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Suella didn't do her homework again.
Oh dear.
Move to extend police protest powers ruled unlawful
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-69043611
So once again she either
a) sketched a policy out on the back of a fag packet and didn’t take any advice on whether it was legal or not
or
b) sketched a policy out on the back of a fag packet and ignored the advice on whether it was legal or not
I’m sure she’ll pop up on Twitter soon to once again blame the tofu-eating wokerati for her latest ****-wittery
It's almost as if she's not a very good lawyer?
I dont think she or the government we're even concerned about it being viable in law. It was the usual culture war shit, so it was only important for the attempt (now appeal) to make the headlines.
They are absolutely and irretrievably out of ideas
Surely they will just change the laws again to make it lawful?
It was the usual culture war shit, so it was only important for the attempt (now appeal) to make the headlines.
Yeah plus it "worked" for a few months so thats a win for them. Normally they dont have stuff working for a few days.
More ‘government by journalist’. Writing tomorrow’s headlines and pretending it’s a policy.
Do they actually DO anything? Other than announce ‘policies’ that crash and burn on first contact with reality and are quietly dropped?
They’ve spent at least half a billion and committed god knows how much Parliamentary time to Rwanda, a stupid idea dreamt up by Boris to get himself out of another self-inflicted car crash. Every single person (apart from the complete morons) knows it’s ridiculous and nonsensical and won’t work, but on they plough, chucking more millions onto the fire
Just heard that the government has said "some protests are becoming a threat to our democracy."
What the actual?
Just heard that the government has said “some protests are becoming a threat to our democracy.”
What the actual
Rishi made a big speech on it a few weeks ago. This is the party that wants to remove the UK from the ECHR remember. And it’s ****all to do with Rwanda. They just want to be able to put a stop to everything they don’t like
Just heard that the government has said “some protests are becoming a threat to our democracy.”
What the actual?
Which protests would those be? I’ve yet to see any protests turn into actual armed insurrection. Unless I nodded off and missed it… 🤔
What’s the maximum number of days until we can be rid of these tossers?
251 days, absolute latest he can go is technically is the 28th of January 2025. I reckon it'll be October though. I think we're inside the last 200 days of this Tory government.
It’s almost as if she’s not a very good lawyer?
She's a great lawyer. Its the law thats broken - thats why she's in government trying to fix the law! She must be a great lawyer, she's a KC - and those aren't given out to just anybody. You have to earn it by being recognised by other really good lawyers, or being mates with the PM when he's desperate for a new AG/SG.
Apologies if this has already been posted, I haven't read the whole thread. It's new to me though and even if it has, it probably deserves another outing!
“What the Progress flag says to me is one monstrous thing: that I was a member of a government that presided over the mutilation of children in our hospitals and from our schools,”
Good god. She is pretty vile.
In laws voted for her in her constituency last week and it's fair to say my FiL has lost his shit in recent days. Apparently "they" are coming for us now and that Britain won't be recognisable in 6 months now sane people like Braverman are no longer in a position to defend us. That we (his daughter and I - the only members of his family who did not vote tory or reform) and everyone like us won't realise our stupidity until it's too late.
That demographic is shrinking hard, partly thanks to the decisions taken in the last 14 years. Another five years and the electoral landscape could be starting to look different.
We just have to stop the hate recruitment at the other end of the age spectrum. Talk to your kids, folks, god knows what they're being exposed to online.
I'd be interested to know what her constituents who just (completely inexplicably) re-elected her think about her not bothering with the opening of parliament, but instead jetting off to Washington to speak to an audience of far-right, conspiracy-theory-peddling nutjobs?
It shows where her priorities lie
poly
Free Member
Convert – was he always a bit of an extremist or has he been indoctrinated more recently?
GB News is responsible for radicalising a lot of people imo. In fact, that's it's purpose.
I look at it occasionally to get to get to know the enemy. It's a low budget copy of Fox, constantly sewing endless fear and victimhood.
I honestly can't watch more than 10 minutes then I'm done.
Convert – was he always a bit of an extremist or has he been indoctrinated more recently?
