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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/31/woman-sorry-ben-nevis-rescue-selfie-stick
Was on local news this morning,send her the bill for the rescue !!
Indeed, and one would hope she'll making an appropriate donation to the local mountain rescue!
I am firmly in the camp of just leaving people like that to sort themselves out. And thats coming from a SAR background....
[quote=mountainman > http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/mar/31/woman-sorry-ben-nevis-rescue-selfie-stick
Was on local news this morning,send her the bill for the rescue !!
There wasn't any bill for the rescue. She was found and accompanied off by some other climbers/walkers
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you can read the less tabloid version of what actually happened [url= http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=637611 ]here[/url]
According to reports Albone decided to scale the mountain on the spur of the moment while part-way through a mountain biking tour of Scotland
Hope they found her bike.
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Press just lifted this straight off the UKC thread she started to thank the guys who helped her down. And the pics probably lifted off FB without her permission.
It's Britain's highest mountain, so you're always going to get people want to tick it and who underestimate the conditions at this time of year.
Thankfully, MR teams in this country don't leave hypothermic people, however foolish, to sort themselves out, as they would still have to walk up the hill to recover the body. A lot of callouts are due to idiocy in one regard or another, be it walkers, mountaineers or even MTBers.
Luckily she didn't have to wait for MR to arrive before getting shelter, food and support. Reckon she would have been in big trouble.
Her less tabloid version is still an absolute head scratcher. Its the highest hill in the UK, its March and if you have eyes you can see there is snow on the hill. It's cold, if you are alive and breathing you will notice that. Yet you chosse to climb up a 'bit' in your shorts and shoes, in snow (as clearly your shorts were covered). At some point surely you realised that it could go wrong. Honestly. What a load of balls, I'm pleased you will go and get some education but FFS use your brain and common sense first.
Yup, a regurgitated UKC post, MRT didn't even turn out.
Whoever wrote that story by piecing together the story from the post hasn't even bothered to check what the real names of kit are, recommended you take poles and an ice pick, erm OK.....
Then they just tag on the bottom three other deaths just for the hell of it, idiots.....
Just for a bit of alternative news, call outs to deal with MTB incidents up 185 percent across Cumbria.....
Yeah but, selfie stick.
Hang on... SELFIE STICK.
There, got it.
RM.
Original story/thread here.
http://www.ukclimbing.com/forums/t.php?n=637611
1600m or thereabouts, as hills go it's not that big, and in decent weather you can be up and down in a few hours. OK not in winter in shorts, but people do run up/down the track, even I've jogged it, it's hardly the matterhorn.Her less tabloid version is still an absolute head scratcher. Its the highest hill [b]in the UK[/b],
its March
It's been 13C and Sunny for most of the past fortnight down south at sea level. Easy-ish to forget it's winter.
Yet you chosse to climb up a 'bit' in your shorts and shoes, in snow (as clearly your shorts were covered). At some point surely you realised that it could go wrong. Honestly. What a load of balls, I'm pleased you will go and get some education but FFS use your brain and common sense first.
Can we start another "Do you wear shorts to go mountain biking in winter" thread so all the hard men can come out and extol the virtues of their skimpy wardrobe choices.
Pretty easy to set off walking, it gets a bit cooler as you get going, and a bit cooler, nearly there, almost there, bugger better turn back, and find that actually you've now got to spend the same time again walking back and you're already cold.
Not saying she's not a bit daft, but doesn't deserve quite this level of tabloid venom!
She made it to the top, then waited for the guys she met up there to pack up their climbing gear for the walk back down, arguably a very sensible thing to do in the conditions, and good to admit when you've made a mistake. Alternatively, maybe if she hadn't waited she wouldn't have caught hypothermia and would have made it back to her car and we'd never have heard of her?
I am firmly in the camp of just leaving people like that to sort themselves out. And thats coming from a SAR background....
Are most of the SAR professionals of your camp ?
Were you based near the sea..... 😈
I am firmly in the camp of just leaving people like that to sort themselves out.
