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He's probably thrown an immersion element in there, emptied the cupboard of beans and got himself an indoor jacuzzi.
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Hang on, has that gone too? Portinscale Bridge is the one at the north end of Derwent Water, the little cycle/foot bridge here
Reports of the demise of the footbridge are a little hasty - still there and awaiting inspection. The Portinscale bridge reported closed was the A66 road bridge, but it's fine.
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He is considering a swimming pool tax
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Hi All
We stayed at Bridge cottage off Forge road this August beautiful spot but right on the river,lower floor was only couple of feet above the river level then. Hope those ancient bridges which cross the river survive.
Saddened to see the old railway bridge in the previous posts,
Hope all are safe
It really is staggering seeing stuff thats been familiar since I was a kid now gone. People are looking at another long haul to get back to normality 😥
smartay - MemberHi All
We stayed at Bridge cottage off Forge road this August beautiful spot but right on the river, hope those ancient bridges which cross the river survive. Saddened to see the old railway bridge in the previous posts,
The upper stream side of the forge bridge has collapsed but I recall it did that at some time in the 80's as I remember having a look at it on BMX's so hopefully it can be fixed.
Hope those ancient bridges which cross the river survive.
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Our Kendal yard was under 5ft of water yesterday - loads of houses nearby as well. Grimness.
Staggering, leaning against the now missing wall having a drink back in the summer.
How did the houses around, it fare.
There was a caravan site just up from us Brandlehow? that must of been washed away
There was a caravan site just up from us Brandlehow? that must of been washed away
Wasn't one of the bridges destroyed by a mobile home floating down the river and smacking into it? That may have been Brandlehow, I saw a picture of a site which had lost 9 static homes, 2 of them into the river, the others just smashed up by the water but not actually carried off downstream.
Wasn't one of the bridges destroyed by a mobile home floating down the river and smacking into it?
Someone on Facebook said something along the lines of: "Yeah, sorry, I think that was one of ours. We've lost a few. Can we have it back please?" 😆
There was a caravan site just up from us Brandlehow? that must of been washed away
I do hope they had insurance, otherwise they've literally lost everything....
Has anyone in government noticed this yet? its clearly not as important as bombing some brown people. Maybe if a wheelie bin had been submerged in the Thames Valley.....
Dave's on his way (swoon) pretty soon he'll be announcing the value of the budget that the EA already have and committing to not immediately forgetting where he has just been - after all he gets his sausages from Borough Market and they come from that northy place he's just forgotten the name of and for the SE to be without totally traceable organic saltmarsh lamb would be worse than a suicide bomber in the elderflower presse factory
He'll turn up and blame the EA for spending less on flood barriers when they could have saved a few billion through efficiency savings. The EA will then politely point out he halved their budget....
Has anyone in government noticed this yet? its clearly not as important as bombing some brown people. Maybe if a wheelie bin had been submerged in the Thames Valley.....
It's a bit much to make it a North vs South thing. It certainly seems to have had a lot more attention than 2005 when we were sat in the middle of one of britain's largest peacetime evacuations not making it to the top of the radio news*.
*Not sure about tv, we didn't get power back for 8 days.
Not sure where this is but not what you expect a high street to look like;
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Lemonysam - with regard to the TV news this time, including the BBC, so not just comedy tabloid ITV news.... Some mental bloke stabbing someone in a tube station was the first item on. The fact that increasingly large chunks of Northern England was disappearing underwater at the same time was deemed secondary to that.
Make of that what you will
binners - MemberHas anyone in government noticed this yet? its clearly not as important as bombing some brown people. Maybe if a wheelie bin had been submerged in the Thames Valley.....
Sadly it's not quite that simple... in the Thames Valley a couple of years back now we had mass flooding too.. we lost several house sales because of it... You can't just make the water go away no matter how many resources you throw at it.
We had dozens of fire service crews etc, we had pumps working 24x7 for a week pumping it away.. more by luck that anything we stopped our house being flooded.
He'll turn up and blame the EA for spending less on flood barriers when they could have saved a few billion through efficiency savings. The EA will then politely point out he halved their budget....
Certain elements of the news are already trying to twist the conversation around to blaming the EA and the flood defences.
The problem with the news now is that basically all the drama is over, there's a limit to how much helicopter footage of flooded fields you can show so they've resorted now to interviewing the poor people trying to sort their houses, businesses and lives out and the hardworking MRT, emergency services etc - all of who have already been up for 36hrs and are probably not in the mood for dealing with asinine questions from idiots sticking a camera in their face and saying "the flood defences must be crap cos hey, your house is under 3ft of water..."