No...this has come since the Brexit vote, just bubbling away under the surface. Always been a DM reader. And always at the stupid end of normal. Very much a black and white thinker - intellectually and emotionally unable to cope with the concept of grey. Always been very immature and unable to handle people disagreeing with him and taking it very personally. As is probably the case with a lot of families he ended up Facebook friends with a few of our friends who I'd describe as much more liberal/left of centre and younger. The in-laws were very hurt apparently by the shares and posts from our friends they saw about brexit voters being stupid. The gammon accusations etc.
As a result of the above I'd say he's probably felt rejected from a large section of society, that he'd now label as woke. He's be completely unable to tell you what woke meant but it's a slur to counteract gammon I guess. Mrs C is the first graduate in their family and he'd probably label all graduates as 'woke' now and people with education beyond his (CSE) as stuck up. He'll have been happily living in his echo chamber of right thinking oldies, feasting on the DM and slowly maturing to what he is today. I'd say there is a reasonable likelihood we (and by that I mean the frustrated remain voting left of centre, possibly degree educated) played a part in making these people by being a but too truthful in our opinions if people like him.
edit - and no, he's not a GB news viewer. That'd mean him getting his head around non terrestrial tv. He's still using his VHS to record stuff and freeview is not in his hitting zone.
Sad for your partner. The constant poison that the DM has dripped into British life is a betrayal of the 'British values' they claim to espouse.
Not the biggest fan of Starmer's Labour, but the difference between the deranged, hysterical rhetorical of the likes of Braverman compared to the sober, reconciled tone of the new administration is not only fills me with hope, but acutely renders the nightmare that this women used to be our home secretary.
Apart from the Orwellian image, I noticed the conference in London was hardly a sellout event.
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The in-laws were very hurt apparently by the shares and posts from our friends they saw about brexit voters being stupid. The gammon accusations etc.
As a result of the above I’d say he’s probably felt rejected from a large section of society, that he’d now label as woke. He’s be completely unable to tell you what woke meant but it’s a slur to counteract gammon I guess
Which possibly explains an awful lot of the Reform vote
Apparently “they” are coming for us now and that Britain won’t be recognisable in 6 months
My greek immigrant friend who voted for Brexit and Johnson then promptly retired to Cyprus so he didn’t have to live in the fallout is constantly trying to convince us we are midway through a Muslim invasion and it won’t be very long before “they” are the law / dominant force in the UK.
Or Turkish delight
GB News is responsible for radicalising a lot of people imo. In fact, that’s its purpose.
I don’t even know where to find GB news - I see the odd clip people post online but I’ve never watched it other that that. Something makes them go looking for this stuff.
Badenoch is simply having a dig at a political rival. The election result was far better for the Tories than just about every pollster predicted, Badenoch herself was lucky to win her seat - she wouldn't have done if the pollsters had been right.
Far from having nervous breakdown Braverman knows exactly what she is doing. Like Nigel Farage she shares a talent for drawing attention to herself and getting people to talk about her.
The only thread dedicated to a politician currently active on stw is this one about her. Despite the fact that she is for all intents and purposes just an inconsequential backbencher of an opposition party, she's not even a party leader.
Making outrageous comments and winding up lefties and liberals is what gets her noticed, and what her supporters love about her. And I am not sure there is anyone who does it better.
I have no idea if it will help her to secure her goals but as sure as hell her intellect and powers of reasoned persuasion won't, a point that no doubt she is only too aware of.
Well her former supporters are increasingly backing Jenrick so party leadership might be unattainable for her but I would imagine that she will want a top job if the right-wing secure the leadership.
And yeah you are probably right - if the Tories move more leftward, which is likely imo, I could see her defecting to Reform UK. Not necessarily for ideological reasons but because she would not have a role in a less right-wing Tory Party
A greek Cypriot, you say is he aware of the Turkish Cypriot population?
He moans about that too, but just seems to take great delight in telling how shit the UK has become since he helped us into the situation.
Krypton..what was it about white Christians that he hated so much that he voted to stop them coming to this country?
