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Well it does, because tomorrow’s headlines in the Sun, Daily Mail, Express, etc, were supposed be along the lines of “Braverman Calls For The UK To Leave The ECHR”.
She has been robbed of her rallying call, they have stolen her thunder. This will not help her.
Since when has the headline in the Daily Mail had any contact with reality or facts? I wouldn't put it past them to still insist that leaving the ECHR would be the right message to send to the lefty woke judiciary. The focus may be slightly different, but it will still be a Suella rallying call to take back control of our laws/borders etc.
tjagain
Full Member
A fine piece of magical thinking from Johnson<br /><br />The government has the power, under Schedule 3 of the Asylum and Immigration Act 2004, to ask parliament to deem Rwanda a safe country. That has not so far been done and it should now be done – immediately.
As if that would make the slightest difference to our obligations under international law. You can call a cat Rover and put it in a kennel but its still a cat
Well, he's announced that this is exactly what he's going to do. Emergency legislation
More magical thinking.
Indeed. It’s the UK courts that will stop the deportation of asylum seekers, not the ECHR. But that lie could be made to stick… but I doubt Sunak is the man to do that… unless the papers really take it and run with it for a long period of time.
As for simply declaring in law that Rwanda is a safe country… utterly meaningless.
I recall watching TV the day after the brexit vote. It was all political editorial stuff, what would this mean for the country/ Cameron/ johndon/ tory party and so on. One great question asked by Marr or Peston or similar was 'what will the tory party look like, its always been divided on Europe and now the serving pm has lost a referendum on it?' The panel included various past mps....redwood.... Clarke and others. Clarke was sure the party would soon unite behind a new leader, he agreed Europe had always been divisive but was sure the best thing about the tories was their ability to put the party first, to come together and stay in power.
Hahhshahahahahshaaha! They may have clung to power but the show off togetherness we've had since that brexit vote and the possibility they will fracture into a hard right party and a.... don't know what to stand for but we are centre right party, this is going to run and run!
Well, he’s announced that this is exactly what he’s going to do. Emergency legislation
As a talking head on the news has just pointed out, legislation to change the law is one thing, legislation to change the facts is insane.
You can't legislate to make Rwanda safe when all the experts say it isn't. It's like legislating that black is now white.
https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1735686210578792620
If she were still Home Secretary, doubtless a bill to make pranking carry a prison sentence would be rushed through Parliament.
You get to see her receive the award at 10pm tonight on Channel 4's The Last Leg. 😁👍
Oi that's really ****ing insulting 😕
Oi that’s really **** insulting 😕
In the most amusing way possible
She seems to be busy trying to reinvent herself.
Private eye had a story about her being the surprise prize giver at the Political cartoon of the year awards.
Needless to say she seems to not have gone down overly well.
It was a beautiful thing to watch....
Thanks @martinhutch I’ve been going to bed instead of watching Last Leg as it had got a bit repetitive, however, well worth staying up for. I can’t believe they pulled something like that off, we need to spread it far and wide!
Just in case you missed it
Absolutely cringeworthy and yet a joy to watch. She really is spectacularly dim, isn't she?
I'd have thought her klan/advisors might have alerted her to the fact that the boat was a dinghy.
Beautifully done.
Just in case you missed it
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** chef's kiss **
Beautifully done but a missed opportunity!
Id have paid good money to have seen them hand her a gold painted cock and balls similar to the pic on the screen!
I honestly think she wouldn't have realised for a few seconds and those few precious seconds would have been utterly priceless. Priceless!😁
"That's going to go viral..."
Indeed it is 😀
But perhaps most scary it illustrates the lack of critical thought from those around her, what if it hadn't just been two well spoken pranksters?
The whole thing perhaps suggests that all you need if you want to get stood next to a culture war bit hitter, is present like a young Tory...
"That’s going to go viral…”
She said that straight away.
She's clearly not as stupid as some people think.
She’s clearly not as stupid as some people think.
You don't have to be a genius to work out a spoof will be on twitter. What her comment does show is that she is all about image and 'media moments'She didn't show much shock at the underlying assertion did she (i.e. she knows she's a dick).
From what I've read in "Johnson at number ten" she was Dominic Cumming's useful idiot in that she had the qualifications (just!) to become Attorney General without either the ethics to resign when she knew they were going to break the law or the ability to understand that they were going to break the law, or maybe a combination of both.
