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Why do idiots always film with their phones in portrait?
Indeed annoys the hell out of me, classic first world problem
Haters have to hate as the Americans like to, slag Cameron off if he doesn't visit, slag him off if he does. Yawm.
Tough times, many people are going to be displaced for a long time. Has anyone seen any appeals which have been set up ?
Tough times, many people are going to be displaced for a long time. Has anyone seen any appeals which have been set up ?
http://campaign.justgiving.com/charity/cumbriafoundation/cumbriafloodappeal2015
Just got a mail from the Rosthwaite YHA, no flooding issues to date so looks like a few days Lakes riding this Xmas is still on - Hurrah!
So, what wetsuit for riding Warnscale Bottom... 😆
for fund raising see here for a link (no association just saw it on t' web)
https://twitter.com/cumbriacf
There may be others. [i]Edit, too late see above too[/i]
It brings it home (I am just near Kendal) when you hear of a work colleague who has to move out (Lyth valley) to a flat as daughters bedroom under water.
But as mentioned above you just have to get on with it.
... even if you live on a hill the road below will flood and someone in an electric (hybrid) car will stall and the car safety go into safe mode blocking the road;) yes this happened.
Ride safe as they say.
just been out feeding the locals and the scenes of devastation are rather striking. sad to see folk will all their belongings just stren in the streets
THM, masses of studies in this, probably easier to start from the practice and work backwards
On the plus side all the sanitised trails are no more 🙂
No one feeling sorry for themselves on my delivery in Staveley just cracking on with the job in hand! Eagle and Child flooded but ok and Wilfs and the Hawkshead brewery survived unscathed :-).
Bridges are in a bad state closed today but reopened late on
Of course by far and away the most significant impact of the floods is that I now have to cook christmas dinner now the swan at newby bridge is under water. Harrumph.
Things that come to mind are will insurance pay for all the flooded cars and how quick, majority of people need a car to get to work, or tradesmen who have lost use of their vans need to replace them quite fast, along with tools.
If youre not insured because you couldnt afford it, where will you live, and who is going to pay for repairs,to your home.
If youre old or disabled, who is going to help you clean up, move, cook etc,
Do you still have to pay rent and or mortgage if your house is unihabitable.
Will you ever be able to sell your ex flooded home, and if you do will its value plummet.
If the comapany is flooded out you work for, who is going to pay your wages, if theyre not insured for buisness interuption.
and lots more unanswered questions
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Amos from KMB was on Radio 4 at teatime - came across very well and definitely upbeat. Open for business today!
Staggered at the devastation. Watching the water come over the Glass barriers I was amazed. They must be 7' high those things. Still looking forward to coming up in two weeks. I have the best reason to spend more money on fine ale now knowing I'll be supporting the local economy.
Good luck you lot. If anyone can get over this disaster its the stoical Cumbrians!
BBC news has just reported Carlisle police are putting on extra patrols because of the fear of looting !! 😯
immigration isnt helping matters
I don't know, we're going to need plenty of builders
Sad to see the thread being turned political
immigration isnt helping matters
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fear of looting !!
There were a couple of scrotes nicking stuff on Cockermouth Main St today apparently.
teamhurtmore - Physical geography nerd here too. Those fellsides west of Helvellyn that drain into Thirlmere are forested in parts, but coniferous plantations on steep slopes with thin soil. Deciduous woodland would struggle to establish and even then wouldn't slow surface run-off and lag time much - especially after autumn leaf fall. It's no coincidence that 'our' floods happen in winter when the trees are bare of leaves. I was wading through two feet of standing water 10 days ago on the River Cocker floodplain, 3 miles upstream of Cockermouth. The Derwent was bankfull for days then and the ground saturated. We then had record amounts of rainfall and gales to bring trees down. The result is no surprise.
We've had recent river restoration work here ([url= http://westcumbriariverstrust.org/projects/river-restoration-strategy/whit-beck ]Whit Beck[/url]) - put in after Prince Charles visited after the 2009 floods.
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It worked beautifully, slowing down that tributary and using the rivers erosive energy across the floodplain. The new bridge in Lorton worked too - single span - it was right up to the peak of the arch
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The old bridge blocked, act as a dam and collapsed - like the Braithwaite and Pooley Bridge ones this time.
My pic from 2009 (BBC pic of the day - go me!)
