and Ioniq need about 25kWh of electricity to do 100 miles, the Jaguar iPace needs 44kWh. It's just a really inefficient car.
Good for him time to drop the cliches then.
Time for you to watch the video then.
But where the Tesla and Ioniq need about 25kWh of electricity to do 100 miles, the Jaguar iPace needs 44kWh. It’s just a really
inefficientmuch bigger car.
With the newest car’s we’re talking 80% charge quicker than you can drink a cup of hot coffee or make an incorrect statement on STW.
So it takes 80% charge in less than 10 minutes?
If anyone bothered to watch the video you can see one of the main points. Tesla has done a lot to provide infrastructure for their own cars so you can charge them quickly. All the other manufacturers can’t be bothered to help, yes of course you could say why should they but why can’t they even agree on a socket everyone has to use?
Everyone jumping on the EV bandwagon is just trying to profiteer from it rather than providing a decent product. Until that stops EV’s are going to be a problematic purchase for a lot of people.
I work for a government department and we all use lease cars to do our work (fairly simple ones as a tool to get to sites we need to regulate). Even though we have recently been offered some of the EV’s available at the moment (no fast/big/expensive ones like the iPace!!) almost no-one has taken them up despite a big push from our bosses. Why? If you can’t charge them at work (none of our Yorkshire offices has any charges) and due to the relatively lower income of most operational staff they generally don’t have drives with their houses or are in rented houses so can’t have a charger at home.
Net result is that even though the main cost of the car is covered (plus insurance/tax/maintenance - just have to pay fuel and BIK) I haven’t seen any EV take up. And we are a very environmentally conscious organisation so they want to use them but can’t.
Even if I have an EV and charge it at home I can’t rely on an EV car for emergency response which all my colleagues are on as we have to go to a wide range of places sometimes a fair way away. We simply can’t be waiting an hour for a battery charge when we are heading out to an incident.
iPace is only a little wider and taller than the Model 3. The Model X is much bigger in every dimension and still manages 34kWh/100miles.
So it takes 80% charge in less than 10 minutes?
If you're drinking from a polabear killing thin non-recyclable paper cup that results in cold coffee in 10 minutes, no.
But the current model 3 will do it in 20-30 minutes.
And there's already batteries in development that will halve/quater that time again.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2221740-electric-cars-could-charge-in-10-minutes-with-a-new-kind-of-battery/
Time for you to watch the video then.
I’m watching it now.
Harry, diesel and electric range on the dashboard varies depending on the driving, heating directed at only the seats in use is not just in electric cars, use slip roads they’re there for a reason and don’t turn into no entries. Funny how Harry only found charges that he didn’t have the app or card for, £87k is not a family car and Harry if you’re going to claim no one is using the Tesla chargers don’t pan the camera to show they are. Oh and Harry, VW are just one company investing in charging networks best do some research.
Yes the charging network needs addressed that’ll come but it’s nothing as bad as he makes it out.
Even if I have an EV and charge it at home I can’t rely on an EV car for emergency response which all my colleagues are on as we have to go to a wide range of places sometimes a fair way away. We simply can’t be waiting an hour for a battery charge when we are heading out to an incident.
And your niche occasional use is relavent to the OP's 12 mile commute in what way?
For me the main thing Harry was trying to show was that there are at least 3 different connectors for pumping volts in to the car, and not one single unified standard. And that they often don't let you use anonymous contactless but rely on you being a registered user with the app for that provider.
Even if I had a preferred fuel brand and loyalty card, I can still use any pump from any brand, and there's a single nozzle standard on every single pump that will work without me needing to stop and download another app and register, and also, not need to use an app to see which pumps in the vicinity are free. That is what Ecotricity and co. need to ensure... a plug on every single charger that suits every single EV car, and always works with no need for any app or preregistration... simply plug in, say how much power (or time), and wave bank card. And if you have a loyalty card, then you get it cheaper, or collect points or whatever.
