[Closed] Suicide Squad

Going tonight 😀

After watching the trailer...

I really want this to be good. However not wanting this to turn into a marvel vs dc debate, the whole dc movie universe seems rushed and trying to play catch up, the feel of their whole universe is stuck in the Christopher Nolan take on batman whereas marvel have a master plan and keep hitting the bullseye even tho in theory dc has the more grown up characters..

Looks ace from the trailers, but the reviews don't fill me with confidence I'm afraid.

I really want this to be good. However not wanting this to turn into a marvel vs dc debate, the whole dc movie universe seems rushed and trying to play catch up, the feel of their whole universe is stuck in the Christopher Nolan take on batman whereas marvel have a master plan and keep hitting the bullseye even tho in theory dc has the more grown up characters..

I prefer the DC universe, but will be the first to admit the movies of late have been trash. Even the animated stuff has gone off the boil of late with Batman: The Killing Joke being a massive let down.

Oh great, another film about superheroessszzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

Hopefully it'll have some good gunfight and car chaseszzzzzzzzzzzzz......

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But you still took time to post. 😀 Reviews haven't been good and hearing how Leto "prepared" for the role has reaffirmed my belief in him being a fud. Still going tomorrow night mind.

Cougar

"I've not seen it, but I know all about it and feel qualified to comment."

AKA the Ghostbusters Reboot Law.

Cougar

Looks ace from the trailers,

Ah right, so it's ok to formulate an opinion of a film you haven't seen from a trailer but only so long as it's positive?

But if you use, oh I dunno, logic and look at the director's train wreck of a career you're a 50 year old misogynist living in his mothers basement or something?

Is that about right

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Ah right, so it's ok to formulate an opinion of a film you haven't seen from a trailer but only so long as it's positive?

If you can't see a difference between "it looks good / bad from the trailers" and "I haven't seen it but somehow I intrinsically know it's terrible and am going to boycott it, my childhood is ruined" then I'm probably not going to be able to explain it to you any clearer.

But let me try just for the hard of thinking. I was passing comment on the trailer, and on the reviews I've read, not the film I haven't seen. Trailers positive, reviews negative. Capiche?

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I'd say it looks utterly shite from any angle, trailer or otherwise. And maybe it's an age thing, but at 43, I just can't get excited about 'Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn'...

Now if I were 12, maybe I just might.

but at 43, I just can't get excited

Oh Lodders you are a one, no interest in it but with enough knowledge about it to make comments on the characters and who they may appeal to.

You cheeky scouse scamp x

I recon it'd be better if they all just did as the title implied and killed themselves in the opening scene of the film and then the rest of the film featured a discussion about how ****ing boring 90% of these superheroessszzzzzzzzzzzzzz films are.

Ok we get it you don't like this kind of film 😆 vive le difference

Cougar

But let me try just for the hard of thinking. I was passing comment on the trailer, and on the reviews I've read, not the film I haven't seen. Trailers positive, reviews negative. Capiche?

Just to clarify, I have no emotional investment in the franchise or the characters whatsoever. My "childhood" is not ruined. However it's possible to make an educate guess about a films quality based on the track record of the people involved, the studio responsible and promotional material.

It's entirely possible for good directors to make bad films, they get lazy or lose drive. It's almost impossible and unprecedented for a hack to make something great. So if you look at David Ayer's portfolio, which is just littered with by the numbers, predictable generic shite that confuses violence and macho talk for plot and character development you can see that's his thing and that's about the limit of his range.

Then look at the studio involved and look at what they did with Man of Steel or Batman vs Superman, or look at the fact that Zack Snyder and his wife are executive producers...

Then look at the production design. The complete lack of imagination, style or clarity. Even something as simple as the Joker having "ha ha ha" tattooed on him.

So, if that wasn't enough to make an educated guess as to the potential quality of the film you have the trailer, which, dear god is just an awful, predictable contrived attempt to cram in "cool shit".

So, for the mentally dull, what I'm trying to say is that cine-literate people can make educated guesses and, as it turns out, be correct. Shocker.

it's possible to make an educate guess about a films quality based on the track record of the people involved, the studio responsible and promotional material.

It's possible to make a guess based on available evidence. To wit, trailers and reviews, and of course the other stuff you've mentioned.

It's not possible, or rather it is possible but if you do you're an idiot, to dismiss (or conversely, rave) about a film you haven't seen. Because, y'know, you haven't seen it. It can look good, it can appear bad, but it cannot [i]be[/i] good or bad until you've judged it for yourself in its entirety. That was the point I was making in the Ghostbusters discussion.