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The defences along the River Cocker in town pretty much contained the water to the confluence with the Derwent in Cockermouth. Last time the Cocker took a short cut right along Main St and if you look back at the footage, you'll see the strength of the current in 2009, with motor boats struggling against it. This time flooding on the Main St was slow moving and at a much lower level.
Likewise, look at the amount of water those glass-topped walls in Keswick held back!
For me, the EA have done a pretty good job here. Without the recent works, Keswick and Cockermouth would be much worse off and we'd have been lucky to avoid fatalities.
Discussion point - how often in the Lakes do you see rivers held within stone built channels, concentrating the energy of any flood, firing debris downstream to the next arched bridge. Look at the Whit Beck works linked to above, where the river has been released from the stone channel and meanders have been re-instated. The farmer there lost no stock and there's less bedload/debris than last time. In less than a year, the wildlife benefits are evident.
Let rivers adjust and move and use up energy.
Record rainfall on saturated ground (steep, thin soiled fells) will always give record flooding.
Accept flooding will happen and adapt buildings.
The shops in Cockermouth were warned on Thursday and that warning was increased Friday. Most moved stock and are now sweeping out and mopping the tiled or stone floors they put in after the last flood. They'll be open before the week is out. It was months last time.
The newly built leisure centre in Workington is a planning cock-up - apparently the developers said that they could engineer out the risk of flooding....
Work with nature and concentrate on integrated solutions. Stop making it a political football - that just wastes resources.
Now get yourselves up here for the best biking, climbing, beer and sausage in England. We'll be out tomorrow night for soggy singletrack and Loweswater Gold.
Great post boxelder!!
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+2 boxelder, great post.
I'll be up in Ambleside mtbing then onto Daisey's caffe (and the obligatory mooch round Biketreks of course 😉 ) spending some money in the area on Saturday. They need money putting into the local economy more than ever. Looking at some of the pictures on tv was horrendous (growing up in the area I recognised a lot of images)
However even during the worst of the flooding Cumbrian's can still make a joke out of it, both these were on a Cumbrian FB page
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Soooo happy I've now got my indoor swimming pool. It's not heated but beggars can't be choosers!
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Nice one Boxelder.
Cheers boxelder. Great post and sentiments
Love the Whit Beck case study.
FWIW, I read that W side of Helvelkyn was being used as a case study for mixing types of trees. Still not enough. Some blog from grasmere shows big landslips higher up on the exposed fell side.
Interested in that pic of the meandering river, which is the natural coarse of events on flat wide valleys, ox bow lakes and such like. However on steeper ground water/rivers will always find the quickest way down. When in flood doesn't the river attempt to "straight line" its route?
Sorry to upset some people on here but more people ,means more housing means less land to absorb surface water. Ruthin has seen a prime example of in appropriate developement
I mentioned George Monbiot a few days ago. Here's his opinion in today's paper.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/07/hide-evidence-storm-desmond-floods-paris-talks ]Flood management[/url]
I mentioned George Monbiot a few days ago. Here's his opinion in today's paper.
He's got some good points. However the way he chooses to make them and the timing of it, seemed to put him squarely in the firing line for farmers and businesses who have once again been flooded.
Apparently it's disrespectful to bring it up while they're still mopping out their front rooms or it's disrespectful to blame the farmers who are trying to make a living from the very land that now lies under 2ft of water.
But yes, his point stands, it's not one solution of building ever higher barriers, it's a whole raft of measures, some of which people really don't want to hear. It's easier to just blame the EA for not building the barriers high enough...
He's got some good points. However the way he chooses to make them and the timing of it, seemed to put him squarely in the firing line for farmers and businesses who have once again been flooded.
He's been making these points for quite a while, he even wrote a book that talked about it quite a bit - maybe they should have listened to him...
He was on Radio 4 this morning with some guy from the NFU who basically refused to engage with the points he was making and remained insistent that they needed more dredging and higher walls.
He was on Radio 4 this morning with some guy from the NFU who basically refused to engage with the points he was making and remained insistent that they needed more dredging and higher walls.
A bit like this...
He needs to watch himself...
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Monboit mixes the points to maximum advantage not least the 1:100 risk and the whole issue of dredging.
Dredging is not, and never has been, a simple solution and the risk that it solves one problem (improves river capacity in one area) while creating another (increased risks of flooding downstream|) is taught in basic GSCE geog?!? Has anyone suggested it is a cure all?
