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Sunday’s march
Doooh.
^^ In fairness I thought it was Sunday until yesterday. Lol
ironically, neo-nazi far-right thugs descending onto London in support of Israel.
They couldn't give a flying **** about Israel
Yeah, they aren’t there to support anything, they are there to get drunk and get into a ruck.
Very much this. And look what Suella Braverman has provoked. Before she gave them all the nod that she agrees with them and she's on their side, Tommy and co weren't planning on heading to London, but now....
They are very much all up for a kick off and when they do it will all be on Cruella
https://twitter.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1722923817532612979?s=20
There are some definite attempts to confuse the matter by the right wing rags.
Happily at least some of the inbreds think its Sunday as well so will be turning up for their fight a day late.
Should be amusing when they try to get close to the Cenotaph to "protect" it from a march, several miles away and a day earlier, and run into the cops protecting the various dignitaries.
Yaxley-Lennon is a long standing supporter of Israel.
The current Israeli coalition government includes cabinet ministers with very similar far-right political views as that of Yaxley-Lennon.
Happily at least some of the inbreds think its Sunday
Oi! That really upset me and my OH. (That happens to be my sister.)
ernielynch
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Yaxley-Lennon is a long standing supporter of Israel.The current Israeli coalition government includes cabinet ministers with very similar far-right political views as that of Yaxley-Lennon.
Definite, "the enemy of my enemy" stuff going on there.
To be fair Yaxley-Lennon is probably a tad more liberal than the Israeli National Security Minister:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/25/world/israeli-minister-racist-claim-intl/index.html
And the Israeli Finance Minister who calls himself a fascist:
ernielynch
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It’s also because the only day that used to matter was Remembrance Sunday, now suddenly Armistice Day has increased in importance.
That's definitely the reason I'm getting confuzzled.
A really good article on the problem Cruella and her ilk by Ian Dunt
The unfathomable bottomless stupidity of Suella Braverman
The Braverman story is about one thing and one thing only. It is that she is a moron. She is stupid in ways that can barely be described with words. She is an object lesson in the death of the human brain. She is an accumulation of dust on the floor of an unused factory. She is a moral imbecile.
That's the real meaning behind that Times piece and it is the only pertinent piece of information we require. Of course Sunak should fire her, but not because of some code or other. He should do it because she is demonstrably intellectually incapable of doing the job.
This is par for the course. Stupidity is not a bar to progress in modern British politics. It is a requirement.
There has been some really dark deals done for Sunak to be PM.
He is so weak that he can't sack the most batshit mental Home Secretary in history.
He is absolutely the worst of the worst.
For me its been the other way round. Armistice day was the most important and only in more recent years has the Sunday become seen to be so key. It was always there but the 11th was the key day. Remembrance sunday was there for those who could not observe the 11th and for the religious
The Armistice, an agreement to end the fighting of the First World War as a prelude to peace negotiations
Hence having the peace march on Saturday - Armistice day. Calling for the guns to fall silent and peace negotiations to start.
only in more recent years has the Sunday become seen to be so key.
Nah, all the fuss concerning Michael Foot's alledged donkey jacket (it wasn't a donkey jacket) happened over 40 years ago on Remembrance Sunday. Remembrance Sunday has always been the big day.
for politicians maybe. Maybe the emphasis was different in different places or maybe my atheist upbringing but the 11th has always been the day to member - even at school and in all my workplaces. Everything stops for the silence on the 11th. the Sunday was not observed in the same way at all.
NW England, remembrance Sunday was the biggie. As a child there was no real nod towards Armistice Day. C of E primary schools, state secondary school.
Entirely the opposite to TJ for me.
When I was in the Cadets at school, it was the Remembrance Sunday. Full parade, church service.
The actual 11th was rarely mentioned, certainly didn't get a 2min silence during lessons or anything.
Not in my experience.
The focus has always been on Remembrance Sunday.
Armistice Day was always recognised but only in recent years has it been more recognised publicly.
Both days are, IMO, hugely important so...let's just leave it that.
As for braverman - a taste of what's to come from the tory party.