I think most people think that until they end up needing help themselves, after all it will never happen to me etc.
As said above, with riding a MTB, often at night, in winter and in poor weather there is a very good chance we will need help at some point if we come off somewhere remote.
[edit] bin dun
She's clearly been very stupid. BUT:
I'd like to know where the Guardian find out about the story as it wasn't Mountain Rescue that carried her off - and I believe they will put stories in the press as a warning to the general public - ie: do the journalists just spend hours scouring the internet and then effectively write their own interpretation of the story in a way which captures attention (without actually speaking to anyone involved) in which case they need hauling over the coals for effectively making a story up.
I'm interested to know why this is front page on The Guardian - it's hardly that important and the number of people who harm themselves daily by driving like idiots or eating/drinking themselves into hospital is far far higher - so 'public interest' doesn't wash as an argument here...
Seems like they're just trying to make something from not a lot and victimise someone who made a mistake - and if you read her posts on UKC is fully aware and deeply apologetic!
Are most of the SAR professionals of your camp ?Were you based near the sea.....
Prrivately I think many would voice frustrations when you have to rescue people who could easily have not put themselves in a position of peril. I was based in the hills.
TINAS - It is Winter though and while it might have been 13 degrees somewhere - look up, its white, that's snow, snow is cold. I know its easy to get up it, yes you can run up it, probably in shorts in winter if you were quick enough and didn't feel the cold too much. But you wouldn't if you used common sense, or you would but take a phone, full set of gear, a hat at least. Jesus, something.
And yes I have been helped before, once at sea and once in the hills. Inexperience both times so it's not that I am being a completely judgemental pr1ck, i just can't stand this stuff, in both my cases we had a medical problem which meant even with the right gear we needed assistance.
Being an ex MRT member I would say that the vast majority would disagree with NZCol. Yes, it is frustrating and annoying sometimes to be called out to rescue the unprepared, but what’s the alternative?
It’s all part of the commitment to being an MRT member.
I’m pretty sure that other emergency services from the Ambulance Service through the RNLI to the RAC all attend “unnecessary” incidents but still treat the injured parties with commensurate professionalism and so do MRTs
There but by the grace of God we all go.
There but by the grace of God we all go.
Er, no. Actually.
Ermm it's not a head scratcher she has some mental health issues...
she's my niece 😕
Getting out into the countryside was supposed to be part of her recovery
Funnily enough when my [s]wife[/s]FB-by-proxy saw her selfie she said
"She doesn't look properly dressed..."
^ Bloody hell !
I wonder if all the 'should have left her to die' people will wind their necks in now it turns out she's a real person with relatives (who knew!).
Being splashed all over the press won't help at all. 🙁 Hope she's doing OK.
There's one on every hill. Cadair Idris at the weekend, hipster in shorts pulls up on the car park
"Is this the car park?"
"Is this Cay-der Eye-driss?"
"Is it a Munro?"
Saw him later on at the top hunched against the icy wind & rain, still in shorts although he might have put a hoodie on
"We made it!"
I swear some people take the piss
But you wouldn't if you used common sense
Who was the more daft, those that went out knowing the risk and went out to make it more difficult but went more prepared, or the one who went out not knowing the risks? She didn't know the risks, they probably had the mountain rescue number on speedial just in case. Who used less common sense, her waling up in shorts, or the climbers coming up the north face in winter even with all the gear. OK it's probably still her, but it's easy enough to make anyone look stupid when things go wrong. Is it somehow more right if god forbid the climbers had fallen and had to be rescued, which would probably have taken even more time and resources than getting someone off the tourist path? Just because they wanted the challenge of climbing it in winter (the hard way no less)?
If we all used common sense STW wouldn't exist because we wouldn't go out into the outdoors on 2 wheeled bikes capable of 40mph over rocky paths would we?
she's my niece
Is the rest of that post wise when the meeja are all over this like a tramp on chips currently? Not sure as it's info I'd want them to get hold of if I were her / you.
