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The asylum backlog as at 31 Dec 2022 was around 132,000 applications covering about 161,000 people.
Using an accommodation barge with capacity of c500 is serving to deflect from the gov's piss poor performance in managing and efficiently processing the backlog.
The average time for an application to receive an initial decision in 2021 was 20 months.
A long read from the Migration Observatory gets into detail - here's the link if anyone is interested https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-uks-asylum-backlog/#
I'm sure the government would still be committed to paying out the eye-watering sums in the barge contract, regardless of whether it was actually occupied or not. So they may as well be used in some fashion, even though it might be more satisfying to see them filled with Britain Firsters, towed out to sea and sunk.
Imagine if that cash had been invested in actually speeding up the claim resolution process...
Lee Anderson tells asylum seekers to ‘f*** off back to France’ if they don’t like barges
Senior Tories share fury as 20 migrants granted last-minute reprieve following legal challenges
Charming.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lee-anderson-asylum-seekers-bibby-barge-b2389327.html
Vile comments by anderson and a refusal by alex chalk - justice minister - to criticise or condemn anderson and/or his comments.
The likes of 30p Lee and Gullis are the raw, living embodiment of what used to be the Tory party but is now just a nasty English Nationalist mob.
They’re absolutely despicable, but on the other hand this is the death rattle of a morally and ideologically bankrupt government that knows for sure that not only is it finished, it’s going to be absolutely wiped out!
All they’ve got left is to parade their vile nastiness to other knuckle-dragging Neanderthals. It’s absolutely desperate that they think this kind of shit is going to save them from electoral oblivion.
When you’ve sunk to this level, with the actual deputy chairman of the party using that kind of football-hooligan-esque language and with it being endorsed by those at the very top, who exactly are you trying to appeal too other than real hardcore bigots and racists? Well that isn’t going to win you an election, as thankfully most people just really aren’t that unpleasant
Of course they could commit to stopping the use quicklybut they are to scared of tbe backlash to do so
Direct quote from that Kinnock interview.
"We will do so as quickly as possible to get people out of hotels and off barges and out of the military camps"
How much more quickly than 'as quickly as possible' does it have to be? You accuse me of having one eye closed, you're absolutely blind to the ****ing words in front of you (and the video's got sound so you're ****ing deaf as well)
Well of course it is a selective quote, do you expect random quotes which don’t in anyway illustrate the point I am making?
And I have no idea what you mean by saying play the ball not the man, what man?
You know what i mean in both points, but in case not.
1/ you have deliberately left off the bit that clarifies how long they will be using barges, etc for to create a quote that says they are keeping them and making it sound like that's 'in perpetuity'.
2/ I said before, I know this is not the labour and the policies that you want, but in this case Kinnock (and Cooper's) responses are fair, accurate, and (proof will be in the pudding) truthful. But you won't accept it because nothing Labour do is going to be right for you now.
**** knows why I'm even debating this, it's pointless with some posters.
you have deliberately left off the bit that clarifies how long they will be using barges, etc for to create a quote that says they are keeping them and making it sound like that’s ‘in perpetuity’.
I am fully aware that it isn't 'in perpetuity', I have repeatedly said that the Bibby Stockholm is designed to provide temporary accommodation.
What I want to know is why the next Labour government is keeping it as temporary accommodation. If they can't house 500 asylum seekers fairly quickly how are they going to manage when more than that arrive in a single day - are they just going to let them sleep rough?
But you won’t accept it because nothing Labour do is going to be right for you now.
First of all you do realise that supporting the Labour Party isn't a prerequisite for posting on STW, don't you?
And secondly I am perfectly happy to support the Labour Party if I agree with their policies. An example of that is my huge support for Sir Keir Starmer's 10 pledges. I also very much support Labour's current stance on Europe.
Edit: Most of Labour's policies appear to be watered down Tory policies, including now barges for asylum seekers. I have never been a Tory supporter.
Vile comments by anderson and a refusal by alex chalk – justice minister – to criticise or condemn anderson and/or his comments.
consistent 20pt deficit in the polls, going full-BNP is all theyve got
sadly the racism & hatred this stirs up will linger long after these clowns are out of office
I find labour's continual pandering to racists abhorrent.