She should have been removed as soon as it was clear she had ignored the No 10 press office - and, by extension, sunak.
When spineless sunak eventually removes her there should be an accompanying statement comprehensively rejecting her comments.
That won't happen.
sunak is pathetically weak; a moral vacuum; has no 'political instinct' and is either a brilliant or piss poor judge of character.
The sooner he pisses off to count his money, the better.
My recollection was that the Sunday was the big day. No silences on the 11th until relatively recently (early 21st century).
As for the confusion, a lesson in propaganda. We are constantly told that it would disrupt a ceremony and pass by the Whitehall cenotaph. Tell a lie, tell it often, Oh for the days when this sort of behaviour was considered far fetched.
Remembrance Sunday has been the official National day of remembrance since WWII. Renewed focus on the marking of Armistice Day took place in, I think, the 90s, following a campaign by the Sun.
EDIT: Ernie, I am not convinced criticism of the police is a major no no in the Tory party anymore and hasn't been for some time - Theresa May made a speech at the Police Federation when Home Secretary that was pretty scathing.
for politicians maybe. Maybe the emphasis was different in different places or maybe my atheist upbringing but the 11th has always been the day to member – even at school and in all my workplaces. Everything stops for the silence on the 11th. the Sunday was not observed in the same way at all.
Even when deployed (where safe & appropriate) the 11th and the silence is observed by (almost) all members of HM Armed Forces.
Sunday is a huge day within, I'm glad I no longer have to try and stand on parade holding a weapon while someone reads out the Regimental Operational Honour Roll though.
In other news I got questioned as to where my poppy was today by one of these new breed 'patriots', that was a fun conversation.
Interesting folks thoughts about which day to observe. At school it was always the 11th and a silence and thats back in the 70s and usually noted at my work as well (often 'cos I prompted it 🙂 ) I have never taken note of the sunday. I always considered that a religious thing
My recollection is that the two minutes of silence is relatively recent, because there wasn’t the prevalence of national radio networks to allow the transmission of the striking of Big Ben and the gun salute.
Remembrance Sunday has been observed in Commonwealth member states since 1919. Remembrance Day evolved out of Armistice Day, which was initially observed at Buckingham Palace during the evening of November 10 1919 when King George V hosted a banquet in honour of the President of the French Republic - the first official Armistice Day was held the following morning in the grounds of Buckingham Palace.
I bet it was a fun conversation RM!
What do you think of the white poppy? Peace pledge union.
Relapsed_mandalorian,
In other news I got questioned as to where my poppy was today by one of these new breed ‘patriots’, that was a fun conversation.
I got that last year. I asked for their Reggie number. When none was forthcoming I told them to wind their neck in.
I’ve been hovering on this chat with zero input. All I will say is, it happens every year. Remembrance is used and abused for peoples own political agendas, that goes for the left and right. Serving military, veterans and families just want to have their day to remember. Stop politicising it and let us get on with it.
I always considered that a religious thing
It is, the church gotta keep relevant somehow. It always caused a moral conflict for a few of us as atheists, on one hand I object to the chat about god and all that bollocks, but I also have a professional and personal responsibility to attend and do my bit.
In terms of the actual act of remembrance, that's a frequently occurring thing, I don't need a single day for it!
RM and others that have served - how do you view the white poppy? ~Genuine question.
Was thinking about this and where I grew up, it definitely felt like the 11/11 was the main event, and remembrance sunday was a movable feast that was connected to it, and it always felt really secondary. But thinking about this, that might have just been because 11/11 was often on a school/work day! Remembrance Sunday was a thing in London on the TV, pretty much, while Armistice Day was a thing we were more involved in and did local events and suchlike.
Back on the original topic of Suella DeVille, apparently the Prime Minister has stated she has his full support. I’ve always understood that to be code for “I’m supporting her until I have the first possible opportunity to kick her sorry ass out of the government”.
Ernie, I am not convinced criticism of the police is a major no no in the Tory party anymore and hasn’t been for some time – Theresa May made a speech at the Police Federation when Home Secretary that was pretty scathing.
