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Is it ridiculous to think that our global powers might consider Brazil incapable of looking after their ( the planets) rain forest, and try and "take control" of it / the country?
Just something I thought, while watching the news today....
I agree, but unfortunately the two remaining super powers (US and China) are up their own arses with a pathetic trade war and the UK is up its own arse with Brexit. Russia seems to want to restart the cold war with the US; so only the French seem to really care about it mankind's survival.
I can't see mankind lasting much longer on this planet. I really think we'll turn the planet into a complete wasteland in the next 50 years.
Not just ridiculous but offensive. Perhaps Donald could buy it?
I can’t see mankind lasting much longer on this planet. I really think we’ll turn the planet into a complete wasteland in the next 50 years.
I'd put money on that except neither me or my 31 & 35 yr old kids will be around to collect the winnings.
Earth is FUBARED already but the only way to reverse any doom is to stop putting more people on it at the rate we are.
If you don't agree please say why, cos I'm dying to know what the alternative is.
Brazil clearly is incapable of looking after the rainforests. Brexit and trade wars won’t influence the global climate, it’s just political handbags at 50 paces. As soon as these issues start to cause real harm they have a way to sort things out. But Brazil’s mismanagement of the rain forests represents a real threat to the globe. Not sure what the solution is, clearly taking over the country is a ridiculous notion, but maybe the rest of the world needs to step up and somehow incentivise the Brazilian government to manage the forests responsibly. We can do it for the Saudis to protect our oil supply, why not use soft diplomacy to protect the rain forests?
I don’t agree. Humans are nothing if not adaptable and a wasteland would require some kind of apocalypse. Don’t think that’s happening in the next fifty years to be honest. Couple of hundred maybe.
Yeah, there are too many people, but it’s the younger generations that are likely to instigate the changes we need. No kids, no future good or bad. You just hate kids essel and that’s fine 😀
We can do it for the Saudis to protect our oil supply, why not use soft diplomacy to protect the rain forests?
No way of making money from it.
Afaik, the clearing of the rainforest is driven by demand from Chinese pig farmers for soy beans.
China is one of the worlds biggest hemp producers.
How much of that ends up as pig feed?
Maybe in the uk we should be turning over the huge swathes of our countryside, nominally given over to bracken and heather production to faster growing plants, such as hemp and bamboo.
As well as soaking up lots of CO2, these plants could be exported to the Chinese pig farmers.
Win-win?
No kids, no future good or bad. You just hate kids essel
My 2 are fine thanks. They always have been but my view on kids has changed, theyr'e ok as long as I can't see or hear them 🙂
So the population of earth has doubled since 1965 & has increased by over 200,000 today alone.
I don't mean don't repopulate the planet, just stop thinking you can have 3 kids & it won't have an impact.
This wasn't an issue (that I knew of) when my 2 were born in the 80's.
Anyway, Brazil & rainforests, the lungs of the planet are blazing.
Brexit and trade wars won’t influence the global climate, it’s just political handbags at 50 paces.
My point was that's all the majority of the G7 seem to care about right now, bar France. Trump / Johnson / Putinn couldn't care less if every tree on the planet was burnt down. Xi possibly does realise we need trees.
When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money
True that.
Population growth is a total red herring - Malthusian thinking has been shown time and time again to be erroneous, but people keep on bringing up this tired old nonsense without really looking into the facts.
The other bit of flawed thinking present on STW is to extrapolate from the present day - just like a Tory MP did at the end of the 19th Century when he looked at population growth, and the number of horses needed to sustain society, and concluded that London would be 6 ft deep in horse manure as a consequence.
Here's a little bit of information on population growth for the hard of thinking:
JP
When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money
Only if you can't work out how to get the wrapper off
The other bit of flawed thinking present on STW is to extrapolate from the present day – just like a Tory MP did at the end of the 19th Century when he looked at population growth, and the number of horses needed to sustain society, and concluded that London would be 6 ft deep in horse manure as a consequence.
& your'e right, we aren't.
Wer'e 6ft deep in carbon emissions instead. & getting deeper.
That report you showed ^^ is probably going to be true as well, in that population growth will 'probably' stop growing by the end of the century. That'll 'probably' mean one thing, & I doubt it'll mean people have stopped reproducing by choice.
65 million years ago a catastrophic event wiped out a very large percentage of incumbent life and plunged the planet Earth into a nuclear winter for a few hundred thousand years.
It recovered very well, all by itself.
The planet Earth is fine, humankind on the other hand isn’t and no matter our arrogance, the planet will recover.
HTH
How dare developing countries exploit their resources like we have to make us one of the super rich.
Is it ridiculous to think that our global powers might consider Brazil incapable of looking after their ( the planets) rain forest, and try and “take control” of it / the country?
Just something I thought, while watching the news today….
Credit to you blisterman, most Tories would be afraid to discuss their secret belief in colonialism, but you've taken the bull by the horns here. Why don't we just go over there and take charge, show these black and brown people how to run their country?
