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There was no threats of legal action that I saw and I was on the thread the whole time. It was closed because of baseless slurs being made that were potentially libellous and the mods could not be arsed with dealing with a messy thread like that.
The thread was closed immediately after I reported tomd for falsely accusing others of anti-semitism. Draw whatever conclusions you want from that. Personally I think it would have been better for the mods to do what they usually do in those circumstances but instead they chose to close the whole thing down.
Well, you’ve clearly made up your mind already.
No, just putting it out there. I think we can all agree that politicians like a good publicity stunt. And this is exactly the sort of thing, had it gone according to plan that someone like Gove would do. The rest of the day hadn't really gone the tories way, so why not engineer something that might regain a little bit of sympathy? A democratically elected member of Parliament, being attacked by an angry 'mob', would have played very nicely into their hands, wouldn't you agree? It was immediately seized upon by the right wing press, anyway.
It's not impossible.
And this is exactly the sort of thing, had it gone according to plan that someone like Gove would do.
Er, it did go to plan, you even point it out further in your paragraph!
It was immediately seized upon by the right wing press
Moderator comments get deleted, but the comment about a temporary closure referenced a threat of legal action and came just after this of comment of yours, which in the most charitable reading at least raised that prospect:
You can have whatever opinions and thoughts about me you so choose, I have no control over that. But should you choose to voice those opinions in a public arena such as this forum, then you risk staying into the territory of defamation and slander. So please consider this.
I also wish it hadn’t been closed, but there’s no point ignoring the many posts and temporary closures that led to its eventual permanent closure.
Anyway, I’ll drop it now, because I do enjoy your posts for the most part. I think they’re thoughtful and considered even when I don’t agree. And I very much appreciated your comments yesterday.
Back to Cruella…
I think you are wildly overestimating this government's ability to plan something like this on the hoof, to get a minister of significant seniority to engage with it, and to then carry it out with the connivance of the cops all for the benefit of a couple of headlines, if it all comes off as planned, and doesn't go horribly wrong
I think it looks like Gove walked into a station without thinking about what might happen because Gove walked into a station without really thinking through what might happen.
Benos - in no way or form is that a threat of legal action. The continual baseless slurs are potentially libelous and the person making those slurs would not stop. He made those slurs against a number of folk
"when in a hole stop digging" Hattersleys law
Moderator comments get deleted, but the comment about a temporary closure referenced a threat of legal action and came just after this of comment of yours, which in the most charitable reading at least raised that prospect:
There is nothing in my post that threatens legal action, as you have alleged. This is a fact, echoed by others. You have decided to deliberately misconstrue, then misrepresent what I've said. This, I find offensive. But it serves as an example of the 'oneupmanship' that is all too present in internet debates. You have failed to argue effectively against my words, so you choose instead to attempt to create a false narrative that better suits your own views. Yesterday, I asked that people try to build bridges rather than dig trenches. I am sure that ultimately, we both, and hopefully everyone else on here, want a peaceful outcome to this tragedy. So let's instead try to find common ground, rather than constantly look for ways to undermine one another.
I think you are wildly overestimating this government’s ability to plan something like this on the hoof, to get a minister of significant seniority to engage with it, and to then carry it out with the connivance of the cops all for the benefit of a couple of headlines, if it all comes off as planned, and doesn’t go horribly wrong
I think it looks like Gove walked into a station without thinking about what might happen because Gove walked into a station without really thinking through what might happen.
I don't think I'm 'overestimating' this government's ability to be utterly mendacious and manipulative. They are past masters at creating such stunts. It could just have been the idea of one or two advisers; 'let's try this see if it works'. As for Gove; he is far more intelligent than you appear to give him credit for. There is no way he would not have thought this through. Plus, he'll have been surrounded by security the whole time; a politician of his stature and lack of popularity would never be allowed to just wander about on his own without a security detail.
But as I said; it was just a thought, I'm happy to accept I could be wrong.
But as I said; it was just a thought, I’m happy to accept I could be wrong.
Certainly sounds like it 🙄
Certainly sounds like it 🙄<br /><br />
Well, you’ve clearly made up your mind already.
Christ. Can you just form your own chat space to duke it out and leave this thread on track.
Gove as a matter of course wouldn't have a security detail, he isn't in a sensitive office nor has he been. The general rule is that he is not be entitled to use ministerial transport if he is on constituency business. With the amount of roadworks in South West London at the moment it would have been much quicker to travel by train.