@Mr Woppit … really? Hands up all those who have done something silly and got away with it!
Nah … don’t bother. We’ve all done it and next time you’re riding down Walna Scar or The Gap, or somewhere similar, just have in the back of your mind what the consequences of a serious off might be.
But then, we all take that risk and 99.99% of the time get away with it.
Oh hello the armchair climbers are out again. "Leave her to die", "send her the bill".
She cocked up badly and got away with it. Not the first, won't be the last.
She looks fit.
To run up that hill.
I am firmly in the camp of just leaving people like that to sort themselves out. And thats coming from a SAR background....
And yes I have been helped before, once at sea and once in the hills. Inexperience both times
😆
hairylegs - Member
@Mr Woppit … really? Hands up all those who have done something silly and got away with it!Nah … don’t bother. We’ve all done it and next time you’re riding down Walna Scar or The Gap, or
"god"
There but by the grace of God we all go.Er, no. Actually.
Err yes Mr Woppit 🙂 according to my riding buddies who got the ambulance for you on Leigh Hill.
Are you confusing god with the ambulance service?
Strange.
Err yes Mr Woppit according to my riding buddies who got the ambulance for you on Leigh Hill.
😀
I'll expand it for you then.
We don't come or go by anything to do with god...
We have accidents entirely due to our own bad decisions coupled with the circumstances, although of course this whole post doesn't pack quite as much pith as just saying "Er, no. Actually" and assuming you'd get me...
PS: Of course I was hoping for "For goodness sake Woppit, don't bloody start that one again".
Oh well. 😉
We don't come or go by anything to do with god...
SMITE THE UNBELIEVER!... but provide him with emergency services to sort out the mess afterwards. 😉
Well, at least there WAS a wailing and gnashing of teeth. 😆
Followed by fart jokes...
LOL ... deeply philosophical debate arising out of the use of a commonly (mis)understood expression!! 🙂
She looks fit.To run up that hill.
Triathlete apparently.
deeply philosophical debate
Dunno about that. I was hoping for another interminable tail-chasing argument about the existence or non existence of this god thing. Hasn't been one for a while.
Massive troll fail, obviously.
There wasn't any bill for the rescue. She was found and accompanied off by some other climbers/walkers
Damn, now I'll have to get off my high horse.
Make sure you get a H&S review first.
Dunno about that. I was hoping for another interminable tail-chasing argument about the existence or non existence of this god thing. Hasn't been one for a while
Hadn't you heard? It's all been settled.
STW elitsm and snobbery at it's best here! Poor girl, she's inexperienced and made a mistake, many people do, I don't see why that makes her less worthy of a rescue she didn't need anyway. Maybe there's an argument she's more deserving of a rescue than those that intentionally put themselves in dangerous situations and expect a free rescue if they mess up. Hope it doesn't put her off the hills anyway.
I think this story tells us more about the media, syndication, forums, 'below the fold' comments and the internet's determination to grab the wrong end of any stick it can find.
Mountain rescues are a win-win situation anyway. Rescuees want to get rescued, rescuers join up cos they want to rescue people. No dramas. 🙂
I said much the same thing last week but it turns out that's not a defence to arson charges. 🙁
As far as I can remember there have been a fair few deaths in the hills recently, and they were all reported as 'experienced'
Her judgement of risk seems to have been at least as good as theirs.
I'm glad we live in a world where we can still take a few chances, or do something a bit daft, experienced or no.
🙂 at konabunny
I've been not far from the same mistake tbh- practicing at the dudes enduro, I was the last man on the hill and pushing my luck a bit for daylight when snow rolled in- at any time I could have just ridden down the road but it was always "I'll just do a wee bit more" "The snow's not a problem yet". I was absolutely out of it by the time i got off the hill, it worked out OK but it could have not, I mean I was so whacked I could have easily binned it or got lost...