He’s just a curmudgeon Zippy, he’s currently moaning about the +35 degree temps in Cyprus.
And you're still friends with him why?
A greek Cypriot, you say is he aware of the Turkish Cypriot population?
To be fair, Cyprus is somewhere it's not just mad conspiracy theory that "we are being invaded and they want to replace us all with Muslims"!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_settlers_in_Northern_Cyprus
As an aside, I was on LinkedIn yesterday and some geezer (who according to this profile has lived and worked in the UK for 20+ years, if he wasn't born here) was saying "we Indians can't abide all this woke stuff, hopefully Nigel and Tommy will sort us all out soon enough". :scratch:
saying “we Indians can’t abide all this woke stuff, hopefully Nigel and Tommy will sort us all out soon enough”.
I don't think anyone who has been following this Suella Braverman thread will be surprised by such a comment.
Braverman was actually sacked from the Cabinet for criticising the Met Police and claiming that they were biased against far-right protesters.
She was appalled that the Met Police were arresting far-right thugs in Yaxley-Lennon's pub-crawling club, and not arresting protesters calling for a ceasefire.
that is brililant
saying “we Indians can’t abide all this woke stuff, hopefully Nigel and Tommy will sort us all out soon enough”.
I don’t think anyone who has been following this Suella Braverman thread will be surprised by such a comment.
Anyone paying attention to Indian politics will know Modi’s Hindu nationalism is extreme right wing, like Trump’s MAGA Cult and most Nationalist Christians in America, Putin in Russia, and factions in Germany with AfD, France, Hungary…
With all of them, it’s the ‘fear of the other’, ‘ ‘they’ are taking over our country…’, etc.
hopefully Nigel and Tommy will sort us all out soon enough”.
That’s an interesting turn of phrase… *shocked Picachu face*
All the rumours are that Cruella is about to defect to Reform in a hissy fit because she’s no longer the favourite for the leadership and the woman who is has come out and said that she’s mental!
Was the fact that she's mental meant to be a secret then?
binners
Full Member
All the rumours are that Cruella is about to defect to Reform in a hissy fit because she’s no longer the favourite for the leadership and the woman who is has come out and said that she’s mental!
Lol, going to be great watching the Tories continue to implode.
Finally, finally, when they act like this, it's only themselves that they harm, not the entire country!
Was the fact that she’s mental meant to be a secret then?
Well it was Kemi Badanoch who pointed it out, so pots and kettles and all that
It all seems a bit ‘calm before the storm’ with the Tories at the moment. Can’t be long before the real rats-in-a-sack civil war starts
It'll be funny if she does defect - I suspect the good gammonish folk of Fareham think they're above such overt nastiness as that, though they're probably secret fans of all the sentiment. Much clutching of pearls
'pots and kettles....' ho ho, very good.
Braverman might be an unpleasant and callous person, but I doubt that she has a mental illness or that she is particularly stupid.
To defect to Reform under the present conditions would be daft. The Tories did better in the general election than anyone expected, the gap between Reform UK and the Tories is as big as the gap between the Tories and Labour.
Braverman has a fairly safe Tory seat which will probably keep her in Parliament for as long as she likes. Defecting to Reform UK would very likely reduce her Parliamentary career to no more than another five years.
The only way I can see Braverman defecting to Reform UK is if she has decided that she doesn't want to stand next general election.
Well it was Kemi Badanoch who pointed it out, so pots and kettles
That’s a potentially insensitive choice of phrase, that we could do without.
That’s a potentially insensitive choice of phrase, that we could do without.
Never thought of it in those terms. Noted
It all seems a bit ‘calm before the storm’ with the Tories at the moment. Can’t be long before the real rats-in-a-sack civil war starts
It seems that they haven't even worked out how or when to elect a new leader. That's the starting gun I'm looking forward to. It's going to be hugely entertaining!
It seems that they haven’t even worked out how or when to elect a new leader. That’s the starting gun I’m looking forward to. It’s going to be hugely entertaining!
Yeah...they are no longer in Government (thank chuff), and I think Rishi is still technically leader? who cares?.. it will be fun to watch them eat themselves whilst they try to out-facist each other.