They could have condemned this much more strongly and made a much stronger pledge to get rid of it
this is how you comdemn the use of prisonhulks
https://twitter.com/SusaninLangside/status/1688503854566899712?s=20
Not this mealy mouthed nonsense
Controversial barges and military camps will still be used temporarily to house asylum seekers if Labour wins the next election, a member of Keir Starmer’s frontbench has said.
The shadow immigration minister, Stephen Kinnock, said the idea made him “deeply unhappy” as it was the last thing the party wanted to do. But he said Labour would have “no choice but to deal with the mess we inherit”.
Kinnock told Sky News on Sunday: “Over the last 13 years, the Tory government has destroyed our asylum system. We’ll inherit a mess if we are privileged to win the next election.”
When pressed if that meant Labour would continue to use the barges to house asylum seekers, Kinnock said: “The reality is, on day one we will have to deal with the we have and the shambolic mess they have left us. We’ll be left with no choice but to deal with the mess we inherit.”
He told BBC Breakfast that he was confident a Labour government could get on top of the backlog within six months.
The shadow minister refused to give a timeline on when a Labour government would stop using the barges and bring down the backlog from a record high of more than 172,000 cases.
And that is from the labour supporting Grauniad
Kinnock could have easily made a much stronger condemation and pledged to get rid of them on a short timescale
the idea that these 500 possible beds are critical when tens of thousands are being housed and hundreds arrive daily is sheer nonsense. they are just running scared of the tory press and racist voters. Its pathetic
Crikey, it was send them to Rwanda...
...then 'F*off back to France'...
..and now it's send them to Scotland!
It would be funny if the UK government wasn't so utterly evil, & burning public money all the way too.
A quick comic I knocked up...
..and now it’s send them to Scotland!
It was supposed to be Portland, Edinburgh and Liverpool for the first barges.
Both Edinburgh and Liverpool declined the honour.
On a side note hadnt noticed the original posters name.
I think its a rather appropriate subheading.
The charge that Keir Starmer is complicit in this burglary of Britishness has evolved from snide insinuation to an explicit campaign message. Labour and criminal gangs are “on the same side”, Sunak has alleged. Ministers are incapable of describing the operation of their own policy without reference to the opposition’s softness in refusing to endorse it.
This is not some campaign accoutrement to promote Conservative policy. It is the entirety of the government agenda. There is no functional policy beyond a performance of repelling invaders and the manufacture of suspicion that Starmer would welcome them ashore. This technique is not restricted to the Home Office. Conservative environmental policy has been stripped down to the idea that Labour is the puppet of eco-fanatics,
From the grauniad
Kinnock just walked straight into this as Starmer has done on other topics. They should be confronting and repudiating not validiating by timidity and weasel words
Crikey, it was send them to Rwanda…
…then ‘F*off back to France’…
..and now it’s send them to Scotland!
It would be funny if the UK government wasn’t so utterly evil, & burning public money all the way too.
You left out the new tabloid-bait idea: 'Send them to Ascension Island'. A mid-Atlantic rock where virtually every single thing has to be flown thousands of miles at great expense. Sounds like an efficient use of public money.
This is a pretty prescient piece in todays Independent, noting that as the Tory membership and MPs are caught in the grip of ever more unhinged far right fervour, all these batshit crazy ‘ideas’ are simply Cruella positioning herself to fight Kimi Badenoch for the leadership of what’s left of the Tory party after the electoral wipeout that awaits them. Ironic that the two candidates to lead what will essentially be the National Front are both women of colour
Suella Braverman enjoys attacking lawyers – but even home secretaries can’t make justice illegal
Oooh, Liberal boy has got his crayons out again. 😀
Sounds like an efficient use of public money.
The Daily Mail reports that it would allegedly cost £1M per asylum seeker to send them to Ascension Island :
When Priti Patel was Home Secretary she pinched the idea of sending asylum seekers to remote islands from the Australians, she even asked a former Australian Foreign Minister to advise her:
The problem for the UK is that the nearest remote island is so far away, but you can see the attraction:
Offshore detention is designed to be so brutal that asylum seekers are forced into despair and agree to go back home to whatever they have fled. Twelve refugees and asylum seekers have died there.
Dumping people in such remote locations also means denying them proper legal support, medical services and contact with the Australian public. Nauru is 3000 kilometres from the Australian mainland, while Manus Island lies 300 kilometres north of the main island of Papua New Guinea.
https://refugeeaction.org.au/?page_id=4528
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66438422
That sound is Churchill spinning in his grave. If Labour have any sense they'll highlight the creation of the Council of Europe (and as a result the ECHR) as one of the Tories greatest legacies.