See the difference? Or are you here for the full half hour?

So, for the mentally dull, what I'm trying to say is that cine-literate people can make educated guesses and, as it turns out, be correct. Shocker.

Please dont sit next to me in the cinema - this is not some deep moving piece its for people who like things blowing up and stoopid stuff

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*snort*

Could be worse, at least I get to be Batman.

Cougar - Moderator

It's not possible, or rather it is possible but if you do you're an idiot, to dismiss (or conversely, rave) about a film you haven't seen. Because, y'know, you haven't seen it. It can look good, it can appear bad, but it cannot be good or bad until you've judged it for yourself in its entirety. That was the point I was making in the Ghostbusters discussion.

See the difference? Or are you here for the full half hour?

You must imagine that films are formed in a perfect vacuum and are filled with unlimited potential right up until the moment they are released, at which point they somehow spoil.

If it was announced tomorrow that Goodfellas was to be remade by the entire cast and crew of Hollyoaks people would be aghast because they would know the assembled talent don't have the skills to do it justice. Right? Or is that something an idiot would say?

Oh and on the subject of the Ghostbusters remake, fans of the original did voice their discontent when the all female cast was announced (because the original featured four men). But the main tidal wave of negativity came after the trailer was released. Then Sony systematically removed constructive criticism in the comments which stated that the trailer was not funny, but they left in comments which were misogynist or even racist and used this as part of the promotional material for the film.

The cast went on a pr tour and used the worst of the comments as a basis to create a fake feminist vs misogynist narrative which was perpetuated online and it got to the point where reputable film critics gave positive reviews of the film, despite being highly critical of it, presumably out of fear of being labeled a woman hating racist.

cine-literate people

probably don't go to superhero films to be surprised by the plot revelations, character motivation and development, or use of cinematography tbf...

Not picking any sides, but should we just settle for less as it's a superhero movie?

Why can't it blow shit up, but have good narrative, cinematography etc.

nickc - Member

cine-literate people

probably don't go to superhero films to be surprised by the plot revelations, character motivation and development, or use of cinematography tbf...

I think the Nolan Batman ticks all those boxes.

Nolans batman would have been even better if it didn't have batman in the middle of it.

The flaw in your entire argument there is, by all accounts (I haven't seen it yet, ironically, so can't opine personally) the new Ghostbusters movie is reported to be actually very good.

Which, y'know, is the point. Everyone "knew" - ie, assumed, jumped to conclusions about it - and that knowledge ultimately proved false. Maybe the cast of Hollyoaks could actually do a decent job of Goodfellas; I very much doubt it of course, and it's fair to say that it's [i]unlikely[/i] to be any good, or that you've no intention of watching it as it doesn't appeal. But to jump up and down going "zomg it's shit eleventyone" about a film you've never watched is simply wooly thinking. I've seen plenty of films that haven't lived up to expectations, and plenty more still that have surprisingly surpassed them.

Is that why you're so determined to have this argument, did I wrong you on the previous thread? You seem very keen to pick me up on a comment from weeks ago that I'd forgotten I'd even written and determined to misrepresent what I'm saying. It's a bit bizarre if I'm honest.

As for what Sony did or didn't do, that's just a non sequitur. It's shoddy practice sure, but it has zero impact on whether a film's any good or not.

Anyway, whatever, I don't really care. You either get where I'm coming from or you don't, I'm not arguing any further.

Was looking forward to it,

First trailer looked silly fun,

Second one put me off a bit once I saw Batman was going to be in it.

First Pro reviews were somewhere between mediocre and appalling, not the end of the world, pro reviewers are notoriously bad at reviewing silly films.

First real people reviews haven't been good, the Comic Book Fanbois (depending on what side of the fence they sit) seem to love it, but the sort of stuff they like is the sort of stuff I hate - little nods to previous films I probably haven't seen, comics I haven't read and the usual twisted morality tales - it's okay to kill dozens if not hundreds of faceless 'henchmen' but they're all suppose to be torn apart by some internal moral dilemma or something, it's puerile.

Non Comic book fans haven't really liked it, like that Batman Superman film the story doesn't make any sense, and it seems rather than the standalone film it looked like in the first trailer, it's a continuation of that.

I'm going to wait till Bluray, or possibly just Netflix, it's my own falt, I don't like comic book films, for me it was done to death 10 years ago, but at least then they stood up as their own thing, nowadays they all have to be linked together leaving the causal viewer lost, and confronted but people (or aliens, I forget which) acting in a completely odd way, because it pushes the 'plot' forward, but I let the first trailer make me think that this wasn't like the others, it was more original, seems it's just more of the same with Margot Robbie's wonderful arse, a great soundtrack and lots, and lot and lots of expensive hype.