May's speech to the Police Federation in 2014? How many times has it occurred since then?
I wouldn't say that no Tory politician ever criticises the police but the police isn't treated as an aunt sally by the Tory Party in the way the BBC, immigrants, leftie lawyers, etc, are.
I remain unconvinced that publicly undermining respect for the police is popular with the Tory faithful.
I bet it was a fun conversation RM!
What do you think of the white poppy? Peace pledge union.
Aye, I was polite to start with, he then got a bit sarcastic so I was less polite.
More power to anyone that wants to wear one. I have the utmost respect for those who have the courage of their convictions and stand for peace. They're needed voices when the war drums start being beaten as they should moderate the decisions of those who want it.
All the old boys I got to know over the course of my career fought for and in many cases died to ensure we have the freedom to live our lives in peace and with agency, the white poppy is a choice and belief that exemplifies that so should be accepted and respected.
Only anecdotal Ernie but my right wing relatives I have mentioned before were a police family and they believe the police are soft on lefties.nowadays. they would agree with Braverman I am sure
Back on the original topic of Suella DeVille, apparently the Prime Minister has stated she has his full support. I’ve always understood that to be code for “I’m supporting her until I have the first possible opportunity to kick her sorry ass out of the government”.
An interesting perspective I heard on a podcast was that she would be more dangerous on the backbenches, so it may be a case of keep your friends close...
He may be letting her go full send, so that she crosses a line that means he can drop her with little blowback on himself?
Ta RM
ON poppies its only folks who have served whos views I consider but I wouldn't want to be seen as offensive
"When I were a kid"... Armistice Day was a school thing, Remembrance Sunday was a Cubs/Scouts thing.
White poppy... great as a symbol, but my grandparents drilled into me the importance of the RBL, so a donation to them if not wearing a red poppy feels like a worth while thing to do. Everything is optional though, and no one should feel pressed to do anything. I always find quiet time on my own to think of my dad and his service, despite him being big on parades himself (was in the Colour Squadron). I'm all up for marching bands at other times, just that anything with any, for want of a better word, "bombast" around these dates feels odd to me... I don't like what it brings out in some people*, or how it looks to others.
[ EDIT: *I absolutely don't mean those that served ]
were a police family and they believe the police are soft on lefties.
No doubt that was widespread among coppers themselves.....way too soft on unwashed longhaired bearded lefties.
But that is not what I was referring to. I don't think that publicly criticising the police is popular with Tory Party members. I would be very surprised if there was evidence to suggest the contrary.
I’ve always understood that to be code for “I’m supporting her until I have the first possible opportunity to kick her sorry ass out of the government”.
Its more the question "do you have full confidence" is code for "you are going to sack them arent you?"
That the question is being asked at all is dangerous for a politician. Whilst the PM has to answer "yes I have full confidence" as otherwise the follow up is "so why do they still have a job" it is going to count on the negative side of the "keep them or not" debate.
Sounds like the Police are expecting the Right to arrive in numbers tomorrow. The whole problem created by the Home Secretary being an asshole. Hopefully they will be "guarding" the Cenotaph while the big march ignores them grom a mile away.
The danger being what happens away from the expected trouble spots, of course.
A friend who is ex Navy (Falklands veteran) shared one of those FB "I'll wear my poppy with pride no matter what people think" posts. He was probably surprised how many of us pointed out we have never had an issue wearing a poppy, and he should ignore scare stories in patriotic newspapers run by patriotic tax exiles
At school it was always the 11th
Because you weren't at school on Remembrance Day perhaps?
I was - although if the fixture list was kind, I would have been running in a forest somewhere.
Remember 6 months ago when a certain football pundit was publicly vilified for comparing the language used by the Home Secretary to 1930’s Germany?
How’s that looking now?
It’s beyond pathetic that Sunak is just going to sit back and let her do this. It makes it obvious who is really running the country
its been obvious for years.