To be fair they can campaign to do whatever the hell they like. Their increasingly batshit crazy ‘ideas’ and ‘solutions’ play very well to similarly batshit crazy bigots and racists - let’s call them the Lee Anderson vote - but the majority of the electorate recognise them as batshit crazy
None of this is ever going to be enacted, because it was never intended to be. This is just the two-bald-men-fighting-over-a-comb that will be the next Tory party leadership campaign to decide which batshit crazy loon gets to lead them into far right oblivion
Labour should/must do and say much more to take control of the narrative which is being driven by the likes of anderson and jenrick following braverman's directions.
A clear policy - clearly, confidently and loudly articulated - would be a start for Labour.
I agree Frank
But we have Ernie from the left defending the stance on Brexiit and trying to shut down all discussion even tho its central to a lot of political positions and Binners from the right doing the same when any criticism of the labour positions is mooted.
Labours mealy mouthed stance driven by their fears of being labelled soft on whatever hardline policy is mooted simply leads them to validate the tory policies by refusing to unequivocally repudiate them
Labour should/must do and say much more to take control of the narrative which is being driven by the likes of anderson and jenrick following braverman’s directions.
A clear policy – clearly, confidently and loudly articulated – would be a start for Labour.
I agree, although the point made earlier here and elsewhere that the rightwing press selectively misquote what they say is a thing they haven't grasped. They have to be VERY clear, VERY concise and VERY loud.
But we have Ernie from the left defending the stance on Brexiit and trying to shut down all discussion
What on earth are you talking about? 😆
I haven't defended any stance on brexit, and you can talk about whatever you want to talk about - I am not in a position to "shut down all discussion", I can't even post hilarious road signs!
Labour should/must do and say much more to take control of the narrative
It is deeply ironic that Labour have a consistent lead of about 20% over the Tories and yet it is still the Tories that are dictating the narrative.
You would expect the Tories to start embracing Labour policies rather than what is actually happening - Labour is embracing Tory policies which they had previously condemned.
To paraphrase Napoleon: never interrupt you’re enemy while they’re in the process of behaving increasingly batshit crazy
Ernie:
And secondly I am perfectly happy to support the Labour Party if I agree with their policies. An example of that is my huge support for Sir Keir Starmer’s 10 pledges. I also very much support Labour’s current stance on Europe.
And we all see you attempting to shut down any discussion
It is deeply ironic that Labour have a consistent lead of about 20% over the Tories and yet it is still the Tories that are dictating the narrative.
Labour really don't want to even try and do anything that may reduce their lead, give tory MPS and media something to attack them on. You saw the Labour are anti motorist crap that came out after the mess that was Uxbridge didn't you.
Not sure what any of this has to do with Braverman though.
To paraphrase Napoleon: never interrupt you’re enemy while they’re in the process of behaving increasingly batshit crazy
And look how that turned out - he ended up being captured by his enemies and spent the rest of his life a prisoner.
On a remote island.
Killed by his wallpaper.
And we all see you attempting to shut down any discussion
I said that I support Labour's stance on Europe, I didn't "defend" it, I avoid getting into discussions about EU membership. You can talk about whatever you want to talk about.
What I will continue to do though is to challenge your nonsense that everything is to do with brexit.
Suella Braverman isn't putting asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm, which is what we are currently discussing, because of brexit. Both Germany and the Netherlands have used the Bibby Stockholm to house asylum seekers, both were full members of the EU when they did so.
One way to kill 2 birds with 1 stone:
when people land/ get rescued from “the boats” offer them 2 choices-
wait around in hotels/barges/military basis for months/years to be processed with little money or
be given automatic citizenship & access to jobs/benefits on the condition you get placed wherever we say. Anyone taking this option gets sent to the Falklands, thereby boosting the presence of British citizens. Could even employ them as a defence force.
Anyone taking this option gets sent to the Falklands
I have been to both Rwanda and the Falklands.
I would rather go back to Rwanda.
I have been to both Rwanda and the Falklands.
I would rather go back to Rwanda.
Shame, a colleague has just accepted a 2 year secondment to the Falklands!