Now then, form a queue, who wants to engage with THM in the argument nobodies having at the moment?
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Flooding on this scale used to be described as a “once in 100 years”, or 200 years event. But in Cumbria, where some 30cm of rain fell in 24 hours, this is the third such catastrophe since 2005. Exceptional events are, perhaps, no longer exceptional.
This is simply a misunderstanding or deliberate misuse of statistics. Not an argument at all. Ditto, dredging is not a simple yes/no issue.
And on the ground plenty of debate re dredging including residents who are blaming a lack of dredging as an issue.
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Flooding on this scale used to be described as a “once in 100 years”, or 200 years event. But in Cumbria, where some 30cm of rain fell in 24 hours, this is the third such catastrophe since 2005. Exceptional events are, perhaps, no longer exceptional.
ever rolled more than one six in a row?
Was just ribbing you but yes he is sensationalising, like his claim that the floods could be avoided all together, total bollocks but then his job is to fill column inches and sell advertising space. Guess what George 100% natural rivers still flood. Catchment landscape management is the key to minimising risk to built up areas though he's right on that.
You can't blame people for thinking that the most obvious and established option is the right one though can you? People who aren't knowledgeable in a field in not knowing latest thinking in field shocka.
According to Monbiot all global climate issues could be fixed by ending sheep farming.
According to Monbiot all global climate issues could be fixed by ending sheep farming.
That's part of the perception issue - the Lakes has for decades presented itself to tourists as "unspoilt wilderness" so that's what people imagine it is as they drive through it and there's all the pretty sheep and fields and little drystone walls. And when they want to get out for a walk there's all the neat little stone / gravel paths up the hill and down the hill via a cafe or two and it's all "natural" and "unspoilt".
Reality is of course that it's far from unspoilt; while it might still [b]look[/b] pretty, it's been extensively managed and farmed and altered for centuries and every time you put in some upland paths or drain some bog to allow grazing, you're giving the water one more easy option to come off the hill as fast as possible.
That's an extremely basic presentation but the problem is far more complex than simply "dredge the rivers"; you need to manage the water from the moment it hits the ground, not just let it get to the rivers then worry about how to deal with it once its 30ft deep and racing along taking trees with it.
Cheers stabiliser!!
Like others, I am just a closet physical geography nerd!!
The review of the past floods and the schematic diagrams/different solutions is interesting - but cant find the link now! and I am hungry...so off for lunch
Even friends of the lake district have dropped the preserve it in aspic mantra these days and their socks are as red as can be. We're currently paying farmers (a pittance) to farm sheep on the fells when that land could be much more productively used as a carbon/flood water sink. Pay them to manage upland woodlands instead, innit. Harvest it for biomass to give them a crop. winner winner chicken dinner.
Just last week I booked a holiday cottage (with a nice little stream out the back) up a little ravine out the back of Thornthwaite.
I hope its survived ok, the owners havent been in touch yet...
Interesting views Boxelder. Radio 4 had 2 blokes on this morning. One had similar views to yourself, and one had almost polar opposite. Worrying thing was that they both were involved in advising the government.
I agree that we could and should use all sorts of incentives for farmers to diversify, including the value of the land for recreation, conservation and carbon and water sinks.
But, as said above this is massive culture change for landowners, locals and visitors alike.
I also 'get' the rewilding stuff and claims, but am confused by how/why/when of it, and if this is still too narrow a view of the world. A 'true' value of the land we now have (ie not really 'natural') is in many more things than pure, empty wilderness of a bygone age. I think we need a much more pragmatic approach.
Guess what George 100% natural rivers still flood.
Where did he argue that they don't?
Where did he argue that they don't?
He specifically said they did, just in a more managed way, with slower build up and release....
boxelder - Memberteamhurtmore - Physical geography nerd here too. Those fellsides west of Helvellyn that drain into Thirlmere are forested in parts, but coniferous plantations on steep slopes with thin soil. Deciduous woodland would struggle to establish and even then wouldn't slow surface run-off and lag time much - especially after autumn leaf fall.
There was quite a lot of stuff cut out of that forest in 2013 and there were a few new bits of fire trail constructed in there above and parallel to the A591. I did think of this when I first saw the landslides next to Thirlmere.
Anyway, in case it's not already been posted, there's a 2015 Cumbria Flood Appeal page people can donate to:> http://campaign.justgiving.com/charity/cumbriafoundation/cumbriafloodappeal2015
He specifically said they did, just in a more managed way, with slower build up and release....