Hopefully not too late, but just a quick heads up for anyone wanting to attend tomorrow's demo, particularly those who may have kids with them;
Antifascists expect more than 1000 fascists to be assembled in London, under various organisations rather than as a single group. While most of London will be at risk, and people should not enter or leave demos alone, we especially advise caution near Trafalgar square and Vauxhall bridge, as well as avoiding charring cross, victoria and waterloo stations as much as possible, as these areas areex anticipated to have especially large numbers of fash.
Meeting points and times of where the fash will be tomorrow:
I'm not affiliated with that Instagram account in any way; just trying to share info that can hopefully help in avoiding any trouble. Obviously Suella Braverman and other far-right elements want the march to be marred by violence, as it suits their narrative. Most of the far-right boneheads will be some way beyond actually causing any real damage, as they'll be too tanked up to even see straight, but in my experience there will be a number who are proper nasty bastards, so stay safe and keep your wits about you. The vast majority of us just want a peaceful march to exercise our democratic right to protest. A march calling for peace, on Armistice Day, is more than apt right now. It's sadly ironic that some of those self-labelled 'patriots' are also the same kind who throw nazi salutes at demos. Yet Suella calls the demo calling for peace, a 'hate march'. Shows what side she is on.
But that is not what I was referring to. I don’t think that publicly criticising the police is popular with Tory Party members. I would be very surprised if there was evidence to suggest the contrary.
No data, but anecdotally in my area, so covered by the Met, most people I know hold the police in very low regard so I don't see criticizing them as an issue at all.
The religious element of the Remembrance day is pretty short, a decent padre can canter through it in less than 10 mins - at junior school we loved remembrance day as a result as the service was so much shorter - nothing was observed on Armistice Day. In fact I have a vivid memory of an RO who worked for my father bemoaning how noone paid any attention to Armistice Day any more.
When growing up I was at school so have limited recollection of what my father did on Remembrance Day, I think he just went to the Village Church in his suit with the rest of us like he did every Sunday before I went away.
most people I know hold the police in very low regard
You should consider changing your friends mefty, maybe spend more time in the company of law-abiding citizens who respect the police, and less time with right-wing Tory troublemakers?
It’s beyond pathetic that Sunak is just going to sit back and let her do this. It makes it obvious who is really running the country
The vice is closing on Bravermans pro-hate comments, in public, at least. What's happening in internal tory daily meetings is a different matter!
Sunak is a zombie PM, if there was ever a case for an emergency GE, it's now.
You should consider changing your friends mefty, maybe spend more time in the company of law-abiding citizens who respect the police, and less time with right-wing Tory troublemakers?
It is their very respect for the law that leads them to their upset at its maladminsitration.
Mattyfezz - the touble is the right wing headbangers installed her in the first place and they are threatening all sorts if he sacks her. she is too useful an idiot for them to let her be sacked without a fight<br /><br />Sunak has no good choices. Keep her in place and she will just keep on escalating knowing she is untouchable. Sack her and the loons will cause huge trouble including resignations from the front bench and calling for a vote of confidence in Sunak.
Either way Starmer will stick the knife in. Its eiyther - " you knew she was like this, why did you appoint her" or " how weak to let her stay "
Its does have an end of days feel about it. But the tories will never let the government collapse early. They have a nice grip on Sunaks testicles and are enjoying the gravy train too much.
It is their very respect for the law that leads them to their upset at its maladminsitration.
Well I'm glad to hear that you don't knock around with Tory politicians then.
Even the Tory Home Secretary has contempt for the law. Section 13 of the Public Order Act 1986 states that a police commissioner can ask the home secretary to prohibit a protest from taking place but it must be based on intelligence which suggests there will be a real threat of serious disorder and no other way for police to manage the event.
Suella Braverman wants to ignore the legal restrictions placed on the Met Commissioner and tried to insist that he broke the law.
A very poor show for a Home Secretary 😕
What’s happening in internal tory daily meetings is a different matter!
Quite understandably the Tory Party is gripped by unprecedented panic, as they face the possibility of electoral Armageddon in just a few months time. It is to be totally expected that faced with such a monumental crisis they should be at each other's throats and in complete disarray.
To compound their problem they are led by a leader who is scared of his own side.