I see the " we might have to leave the ECHR" has been proposed again. One thing they seem to forget is that the ECHR is incorporated into the Scotland act that set up Holyrood and I believe is similarly enshrined in Welsh law. Certainly in Scotland the only way they could stop it applying is to close holyrood completely. Otherwise the ECHR would still apply north of the border.
Leaving the EHCR is like Rwanda/Ascension Island and the rest of their unworkable nonsense! It won’t survive first contact with reality
It was never intended to be a genuine policy, just the opposite of virtue-signalling to shore up their core voter base of racist simpletons who believe everything they read in the Daily Mail
This whole thing is just noise to take up bandwidth in what laughably passes as political analysis in our press and get everyone arguing about an issue that could be resolved by processing applications in a timely fashion. It's working.
Suella Braverman isn’t putting asylum seekers on the Bibby Stockholm, which is what we are currently discussing, because of brexit
When we were part of the EU the French were obliged to accept refugees from us under the Dublin agreement.
So you are saying that the increase asylum applications to the UK is due to brexit. Irrespective of that it doesn't dictate how they should be housed.
I know that Suella Braverman claims that she has no choice but to use barges, and now Labour are making similar claims, but I don't think that is actually true.
So you are saying that the increase asylum applications to the UK is due to brexit.
i didn't say any such thing. you claimed the current situation wasn't anything to do with brexit. we had the right to return immigrants to a 'first place of safety' under the agreements we were signatory to as part of our EU membership.
Further info and stats on the Dublin arrangements here, for those who may be interested. The actual number of transfers were quite low.
How did it affect asylum claims in the
UK?
For many years the number of people transferred out of the UK under
the Regulation was greater than the number of people sent to the UK.
Since 2016, the opposite has been the case: the UK received more
people than it successfully transferred to other participating states. Most
transfers to the UK were due to the family reunion articles.
Recent immigration statistics (July 2020) give figures for incoming and
outgoing transfer requests in 2019:
• The UK received 2,236 requests from EU member states to accept
transfers of individuals to the UK, and 714 transfers took place.
The majority of these (496) were from Greece.
• The UK made 3,259 transfer requests to EU member states, and
263 transfers took place. 40% (104) went to Germany and 20%
(53) went to France.
you claimed the current situation wasn’t anything to do with brexit.
I said that housing asylum seekers on barges instead of hotels has nothing to do with brexit.
Both Germany and the Netherlands housed asylum seekers on barges despite not leaving the EU.
I really dont see what is wrong with housing people on barges whilst their claims are processed. Those in genuine fear for their safety are safe, fed and accommodated. Those who are economic migrants are then in a place of safety and if their claims are unfounded at least we know where they are so they can be deported
Oh come on. Its all a part of the hostile environment - the idea being to make people feel so unwelcome or to put them in fear so they do not go forward with their legitimate claims. The vast majority are found to be legitimate
Its also a dog whistle to their hard right supporters. 500 people max out of many tens of thousands is insignificant. its also more expensive than using hotels and much more expensive than actually processing claims
its using vulnerable people as political pawns
chrismac - IF that's what you really believe, you are deluded.
I really dont see what is wrong with housing people on barges whilst their claims are processed.
I have lived on similar things for up to 6 weeks at a time.
However, I was getting paid and was busy and motivated to be there.
I also know how to keep my head straight in that environment, how to keep my own space and how to give others space.
A bunch of young men, who have never lived like that before, bored with nothing to do, nowhere to go, it will quickly turn into a pretty toxic environment.
I don't think it's inherently dangerous but it's it will be grim and is costing more than luxury apartments.
I really dont see what is wrong with housing people on barges whilst their claims are processed. Those in genuine fear for their safety are safe, fed and accommodated. Those who are economic migrants are then in a place of safety and if their claims are unfounded at least we know where they are so they can be deported
I think, in very simple terms, the concept for temporary housing is not fundamentally flawed. Its just almost every aspect of how they are doing it that is flawed:
- it is horrendously expensive.
- it actually accommodates hundreds of people at best but there are tens of thousands of applicants.
- the backlog of applications and inefficiency in the process means this isn't some holding centre for a few weeks whilst the paperwork is done but likely to take many months or years.
- this is an adult male only facility, that will neither be good for building a community or diffusing tensions when they inevitably arise.
- effectively its not far off being a prison; institutionalizing genuine asylum seekers because our systems are crap is pretty evil.
- its intended to be uninviting to put people off coming, and send a message to voters that refugees don't come here and get treated better than locals.