As for the mileage... when I go on the autobahn, the predicted range goes UP not down. Local driving is inefficient, motorway driving is efficient. It's useful to be aware that at least in an iPace, motorway driving is potentially a less efficicent way of using those volts and amps. And 69 on cruise control up the M4 is a perfectly valid scenario, irrespective of method of propulsion, and a pretty valid comparison imho too.
As the OP is only talking about local(ish) driving, charging at home/nearby, then practically any EV car would do surely? And most of those concerns won't be a concern? And you won't need to do research before setting out on a different journey.
Harry appears to be guilty of going out in a new tech car, that fuels by a method completely different to what he's used to, having done no preparation, planning or research into the national charging network and then blaming everyone else except his own stupidity. He is however correct about the national network being confusing to new users, difficult to use generally and over complicated methods of payment etc. It needs sorting out.
As for the mileage… when I go on the autobahn, the predicted range goes UP not down.
Indeed but when you go into town it goes down not up.
Spot on B.A.nana despite having more experience than anyone on stw he couldn’t work that one thing out that took me less than half hour to research when looking into a hybrid. I’m looking further into once I decide if I’m going fully ev this time or not.
Harry appears to be guilty of going out in a new tech car, that fuels by a method completely different to what he’s used to, having done no preparation, planning or research into the national charging network
Another one not watching the video.
He had the car for a few weeks before the video.
All the preparation in the world won’t stop you coming across broken chargers, no space at chargers etc.
And what happens when you have to divert you route because of an accident and you do more miles than your meticulous planning suggested? You’re stuck in an area you don’t know with a rapidly dying battery.
I kind of get what Harry was trying to do, and it should be easier. New rapid chargers have to have contactless, and almost every new car has a CCS port for rapid charging - but there's a long tail of early cars (and chargers) out there. Polar at least have said they'll have contactless on everything by the summer. Instavolt have always been contactless.
That Hammersmith hub was on free vend as an intro/testing thing - they wanted to get lots of charges on them, but it means anyone with time on their hands queues up to fill their cars. A petrol station giving away fuel would have quite the queue as well.
He uses a Polar card that doesn't work (it's not the charger failing), presumably because the subscription has lapsed, then can't be bothered to set up the alternative.
And as for Ecotricity - they need to get out of this business and fast. Hoovered up early government grants to build a charging network then have left it to rot. At least the motorway services exclusivity agreements are starting to expire so hopefully they don't have long left.
When I pull up at a petrol station I'm offered 4 different pumps, and given that 150,000 people choose the wrong one each year (dozens of police and ambulance crews among them), I don't think liquid fuelling is immune to stupidity either.
Harry if you’re going to claim no one is using the Tesla chargers don’t pan the camera to show they are
Again, watch the video. He showed the Tesla chargers as a good example of how Tesla are providing infrastructure when no other manufactures are, not as an example of how the infrastructure isn’t being used. And nearly all the chargers weren’t being used, unless there were some magical cars you could see that my perfect eyesight couldn’t. 🙄
He had the car for a few weeks before the video.
All the preparation in the world won’t stop you coming across broken chargers, no space at chargers etc.
And what happens when you have to divert you route because of an accident and you do more miles than your meticulous planning suggested? You’re stuck in an area you don’t know with a rapidly dying battery.
he hadn't even bothered signing up to the main networks before going on a long journey, then threw his toys about because of that - was my point
Again, watch the video. He showed the Tesla chargers as a good example of how Tesla are providing infrastructure when no other manufactures are, not as an example of how the infrastructure isn’t being used. And nearly all the chargers weren’t being used, unless there were some magical cars you could see that my perfect eyesight couldn’t.