Thing was, I never thought "I'll go out in the snow" "I'll push the daylight" "I'll push my luck with the snow", it's just that every minute and pedal stroke carried me a tiny bit further into a mess. Your standard incident pit really
She seems sound tbh.
She went on UKC in an effort to thank the people who helped her and was very candid about her error, and as far as I could see (the UKC thread might look different now, but when I looked at it), that honesty was appropriately acknowledged. I'm quite sure the purpose of LMRT publicly commenting on the incident is to highlight the dangers and try and reduce the number of times it happens, not have a go at her. The press obviously are a different kettle of fish.
I hope she's not upset by the press attention, seems to have gone quiet on that ukc thread unless I've missed replies.
How do you learn good judgement and decision making in the mountains? By making stupid mistakes in your formative years.
Granted this looks to be on the egregious side, but doesn't sound like it was in the clueless tourist mould. More like someone fit thought they could cane it up and down the Ben, but under-estimated the weather.
How do you learn good judgement and decision making in the mountains? By making stupid mistakes in your formative years.
This. As a student I remember setting out to climb Snowdon with my girlfriend of the time. About this time of year. I was wearing jeans and Caterpillar boots. I'm fairly sure we took no food whatsoever with us. As we started wading through the snow that covered the top third of the mountain, a park ranger who happened the other way looked us up and down and stopped for a chat, advising us politely but firmly to turn back. Which we did. With the benefit of hindsight, we were clueless about what we were undertaking. I'm no expert these days but I at least know some fundamental mountain safety and to head out properly equipped.
TBH I'm sure people like the girl in this 'news story' set out every weekend from the car park of every popular mountain in the UK.
set out every weekend from the car park of every popular mountain in the UK.More like someone fit thought they could cane it up and down the Ben, but under-estimated the weather.Absolutely spot on there!
I think we've all done that at some stage and got away with it like Northwind did.
I know for myself, now that I've been involved in MR and ML I have a different perspective on the risks involved in outdoor activities but continue to take them based on my own judgement (hate the phrase risk assessment!)which has been developed By making stupid mistakes in your formative years.
A bit daft, but as already said several times, plenty of us do daft things sometimes.
But why mention the selfie stick several times in one short paragraph?!
Well I for one will continue to dick around in the outdoors for the foreseeable, selfies will be taken (though I don't possess the stick), sometimes I'll be wearing shorts. I own several kinds of ice pick so no worries there. I wish her well.
But why mention the selfie stick several times in one short paragraph?!
Stereotypes.
Cyclists: Young, fit, enjoying life.
People with selfie sticks: Young, fit, enjoying life, photogenic.
People who comment on internet news stories: Old, fat, miserable, probably break lenses.
slowoldman - Member
Oh hello the armchair climbers are out again. "Leave her to die", "send her the bill".She cocked up badly and got away with it. Not the first, won't be the last.
They shoulda sent NZCol up in a 4x4 SUV to get her......
And the pics probably lifted off FB without her permission
If they are public on facebook you have given your permission
Thanks for the forum link with the real story from her
If they are public on facebook you have given your permission
#jambyfact
Actually the copyright still rests with the owner, facebook may use them for their own purposes IIRC but randon hacks can't just rock up and lift them. Personally I'd be invoicing them the going rate per pic used.
But you are not disagreeing with me are you ? News outlets have deals with fb don't they ? They can sue the image witha credit.
Actually no, I'm completely disagreeing with you.
The copyright resides with the holder, in this case the person who took the picture. The terms and conditions you agree to with facebook involve facebook being allowed use of the picture, not anyone else and even then the use is only internal advertising.
Newspapers have NO RIGHT AT ALL to use anyones pictures without their permission.
Always remember
Experience is something you acquire just after you needed it.
Squirrelking: facebook's reply is misleading (because the two people are talking at cross purposes). The T&Cs of Facebook do allow them to license others to use the text and images you upload.
Hmm, fair enough, just looked up T &Cs as I should probably have in the first place. Thank god I set everything to private.
Apologies to Jamby.