Brexit and trade wars won’t influence the global climate, it’s just political handbags at 50 paces.
Oh but it does. Its part of a system called capitalism, you may have heard of it. Its whats driving the planet into the ground.
How dare developing countries exploit their resources like we have to make us one of the super rich.
Or perhaps some people with the benefit of past experience have realised that tearing up the planet is detrimental to all who live there.
So long as economic competition exists between nations to be billy big bollox on the planet, the greater the damage to the only place we live on in the universe.
Perhaps we should stop thinking nation against nation, and look upon the occupants as fellow Humans first, this won't happen when we continue to "elect" so called strongmen into politcal power, just so they can promise you the impossible, and massage their egos at the expense of everyone and everything on the planet.
Earth is FUBARED already but the only way to reverse any doom is to stop putting more people on it at the rate we are.
If you don’t agree please say why, cos I’m dying to know what the alternative is.
Cut consumption.
Putting the blame on population shifts the blame to the developing world.
Average American produces 16 tonnes of CO2 per year, average person in Vietnam produces 1.8.
Indonesia do a lot of burning and causing environmental problems - hardly anyone seems fussed about that.
Was always going to happen in one way or another.
This is just the latest lurch toward extinction for humans.
When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money
The sick irony is we collectively have the intelligence and means to stop it.
From what I have gathered this isn’t being talked about as an existential threat but a catastrophic threat by mainstream scientist.
The wealthy northern countries won’t suffer that much, it will be the tired hungry masses of the global south - who were not the ones contributing to the vast majority of environmental impact.
Blaming population is the opening salvo by elements of western society to dehumanise those who will become environmental refugees. Migration fears will stoke people to blame those from developing equatorial regions for climate change so that they can paint them as the undeserving poor.
The truth is, is that westerners need to undergo a massive drop in their living standards. But you have seen what even a hilariously mild drop in their living standards does, they elect populists and demagogues.
They’ll elect another Hitler before they agree to lowering their living standards by Reducing their carbon footprints 80 percent.
Interesting take on the fires from Prof John Lloyd, Plant Ecophysicologist worked for 25+ years in Amazon and professor at Imperial College London on Radio Scotland here at 1hr.14min 30 in . Not to say he is right/wrong but he puts it into perspective against all the inflammatory headlines out there, any destruction of the rain forest is of course to be avoided at all cost.
Other nations can incentive the Brazilian people and farmers to keep the forest.
Make it more profitable to maintain it that to cut it down for beef production.
This is a solution for much of the worlds remaining wild regions. It works but it needs global commitment to work on a big scale like the Amazon.
So it's probably doomed...
Credit to you blisterman, most Tories would be afraid to discuss their secret belief in colonialism, but you’ve taken the bull by the horns here. Why don’t we just go over there and take charge, show these black and brown people how to run their country?
Funny, personally I never noticed skin colour...
fires are “close to average” when looking over the past 15 years
Https://www.spartareport.com/2019/08/whats-the-real-story-behind-the-current-amazon-forest-fires/
Maybe in the uk we should be turning over the huge swathes of our countryside, nominally given over to bracken and heather production
Wat! You know bracken is officially a pest and is systematically sprayed with weed killer. The only place it grows is where it is literally impossible to farm so not worth bothering with.
Heather suffers a worse fate of burning and all that will grow in it's place is the poorest quality grass for raggerty sheep.
There is a reason moorland is called severely disadvantaged and less favoured area.
NITRATEIST!
I was being facetious there.
Apologies for any misunderstanding.
Bracken may be classed as a pest, but after having a look on YouTube at any 'outdoors' videos, there's still a hell of a lot of bracken about.
With lottery funding it could be replaced with hemp.
I don't know how much CO2 bracken pulls out of the atmosphere but I do know that its;
A) a carcinogen.
B) a magnet for ticks.
C) not great for biodiversity.
Or maybe the bracken could be replaced with bamboo.
Hemp appeals to me because;
A) the seeds could be turned into pigfeed.
B) the hempseeds would make nice food for our native bird population.
C) wouldn't the hemp plants flowers support our nations aggreived bee population?
D) the hemp plants grow so high that the leafy parts are out of the way of animals (ticks)/ people, casually brushing past.
But are the swathes of heather and bracken not more due to cutting the trees down to allow sheep farming, amongst other things? Now we're left with almost useless land.
Now the forest, in the Highlands, can't return thanks to deer, sheep, and the shooting estates.
These vast swathes of bracken could be reforested, but that would take time.
Hemp grows really quickly (reaches maturity, about 20 feet high, 4 times a year).
Not only would hemp help eradicate bracken, simply by towering over it and stealing the light, but it would replenish the soil.
Now, if only we could genetically modify the grazing animals to digest bracken...🙃
a wasteland would require some kind of apocalypse.
I can't be the only person who considers wiping out the rainforests somewhat apocalyptical.