<p>I agree its no substitute for getting on an processing claims in a timely manner. That is almost certainly the best solution. However we aren’t in that position.</p><p>Fundamentally I dont see the problem with having claimants held in controlled places and provided for than left to fend for themselves somewhere in the community relying on the benefit system. What happens when claims are completed and rejected? Let’s face it those in that position are hardly likely to surrender to immigration for deportation and those with genuine claims are safe and protected from the persecution they are escaping from.</p><p> </p><p>Yes this should be temporary and the government should get its act together to process claims in a timely manner</p>
Following the recent media coverage criticising and attacking one of our partners, Jacqueline McKenzie, and many other immigration lawyers we wanted to publicly state our complete support and admiration for the work that Jacqueline, her team, and many other lawyers around the country do to ensure that the law is applied accurately to their clients’ cases.
We understand that a briefing criticising Jacqueline was sent from Conservative Campaign Headquarters (formerly known as Conservative Central Office). This four-page briefing had many inaccuracies and was plainly sent with an agenda for Jacqueline to be singled out and targeted by the press.
It is shocking and shameful that in a democratic society such a document could be sent from any political party, not least the party in government. It is both irresponsible and extremely dangerous for anyone to be targeted this way, as we sadly saw in September 2020 when an immigration lawyer was attacked at his office by a man brandishing a knife, which reportedly followed comments by the then Home Secretary Priti Patel.
The document centred on Jacqueline’s supposed links to the Labour party and her work on a multi sectoral group chaired by Baroness Doreen Lawrence to examine race disparities in the UK which she was invited to volunteer for. Omitted from the briefing was Jacqueline’s involvement on another group chaired by Priti Patel MP on the Windrush Scandal and the 90% of her work which is focused on legal support for victims of the Windrush Scandal.
Jacqueline is a well-respected expert with decades of experience in her field of asylum and immigration law and it should not be a surprise that political parties may seek her expertise when working on policies.
Lawyers should not be criticised for doing their jobs. People are entitled to have legal representation when faced with removal from the country, or indeed being moved to accommodation which may be unsuitable. Many of the clients represented by Jacqueline’s team have been through trauma, torture or incredible hardship. In a civilised society they should be treated with compassion and understanding as well as having the law applied accurately and fairly to the individual circumstances of their case.
While the work we do as a firm is not always popular we strive to provide access to justice to all whether that is bereaved families who need help finding answers through the inquest process, those who have been seriously injured on our roads, employees who have been discriminated against by their employers and international communities who bear the brunt of multinational corporations wreaking havoc on their local environments. This commitment to access to justice for all extends to those seeking asylum in this country or who need support with their immigration status.
We are proud of the work we do and will not be cowed by a government whose strategy appears to be to attack and demonise lawyers, and the judiciary, merely for working to ensure the laws of this country are upheld.
On behalf of all partners at law firm Leigh Day
And the Daily Telegraph is using the Tory dossier to vilify a lawyer working to help those seeking asylum:
It would appear from the Daily Telegraph that stopping the government from acting illegally is nothing to be proud of:
A key member of Labour’s race equality task force is a top asylum lawyer who boasted of blocking a client’s deportation to Rwanda.
I'm lovin' this btw:
"While we are doing everything we can to stop the boats, Starmer and his activist friends are doing their best to sabotage our efforts so they can use it for cynical political gain.”
Yep that's correct, Suella Braverman accused others of taking a stance for "cynical political gain".
I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't read it in the Daily Telegraph.
“While we are doing everything we can to stop the boats, Starmer and his activist friends are doing their best to sabotage our efforts so they can use it for cynical political gain.”
Yep that’s correct, Suella Braverman accused others of taking a stance for “cynical political gain”.
But but but...
Rishi said that stopping the boats is a major priority of the British People, he said it repeatedly.
If Labour sabotage that, then how can they make any political gain? Cynical or otherwise?
I said that housing asylum seekers on barges instead of hotels has nothing to do with brexit.
I missed this…
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/family-firm-profiteering-misery-providing-30584405
Family firm 'profiteering from misery' by providing migrant barges donated £70k to UKIP
The Langham family, owners of Langham Industries, is now set to profit from an 18-month contract with the Home Office to let the Bibby Stockholm berth at Portland, Dorset
If you see Brexit as something more positive than simply “sticking it to foreigners”, then obviously using asylum seekers as a distraction othering to try and win back voters has nothing to do with Brexit. For everyone else, it’s blindly obviously the same approach to winning/gaining/keeping power in order to make money from holding it.