Some mental bloke stabbing someone in a tube station was the first item on. The fact that increasingly large chunks of Northern England was disappearing underwater at the same time was deemed secondary to that.
Sorry binners. A terrorist incident is much more newsworthy than a normal natural event that happens basically every year at some point. And is exactly the same each time it happens.
You can't spin that into a Southern centric news agenda rant.
It wasn't a terrorist incident though, was it? It was mental illness incident. They happen all the time. Just one that happened in London, so was therefore terribly important. More important than the highest rainfall ever recorded in the north, and the monumental amount of damage it was doing
You can't spin that into a Southern centric news agenda rant.
Watch me.... 😀
A terrorist incident
Hmm, one nutter stabs someone (non fatally) is hardly a terrorist incident in my book......
Happens all the time in London, just this one shouted Syria amongst his deranged ramblings....
We have the same Nirth/South divide in Scotland 😐
This is causing much debate here in Dumfries;
http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=12392
Given what's happened in Cumbria a rethink may be appropriate.... There is no simple solution, others are likely to suffer if this scheme goes ahead.
I'm not sure if it's our inept council that has been the cause of the delays in any scheme going ahead or not but Perth and Inverness managed to get their schemes implemented before Dumfries 🙄
Hope Brian at whinlatter bikes in Keswick is back on his feet soon. Everyone forgets the little shops
Needs better catchment management rather than building walls - just look at the fileds near threlkeld (now and attenuation scheme - but previoulsy) basically shifting all the water off the land as fas as possible, channelling a river in a town has the same effect, we need more trees, wetlands and sacrificial attenuation not more concrete.
(that said with foot of rain in 24hrs this incident was pretty unique and way outside what's modelled for even for re-wilding/sustainable flood schemes)
Hmm, one nutter stabs someone (non fatally) is hardly a terrorist incident in my book......
Someone? It was noteworthy, no matter how bitter and Northern you are.
Binners, have you ever considerd that London might actually BE more important than Manchester?
Someone? It was noteworthy, no matter how bitter and Northern you are.
It really wasn't. It was an exercise in hysterical, paranoid overreaction
Binners, have you ever considerd that London might actually BE more important than Manchester?
Not really the point, is it? Whats it got to do with Manchester? The question is: Is someone stabbing someone at a tube station more important than a massive amount of flooding over a huge area of the country? Tens of thousands without electricity, absolutely huge amounts of damage?With repercussions that will go on for years
Apparently so. So we all know where we stand, don't we? If we were ever in doubt. S'all I'm saying' dude!
Anyway.... whatevs....back on topic, it'll be interesting to see how Dave's going to spin this one when he makes his annual trip up north (there be dragons). Its only a few years back he was promising millions in flood defence investment, only to cancel a lot of that once it was out of the headlines.
And where are they going to land Air Force One?
oh dear a decent thread terns in to handbags at dawn. Give yourselves a shake
Just looking at the mountains of horrific pictures on the web this morning, looks like they'll have to rename Pooley Bridge to simply Pooley 🙁 An absolute nightmare considering some sewerage will be mixed in with rain water washing into people's homes.
Turning a thread about people haven't their houses wrecked into a north/south divide thing,bighitters lose touch with reality in their own little internet world shocker.
Hmm, one nutter stabs someone (non fatally) is hardly a terrorist incident in my book......
Eh??1!1!1! Course it was, he was brown, or something.
Binners, have you ever considerd that London might actually BE more important than Manchester?
You're right Molgrips, us plebish plebs really should know our place. Swoons@TheSouth.
As a London resident with quite a few friends in the Lakes and someone who plans on retiring there, if not earlier, given the extent of the damage to homes and businesses and the longer term impact on the local economy, this should be considered a national-scale crisis. But I suspect it'll drop out of the headlines soon enough and out of political consciousness...
Partly, the Lakes in my experience is full of friendly, resourceful and community-minded people and they'll pull together and deal with it without expecting massive amounts of outside help in a way which we probably wouldn't in London where we're massively dependent on government-provided infrastructure and commercial supply chains, I suspect people's response would be a lot less stoic!
It was noteworthy, no matter how bitter and Northern you are.
Yep, born and bred in that great Northern ghetto known as Cambridge. All those years down the Fenland coal mines and I'm still not bitter...
