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Can he appoint her as minister for overseas territories and send her to a newly establish office on the Falklands?
Rwanda surely?
After all, she said how wonderful it was there.
She'd probably need a UK office too, I understand there's a barge down off Portsmouth somewhere which could easily accommodate her.
Who was it who described Cummings as a 'Career Psychopath'?
Suella.... "hold my beer"
I reckon she spends her evenings beating kittens to death with a claw hammer
personally think its hilarious that she's calling out Orange Marches for being hate marches
as leader her only likely chance of being PM would be a minority with DUP support!!
According to the Daily Telegraph, no less:
The Home Secretary and her team defied No 10 by ignoring some of their requested edits to her article.
Four sources have confirmed to this newspaper that some changes demanded by Downing Street in the Home Secretary’s article in The Times, in which she accused the police of “playing favourites” with Left-wing protesters, were not incorporated in the final version.
It means, in effect, that Mrs Braverman and her team ignored specific requests from the Prime Minister’s team about the exact wording of her article on pro-Palestine marches.
The Telegraph understands that the article was shared with No 10, which provided edits. However, some of these were never incorporated in the final version.
It is understood that Mrs Braverman’s comment comparing the pro-Palestine protest to Ulster marches in Northern Ireland was one requested edit.
It is unclear what, if any, action will be taken by No 10 over Mrs Braverman and her team’s actions.
So she is now openly defying the Prime Minister. I reckon that it is fairly conclusive that she is trying to get the sack.
personally think its hilarious that she’s calling out Orange Marches for being hate marches
The dupes seem to have let her off though. I guess they realise anyone mad enough to have much in common with them arent exactly going to be great at history.
Anyone remember the South Park episode with Lemmiwinks?
This situation is starting to feel very similar.
If she posted on here would she have a ban?
Interesting point - I'm not sure she would. Unpleasant opinions and inflammatory, but I think she skates along the line without going over it.
Which makes you wonder what her current username is.....
Interesting point – I’m not sure she would. Unpleasant opinions and inflammatory, but I think she skates along the line without going over it.Which makes you wonder what her current username is…..
She'd have reported everyone on this thread. It's always the case with these far-right nutters, they can give it out but never take it. They're always very keen on freedom of speech and democracy and will hide behind those to say hateful things but as soon as anyone says "excuse me, don't you think you're being a bit...y'know...fascist?" they're the first ones running to mummy and crying that the nasty/leftie man said rude/woke things.
Before trying to enact legislation that stops people from saying rude or "woke" things and thus inadvertently proving the point that they are in fact fascist.
Not dissimilar to conspiracy theorists who are quite able to frame their beliefs as "doing their own research" or "challenging the status quo" or "keeping an open mind" or somesuch but as soon as anyone says "you're talking total shit and here's the evidence to prove it" they go "la la la, you're in with Them, you're one of Them!"
The dupes seem to have let her off though.
She's "clarified" that she meant Republicans.
She’s “clarified” that she meant Republicans.
So in any conflict, only one side can have "hate marches"?
Well lets hope the protests are peaceful. If they turn violent she’s going to be saying ‘told you so’
Only if the trouble comes from the stop the war side.
If it's a right wing group that starts the trouble, we can go back to Braverman and say "We told you so"
Well lets hope the protests are peaceful.
Well up until now the protests have been extremely peaceful, that hasn't stopped her calling them "hate marches" though.
If on Saturday Yaxley-Lennon and some of his cohorts get arrested for turning up at the Cenotaph looking for trouble, and there no more than the usual couple of dozen arrests which you might expect from a huge crowd of many thousands, possibly hundreds of thousands, among those calling for a ceasefire, then she will present this as an example of police biase.
We recently had our local Tory MP in the shop. He's fond of a photo op and has held us up in parliament as shining beacons of capitalism.
I asked him if he was here as a customer or as an MP.
He replied mp and I told him that we were no longer happy for our shop to be linked to his party.
He asked why and I said it was because they had gone BNP.He said that was a bit strong and I just said Braverman . He gave me a look and quickly changed the subject.
GB News’ Christopher Hope says government whips are contacting Tory MPs to ask why they think about Suella Braverman’s Times article.
Weak ol Sunak is looking to see if he has the support of his MPs to sack her?
He may be determined to hold out.
The fact that he was forced to sack both Raab and Zahawi because of media/opposition pressure makes me think you're probs right on that score.
She’s “clarified” that she meant Republicans.
"Dissident" Republicans, apparently:
Suella Braverman has been forced to clarify that she had been referring to dissident republicans in an article in which she likened the pro-Palestine protests in London to sectarian marches in Northern Ireland.