I did. Yes they have and VW as I mentioned is another investing networks. He said no one is using them they were his camera work wasn’t good enough, yes lots empty as Tesla unlike others won’t allow anyone but Tesla to use them. If Tesla allowed others to use them he could have been charging his car once Harry had worked how.
https://pod-point.com/rollout/tesco-ev-charging
he hadn’t even bothered signing up to the main networks before going on a long journey
I didn't sign up to Esso, Mobil, Texaco, BP and Morrisons either, before I set out on a 100mi journey each way.
Didn't need to.
Shouldn't need to. Just plug in, and pay with standard means of card payment, and wait till it's full.
For a slightly more optimistic viewpoint than Harry’s, it’s worth checking out The Fully Charged Show on YouTube
It covers electric cars as well as solar power, house batteries, etc.
e.g.
Oh and it is presented, partly, by Kryton :
Shouldn’t need to. Just plug in, and pay with standard means of card payment, and wait till it’s full.
You’re right you shouldn’t but for now it’s how it works. It would be like heading for fuel and then wondering why they don’t take your Euros for payment at U.K. petrol station.
Didn’t need to.
Shouldn’t need to. Just plug in, and pay with standard means of card payment, and wait till it’s full.
These are all the places you can do that in the UK, today.
Excellent that’s an incredible difference to how it use to be. Poor Harry for someone with more knowledge then STW combined he’s a bit well crap.
I didn’t sign up to Esso, Mobil, Texaco, BP and Morrisons either, before I set out on a 100mi journey each way.
Didn’t need to.
Shouldn’t need to. Just plug in, and pay with standard means of card payment, and wait till it’s full.
100% Agreed, but the point is it isn't like that yet and he didn't do anything to help himself (I suspect he knew exactly what he was doing and it was all done to make the point).
Interesting all fast chargers taking debit card 3 if which are currently available
Yep Instavolt round here are credit/debit card contactless, it's how it should be.
To be fair, that Polar is right off the motorway so it's the convenient option. Only one of those (the Engenie at the top) has contactless at the moment but the others should soon.
I filtered contactless and free to use.
I suspect he knew exactly what he was doing and it was all done to make the point).
It’s exactly what he did as I say to use the cliches that people like Swedishmetal still believe in.
The new standard is Euro combo which is compatible with the old Type 2 and looks like being the future. The CHAdeMO, type 1 and type 3 look likely to lose support.
I agree that a (pan European) law is needed to make all charge points payable with a contactless credit card. (I said I agreed with Harry on this point from the outset). Over the next year I'll be using the Zoé in at least half a dozen different countries with as many different languages and no doubt many more apps. Despite that I very much doubt I'll ever run out, because if the worst come to the worst you can always bribe someone to let you plug the car in somewhere.
Are you in Germany, Andy? It's a proper pain there. Anything free is squatted by Merc hybrids for the free parking and there are something like 80 different charge point cards/apps.
because if the worst come to the worst you can always bribe someone to let you plug the car in somewhere.
I’ve used my Charge your car card for others to charge their car on when they’ve asked if I knew how it worked. After scanning my card I’ve explained how to get a card or app.
Drac, "free to use" on zapmap just means no session or per-kWh costs - you still need a card or app to start the charge. All the Chargeplace Scotland stuff is like that.
if the worst come to the worst you can always bribe someone to let you plug the car in somewhere.
I believe https://www.plugshare.com/ will show you people's residential chargers that they are happy for others to use.
Drac, “free to use” on zapmap just means no session or per-kWh costs – you still need a card or app to start the charge. All the Chargeplace Scotland stuff is like that.
Oh aye good point as our local ones are free in the public car parks. 🤦🏻♂️
Having now unticked that it seems I’d accidentally unticked debit card option so indeed you are right there’s just the one.
I believe https://www.plugshare.com/ /a> will show you people’s residential chargers that they are happy for others to use.
A big uptake on that too since I last looked, why can’t Morrison’s, BP and Esso do that with diesel if you forgot your wallet?
Are you in Germany, Andy? It’s a proper pain there.
Yup and yup.