They have a nice grip on Sunaks testicles and are enjoying the gravy
Wait, what?
latest hey can do is January 2025
but that would mean campaigning through xmas (no one would thank them for ruining another xmas, not least their own canvasers) and once the annual nhs flu crisis is under way they'll be vulnerable to attacks on NHS
so autumn 2024
who knows maybe braverman will be PM by then
How long can they legaly string it out for?
28th January 2025 would be the latest GE date.
If they dont call an election and hit the five years limit on the 17th December (with the election happening 25 working days later).
Outside of the fixed term parliament under Cameron I think it would be the first time parliament automatically dissolved rather than asking the monarch so would be another inglorious tick for the tories.
Would also be the first GE on anything other than a Thursday since prior to WWII.
I was thinking they would be going for the autumn election but I wouldnt put it past them to time it out just to show how they have wrecked the tory party.
Either way Starmer will stick the knife in.
Except they'll miss and trip and stab themselves in the foot.
YOu know what Tories are like Poopscoop
The vice is closing on Bravermans pro-hate comments, in public, at least.
I unfortunately live in her constituancy in Hampshire where she has reigned supreme for years, and many tories before her. The latest poll's show her retaining her seat by a large majority. I can only apologise to everyone outside of Fareham that there is nothing I can do to help remove her.
I think the Fareham constituency's being re-jigged, so you never know ...
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Braverman's mew constituency will be one of the safest Tory seats
Tommy Robinson and his band of far right thugs are presently marching through London, chanting like a bunch of football hooligans and posting it all over social media. I won't repost the footage but it's still pretty shocking to think that this is happening because they were essentially given the nod by the home secretary herself and then have the PM sit by and do nothing to stop it.
This is most definitely now flirting with fascism when you've such a senior politician emboldening and enabling nationalist thugs. They're all clearly up for a kick off and I'll be amazed if today goes off without serious violence, which is of course exactly what Cruella wants
How the **** did we get here? Actually... we all know full well how we got here, don't we?
The patriotic far-right getting ready for their 2 minute silence.
https://twitter.com/lowles_nick/status/1723293365691727910
Good post rm
Facilitated and enabled by braverman; (tacitly) endorsed by sunak.
They are as reprehensible as the right wing mob.
In some senses, worse.
Three West Ham fans ask a police officer: “How far is Trafalgar Square? Is it kicking off there? That’s where I wanna be.”
The police officer gives precise instructions on how to get there, saying it’s five minutes away.
I am assuming that the copper was aware that nothing was kicking off in Trafalgar Square as it isn't on today's route, and as far as I am aware the police have imposed an exclusion zone around Trafalgar Square.
I am slightly surprised that there is as many counter protestors as the article suggests, I didn't think that much more than a thousand was likely.
A number of them explicitly stated that they had come because of the home secretary Suella Braverman’s comments over pro-Palestinian “hate marches” and that police treated them unfavourably compared with “politically correct minority groups”.
Braverman’s new constituency will be one of the safest Tory seats
I've always been under the impression it already was (as a constituent).
They do seem to like a Conservative round here.
In the 2019 GE she had 63% of the vote on a 70%+ turnout and a majority of 26000 or so.
Is this enough to see Braverman charged with "inciting racial hatred"? Or "behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace"?
braverman's Brownshirts
https://twitter.com/lowles_nick/status/1723311045165404437?t=0w8f7j3fv1tHjMpNFMLKkg&s=19
I genuinely surprised how many Jewish individuals and organisations there are here on the demo today. And they aren't just here but willing to identify themselves as Jewish.
Very strange for an alledged hate march which is apparently frightening the Jewish community.
Here's another bit of footage from Chinatown, as police battle far right thugs throwing missiles.
Thanks for that ^^ I was wondering where that column of territorial support vehicles were going.
Barely any police visible on the ceasefire march.
Braverman's Brownshirts indeed. Will the Daily Mail be Hurrah-ing them again, like they did in the 30s?
Couldn't be any clearer - a direct link between this government's rabble-rousing and a right-wing demo/riot at the Cenotaph.
Shows how far we have fallen that the Prime Minister's words and (lack of) actions are a contributory factor.