Which makes even less sense as she claimed that it was in the context of, quote: "the kind we are more used to seeing in Northern Ireland”.
I can't remember ever seeing a report of a Dissident Republican march in Northern Ireland, never mind being used to them.
She's ****ing clueless! As thick as mince!
You'd think that if you were going to make such controversial statements, you might at least do the most rudimentary research into the subject you're publishing an article on in a national newspaper and subsequently spouting off opinions about
Anyone got that feeling of imminent action we had as Boris’s collapse drew inevitably near?
It really is beginning to look like things are going to fall over quickly now - dominoes just about to topple. Maybe wishful thinking but its how it feels with more and more info coming out by the minute
edit
I don't think Sunak will go but Braverman has to be sacked given the tory mps briefing against her, the public knowledge that she did this without approval of number 10 and the actual content.
If she is sacked I suspect a few will resign in protest at her sacking.
I hadn't realised that the Times article appears to be in breach of the ministerial code. The code says:
In order to ensure the effective coordination of cabinet business, the policy content and timing of all major announcements, speeches, press releases and new policy initiatives should be cleared in draft with the No 10 Press and Private Offices at least 24 hours in advance. All major interviews and media appearances, both print and broadcast, should also be agreed with the No 10 press office.
Braverman has already been sacked once before for breaching the ministerial code as Home Secretary, could she make a comeback after being sacked a second time?
I actually think that she might have now damaged herself beyond repair. Publicly undermining respect of the police is not what you expect from a senior Tory and I can't imagine that going down well with the Tory Party faithful, they have never had their sights on the police.
I reckon that it has reached the point where Braverman is now doing more damage to Sunak than she would be able to do to him if he sacked her.
So in any conflict, only one side can have “hate marches”?
Of course - the other side has hate marches. We have spontaneous outpouring of joy.
Dorries has now weighed in
If Rishi sacks Suella, she becomes a martyr for those on the right of the party.
The battle now is, who becomes leader of the opposition - who will lead whatever and whoever is left.
The people who lead the Conservative Party within No10 have been grooming Kemi for years. She’s very close to Dougie Smith and Munira. Cummings and Gove.
They won’t allow Suella to succeed. She will never get there.
I do not believe for one moment Gove supports Badenoch. ~Whilst being a foul man himself I have never see neo fascist stuff from him
have been grooming Kemi for years.
Its a shame they didnt take the same ultra long term careful planning approach to the country as a whole rather than their evil master plan.
The levels of planning and care put into the plans to control the tories according to Dorries is the sort of long term planning that we need politicians displaying.
I guess there is a slim chance she is making it up though.
If she was on here she'd be causing a riot and blaming the mods for being left wing patsies.
I can’t remember ever seeing a report of a Dissident Republican march in Northern Ireland, never mind being used to them.
I was curious since I was equally unaware.
According to wiki (its unclear for what year) about 5% of marches were carried out by nationalist groups (a rather wider group than "dissident republican).
I am surprised its that many.
I hope someone asks her to clarify a bit more and provide some examples.
If she was on here she’d be causing a riot and blaming the mods for being left wing patsies
In that case I think she might have had multiple accounts over the last few years.
I do not believe for one moment Gove supports Badenoch.
I remember seeing articles in the summer suggesting that he was supporting her for next PM, I'll see if I can dig any out.
He backed her last time there was a run off... way back last year.
Gove has been at the right wing salts as well... leaving the ECHR, tax cuts for the rich... the old standards.
Think Sunak has to sack her, and i don't think it will lose him any support among MPs or the wider party - she has gone so far off track now. Despite what we like to think on here sometimes, not all Tories are at her end of the spectrum of nastiness. If anything he needs to sack her rather than let her resign.
If the Tories get walloped in the next election and are replaced by Labour, who are not as right wing as the Tories despite what some here would have you believe, the pragmatic Tories may move to the left a little while the headbangers will veer further right, splitting the party. I hope.
Anyone remember the South Park episode with Lemmiwinks?
Jesus christ!
@MoreCashThanDash He has to sack her by any reasonable interpretation, except the one that says he's intrinsically weak.
Lots of open speculation in the press about her getting sacked, when the BBC is running that story it's going pretty mainstream and probably already briefed by No 10.
Chris Mason is pointing out that the Supreme Court decision on Rwanda is due next week. It may be useful for Sunak to have her in place to blame if it is ruled illegal. On the other hand her position is massively strengthened if it is ruled legal.
Maybe she's trying to get sacked before then cos she thinks it'll be ruled illegal, then Sunak will have to take responsibility for it....