I think that there's a tendency amongst people who become MPs to think that they're somehow special, and when they get elevated like that, it's much easier for them to believe that it is because they're special. The alternative would be quite bruising to their already fragile ego.
That’s going to go viral…”
She said that straight away.
She’s clearly not as stupid as some people think.
Was that her or one of her people who said that?
I'm with Ernie on this: however stupid you may think Suella (or any other politician is), to get to minister level requires a certain amount of smarts and cunning. Like all of us she's got her blind spots, and she's clearly got pretty crap advisors if she ended up getting pranked like that. But I'm pretty sure if someone set out to prank me, they'd get me in the end.
I'm reminded of what a manager (I believe) said about Madonna back in the day, "a thimble full of talent in a bucket full of ambition".
I’m with Ernie on this
To clarify it was said tongue in cheek, although I don't actually think that she is quite stupid as some people believe she is.
But I wouldn't use her awareness of the very self-evident fact that the prank would go viral as proof!
As this most sublime prank happened 10 minutes from my front door, I am agrieved to have missed seeing it first hand. Also, has it actually gone viral? I haven't seen much exposure really, how big has it gone?
^^I suspect it will be a slow burner as much as anything.
It'll follow her political career and whatever grift she gets upto after that.
Everytime she tweets, it'll be posted... forever basically.
johnjn2000
Full Member
I truly hope so Poopscoop.
In all honestly though, it's her deeds that should keep her awake at night and haunt her career.
...but I'm not seeing that happening so little wins like this will have to do.
Made me laugh - also when did Fareham harbour become a marina?
Also, has it actually gone viral?
I have certainly seen the link on multiple of different occasions and places
The suggestion itself is absurd and, frankly, an insult to Israel who have been going above and beyond the necessary requirements to ensure that civilian casualties are limited, to ensure that aid is received onto the Gaza Strip and distributed.”
She continued:”I have seen evidence myself, in terms of very up-to-date photographic evidence, of plentiful food packages and trucks of food, water and medicines getting to the people of Gaza.”
So according to Suella Braverman the United Nations and a multitude of aid agencies are all wrong because she has seen photographs of food packages and trucks with food.
Perhaps someone should show these photographs to the United Nations.
Genuine anxiety seeing this back as a live thread.
Should have known she'd said something daft again.
Perhaps someone should show these photographs to the United Nations.
They could send some copies to Gaza too, to keep morale up as people starve.
Opened thread just in case.....
Is disapoint.
Perhaps someone should show these photographs to the United Nations.
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It would usually be apt to post a link to Conservative friends of *** and their influence on government policy at this point but as stw is so afraid of discourse that it shits itself at the mere thought I guess I won't bother,
Perhaps we can ask Suella to offer her services to distribution of aid in * and keep our fingers crossed for a swift resolution.
Warning, warning - thread police are on their way.
She really is dim, odious with an unhealthy level of arrogance; not a good mix.
I would recommend that she applies the principles enshrined in the 4 Fs:
First Find the F'ing Facts.
She should also learn to operate on the basis that she has two ears and one mouth - which should be used in proportion; not inverse proportion.
Warning, warning – thread police are on their way.
Seeing as my mates 15yr old son and his entire class have been discussing the Israel/gaza issue in their modern studies class for at least two lessons each week since the conflict started with some very heated debates i fail to see the issue with discussion on this forum, apart from utter cowardice that is.
You could reasonably apply the same questioning to the leadership of both political parties
fail to see the issue with discussion on this forum, apart from utter cowardice that is.
Read what is posted on the recently closed tbread. Allegations get thrown around and discussion is impossible. Mods are volunteers.
Its a shame but posters will not behave
Or ban the perpetrators, rather than not allowing any discussion on the biggest topic on earth for the last six months.
That's an option, but opinion is just that, and this is a 2-sided issue, so bannings would have to be even handed.
I've always tended to be of the opinion that - let's call them 'opposing' or 'unpopular' - opinions should be allowed. It enables them to be challenged and sometimes changed once other views are seen; it allows daylight to disinfect; and if nothing else enables you to work out who the *s are. As my Dad says opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but some are full of shit.