Predictable twist no.1
Predictable twist no.2
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/asylum-seeker-tb-told-move-30678182
Someone will be doing the full "Malcom Tucker" right now.
No doubt there will be a firm of specialists, with ties to a donor, about to go in and clean it for a hefty fee.
The level of incompetency on top of the level of inhumanity is amazing to comprehend!
How long before 30p lee says...****in' 'ell, if they don't want legionella they shouldn't come here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-66476538
Am I just being an arse, but I really dislike the BEEBs use of the term migrant to describe the barge 'guests'. Should it not be asylum sneakers? Migrants is just falling into the right wing of the tory parties/daily mail intentional demotion of status language.
I'm really struggling to work out if I loath the likes of Braverman and all the other cockwombles more or less than the middle aged and oap loathsome daily mail reading arsewipes who have lived the safest, smallest and most priveldged of lives for whom all this shite bollox talk and posturing is indented to ameliorate. i.e do I loathe my father in law or Braveman more - it's a close call - both are so so very punchable.
How long before 30p lee says…****in’ ‘ell, if they don’t want legionella they shouldn’t come here.
I think Lee would voice it in an even more 'salty' or 'fruity' manner
These 2 terms have been used by Tory Campaign HQ (as its now known) to refer to 30p Lees latest abusive, national front tribute act, football-hooligan-esque outburst
A former Tory speech writer was on the Radio this morning and his take was that Rishi will have basically told Anderson to go out and say precisely what he said. Then all the other senior Tories could row in behind it, starting with the opening gambit "well, of course, I wouldn't have used that language myself, but Lee makes a valid point..."
And our politics is debased yet further by these cynical, rabble-rousing shysters
How long before 30p lee says…****in’ ‘ell, if they don’t want legionella they shouldn’t come here.
Either that or he'll claim that the risk from Legionella is non-existent and that it's only because of leftover EU red tape that they have still had to test for it. (It's never been an EU thing, the UK legionella testing regime is tougher than most of the EU!).
FWIW - Legionella risk is not usually as bad as people make it out to be, but the factors that drive it are very well known (like plumbing systems that have been sitting unused for long times), and solutions for managing it before you bring people in and expose them quite readily available. Its a spectacular **** up. If it is bad enough that they really need to move people out, there's something very very wrong with the risk management on site. The fact they know about it at all sounds like last week someone went "oh we should maybe get the water tested (usually a 10-14 day process)". There are faster tests available that should probably have been used given the risk factors involved, if there's been no mitigations in place for weeks. The other things you don't want to do is put immune compromised people near infected water - so Predictable twist no 2... is event worse than it would have been.
convert - I hope you don't mean 'asylum sneakers' as that would be much worse than BBC referring to migrants.
binners - if only an interviewer/presenter would say...anderson's comments are foul mouthed, insulting and referring to them as salty/fruity effectively endorses racism, panders to bigots and represent a little englander mentality.
I would expect the barge crew to be performing those tests at regular intervals.
As far as I am aware, the engineers on the cruise ships I worked on, did the tests onboard. They may of also sent samples to confirm.
Sounds like they jumped the gun and went in before the sample results were returned as they take a couple of weeks to turn round.
convert – I hope you don’t mean ‘asylum sneakers’ as that would be much worse than BBC referring to migrants.
😀 - yes that's a pretty good predictive text typo! Braverman would thoroughly approve.
made me laugh as I assumed it was tongue firmly in cheek!
I would say that the Legionella thing was supprising but alas it really isn't.
Annecdotaly when looking into optimising my plumbing last year and lowering flow temps and things like that, the subject of Legionella came up, and cases in domestic applications in the UK are pretty much zero aside from the odd anomaly.
I can't remember the figures but something like 99% of cases are outbreaks due to unmaintained air conditioning and plumbing in commercial/industrial buildings.
Quel supprise.
<p>Usual gibberish from our fav forum right wing ****</p>
Thank god I’m back longer a taxpayer
Presumably you mean 'no longer a tax payer'. But yet you are, indirectly, you still have to pay tax such as council tax and VAT to name the obvious ones.
Car insurance up 40-50% too, do you drive? Food more expensive etc. etc.
this ongoing invasion
I'll fix that for you:
Ongoing lack/underfunding of border enforcement even when in the EU we failed as a country to use the tools available.