That’s a potentially insensitive choice of phrase, that we could do without
Are you actually serious? Really? I can honestly say that what your implying - that it was meant as somehow racist - never even crossed my mind. I meant it as the phrase was intended, regardless of who it applies to.
To think otherwise is just ridiculous. Are there any other perfectly innocent, commonly used phrases that I need to stop using in case those who’ll find a way to take offence at just about anything object to?
Never thought of it in those terms
No, neither did I?
Noted
Why?
Dunno but maybe your homophobic joke yesterday has resulted in people being less likely to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Personally I suspect that it was just an innocent oversight on your part but Bill also seemed to have picked up on the "joke".
And the irony is that a daft blunder like that is precisely the sort of gaff that if it was made by a Tory politician you personally would mercilessly ridicule for being brainless and stupid.
Are you actually serious? Really? I can honestly say that what your implying – that it was meant as somehow racist – never even crossed my mind. I meant it as the phrase was intended, regardless of who it applies to.
Regardless of the intent, the appropriate reaction once pointed out is "sorry".
Regardless of the intent, the appropriate reaction once pointed out is “sorry
No it isn’t. Because there was no intent, so there’s nothing to apologise for.
seriously… read that back to yourself and give your head a wobble.
Its a perfectly innocent use of a commonly used phrase that you would only take offence at if you were specifically looking to do so.
Otherwise it’s just demanding some weird form of self-censorship and is patently absolutely bloody ridiculous
Have a word with yourself
No it isn’t. Because there was no intent
Intention is not the issue. As kryton very tactfully pointed out : That’s a "potentially" insensitive choice of phrase. Are you seriously suggesting that it doesn't have the potential to be seen as a little dig at the colour of their skin? At least one person thought it was a colour related joke.
Maybe read it again and have a think about all the things that the two women have in common
Well it was Kemi Badanoch who pointed it out, so pots and kettles
Intention is not the issue.
Of course it bloody is! You’re accusing me of being a racist, which I take massive offence at!
At least one person thought it was a colour related joke
Well it wasn’t. It never even crossed my mind that it could be interpreted as such, because why on earth would I make a racist joke FFS! Get a ****ing grip!
From Wikipedia:
The pot calling the kettle black" is a proverbial idiom that may be of Spanish origin, of which English versions began to appear in the first half of the 17th century. It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares, and therefore is an example of psychological projection,[1]or hypocrisy.[2] Use of the expression to discredit or deflect a claim of wrongdoing by attacking the originator of the claim for their own similar behaviour (rather than acknowledging the guilt of both) is the tu quoquelogical fallacy
If you want to read anything into it other than that, then it says a lot more about you than it does about me
Like I said: give your head a wobble
Maybe also note that you’re casually lobbing accusations of racism about on a thread about Suella Braverman. A woman who’s about as racist as they come
I’ve heard that saying since I was a very young child in Ireland where my grand parents had hearth fires which regularly burnt the pots, pans and kettles. The men tended to watch kettle for tea whilst the women would watch the food pots. If one of these utensils got burnt (blackened) then it was a source of ridicule.
Likening it to some racist comment is some stretch.
It never even crossed my mind that it could be interpreted as such
That is where you have a chance to learn. Things change and phrases which were used with no thought years ago can now be seen as insensitive (note - nobody called you a racist).
You can either accept that once someone has pointed it out and let you know or you can just double down on it, up to you.
kerley
Free Member
It never even crossed my mind that it could be interpreted as suchThat is where you have a chance to learn. Things change and phrases which were used with no thought years ago can now be seen as insensitive (note – nobody called you a racist).
You can either accept that once someone has pointed it out and let you know or you can just double down on it, up to you.
Wasn't it you that said that Tory donors incredibly bad comments about Diane Abbott weren't racist though? Apologies if I'm thinking about someone else but I'm fairly sure it was?
I rarely remember individual posts but I was pretty incredulous at the time, hence the memory.
Anyway, the point you make is true, we can all learn, we can all do better and that most certainly includes me too.