And I still don't think it's a terrorist incident, that's just 'political spin' gone mad.
Friends have just moved to about 6 miles up the valley from Garnet Bridge, they didnt get flooded but cut off and found a Crayfish walking along the flooded road trying to find somewhere safe. If the local wildlife is struggling what people must be going through is unimaginable.
Dave's on his way (swoon)
I'd give him a pair of wellies and invite him in to shovel some shit.
I'd give him a pair of wellies
he already has several sets, Hunters for weekends in the Cotswolds and then some cheap Asda ones he sent his aide out to buy so he didn't look too posh the last time he inspected flooding....
Before a visit to the flooded Somerset Levels in 2014, Cameron fretted that his pair of green Hunter wellies (£95) would be seen as too posh, so he dispatched an aide to buy some bargain boots from Asda. These were Dunlops, the cheap choice of every flood-savvy politician from Ed Miliband to Nick Clegg. Later, however, Lynton Crosby, the Tories’ election guru, discovered that one reason voters gave for believing that the PM was too posh was “seeing him on television during the floods wearing a shiny new pair of black wellingtons”. This is odd, because Cameron’s boots were green and not visibly shiny. But the anecdote shows the PM’s political antenna is sound – Philip Hammond, the former defence secretary, was mocked for tackling the Somerset floods in expensive Hunters – but his execution flawed. Presumably now when Cameron wears a new piece of clothing, he has a lackey scuff it up for him.
Fair enough. Apologies. Very crass and insensitive of me. I just mentioned it as it provoked an 'Oh FFS!!!" moment when I turned on the news on Saturday to see how Keswick was, and was met with it being led by a bloke being (non-fatally) stabbed at a tube station. Its just an interesting, yet entirely unsurprising, set of media priorities
We abandoned the national TV news at that point, and went to regional web feeds instead.
Thats my last word on it then. Apologies again
Ok so the comment about Manchester was a troll, I own up and apologise if it annoyed anyone properly.
However, in seriousness, I didn't say it was more 'important', I said it was more newsworthy. That means that people are more likely to be interestd in it, watch it, talk about it. News isn't based on what's important, it's based on what will stimulate people's interest. Otherwise we'd hear nothing else apart from atrocities, poverty and deprivation in far flung parts of the world.
I'd certain hope a whole lot more money is spent on the flood victims up North than the people wounded in the knife attack - and it will be - you can use that as a measure of importance if you like.
You're right Molgrips, us plebish plebs really should know our place. Swoons@TheSouth.
Somehwat lightheartedly - I'm not Southern, I'm Welsh, so if you want to have a downtrodden/oppressed/dismissed as irrelevant fight, then I fancy my chances 🙂
Oh and, website headlines:
BBC: Flooding
Guardian: Flooding/ISIS
Independent: ISIS (flooding sub-headline)
Telegraph: Flooding
Do you really have a problem?
An absolute nightmare considering some sewerage will be mixed in with rain water washing into people's homes.
Floodwater is nasty stuff; it's picked up every bit of fertiliser and manure off the land, mixed it up with raw sewage sucked from drains and septic tanks, added in things like petrol and diesel where it's undermined station forecourts, carried along drowned animals and it then deposits the whole lot in a filthy brown ooze of rotting vegetation and polluted mud.
Basically anything that has sat in it and absorbed it - wooden furniture, soft furnishings needs to be disposed of as hazardous waste, anything else needs thoroughly disinfecting.
Maybe Dave can help shovel some of it out...
I'm not Southern, I'm Welsh
I hadn't realised. I'm so, so sorry.
@binners. Apology accepted.
@footflaps. read my post properly put yourself in the place of those that really are suffering.
I hadn't realised. I'm so, so sorry. 🙄
jp-t853 - Member
oh dear a decent thread terns in to handbags at dawn. Give yourselves a shake
Almost too subtle.
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Some people on my Facebook feed were really quite shocked to hear of substations flooded, 55,000 homes without power, refuge centres being set up, people stranded etc (in Lancaster), and to see the extent of road/bridge damage in the Lakes. Maybe they just haven't been paying enough attention to the news...
Basically anything that has sat in it and absorbed it - wooden furniture, soft furnishings needs to be disposed of as hazardous waste, anything else needs thoroughly disinfecting.Maybe Dave can help shovel some of it out..
Or get him to sit in it for a while and then we can dispose of him as hazardous waste.