How can it be a resignation letter when she was sacked?
She was very politely asked to resign.
Am I right in thinking that MP's can't be sacked as such as they are elected, but they can have the whip withdrawn, essentially kicking them out of the party but they would still be an MP?
But in this case Braverman resigned from her position as minister for tents and small boats in cabinate (so remains a tory back bencher), under threat of removal of whip?
Gove as a matter of course wouldn’t have a security detail
And Gove as a matter of course would have known that Victoria Station would be chock-a-block with pro-Palestinian demonstrators.
I don't buy into this theory that all Tory politicians are idiots.
I think it looks like Gove walked into a station without thinking about what might happen because Gove walked into a station without really thinking through what might happen.
The heil reports him as having got out of a official car, due to road closures, and having started to walk home before being followed and booed by protesters.
Since, reasonably, he didnt want them following him home he then went into the station to find some cops.
So whilst not great behaviour there doesnt seem to have been any real threat.
so she's a wee bit annoyed
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1724466130939465734?t=euNGxQ3_zLsLRNKSN6Uz4g&s=19
If you make such an accusation, you have to be able to back it up.
I did.
As for the original Palestine thread getting closed; that is a moderation decision I disagree with, I have to say.
Many people would seemingly agree. It's a shame the threads had to be closed, whether it was the wrong decision is a different matter. But if people demonstrably cannot play nicely then this is why they cannot have nice things. I'd refer you back to TJ's earlier post, he was on the money. The moderators aren't paid staff, they do it out of goodwill and out of love for the site. If a thread turns into a pain in the bollocks to keep on top of then it will get closed because sometimes that's the only option left; it's the same with bans, if you're asked to stop doing something and you persist then there's little else they can do. This is Wheaton's Law in action, not censorship.
I’m glad discussion about this horrific war has been allowed to continue on this thread at least.
It's almost like that totally negates your original accusation that I can't back up calling someone out for claiming that we're not allowed to talk about things, isn't it.
This discussion belongs in a separate thread IMHO. I'm mildly surprised that it hasn't been closed already due to the wild topic drift.
the pro-Palstine movement by being a bit shouty and generally beastly to poor old Michael Gove?
Not only beastly but also terribly British. They chanted : "Shame On You!"
Oh how that must have wounded him.
Having read braverman's letter ...Ho! Ho!
You can't help but love her final sentence - "I will, of course, continue to support the Government in pursuit of policies which align with an authentic conservative agenda".
I take it that means she will be voting against the Gov on everything.
OOF!!!
That’s the Tory civil war officially declared then 😂
Vote of no confidence on Friday then?
Surely that was the inevitable result from the day he appointed her
"They are what people voted for in the 2016 Brexit Referendum."
Did anyone miss the bit about "protecting biological sex", turning away international students, and increasing wage thresholds for work visas in the referendum?
I'm staggered at the promises she claims Sunak was prepared to offer to get her to take the job. And her being an already-sacked-by-Truss cast-off. He must have been desperate, to promise to make primary legislation immune to pretty much all legal challenge.
It's enough of a step on from the conventional 'you're a bit shit, I'm off' letter that he should be considering withdrawing the Conservative whip from her in the name of party discipline. But of course he won't do that.
so she’s a wee bit annoyed
With the language used I can't see how she can retain the Tory whip.
It is impossible to know what she is up to but it is clear that she isn't too concerned about the damage that publicly denouncing their leader might do to the Tory Party.
Perhaps she is looking at a post general election breakaway right-wing party. I reckon that she has now comprehensively destroyed any chances of her becoming leader of a united Tory Party.
Perhaps she is looking at a post general election breakaway right-wing party. I reckon that she has now comprehensively destroyed any chances of her becoming leader of a united Tory Party.
Look at the way that even so-called 'moderate' Republicans fell into lockstep with Trump, and remain there, in spite of everything. There are very few of them who were prepared to say no to him, and they were swiftly purged.
If she can somehow become leader of the Conservative Party, the same could happen here, and she could command the loyalty of the vast majority of its MPs, as well as the solid support of the geriatric arseholes who make up the membership. All she needs is for it to go to the members. I thought she might not have the numbers, Sunak certainly thought that, so we'll have to see if enough of them are dumb enough to put their letters in.