Rookie error. He's given her time to resign on principle, and denounce Rishi on the way out as being too soft on forriners. Perfect prep for a leadership tilt.
she can pitch that all she like but those same people see her as a blummin foriner too.
I think Sunak would gain some respect sacking her. looks weak not doing so so unsure what he has to lose
@zippykona pretty sure we have the same MP as your shop, interestingly I've seen or heard very little him since Boris left and he stopped being wheeled out to apologise. Kind of hoping he knock on my door now
Is there a non paywall version of her article available? I'd quite like to pinch my nose and read it.
I like to know my enemy so I had a look at the Daily Mail comments on this story. Top rated comment (with 7007 up arrows) "A good woman in an impossible job".
FFS
It may be useful for Sunak to have her in place to blame if it is ruled illegal.
The opposite I would have thought. With the court ruling that it is illegal and her already gone he could have reasonably said that there is nothing left to discuss. Issue closed.
But if she is still at her job it will just be another headache for him to deal with, even if he eventually has no alternative but to sack her.
By criticizing the police is an institution, ie they allegedly discriminate against right-wingers, Braverman gave Rishi Sunak an open goal.
Criticizing the BBC, immigrants, those living in destitution, left-wing lawyers, etc, etc, might chime with certain sections of the Tory Party, but attacking the police certainly doesn't.
I just can't imagine that attacking the police will have gone down well with the Tory faithful.
The problem imo is that Sunak totally screwed-up and instead of emphasizing his faith in the police, and sacking his Home Secretary for making disgraceful comments, he actually joined in the criticism and said that he would personally hold the Metropolitan Police Commissioner responsible for not doing what Braverman requested if anything goes wrong.
@martinhutch A recurring theme is his total political naivety. Bear in mind he's never won a contested election of any kind...
Bear in mind he’s never won a contested election of any kind<br /><br />
True, apart from winning his parliamentary seat in the 2015 general election. And again in 2017. And again in 2019. But apart from that, not won anything.
Edit, I’m not defending him or his record. Just correcting facts.
Bear in mind he’s never won a contested election of any kind…
And never will.
His seat could be won by a sheep wearing a blue rosette.
I'll be attending the march (for a ceasefire) on Saturday. Braverman's objection to it has strengthened my resolve to go along and join the numbers of others expressing their democratic right to protest. I think that her and the tories faux disgust at the fact not everyone agrees with them, will be a rallying cry in a similar fashion to when a particular piece of art or music is banned, or like when older people disapprove of some aspect of youth culture; it'll only make the march more popular.
I was particularly appalled by the comments of a certain foreign president, claiming that such a march is 'atrocious', and some BS about it being a time for remembrance etc, when his nation's military are murdering children. Further irony being that this is a march calling for peace, and not a 'hate march' as that vile woman is claiming. Her attempts to order the police to act as political enforcers is beyond the pale.
The opposite I would have thought
Of course you would 🙄
Really good analysis imo here:
Their best guess is that Braverman will be sacked on Monday.
If a humanoid Tory were to stand there in a by election now, they would be hammered. The sheep would almost certainly keep the seat
Thanks for that ^^
https://twitter.com/AndrewMarr9/status/1722655805265076407?t=ALZ4gvXzyJGmjUE-2TaHRg&s=19
Sounds like some knives are being sharpened.
I guess this is the middle ground between keeping her as Home Secretary and an outright firing.
Move the deckchairs around a bit.
A reshuffle will suit Sunak.
Allows him to say he's done something whilst actually doing bugger all.
I mean, that phrase suits the entire government really. It a zombie government, it doesn't actually do anything, it just *is*.
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Re shuffle. then poison from the background to mount a leadership campaign
Lol, I don't know why but your phrasing there made me think of her as a tick.😁
"she can pitch that all she like but those same people see her as a blummin foriner too."
I'm not sure this is true.
Racists are really weird - in fact they defy logic (for a number of reasons). You would expect a true racist to hate all people of other races equally no matter who they are or what they do, and maybe the full on neo nazi scum of the far far right do. But they are a small minority.
Your basic racist pensioner doesn't actually consider themselves a racist. A classic but some of my friends are black situation. Except they obviously don't have any black friends - BUT there is Suella (and Kemi and Rishi)......and suddenly they can feel good about hating the boat people and the young brown people taking their useless lazy entitled kids jobs because hey some of my best politicians are black.
@franksinatra He’s in a very safe Tory seat. As @kelvin has said…
The one contested election he’s taken part in was the Tory leadership contest. Which he lost.