Of course it bloody is! You’re accusing me of being a racist, which I take massive offence at!
Calm down young man, have a think about what you said, why someone might struggle with it, then give your own head a wobble, respect their view and move on.
Or shout scream and whine like you normally do. I don't mind really
No it isn’t. Because there was no intent, so there’s nothing to apologise for.
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Its a perfectly innocent use of a commonly used phrase that you would only take offence at if you were specifically looking to do so.
Otherwise it’s just demanding some weird form of self-censorship and is patently absolutely bloody ridiculous
Have a word with yourself
Sorry, but no. One thing I changed my mind about after trying to educate myself in the aftermath of the George Floyd murder is that the intent of the speaker doesn't matter - if it's perceived to be offensive, that's the speaker's issue, not the listener's. Just say sorry and move on.
We do sometimes wrap ourselves up in knots here don't we!
Are far as I can tell, no one has actually taken actual offence. Someone has seen the phrase and thought that others might taken offence (probably those unaware of the etymology of the phrase). And then others pile in at the lack of acknowledgement of the offence that wasn't caused.
It's quite literally feeding ammunition to the true villains of the piece, namely the subject of the actual thread and their merry followers looking for "evidence" of "wokeness" sending the world mad.
Ok so, I didn’t post it with the intention of accusing Binners of racism, just to highlight a potential insensitivity. Depending on how you see things, the fact you deliberately didn’t complete the phrase with the obvious omitted wording could be seen you did that becuase actually you were aware that doing so might be insensitive. Again, I’m not accusing you, it’s a potential perception of written text.
Re Caher’s post, I too was brought up with the same phrase being used almost daily by Cockney grandparents so am well aware of its non rascist originality. However, those were times when overt racism was acceptable in the main and there was little thought to offence caused by intonations to skin colour in general vocabulary.
Times have changed, and it wouldn’t hurt to be sensitive of the context in which you are using the phrase and be aware of the potential for misunderstanding.
It’s quite literally feeding ammunition to the true villains of the piece, namely the subject of the actual thread and their merry followers looking for “evidence” of “wokeness” sending the world mad.
You’re accusing me of being a racist, which I take massive offence at!
Come off it, Binners, you've been happily insulting, provoking and ridiculing others for years on here. Don't act the delicate flower when someone points out that your use of the pot/kettle metaphor in this context could have unintended unpleasant resonance.
Kryton - thats exactly how I read your post - hence "noted" ie I will think about the usage of the phrase
Point of order - This thread should be about being united in condemning the hateful Suella. Division and argument is what she wants. Don't be Suella, be more chill.
Isn’t that sexiest to refer to someone as a “delicate flower” &’post a picture of a female looking slightly startled ? Unintended resonance perhaps?
I think you mean sexist not sexiest 🙂
It's too early for popcorn... Crumpets, anyone?
You’re accusing me of being a racist, which I take massive offence at!
My exact words were :
Personally I suspect that it was just an innocent oversight on your part
It doesn't really sound as if I am accusing you of being a racist does it?
The irony is that you are accusing others of false conclusions!
It’s too early for popcorn… Crumpets, anyone?
Cornflakes are just flat popcorn. Makes you think…
I quote often shorten the term, esp when the kids are squabbling with each other to
”pot, kettle?” Or “Mr pot, say hello to Miss kettle”.
if the origin of the term is due to blackening with soot or more likely that both were made from cast iron & had a blackened coating do we need an updated version so no offence could be applied?
pwrhaps
”it’s like the Gaggua espresso machine calling then Dualit toaster stainless steel”?
Anyway, back on track, doesn’t recent polling put Pritti ahead amongst party members, so we’re likely to see her as leader?
Isn’t that sexiest to refer to someone as a “delicate flower” &’post a picture of a female looking slightly startled ?
I think that it is a reference to binners's endless ridicule of others on here. One of his favourite is to accuse those on the left of him (which is quite a few people) on here of having "soiled their petticoats".
I have no idea where he got that from, it's probably something that he read in a column by Richard Littlejohn, it fits in with Littlejohn's crass "humour"