The Parliamentary Party is not so important at this point. In a year or so it will be in disarray, and severely reduced in size, at which point whoever holds the reins sets the direction. Even if she performs badly during the election, Braverman can claim that she arrived too late to stop the massive defeat (the letter basically says it), but she's prepared to stick around to make the necessary changes and lead them to victory in 2028.
The ERG made the decision not to back anyone as a block... so getting key people from that grouping (assuming others would follow their lead) to back anyone other than Johnson, to stop him getting the numbers among MPs, was key to avoiding a run off involving the ex-PM... especially one that went to the members (who, impossible though this seems to the rest of the country, could very well have voted for him to return as leader and PM).
If she can somehow become leader of the Conservative Party
I can't see how that can happen now. You can't compare the Tory Party with the US Republican Party, quite apart from anything else there are no primary elections. Any Tory leader needs substantial support from parliamentary party.
Braverman is helping to guarantee that the next general election will be a total disaster for the Tories. The Tories number one priority will be to try and unite, they are generally quite good at that. Braverman will be seen as totally divisive.
Any Tory leader needs substantial support from parliamentary party.
I come simply from the experience of thinking no sane MP would allow Liz Truss to get to the final two of a Tory leadership election.
Boris spent a good while undermining his leader and generally being totally divisive within the party, and it paid off nicely for him.
Perhaps she thinks her best chance to become leader is this side of an election, not after it? I can only see her popularity with members fading now she's out of government... but she's still far more popular than Sunak... for now. Also, post election, there could well be far fewer of the MPs that might support her than there are now. Who knows? Toppling Sunak might be her only path to being leader... even if it looks unlikely to distant observers.
EDIT: The Tory party doing the unlikely has become almost normal.
I can only see her popularity with members fading now she’s out of government… but she’s still far more popular than Sunak… for now. Also, post election, there could well be far fewer of the MPs that might support her than there are now. Who knows?
Quite possibly this is the only moment, which is why she's pushing it over the edge. But then again, after a crushing election defeat the argument that 'we would have won but we just weren't authentically Conservative enough' will also be quite attractive. Her rivals will be painted as 'more of the same'.
EDIT: The Tory party doing the unlikely has become almost normal.
It's hard to conceive the scale of its dysfunction from our position.
that letter is better than I could have hoped for. Hopefully it will swiftly move on to more letters of no confidence, snide briefings to client journos and further chaos. Boris must be furious that he resigned now 😉
Under normal circumstances I know this would be a bad thing for government, but the best thing we can hope for is that they do 'nothing' until the next election, considering everything they touch turns to shit. Legislative Inactivity and infighting can only be a good thing for us.
also. It's entertaining.
Legislative Inactivity and infighting can only be a good thing for us.
Depressing but true. There could certainly be worse times for this to happen, and it might stop them breaking so much until they’re gone. Hopefully.
Toppling Sunak might be her only path to being leader… even if it looks unlikely to distant observers.
She's not going to replace Sunak this side of an election, why would she want to take over then be responsible for a tory wipeout? She could however force his hand to hold an election, in which she would then benefit by him losing massively and then saying I told you so. All it needs is a few dozen tory MPs to abstain in a confidence vote.
Never underestimate how much some people want to be PM. Even if only for a short while.
Sunak was never going to be a popular PM. That interview with those teenagers where he goes on about being a Coke addict revealed his true nerd. He has continued to let it slip throughout e.g. the doe-eyed encounter with Musk. The nation could do with being better at Maths and having more diverse A-level choices, but he keeps misjudging his base who have a more "base" agenda.
The election will be a disaster for them. They will shrink into bitterness and coalesce around their base. In time, either the world will move on, making them either less or more relevant. In any case they will brood on GB News waiting for moment to be reborn.
A new Boris will emerge fully-formed, out of the mud of an Oxbridge college, like an Uruk-hai. The country will be tricked yet again by a very convincing act.
It is difficult to get too excited.
This discussion belongs in a separate thread IMHO
I agree. Why not start one?
Gove as a matter of course wouldn’t have a security detail
Such a bold assertion. Especially considering Gove and his wife were 'forced' to reinforce their home security after feeling threatened.
ButI was merely speculating, not asserting anything. It's still my belief that Gove's jaunt through Victoria station, right at the same time there was a huge number of pro-Palestinian demonstrators there, was not merely coincidental. But everyone is entitled to their own views.
It’s entertaining.
Hmm. Perhaps in a morbid kind of way. But in the meantime, ordinary people will continue to suffer under this vile regime. As they play out their Machiavellian games this winter, people will die because they can't afford to heat their homes, eat adequately, and from a chronic lack of adequate health services.