And ongoing lack of actually bothering to actually process asylum seekers. Those with genuine claims are lumped in with illegal immigrants as it suits the tory narrative.
(if they bothered turn applications around in weeks rather than years, it would litterally save billions in over-inflated accomodation contracts.)
And ongoing giving of said contracts to Tory shills/bent busnessmen.
I can see a pattern of operation here, and it has nothing to do with dealing with the asylum backlog.
Presumably you are retired, so also don't get ill. The doctors are on strike again.
I'm trying to find and article to reference it, but I'm 100% Theresa may essentially opened our borders during her tenure as home sec. before she became PM.
She basically deemed it a waste of money to event attempt to police, and commanded border forces to pretty much wave them through with zero checks or process, rather than pay for better controls.
Now this same party is saying we have a crisis. well, maybe we do, but if we do, it's a Tory crisis, created by tory government decisions. Voters have very short memories.
Watching channel 4 news, this whole think gets more shambolic and farcical by the minute.
So much for ‘Stop the Boats’ Week? What a bunch of ****ing clowns!
Christ only knows what all this nonsense and the rolling car crash of Rwanda is costing
Given that we’re talking about housing 750 people, tops, with both those schemes, we must be well into the billions by now. It’d be cheaper to put them all up in suites at the Ritz?
Given that we’re talking about housing 750 people, tops, with both those schemes, we must be well into the billions by now. It’d be cheaper to put them all up in suites at the Ritz?
Jobs for the boys, innit. Tories gotta get rich(er) somehow.
Nothing to do with tax payer value for money. Career politicos looking to do no work and retire comfortably.
I really dont see what is wrong with housing people on barges whilst their claims are processed
I wouldn’t have an issue with it either if there were absolutely no alternatives. Which there are, far cheaper, more humane alternatives
this is first and foremost about punishing these people for having the ‘audacity’ to try to come to this country. It makes me xxxxing sick..
Ignore D*veyl*d, he admitted to me in a PM the other day he's just taking the piss. Not sure why he singled me out..but I just replied that he's a boring **** and should really keep quiet.
this is first and foremost about punishing these people for having the ‘audacity’ to try to come to this country. It makes me xxxxing sick..
It's not about punishing anyone, it's about appealing to the likes of @daveylad with an 'invasion ' narrative to shore up voters from the extreme right wing.
Never mind that the perceived 'invasion' is entirely of conservative manufacture, and any actual invasion, if there is such a thing, is, and has been, entirely preventable.
Let us not forget we have had a conservative government for the last 12 years, and with a sizable majority for most of that time, too.
That's enough space for any party to at least begin to enact thier vision, and who knows? it's kind of all going to plan from an extreme right wing conservative perspective...
Well, they’ve done it. They’ve stopped the boat.
That deserves a standing ovation! Bravo!!!!!!!!! 😀
martinhutch
Full MemberPredictable twist no.1
It almost passed me by but **** me that government response is proper banality of evil stuff.
"The government department added the bacteria samples relate "only to the water system on the vessel itself" and not fresh water entering the barge. It stressed there is no health risk to the wider community of Portland and that the disease "does not spread from person to person"
Yep, everything is fine because they've only endangered people on the barge, and you can't catch it off them. No real people are at risk
Also, is it just me or does legionella sound vaguely delicious? Like a desert you might get in a south asian fusion restaurant, or a spirit that comes in a really skinny square bottle that you drink on the last night of your alps holiday?
chrismac
Full MemberI agree its no substitute for getting on an processing claims in a timely manner. That is almost certainly the best solution. However we aren’t in that position
Deliberately, because of years of hard work from Theresa May and those who followed in her footstep to destroy the department responsible. The exact same people who now say they should be trusted to solve the problem they created. The same people who blame that problem for the "necessery" things they choose to do now.
Looks like she’s getting it in the neck from every angle this morning
Everyone to the left of Ghengis Khan thinks she’s inhumane and totally incompetent and now everyone to the right of Ghengis Khan (the Tory party MPs and membership) thinks she’s not inhumane enough, but still totally incompetent
Rishi will still leave her in place though, as he’s too weak to do owt else. He’s backed her up 100% on all this nonsense anyway, so it’s his fault as much as hers. They can take joint ownership of the whole bebacle