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Shirley thats the point P-Jay.
£8 to watch Margot's wonderful arse in HD on a 100ft wide screen 😈

Cougar

The flaw in your entire argument there is, by all accounts (I haven't seen it yet, ironically, so can't opine personally) the new Ghostbusters movie is reported to be actually very good.
Gfff

An average of 6.4/10 on Rotten Tomatoes, and even at that virtually every review I've seen laments the pathetic obvious jokes, fake looking cgi ghosts, lack of any coherent plot etc but praise it for having funny women in it. I haven't seen it either. But reading between the lines it sounds like a mess.

Maybe the cast of Hollyoaks could actually do a decent job of Goodfellas; I very much doubt it of course, and it's fair to say that it's unlikely to be any good, or that you've no intention of watching it as it doesn't appeal. But to jump up and down going "zomg it's shit eleventyone" about a film you've never watched is simply wooly thinking.

Again, I made an educated guess based on the previous work of the key contibutors. That's all. That's not jumping up and down shouting.

Is that why you're so determined to have this argument, did I wrong you on the previous thread? You seem very keen to pick me up on a comment from weeks ago that I'd forgotten I'd even written and determined to misrepresent what I'm saying. It's a bit bizarre if I'm honest.

You don't see any irony in the fact you've stated it "looks ace" based on the trailer on more than one occasion but when I (correctly) predicted it would be crap going by the track records of the key contributors I was using "Ghost busters law", ie the reaction of 50 year old obese virgins living with their mothers, if the cast of Ghostbusters is to be believed.

The trailer should look amazing. It's a 2hr $150millon dollar film cut down to it's best 2 minutes. Even then it falls flat. It's a dull trailer that tries to replicate the beats of other quirky trailers for succesful offbeat films but fails.

But, yes I'm just some creepy weirdo stalking you so my point is invalid.

She looks like the redneck lady in My name is Earl. 😀

No but they can go to be entertained. Or not.

In many ways this is the failure of reviewing films. There's objective criticisms that can be fairly levelled at any film, it's lighting, it's camera angles, and so on. but the subjective measure of "entertainment" is just that, I don't care if Mark Kermode* "likes" a film, or not, I can make my own mind up about that.

*insert reviewer of choice

She looks like the redneck lady in My name is Earl

I have seen the trailer and know nothing else about this film but on the basis of the comment above it's 10/10 from me.

So ...er.....was the film any good then??....coz me and my son loved the trailer with the queen music

We'll never know.

Anyway, whatever, I don't really care.

As that was the opening gambit of the fifth paragraph of your lengthy post you'll forgive me for doubting you.

🙂

Anyone else seen the justice league movie trailer? Only picked up on it yesterday.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fIHH5-HVS9o

Thought the Nolan/Bale batmans were tosh, much preferred Dawn of Justice (although Eisenberg was shit)

Age of Ultron and X-Men Apocalypse were okay but Civil War was dull dull dull.

Guardians of the Galaxy and Deadpool were great.

Looking forward to Wonder Woman and Suicide Squad.

anyone watched it yet?

Just back from the cinema. Firstly, it's not as bad as a lot of the reviews are saying. However, it's not as good as the trailers made me think it was going to be.

It definitely had it's moments and some great characters but the pacing felt off. It could have rattled along nicely using the (pretty good) soundtrack to tie everything together but it lurched from set piece to set piece in an awkward manner.

Go see it. Or not.

So why was that a 15 cert? The girls in the audience seemed to like HQ, laughing at every line she said even if it wasn't funny.

I went to watch it with a couple of mates last night. Barra cinema, 3D, Dolby surround; the works.

We all agreed it was the worst film we'd ever seen. Don't waste your time or money.

Can't be as bad as Rugsuckers from Mars...

Yeah, but you get to watch a hot lady walking around in her pants. That is the essential marketing appeal of this film, no?

Yay! just got back from seeing it with my kid. Really enjoyed it, pretty funny, a bit mental, much much better than Batman v Superman. Saw it for free with Lloyds vouchers but wouldn't have minded paying for that one at all.
The end was silly, but they ALWAYS are in superhero films, so to be expected.
davidtaylforth and his buds can't have seen many films really. And obviously not the aforementioned last Batman film!
Recommended, if only for Harley's pants 🙂

Was the only thing on at a suitable time last night, kids were at grandparents, so we went.