Gove is often seen on public transport and in public places alone without security. I actually applaud him for it.
Would be awkward buying columbian marching powder if you were accompanied everywhere by a cop! Perhaps thats why he's never been in one of the roles where it comes with the job?
'Lord' Mogg was, sadly, on the money about this :-
“I think from the point of view of the Conservatives winning the next election, today is a mistake because Suella understood what the British voter thought and was trying to do something about it.
“It seems to me that the Prime Minister is not as well attuned to the voters’ concerns as Suella Braverman.”
As ever the politician is as much a symptom as the catalyst. Braverman has been a vehicle to allow the nastier side of a lot of the public to be vindicated in their vile beliefs. Whilst not here (because we are largely fine upstanding examples of the Wokerati) there are millions of potential votes UK that like oversimplified racist abusive. In many ways its not the scum at the top of the pile that worries me the most, but the swamp we are forced to swim in.
If she can somehow become leader of the Conservative Party
I can’t see how that can happen now
You’re joking aren’t you? She’s an absolute shoe-in after this. Even more so after the whole Rwanda thing is deemed unlawful tomorrow
She’s going to weaponise all this shit. She already has. She’s a dead cert as next Tory leader, brought to you by the same old senile racists who delivered you Liz Truss as PM
Ernesto, I’ll buy you a beer with my winnings when my bet pays out at 9/1
Suella understood what the British voter thought
Erm..... the overwhelming evidence, including from actual election results, is that British voters are actually moving to the left.
Braverman has, in contrast, tried to move the Tory Party in the opposite direction, to the right.
Which explains why every attempt to fire up a culture war has been a flop for the Tories.
And why the Labour Party has maintained a solid and consistent 15-20% lead over the Tories for months, if not years.
Mogg, unsurprisingly, is talking shite.
As ever the politician is as much a symptom as the catalyst. Braverman has been a vehicle to allow the nastier side of a lot of the public to be vindicated in their vile beliefs. Whilst not here (because we are largely fine upstanding examples of the Wokerati) there are millions of potential votes UK that like oversimplified racist abusive. In many ways its not the scum at the top of the pile that worries me the most, but the swamp we are forced to swim in.
That's an interesting analysis. And invokes a chicken and egg situation. Are so many people a bit racist because it's an inherent human characteristic, or because of social conditioning? Nature v Nurture. I prefer to think that people are generally ok themselves, and it's the environment they're in that shapes their thinking and rationale. Xenophobia is a base fear in all of us, for sure, but it's how we confront that fear that determines how we end up racist or not. And by that, I'm not implying that racism is a binary phenomenon; one can be slightly prejudiced, or downright hateful, and all shades of grey in between, in my opinion. I don't believe anyone is truly without any form of prejudice though. But environment is so crucial; if you grow up in London for example, go to school with kids of all different backgrounds, and form long term relationships with such people, you're probably less likely to be so phobic than if you were raised in a poor, white working class community in a rural area for example. Massive generalisation and simplification, but you get the idea. But the tories love to work on people's base fears, helping to encourage xenophobia is essential for the divide and rule elitism they espouse. People like Braverman amplify those fears still further, to the point of inciting real hatred. That video of those guys in the train station; screaming 'we were ****ing born here!' as though that somehow entitles them beyond others. Very disturbing. But if you can get everyone thinking like that, it's far easier to compartmentalise, and ultimately, control them. Blinded by hatred for one another, they won't see just how much they are being manipulated and exploited for the benefit and power of others. Hence the vital importance for dialogue and discourse.
She’s a dead cert as next Tory leader, brought to you by the same old senile racists who delivered you Liz Truss as PM
LOL! Thanks for pointing that out!
Yeah the Tories did so well when they chose a leader that didn't last as long as a fresh lettuce.....the voters came flocking and the Tories suddenly became dramatically more popular than Labour!
They are bound to make exactly the same mistake masterstroke, all over again!
She’s not going to replace Sunak this side of an election, why would she want to take over then be responsible for a tory wipeout?
1: She can claim she didn't have enough time to turn the tanker around, thanks to Inaction Man not circumventing those beastly judges as he promised her. If he'd been a proper Tory, and he'd kept his promises to Suella, then the boats would've been stopped and election victory assured, or some bullshit like that.