I was being rhetorical 😉
(Degree in Environmental Science, at Lancaster as it happens. We spent a fair bit of time on hydrology.)
Had all the rivers of Cumbria been rewilded in this way, there might have been no floods, then or now.
That's where he said it. Right there. I think with record rainfall of a foot and more across the mountains even the most resilient river system would struggle.
Geology, Keele, did **** all hydrology
[i]Moses - Member
I mentioned George Monbiot a few days ago. Here's his opinion in today's paper.
Flood management[/i]
Incidentally, where you you on Saturday night/sunday morning do you not think you could have been useful?
I agree with a lot of the above, some good posts from boxelder and then crazylegs, mattoutandabout etc. while I was typing this drivel…
As usual, Monbiot’s general intention is relatively sound, but his argument is typically opportunistic and offers a relatively superficial gloss to what is a much more complex situation. In conflating several issues in order to score cheap points he inevitably alienates others when a more nuanced and sympathetic argument showing a more comprehensive understanding of the situation would be (IMO) more appropriate*.
There is little argument with Monbiot that the level of rain experienced was unprecedented, that Governmental response to climate change is woefully inadequate, the current approach focuses on ameliorating problems in high risk areas rather than seeking long-term solutions upstream, that dredging usually succeeds only in shifting problems elsewhere, that current land management practices and subsidies are problematic. And I’d tend to agree with his bemoaning an “illiterate media” that fails to hold those in power to account – sadly he is the go-to journalist for these kind of stories and his reactionary analysis hovers around the level I’d expect of a cocky 1st semester undergraduate.
In many circumstances there are clearly arguments for increasing vegetation (and with it biodiversity and perhaps aesthetic, and even economic value), and engineering of watercourses, but solutions can’t simply be copy-pasted from one location to another as boxelder points out. Due to the vagaries of topography, geology, climate etc. (not to mention the differently patterned and competing pressures of land use, ownership, and policy interests) it is a subject that requires much more considered thought than Monbiot is willing (or able) to offer.
It’s easy to find scapegoats for the floods – farmers, governments, the Environment Agency, urbanisation, immigrants (!)whoever – and case studies of good practice. In doing so, Monbiot opens up an apparent contradiction which he fails to acknowledge. When citing a positive example of reengineering carried out in Ennerdale and apportioning blame for flooding elsewhere squarely at hill farming he seems unaware that much of the grazing in the areas which have contributed to flooding occurs on land (either commons or tenanted) that is not owned by farmers. In fact, the scheme he cites approvingly is on National Trust land.
Within the areas of Cumbria hit by highest rainfall the largest landowner by far is the National Trust (over 20% of the National Park IIRC), who incidentally are also responsible for the management of an extensive amount of land in addition to that which they own. The Lowther and Lonsdale estates are obscenely huge, but even together they aren’t half as large as the NT. Then you have other large landowner/managers such as the hedge-funded United Utilities (Haweswater & Thirlmere for example) and the Forestry Commission, and then smaller (but still very large) private estates, and the National Park Authority. If you map these onto the landscape you can see the large water catchment areas that the National Trust, Forestry Commission and large, private estates directly influence through their policies and practices.
Now if you’re to praise the NT for one thing they are up to in Ennerdale, it is hardly even-handed to criticise the many NT tenants who work the land in accordance with management agreements drawn up (some might say imposed) by NT and wider policy frameworks but not the NT directly. To point the finger at those farmers who neither own their grazing lands nor are in a position to effect changes to land and watercourse management, nor the many policy agreements in place that guide them is pretty harsh. In the pecking order of land management in Cumbria, sheep farmers hold very little power to influence strategies at the landscape scale – less I would suggest than the FC, the NPA, and the NT certainly.
I’m not picking on the NT to claim that they NT are a load of bollocks (though I do have concerns about their “vision” for the future of the UK, their public accountability, and political influence), or that they’re great (but they do some good stuff) – it’s just the way in which Monbiot chooses to use these examples appears something of a contradiction. Almost as if he is trying to shoehorn current events into a simplistic, preconceived narrative. Ultimately it requires more energy and more resources, but that is only going to happen if people are engaged and able to engage with the issues at hand. In that respect I find Monbiot reliably counterproductive.