Absolutely not my cup of tea, have no interest in superheros, plot won't win any Oscars, but blowing stuff up while wearing your skimpys made it a bearable couple of hours.

Thought the Nolan/Bale batmans were tosh, much preferred Dawn of Justice

😯 Blimey.

Just back from 3D viewing + I've read all the comics = could of been worse but not a patch on 'Deadpool'
3D not worth it and my biggest criticism is that 'dark lighting ? atmospheric'

saw it last night with the wife and both thought it was much better than we expected.

Visually there's a lot to like - plot wise not so much.

Personally I hated the enchantresses voice - hadn't thought that something like that could almost ruin a cinema experience until she started talking and I though Killer Croc needed to be a bigger actor (head was great - body too puny).

Margot is smokin hot, and Waller is a proper mentalist - someone who needs to be in more DC films from now on.

Overall it was a lot of fun (but should've been more like deadpool)

Personally I hated the enchantresses voice

I thought it was perfect - if the director had asked for overblown Joanna Lumley

[url= http://newsthump.com/2016/08/08/hollywood-screenwriters-announce-theyve-finished-writing-the-script-to-suicide-squad/ ]Newsthump[/url] hit the nail on the head for me. Enjoyed it overall but mainly for the soundtrack and the look of it. Plot was a bit pants and all over the place.

Oh yeah, soundtrack - some brilliant choons on there, maybe that was why I enjoyed it so much. 🙂
I don't take my kid to superhero films expecting a decent plot. They're all pretty much the flippin same plot-wise!

well if that's what he asked for jonv - she nailed it

It just didn't work for me

I went in with low expectations but I loved it. It was a lot of fun and there were a lot of explosions. Perfect entertainment.

Jeeeeesus, that Justice League trailer looks dour.

Gal Gadot though... 😀

Can't be as bad as Rugsuckers from Mars...

that's kinda on a par with jesus christ vampire hunter..;-)

I feel like i've been pranked. There's no way that can be a real movie a major studio would release to the public. Genuinely one of the worst i've seen in a while. Horrendous dialogue, just a clunky rhythm, goes from zero to 100 with hardly any set up or explanation. And why the **** can't Holywood write women, or minorities without resorting to shit stereotypes, especially when it comes to minorities dialogue "aw shawty" etc. ****ing rubbish. There were actually some decent scenes and it could have been decent if not excellent. I was actually pissing myself laughing a couple of times during some of the big serious scenes. There's a bit where the sorcerer women is casting some major spell and she looks like a 40 something rhythmless Scottish housewife trying belly dancing for the first time pissed at a resort holiday in Egypt. Hilarious.

I will say the soundtrack was good.

Watched it last night with the wife and we both really enjoyed it. All those whinging about plot etc, have you actually watched any other comic based film? They all have plot holes you could drive a bus through. It's sit back, disengage brain and enjoy the action film. It's not going to win an Oscar!

craigxxl

All those whinging about plot etc, have you actually watched any other comic based film? They all have plot holes you could drive a bus through.

Yeah, whenever I've decided to spend hard earned cash on a trip to the cinema to see a film I set aside any expectations of quality if the film is based on a comic book 🙄

There are good films and bad films. The source material isn't a caveat. If you went to see a film based on a short story would it be acceptable if it was bad? I don't think so. How about an original idea? I mean someone just thought something up, surely it's silly to expect anything good right?

We knew what type of film we were going to watch and enjoyed it. Not many original ideas out there when they are based on a comic as they need to be based on the original characters. Really how much detail do you want in a 2 hour film with individual characters that have grown over 100's of comics. A lot of that detail will be on the cutting floor to make the film watchable. If you don't like what is on then don't go to the cinema, read a book or comic instead that can go into the detail.

craigxxl

We knew what type of film we were going to watch and enjoyed it. Not many original ideas out there when they are based on a comic as they need to be based on the original characters. Really how much detail do you want in a 2 hour film with individual characters that have grown over 100's of comics. A lot of that detail will be on the cutting floor to make the film watchable. If you don't like what is on then don't go to the cinema, read a book or comic instead that can go into the detail.

Nothing you've said there makes any sense. I'll say again, there are good films and bad films. The source material isn't a caveat.

There's no formal prerequisite for comic book films to pour over any character in massive detail or explore the history of the comic books. But there are benchmark ensemble action films that establish characters to the point where you understand something about them, where they come from, their motivations and how those motivations effect their actions and by extension the plot.

Dirty Dozen, Great Escape, Inglorious Basterds, Seven Samurai etc established a pretty tried and true template for films like this.