2: Even if that doesn't work, she's 'Former Prime Minister Suella Braverman' for the rest of time. Liz is doing nicely out of her speaking engagements, and still somehow appears to be influential in the party.
Binners has quite a good track record on this.
The Liz! Truss! thread in particular is worth a quick revisit if anyone needs a reminder.
The *members* will make the same mistake, because they all believe that Truss was brought down by the pinkos in the City, or the Civil Service, or ... whatever. Her genius plan would have worked, it wasn't given a chance.
The only thing that could stop them, is not allowing them the choice. As with Sunak's coronation. Whether there are 100 MPs prepared to support her...that may depend on the alternative, and the specific situation when they are called on to decide.
Binners has quite a good track record on this.
Three rules of modern British life: Mrs Binners for sports bets, Mr Binners for political bets, never drink in a flat-roof pub.
Worth remembering the groundswell of support for disgraced ex-pm Liz Truss at conference. She was a hit speaker. Her bizarre 'anti-growth coalition' conspiracy theories are actually more popular within the party structure than you might think. They are inward-looking, entrenched, and utterly barmy.
She might be focusing so much to appeal to the membership that she overlooks one fundamental issue - she needs to be on the voting slip for leadership, presumably after an election that could well wipe out many of her supporters. I'm not 100% sure she's massively well liked by fellow MPs in the Tory party, especially as it could be easy to blame her for rocking the boat so close to an election.
I wonder if the 100 MP rule applies if they only have 80? Of course they can just change their rules anyway...
He’ll have been picked up from Victoria in a car of some sort. Certain routes are always kept clear/made to be easily cleared, in case of emergencies etc. Many of the roads around Westminster were clear anyway. So he could just as easily have been driven, or even helicoptered in.
You may have confused London on a busy Saturday with Moscow in 1983, with its dedicated lanes down main roads for the Politburo.
presumably after an election that could well wipe out many of her supporters
Yeah, that's what I was suggesting. While it might be a struggle to get to 100 nominations this Autumn, it'll probably be even harder if the North kicks out many of the more unhinged useless Tory MPs up here who might be inclined to support her.
Of course, that 100 nominations requirement might have to be knocked down to 50 or so... if the parliamentary party are decimated at the election. [ here's hoping! ]
That letter is truely batshit!
Binners has quite a good track record on this.
You mean like me saying it looked likely that Braverman would be sacked on Monday and not after the the court's decision on Wednesday, whilst binners was claiming that she was in fact the real prime minister and totally in charge, with Sunak too weak to sack her? That sort of track record?
Everybody predicted that Liz Truss would win the leadership contest, because she was the frontrunner! No one predicted that she would only lasted 41 days before the Tory MPs sacked her
That letter is truely batshit!
To me at least, she is a truly disturbed individual. Sadistic. What makes a person behave like that, with zero compassion for other human beings? I know she's not alone amongst the tories, most of them are like that, but she is off the scale.
I wonder if the 100 MP rule applies if they only have 80?
The rules are announced by the Chairman of the 1922 Committee at the outset of the leadership election. The only aim is to whittle the contenders down to two to put in front of the members, or to one to avoid that inconvenience.
In terms of triggering the contest, it's letters from 15% of the Parliamentary Party, so the threshold falls along with the number of MPs, so the question is could there still be enough headbangers in safe seats to trigger it, even if the Red Wall neanderthals are gone?
That letter. Wow.
I do have to say that they _must_ have known she would do that, so why the hell not actually sack her and deny her that opportunity?
so why the hell not actually sack her and deny her that opportunity?
She would have resigned anyway tomorrow after the Rwanda decision. Sunak just trying to get on the front foot by dropping a massive, dead, old-Etonian cat in front of the media.
Re: rules above
she is a truly disturbed individual. Sadistic. What makes a person behave like that, with zero compassion for other human beings? I know she’s not alone amongst the tories, most of them are like that, but she is off the scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
All she can do is double down, to make any concession would mean admitting, at the very least, that she is in some way wrong.
She's not able to admit that, so double down it is!
You have to love that Suella thinks that Sunak looking at her letter of demands when she took the job is some sort if binding employment contract. He's a politician!FFS.
Did she get a pinky promise from him. Lol
As for this brain dump of a letter, id find the whole Tory infighting situation infinitely more amusing if the Tories were in opposition.
Id like a semblance of a working government rather than this raging at the world, zombie mess.
I'm practically willing the GE to happen asap through the power of thought alone.