This thread is showing some of that left-wing hatred that the press are highlighting at the moment.
Pretty sure David Cameron's email address is easily available for you guys to send in some death threats.
Here's an official one :
https://email.number10.gov.uk/
or hand-written death threats can go here :
The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
Prime Minister
10 Downing Street
London
SW1A 2AA
This thread is showing some of that left-wing hatred that the press are highlighting at the moment.
And rightly so.
If you don't hate Cameron you are a failure as a human being.
Oooooooooooo - hark at 'im
I don't think hatred of the shiny headed cockwoble is specifically the exclusive territory of the left.
If you don't hate Cameron you are a failure as a human being.
😆
Sad to see the thread being turned political, but in the cold light of day rivers do tend to flood by increasing the height of the banks its moving the problem on somewhere down stream.
If you either are a believer or not in global warming with a wetter climate this is going to become more common event.
the existing homes will have to be flood proofed as much as possible, hard flooring concrete wall coverings etc but land is precious or this tiny island and building more homes on natural flood plains isn't going yo help.
immigration isnt helping matters, building firms can throw up new homes on said flood plains, walk away with the cash and leave it too EA, councils and insurers to sort out
Rant over
Or perhaps the house building firms may have to also invest in the local infrastructure in order to get planning bit more of a rant
A few minutes on the CW Herald pages shows the damages across the area 🙁
in the cold light of day rivers do tend to flood by increasing the height of the banks its moving the problem on somewhere down stream.
Is that actually a problem here though? I'm struggling to think of the massive flood defense upstream of Pooley Bridge.
Is it not just that an utterly mind boggling, ludicrous, riduculous, crazy, record breaking about of rain fell on already wet ground?
immigration isnt helping matters
Whhhhaaaaaa...?
Not wanting to sound like I'm playing devil's advocate, but did these places flood 100 years ago?
I'm asking as I know someone in Kent whose grandparents lived in some town where three rivers meet, and which made the news when it flooded 5-6 years ago, with the media screaming that the government and EA should "do something" as these riverside properties had flooded.
Old Pat just looked at the telly and said that her grandparents had lived in one of the cottages on the report and every November had moved all their belongings upstairs and lived on the first floor till February because it "always flooded".
This would have been early 1900s so I'm curious whether older locals in Cumbria would know if flooding - not necessarily as sudden as this weekend's - was a known risk 3-4 generations ago, which has been forgotten about more recently?
No; not that I can remember.
Plus, Coniston lake used to freeze over; it doesn't anymore.
global warming for sure.
Well, durrrr it's the [b]lake[/b] district! Much of the problem relates to agricultural land an upland catchment management with more area being better drained for pasture rather than wooded also 'bad' flood schemes of old have impounded rivers causing increase in flow rate and volume within the channel.
but yeah there were pretty catastrophic floods in Kendal in the 20's for example
Old Pat just looked at the telly and said that her grandparents had lived in one of the cottages on the report and every November had moved all their belongings upstairs and lived on the first floor till February because it "always flooded".
Good luck selling your house with that in the brochure....
Not wanting to sound like I'm playing devil's advocate, but did these places flood 100 years ago?
Yes. Carlisle had a famous flood in 1822 with water halfway up Rickergate which is... well... Almost exactly where is was on Saturday.
Listening to 5 Live it sounds unfeasibly grim up there. No power, cold, dark and miserable.
An absolute nightmare! 😥
AIUI highest river levels ever seen...
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Listening to 5 Live it sounds unfeasibly grim up there. No power, cold, dark and miserable.
...and Egremont didn't even flood.
To be fair, that description matches anywhere north of Leeds for 6 months of the year....
I'm asking as I know someone in Kent whose grandparents lived in some town where three rivers meet, and which made the news when it flooded 5-6 years ago, with the media screaming that the government and EA should "do something" as these riverside properties had flooded.
Yalding. I'm the Environment Agency Project Executive for the feasibility study in the Yalding Area. It's a long standing issue and an extremely challenging area to work in.
Whhhhaaaaaa...?
It's true, the border with Yorkshire is completely open 🙁
I do like the idea that flood defenses, recent changes in land use and immigration are the reasons behind flooding in the Lake district. Not just the wettest part of the UK getting record levels of wetness.
we are lucky to have such titans of thinking on this forum
Not just the wettest part of the UK getting record levels of wetness.
Said yo mama.
Sorry about that...