*On Radio 4 admittedly he is not helped by the tediously formulaic interviewing on the Today programme which nowadays appears to desire to create heat rather than light. More and more like a Chris Morris parody every week. Precisely the video binners linked to came to mind for me as well.
FunkyDunc - Member
Just last week I booked a holiday cottage (with a nice little stream out the back) up a little ravine out the back of Thornthwaite.I hope its survived ok, the owners havent been in touch yet...
Hi FunkyDunc,
There's a strong possibility you've booked my neighbours' holiday let in Thornthwaite. Their own home has been flooded out in the centre of Keswick so they're dealing with that madness at the moment. However, I believe their holiday let is fine. Send me an email (address in profile); if we are talking about the same holiday let, I'm happy to be a go-between if it helps.
Amos at KMB posted this (Facebook via Twitter) - help spread the word!
This is what we emailed and @ # tagged to as many influential people and organisations as we could. Why don't you like, share, comment & email about htis to any one that you can think of:Hi There,
Apologies for bothering you at a busy time, but I feel that this issue needs to be addressed with a sense of urgency.
Would there be the possibility to consider the inclusion of a new cycle track when planning the re-building of the A591 at Dunmail Raise after the damage caused by Storm Desmond?
This could be a perfect opportunity to create a lasting legacy out of the heart ache and suffering that has been caused by Storm Desmond for the people of Cumbria and beyond.
I am certain that you would find an enormous groundswell of support with this idea in the way it helps to symbollically connect the Southern and Northern Lakes after such a catastrophic event.
Perhaps you would be kind enough to forward this to the relevent person(s).
Many many thanks
Amos Doron
Keswick Bikes Ltd
Any updates on any of the trail resurfacing that has been taking place in the national parks? Has it held?
As usual, Monbiot’s general intention is relatively sound, but his argument is typically opportunistic and offers a relatively superficial gloss to what is a much more complex situation. In conflating several issues in order to score cheap points he inevitably alienates others when a more nuanced and sympathetic argument showing a more comprehensive understanding of the situation would be (IMO) more appropriate*.
Indeed
Thanks for the interesting posts - seems a bit odd to be discussing these issues when people are suffering, so apologies if any questions/posts seem inappropriate in timing. No offence intended - just being nerdy!
Keswick Bikes. Yes we like that, good can come from the damage and disruption.
Sky had a piece from Glenridding and the amount of rock which been swept down and onto the roads is quite dramatic
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FunkyDunc - Member
Just last week I booked a holiday cottage (with a nice little stream out the back) up a little ravine out the back of Thornthwaite.
I hope its survived ok, the owners havent been in touch yet...
Hi FunkyDunc,There's a strong possibility you've booked my neighbours' holiday let in Thornthwaite. Their own home has been flooded out in the centre of Keswick so they're dealing with that madness at the moment. However, I believe their holiday let is fine. Send me an email (address in profile); if we are talking about the same holiday let, I'm happy to be a go-between if it helps.
Ooh, sounds like the one we stayed in a couple of months ago (Comb Beck) - sufficiently high above the beck that it should be ok, although surface water on the road might have got it a little. The owners had a farm down the road though, not a house in Keswick.
A WINDERMERE off road vehicle hire firm has offered to reimburse wedding guests after being accused of taking advantage of Cumbria's floods.
Am I right in thinking there was some other drama with these guys a little while ago??
Steve Coogan was stranded overnight in his 4x4 by a landslide near Thirlmere, he said he survived on nuts and berriers Bear Gylis style, except his were from M&S 🙂
great idea about implementing a bike lane up dunmail raise, very fast road in parts.
Does anyone know any of the companies that will be involved with sorting out the landslides/ bridge repairs/ other civl engineering projects? I'm a freelance Engineering Geologist and keen to help out (and also available). I'm trying to find out who is involved. Anyone got any contacts in the councils roads department?
great idea about implementing a bike lane up dunmail raise, very fast road in parts.
Quite fun if you could hold on. I managed my fastest on-road speed of 49mph down there. My mate went through the 30mph limit sign c50mph!
But, yes, good idea from KMB
Bajsykel:
Monbiot’s general intention is relatively sound, but his argument is typically opportunistic
Since the guy's been hammering about this for several years with little effect on the NFU, NT, etc, you can hardly blame him for repeating it. Only last month or so he was telling the National Parks body to get their policies changed. Fair play to them for inviting him. KNowing that government often makes new policies on the fly when faced with disasters, it seems a good occasion to remind them of other ways of managing water.