God, I can't wait for boring politics to return.😁
In terms of triggering the contest, it’s letters from 15% of the Parliamentary Party, so the threshold falls along with the number of MPs, so the question is could there still be enough headbangers in safe seats to trigger it, even if the Red Wall neanderthals are gone?
Won't need it after the election, Rishi will have to fall on his sword.
Don't think the loons have enough numbers to force VONC before election.
She would have resigned anyway tomorrow after the Rwanda decision.
I haven't looked into the court case at all but Alistair Campbell was saying on his podcast that the there's a chance the govt might actually win.
You have to love that Suella thinks that Sunak looking at her letter of demands when she took the job is some sort if binding employment contract. He’s a politician!FFS.
Depends if she has something in writing.
Breaking promises to the plebs is one thing but I suspect doing so to a fellow tory mp would be rather frowned upon by the other tory mps.
I haven’t looked into the court case at all but Alistair Campbell was saying on his podcast that the there’s a chance the govt might actually win.
If you look at the letter, it details how Rishi has been useless in both scenarios, win or lose, giving her the opportunity to flounce either way.
^^ Yep, a very easy trap to set in truth.
The thing is, Sunak knew how this would play out but he's calculated, probably correctly, that she doesn't have enough support to get anywhere near a vonc. The public wont care about her letter. He knew full well she would scream and shout and there will be some political cost but it's manageable.
She may well be the next Tory leader but by then the election will be over/ lost and he'll be back in So Cal living his best life.
For Braverman being Tory Leader or PM is the top of the ladder, for him being PM was an interesting game to play because he had no need of a ladder. The gold plated lift has always been waiting for him. Being PM will have made him some good future contacts but it was never his end game in life.
The Rwanda case wouldn't have got as far as the supreme Court if there wasn't a possibility of the Gov winning.
It has now become something of a sideshow.
If the decision goes against the Gov, Starter will have yet another stick with which to beat sunak - but he needs to learn how to go in studs up after the pleasantries which could take the form of...good afternoon prime minister, I hope you're well and having an enjoyable and productive week.
Then, metaphorically, kick sunak in the balls.
he’s calculated, probably correctly, that she doesn’t have enough support to get anywhere near a vonc
This implies the man has political awareness that thus far hasn’t been much in evidence.
^^ I'm not sure if it's a lack of political awareness or just that fact he chased after and got a job that no sane person would want with the Tory party currently reenacting the fall of Rome. I think even the most savvy Tory leader would be in one mess or another because his party is absolutely and utterly divided. The only thing that unites the party is being terrified of being wiped out at the election but they all disagree on how to prevent that too. Lol
Ive got zero sympathy for him either way, if it wasn't so damaging for the country I'd think it's bloody hilarious. Be careful what you wish for etc etc.
Where does Jungle Nige fit in to all this? He was all over the Tory conference like a fungal skin infection on jabba the hutts arse. Spot of “humanisation” ont Telly and then lines up with Suella, Liz and Moggy for the (fentanyl withdrawal fever) dream ticket?
This implies the man has political awareness that thus far hasn’t been much in evidence.
He became prime minister.
This implies the man has political awareness that thus far hasn’t been much in evidence.
Getting where he has is pretty good evidence for it at least as far as internal tory politics are concerned.
Rwanda decision
there’s a chance the govt might actually win.
Well of course there is, judgement has not been passed yet. 😉
I can only see the court saying it's illegal for many obvious reasons, and then an appeal, because the tories, much like trump, don't like it when they are wrong.
This is also a very good reason for the seperation of judiciary from government.
I can only see the court saying it’s illegal for many obvious reasons, and then an appeal
Uhh...
Gov winning will be the worst outcome…for the govt.
I can’t believe they will want to win it quite frankly. Just imagine if they actually have to go through with the farce of deporting people to Rwanda. Just think for a minute about the actual process, the court cases, the press coverage, the demonstrations, the frickin cost of it all. It will be a massive disaster and the public, especially the racist nasty ones will very quickly get bored and move on leaving the rest of us to voice our disgust. It will become a massive albatross around the Tory neck.
No no - much better if it was blocked by the wokerati then it can become a far right martyr cause to rally around.
I reckon Suella wanted out before the decision either way - give the problem to little Rishi and the pig botherer.
no wonder Cleverly has been going around with a face on him since he got shifted from his interesting job where no one bothered him to having to invigilate a kindergarten