I've been in some lively threads about CV19 and TG issues where I'd have been happy for some to have outed themselves and unpick their arguments further. But I understand why STW and its volunteer moderators who do an excellent job are reluctant to allow this, even if it does make the moderation on here towards the more conservative (small c!!!) end of the modding spectrum.
I know the arguments about providing the vehicle carries a responsibility for what is posted, but can that not be avoided with a clear disclaimer - THE VIEWS IN THIS THREAD ARE THE VIEWS OF THE POSTERS, AND STW AND ITS STAFF AND MODERATORS TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ITS CONTENT
and then let one thread run as a free for all. I guess the risk is of overspill - firstly into other threads (but makes that easier - "we don't discuss that here, go to the Gaza thread" and delete the post / thread) but also of how differences are then manifested elsewhere and in other threads - poisoning the whole forum. But honestly (and noting that Gaza is a more nuanced issue than the others cited above, in my mind at least) even from the short scraps before the mods get there, I know who I think the *s are on this issue already therefore have the option not to engage them elsewhere as appropriate.
THE VIEWS IN THIS THREAD ARE THE VIEWS OF THE POSTERS, AND STW AND ITS STAFF AND MODERATORS TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ITS CONTENT
As far as I know, the website owners would still have a responsibility regardless of any disclaimer. This isnt "our website".
From nearly every thread I've seen, it's not the subject that's the problem. Its us.
The website owners are currently profiting from extreme pro-Israeli propaganda adverts that keep appearing as pop ups on my feed. So, stopping people talking about it is a bit hypocritical.
As far as I know, the website owners would still have a responsibility regardless of any disclaimer. This isnt “our website”.
Internet lawyer alert
From nearly every thread I’ve seen, it’s not the subject that’s the problem. Its us.
Having just seen the latest closed thread, where the reason has been clearly stated by the Mods, as it has been on every closed thread on the subject, it’s fairly clear why we can’t have nice things.
Agreed (although to be pedantic it's not me because my posts are always correct and appropriate 😉 It's others that are a problem)
But that's the point, it makes moderation easier - don't moderate one thread*, zero tolerance and bans and whatever else for any overspill, no questions.
* beyond what is legally necessary, and the link above seems to suggest that's only on request of the defamed. Maybe make that one of the unmoderated thread rules, if you post on it then your details will be provided on request to any defamation claimant!
Cheers Jonv.
For the curious but not curious enough to click through, I think this is the relevant bit.
However, in case of an interactive website, where the role of the moderator is prominent in facilitating discussions, website operators may risk being held liable to their own posts or to posts that encourage defamatory conversations. In such case, a website operator might also be held liable to comments by other users of the discussion forum if it can be shown that they had encouraged or deliberately prompted the post of defamatory statements against the victim.
On the back of Ton's thread the other day and a little think I've made a decision to ignore political threads from now on.
I came here 20 years ago to seek advice from experts in the field. The field of mountain bikes and mountain biking. And we are that. But we are not experts in politics. We have no more to offer on the subject than the pub bore or Uncle Ernest who drones on and on adding no more insight no matter how many times it's said. No one in internet history has had their mind changed (mild exaggeration but the general point stands) and there are so many better places to inform yourself. It's like the vox pops elements of the media that are often crushingly naive and simplistic. When there are a miriad of insightful podcasts (and some dross) and thoughtful broadsheet opinion prices available to inform or challenge my world view, why would I want a lame 2nd best here from you lot? But what tyre threads - now that's your time to shine.
So from here on in STW is for bike related threads and a bit of light hearted banter. For me at least it's the way forward.
and then let one thread run as a free for all.
Sure, seems like a decent idea at first, but I think the damage is often done "off stage". While the thread remains in public and on the face of it folks are [mostly] behaving; you, me, the other posters aren't aware of what emails are going back and forth, or what's going on in the private DMs or being sent to STW HQ. Those are often ugly and defamatory and no one needs that while you're doing something in your spare time.
Personally I'm not in the least bothered by the fact that this place has a purdah on it. There's posters on here that just can't help themselves, and can't or won't act like adults. So, they've only themselves to blame really
Or ban the perpetrators, rather than not allowing any discussion on the biggest topic on earth for the last six months.
Manchester United’s defensive frailties? The football thread is still open and you’re free to comment on us shipping two goals in Fergie Time again last night
The website owners are currently profiting from extreme pro-Israeli propaganda adverts that keep appearing as pop ups on my feed.