Ditto - during Helvellyn Tri* - kept thinking how much it would hurt if I came off in just at tri suit!!
Used a bit more brake down Kirkstone and even then almost hit a car
* lot of drafting in St J-in-T-V and then one bloke grabbed a van going along Thirlmere (Wrex Tri) and took a rest!!!
great idea about implementing a bike lane up dunmail raise, very fast road in parts.
Story now on bikebiz too.
I've got a feeling that the powers that be will be so desperate to get the road rebuilt and open again that they won't bother with a cyclepath. While it's an obvious and extremely sensible suggestion, things like that tend to need planning and consultation and risk assessment and cost-benefit analysis and both the general public and the politicians will be clamouring to just get the road open again.
Ironically, I bet it's a really nice ride at the moment, now there's no traffic on it!
I think before you begin to criticise someone such as the NT for their catchment management you need to understand the agreements which many tenants have and the difficulty the NT could have to influence some of these.
I believe it was the last Labour government that incentivised more intensive use of upland land systems without too much further thought to potential impact. There has actually been an interesting catchment study being led by the NT working with Exeter University on the Holnicote estate on Exmoor, looking at a complete catchment approach and how we can design space into a catchment system for flooding working with natural processes.
Flooding can not be managed on the meso-scale as it simply shifts the problem elsewhere but due to differences in landownership and competing priorities it is actually very rare that such a whole catchment approach can exist.
Family own a cottage in Portinscale next door to the Chalet café, it's under water for the 7th time, ruined again, gorgeous little place too, really feel for the people in the area who have had there businesses damaged yet again.
Story on FB saying the beck @ Glebridding has burst its bank again, hotel is asking for help with sandbags. Fark. It's rained here pretty solidly today, heavy as the last few days but not all day.
There has actually been an interesting catchment study being led by the NT working with Exeter University on the Holnicote estate on Exmoor, looking at a complete catchment approach and how we can design space into a catchment system for flooding working with natural processMore Beaver needed!
Glenridding is flooding again. 🙁
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Gut wrenching to think I was only up there 2 months ago , a nice little village ,really hope they get back on their feet soon
My first job was at the sailing centre:
Got married in Glenridding in May, really devastating to see this village getting torn a new one 🙁
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We've just booked a long weekend in Keswick next month. I shall defiantly eat cow pie in the George 😀
Had my hen do at the Glenridding sailing centre a couple of months ago. Sad to see the devastation there 🙁
Legalam Funny that ad there was a hen party where we stayed at the YHA ..middle of Sept wasn't you was it
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True. I was talking to a mate last night who lives on a farm near Keswick and even on land owned by the farmer, they are not at liberty to dredge/maintain watercourses without permission. (He said the absence of such work cause the river by their farm to block a bridge and then overflow its banks.)bajsyckel - Member
To point the finger at those farmers who neither own their grazing lands nor are in a position to effect changes to land and watercourse management, nor the many policy agreements in place that guide them is pretty harsh.
We are in keswick for christmas week. Can't wait.
Candlelight parade thing in Cockermouth tonight - should be a good night if anyone can make it (town is a bit gridlocked at the moment though...)
Also Taste Cumbria Festival is on all weekend: ( http://www.tastecumbria.com/festival/taste-cumbria-christmas-cockermouth/)
Community spirit is alive and well here (except for the thieving scrote who nicked my mates bike from his flooded shed on Gote Road - hopefully he/she will get what's coming to them :()
True. I was talking to a mate last night who lives on a farm near Keswick and even on land owned by the farmer, they are not at liberty to dredge/maintain watercourses without permission. (He said the absence of such work cause the river by their farm to block a bridge and then overflow its banks.)
He probably wants to do wirk to stop his land flooding which is the opposite of whats needed.
Legalam Funny that ad there was a hen party where we stayed at the YHA ..middle of Sept wasn't you was it
Yup, that was probably us. It was the second weekend in September, and it mainly consisted of pregnant ladies making me drink lots of alcohol. Good times
Flood warnings again in both Keswick and Kendal. Police warnings to stay away due to the conditions on the roads. 🙁
yip stuck in kendal
Drove back from bowness this morning, we were going stay longer but decided to get out of dodge. Was getting a bit nervous about Windermere rising overnight!!
🙄 Guess who booked a stay in Keswick in the New Year last week?