I think we have chargers for 4 parking spaces in a 6 storey carpark at work (would have to check the exact number, cos I never park on that floor).
There are 2 in the street outside work (well the other end of the street, but close enough). Always in use. Same car every single morning when I go past. Even if I could use those, I couldn't, cos I can't always guarantee getting out of a meeting to go move it. I guess there must be some kind of "etiquette"? There are a handful of other 1-2 charger points around town now., and similarly, I've never seen them empty.
There are more and more gradually appearing at autobahn services, but I wouldn't call it a massive number. UK is definitely ahead there in terms of numbers of chargers (ignoring requirements for registering with every provider, etc.)
Last time I checked an app (well the website), there were a few chargers in Q-Park (one of which was 8 chargers, but only open 8am-8pm working days), and a 60km round trip to the nearest Tesla charger!
Of course it's getting better, and clearly there are a lot of EV. It's just not quite there yet. And I think that was the point Harry was trying to make.
You’re right you shouldn’t but for now it’s how it works.
Seems like a valid criticism then.
It would be like heading for fuel and then wondering why they don’t take your Euros for payment at U.K. petrol station.
Not really because everyone in the UK takes pounds, it's normal and written into law. Whereas having to sign up for an app brings with it a whole load of other issues.
Seems like a valid criticism then.
Which everyone has agreed on but not on his mellow dramatics on how hard is to find a charger you can use.
Not really because everyone in the UK takes pounds, it’s normal and written into law.
Yeah you’ve missed my point and added a bit of drama to it.
Whereas having to sign up for an app brings with it a whole load of other issues.
Like Apple Pay so I don’t have to take pounds, despite what the law states.
I've driven an EV for 3.5 years.
It's been charged away from home exactly zero times..........
I N R A T S but SH Renault if the status isn't important.
I’ve driven an EV for 3.5 years.
It’s been charged away from home exactly zero times……
I which case your BMW i3 is the hybrid range extender version, you've got another car or you've never driven more than 65 miles from home. 🙂
Wife has just bought a leaf. Could someone help us out with what home charge point to get?
Much appreciated
Like Apple Pay so I don’t have to take pounds, despite what the law states.
Can you be temporary custodian of an electric car without owning an over priced phone?
How would you find charging points.
They seem to be in the oddest of places once you get out of the city's
Probably find a Nokia 3310 on eBay.
How would you find charging points.
They seem to be in the oddest of places once you get out of the city’s
Zap-map, you usually find them in car parks which is a very odd place to put them.
Wife has just bought a leaf. Could someone help us out with what home charge point to get?
Podpoint use to be the generic reply but I think there was another last time someone asked.
Thanks Drac, They look good.
Hi Garlando,
If you have solar PV or plan to do so then investigate the Myenergi Zappi.
We have been using one for nearly a year.
Very good, charges from solar panels or can be programmed to charge overnight if you have a tarrif with cheap rates at certain times.
Be aware that chargers now need to be 'smart' to qualify for grant funding.
She needs to decide if she wants tethered or untethered, tethered is most straightforward I expect, untethered is usually cheapest option (you provide the cable which should come with your car, you may have to remove it from the charger every time tho so it doesn't get nicked, which makes it a faff for many people).
Rolec are quite cheap and loads of people have them incl me (untethered).
If I had the option again I think an Ohme charger is a good blend of price and tech. I've bought an Ohme cable for the Rolec as they were half price from Octopus Energy. a lot of EV users are on Octopus Go tariif or Octopus Agile, the ohme cable works with the Octopus Agile tariff to make your charging as cheap as possible, which is why I've bought the Ohme cable.
Otherwise there are loads out there some examples here https://www.smarthomecharge.co.uk/vehicles/nissan/nissan-leaf/
you need to be aware of the gov grant, as above
I’ve driven an EV for 3.5 years.
It’s been charged away from home exactly zero times………
Same here. It's called purchasing the vehicle appropriate to your lifestyle.