As the OP can I just say I think I might have misjudged her in my first post.
We had a really good chat at Cubs this week, we asked them to bring stories of their great grandparents and relatives who’d had sereved in ww2, afghanistan etc, it was something they really focused on& engaged with (not always easy for some of them) and it was a really good session, we also made some poppies and will be doing our own remembrance march on Sunday, a world away from the politicisation and nonsense braverman & co are stirring up.
Hard to articulate how much on behalf of my friends and wider regimental family we appreciate this.
The list of friends who we lose each year because for them the wara never ended grows every year. This year was the one when death by suicide passed KIA in my circle.
Those a lads and lasses are the names that will be forgotten, that aren't written in operational rolls of honour.
All the while these shitehawks politicise the act of remembrance to further their own agendas.
She’s basically a massive dickhead. Should be sacked and disappear in to obscurity.
I actually think she IS evil not posturing for right wing power kicks. she believes the vile repugnant bile she spews out.
Truss is a numpty and Boris ran off when it got too much. But Cruella de Vil on the other hand?
I do not believe for one moment Gove supports Badenoch.
Gove has form when it comes to supporting candidates then stabbing them in the back.
I do not believe for one moment Gove supports Badenoch
Gove is a parasite. He attaches himself to whoever best serves his interest at any given moment. He will then jettison them without a second thought and move on to his next host, when it suits him to do so
If you've not already seen the Daily Stars front page today....
BBC News - Newspaper headlines: Braverman defies PM but right warn against removal
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-67375909
Seems like Sunday's march is now more anti Cruella than pro Palestine. <br /><br />
little Rishi will dither and dither, and dither some more. And then most likely demote rather than sack her... making himself look weak and indecisive when he could have used this to send a strong message.
The core issue is that he IS weak and indecisive, and horribly out of touch.
I see that the usual headbangers are asserting themselves again and as Lil Rishi is terrified of them the tail once again wags the dog.
I love how they refer to themselves as ‘The Silent Majority’. They’re certainly not a majority and the ****s never shut up!
In any functional government, she’d be long gone!
Seems like Sunday’s march is now more anti Cruella than pro Palestine.
It's tomorrow not Sunday and it looks evermore likely that thanks to Braverman there will be violence with, ironically, neo-nazi far-right thugs descending onto London in support of Israel.
I expect that the police will make a very significant amount of arrests.
Rishi did this to himself: Suella had been fired as Home Secretary for misconduct only six days before he reappointed her. This is all on him. What did he think was going to happen? He should be getting called on to resign for his poor judgement , not just to sack her.
Some very useful information here for anyone going on tomorrow's demo:
https://dorseteye.com/if-you-are-going-on-the-palestine-solidarity-march-be-prepared/
Including:
It is likely the Metropolitan Police, under immense political pressure to crack down hard on any suspicion of support for Hamas, may decide to interpret “support” very broadly: potentially as broadly as placards expressing support for “Palestinian resistance” or “freedom fighters”.
This does not just mean making arrests on the day but also using CCTV, public appeals, social media analysis and facial recognition to make arrests in the weeks that follow.
Its just been pointed out that she's achieved something genuinely unique in Northern Ireland: she's united Unionists and Nationalists in condemnation of her as she clearly hasn't got a ****ing scooby what she's talking about.
Theres was a Tory MP on Radio 4 earlier saying that 'as Home Secretary, I'm sure she has an extensive knowledge of Northern Irish politics'
To which the reply was 'well if you read what she's written, she clearly hasn't got a clue!'
Only one of those statements is true
Sunak could sack her just for the level of utter ignorance she's exhibiting on such an important issue. She's meant to be the Home Secretary FFS!
Sunak is terrified of sacking her,- hes weak within the party and the headbanging right of the party like her honesty/bigotry
he will wait it out and see how events play out on Sunday & then the latest ruling on the Rwanda scheme is due on wednesday
'events' could still keep her place
damn david davis talking sense the worlds gone mad
https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP/status/1722918284570292677
damn david davis talking sense the worlds gone mad
He is good on some subjects especially civil liberties.
Unlike many self professed libertarians he doesnt go for the "i should be free to do what i want and you should be free to do what i want".
damn david davis talking sense
He might be on the right of the party but it won't be the first time that he has talked sense.
He has been outspoken in his criticism of the Tory government plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.
Yeah, David Davis is at least consistent and doesn't soil his petticoats in outrage whenever he hears something he doesn't like. Unlike the rest of these self-appointed 'libertarians' in the tory party who think that freedom of speech is very much a one-way street that applies to them but nobody else