So if you buy a subscription to not see these you ‘ll be supporting STW and effectively undermining the zionist state’s economy at the same time - seems like a win / win
I think it was pointed out awhile ago that STW would struggle to claim they are not a publisher (apparently there is a mag as well) if they ever got prosecuted for something one of us post.
Ever since I first came on STW the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has been an issue with a multitude of threads covering it, I certainly remember the contributions on them. And the issue has obviously always been an emotive one, but it is only in the last couple of months that it has become a totally taboo subject.
So what has changed - were contributors less argumentative in previous times? Not imo. The two things that I have noticed which are different is firstly there is far less support for Israel than there was say 10 years ago. The second thing is the reaction this has caused from the dwindling number of Israel supporters.
The standard response to criticism of Israel now is not to engage in debate, it is simply too difficult to defend Israel, but to make accusations of anti-semitism, everyone who criticises Israel is now apparently anti-semitic. On the original post-Oct 7 thread three or four individuals repeatedly made claims of anti-semitism. This obviously proved something of a headache for mods so the debate was shut down - the strategy worked extremely well.
And back on topic Suella Braverman of course uses allegations of hatred and anti-semitism as she goes around trying to shore up support for a far-right murderous regime.
Suella trying to look Prime Ministerial, rightly gets blanked.
https://twitter.com/I_amMukhtar/status/1791384102391742681
That was very well done. What is she even doing parading around Cambridge with her GB News buddies? Hasn't she done enough damage to this country? Can't she just go away and never been seen or heard of again?
Top class Paddington Bear stare there by the woman near the start. 10/10
Can’t she just go away and never been seen or heard of again?
She will never do that. I am not one for killing people but could make an exception for the greater good.
Superb response by those students. Best way to treat her and GB News.👍
I particularly liked the, "I'm Suella Braverman....MP."
As if the "MP" bit was suddenly going to give her unquestioned authority in the rather awkward situation. 😂
Suella was due to speak at the Cambridge Union last term, but I can't see it on their YouTube channel. Wondering if she postponed and is there for it tonight, or did attend but didn't allow it to go on YouTube, as I know at least one current minister did.
Trying to find out from MCJnr
But perhaps most scary it illustrates the lack of critical thought from those around her, what if it hadn’t just been two well spoken pranksters?
Hmmm, critical thinking from yer average Tory MP… 🤔
She continued:”I have seen evidence myself, in terms of very up-to-date photographic evidence, of plentiful food packages and trucks of food, water and medicines getting to the people of Gaza.”
Just wondering what the veracity of that evidence is; I was placing missing people from group photos with early versions of Photoshop roughly a quarter of a century ago - an iPhone can do even more sophisticated editing now, and don’t get me started on AI editing.
I wonder what Snopes might say…?
Trying to find out from MCJnr
Apparently she was due to talk at the Cambridge Union last term, but turns out Thursday is the night she washes her hair.
Anyone see Bravermann get owned by the fantastic Fiona Lali on GBeebies? Brilliant stuff. 🙂
https://twitter.com/stuzi_pants/status/1791530287395897427
Disappointing clip. I just see two people entrenched in their own talking points. Don’t think the worst Home Secretary we’ve had in my lifetime is “owned” there at all… anyone still sympathetic to her (god knows why) will just hear someone ignoring the debate and filling air time with what she was there to deliver (like a predictable politician) rather than engaging with her.
Oh - wow. Sorry.
I think pointing out to her face and in front of a TV camera the absurdity of Suella Braverman giving lectures on racism is a fair use of the term "owned".
Although I appreciate that many GB News viewers (and apparently you Kelvin) might not agree.
And if you want to see entrenched views just look at any political thread on STW, including this one. I can't imagine many people on STW entering a debate with Suella Braverman with an open mind.
I would have severe reservations about anyone still treating her with an open mind. You'd either need to have been shipwrecked the last five years or be willing to tolerate an awful lot of deliberately provocative stirring
or be willing to tolerate an awful lot of deliberately provocative stirring
Just like a thread on here then!
I see she’s now recommenced her leadership bid by moaning about the present system of justice, sentencing and prison overcrowding
If only she’d have found herself in a position where she could influence such things? Home Secretary perhaps? 🙄
It's that complete lack of self awareness that is almost as endearing as the complete lack of ability.