Well yeah numb nuts but the point is it's the towns that are flooding which is partly due to inappropriate planning, increased drainage of agricultural land. It's pretty common knowledge that the hydraulic capacity of the basins has been significantly reduced and there a number of pilot projects 're-wilding' significant parts of these catchments to slow flow etc starting up at the moment. 'It's a thang - 4 real'. The rains were exceptional - I know i seed them with my own eyes and everyfink and would have caused flooding but the way we're responding to floods is with concrete meanwhile blaming climate change for the increase in flooding, which is only a tiny factor at the mo. It's the same reason you've got no groundwater left down south, because for for 1000 yeas we've looked at water on the land and decreed it a bad thing that we've got to get rid of.
Back on topic,
My elderly parents were rescued at lunchtime, they're on both BBC and Sky news helicopter footage being rescued from the garage roof with the dog.
The closest I could get was about 300yds or so away from the house.
Apparently they've had over 6 feet of water in through the ground floor.
I'll head back down tomorrow morning to see what I can do, probably not a lot.
That took a turn for the worse 😯
Hope things are stabilising (at least) and getting better (hopefully) for all caught out.
Wrote up a few case studies of the past floods for GCSE Geog students and looking back here and in the 19C the similarities and differences are interesting.
Any environmental workers and/or geographers in the area? I am intrigued by the amount of damage on the W side of Helvellyn. Landslips are not uncommon on this stretch and yet it is one obvious stretch of fellside that has forests alongside. Ok so the higher fell is barren and saturated so you get a lot of immediate surface run off, but the middle and lower slopes are forested that should give some protection? what's the informed explanation?
FYI - http://www.cumbriacrack.com/2014/01/28/lake-district-conference-trees-can-reduce-flooding/
Ditto, was the road collapse caused by erosion of the river undercutting the road or water coming from the W side or something else.
Excuse the random questions, and possibly the untimely questions (if insensitive) just love [s]proper[/s]physical geography!
Stabliser - would be interested in studies of impact of issues such as concrete/surface ruin-off versus agriculture/forestry - any links?
Not wanting to sound like I'm playing devil's advocate, but did these places flood 100 years ago?
Car isle...clues in the name.
It's pretty common knowledge that the hydraulic capacity of the basins has been significantly reduced and there a number of pilot projects 're-wilding' significant parts of these catchments to slow flow etc starting up at the moment.
Release the Beever!
Not wanting to sound like I'm playing devil's advocate, but did these places flood 100 years ago?
Yes. Carlisle had a famous flood in 1822 with water halfway up Rickergate which is... well... Almost exactly where is was on Saturday.
So the potential has always been there? Its the frequency - possibly - and greater population density that are the changing factors?
the old bridges that have been washed away are an indicator that this was a spectacular event by historical standards...unless of course these old bridges have been knocked down and rebuilt a few times in the past.
Busting a rainfall record once, and then again 5 years later does sound ominous though.....if it fits the pattern of warmer atmosphere means more precipitable water content then there is plenty more leeway on the upside for future events to be more intense.
Maybe the sort of industrial heavy rock armoured huge flood drainage channels that alpine villages use to deal with snow melt may be more appropriate in future years for the lakes...although that will deliver water even faster to Carlisle and Cockermouth.
Maybe worth considering the voting record on Climate Change of 2 of the Cumbria MPs that have been all over the telly sympathising with their flooded constituents over the last 24 hrs
How Rory Stewart voted on Miscellaneous Topics #Consistently voted against greater regulation of gambling Show votes
Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change Show votes
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24964/rory_stewart/penrith_and_the_border/votes
How John Stevenson voted on Miscellaneous Topics #Generally voted against greater regulation of gambling Show votes
Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change Show votes
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24799/john_stevenson/carlisle/votes
Not sure where this is but not what you expect a high street to look like;
That's Cockermouth.
Walked along that Main St at lunchtime today - bloomin inspiring seeing the work going on. There was no feeling of "woe is me/victims", just folk with their sleeves rolled up and wellies on, the council out in force clearing and washing and loads of positivity - even the notorious Traffic Wardens were helping some old fella with a sore back and ignoring vehicles parked on (muddy) double yellows.
Cumbria is open for business and pleasure folks, so don't stay away.
The Whinlatter Pass is shut tonight to get JCB's in, but will be re-opened tomorrow.
Hope Keswick and Carlisle are bouncing back as quickly.
Why do idiots always film with their phones in portrait?