All of those films at least 2 and half long and Seven Samurai over 3 and half hours gives a lot of time to build characters and plot. Most people will not sit for that length of time for an action film and prefer the 2 hours film length of Suicide Squad which the studios know and are reluctant to push. When these films are this popular it also always for an extra screening which helps them in the opening weekend turnover figures competition.

Trufact. That's why Lord of the Rings tanked at the box office.

Craigxxl none of what you have said explains the really, really bad dialogue.

Was it really that bad for [i]comic book[/i] based action film? What dialogue actually offends you?

craigxxl

All of those films at least 2 and half long and Seven Samurai over 3 and half hours gives a lot of time to build characters and plot. Most people will not sit for that length of time for an action film and prefer the 2 hours film length of Suicide Squad which the studios know and are reluctant to push. When these films are this popular it also always for an extra screening which helps them in the opening weekend turnover figures competition.

Avengers - 2hrs 23mins. Avengers 2 - 2hrs 22 mins. Man of Steel - 2hrs 28.
Batman v Superman 3hrs 3. Batman Begins 2hrs 20. Dark Knight Rises - 2hrs 45 mins....

What was your point?

So, are we going to see an end to the superhero plot anytime soon. Seeing as people are so sick of it?

-Hero/hero group is formed
-Baddie does bad stuff (way beyond the power of any one to stop) (CGI-fest)
-Superhero has doubts/love interest
-Baddie and superhero tangle in massive finale (whereby the baddie [i]always[/i] forgets some of their powers and gets into a punch-up)
-Superhero wins
-The end
-(or is it...)

If I go to a superhero film and get anything different, then I'll be seriously amazed.

[i] I'll say again, there are good films and bad films. [/i]

Surely they are simply films you like and films you don't like?

Have you seen any of those films or even Suicide Squad? The ones that you have listed 4 possible 5 should have been shortened as the extra time only added to arse ache and not the plot.

DezB

I'll say again, there are good films and bad films.

Surely they are simply films you like and films you don't like?

Leaving aside my own personal preferences, we do have professional critics and aggregator sites like Rotten Tomatoes (though far from perfect).

Time is usually the best judge. When the marketing hype and internet chatter has died off do people still regard it as a good film in 10,20,30,50 years time.

craigxxl

Have you seen any of those films or even Suicide Squad? The ones that you have listed 4 possible 5 should have been shortened as the extra time only added to arse ache and not the plot.

Your point was that comic book movies can't be long and it was not financially viable. I wasn't chosing them as examples of good films, merely examples of very long, but incredibly lucrative films to counter your irrelevant point that "people won't sit through an action movie that long" and "studios know this and cut films accordingly".

[i]Time is usually the best judge. When the marketing hype and internet chatter has died off do people still regard it as a good film in 10,20,30,50 years time.[/i]

Hmm, I don't think so...
What about all the "I've never seen The Godfather" folk on here? Cos it's a bad film?
And rottentomatoes/professional critics/whatever - all just opinions. Many of which I disagree with. Could name many examples!

Stanley Kubrick went from the dawn of humanity to alien transcendance in less than three hours. Most of the films above are 2.3 hours of people/robots hitting each other.

"Cutting room", [i]please[/i].

Jimjam, I'll watch what entertains me just like the others did who filled the cinema alongside me last night. Strangely they all seemed to enjoy it too which is bizarre as someone who hasn't seen it wants to tell me how bad it was 😯

DezB

Hmm, I don't think so...

Fine Dez. Go and compile your own top 50 films list.

craigxxl

Jimjam, I'll watch what entertains me just like the others did who filled the cinema alongside me last night. Strangely they all seemed to enjoy it too which is bizarre as someone who hasn't seen it wants to tell me how bad it was

I have seen it. By all means watch what you want, but if you're going to justify it "I knew what to expect" is not any kind of qualifier or objective analysis. Same for "it's a comic book film".

At no point have I said you shouldn't have watched that, or you can't like that. I'm commenting on your justifications as to why it was good which to me seems like saying "I went to a gig last night, everyone said the band was shit but I was drunk so it was awesome".

Oh dear God, some people liked Suicide Squad some don't like it, some people are cine literate, some people arent, some people like to think they are. Some people like different genres, some people like to be challenged by films some people just want to sit down for a couple of hours and be entertained.

Everyone likes different stuff, what are we bickering about?

Whether it's any good.

It's entirely possible to make a blockbuster about superheroes that is smart and treats the audience as smart [or at least doesn't offer them idiot-grade content].

By the sound of it, this is neither - hence the discussion.