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It's getting pretty wild out. Suspect the post '09 flood defences are in for their first real test......
Seeing various postings on Twitter and looking at the environment agency website, it looks pretty serious.
Record river levels at Threkeld and Greta Bridge now (by some distance). Stay safe guys.
Very high in Cockermouth too - hopefully new defences will hold. The Trout car park is starting to flood a bit.
The flood plane from Brigham down towards Workington is also well and truly flooded. Last time I saw it this full was Nov '09.
We're cut off now, still chucking it down and 5 hours til high tide. Daughter in tears as 6th party cancelled. Ah well, plenty cake.....
Saw this earlier:
Good luck boxelder.
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Post 2009 defences in Keswick. 🙁
Eek.
All the best to those of you in that part of the world.
Just been on Sky news those defenses have now been breached, suspect it will get worse before it gets better.
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Can't quite work out where on Derwent Water that actually is but then again it probably looks a bit different normally...
@cazgraham1 on Twitter
There's some incredible pictures of the River Kent through the middle of Kendal too.
Good luck everyone, just read all roads around Keswick closed
It's called The Boat House, I think
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Pretty wild here in Carlisle. River is up but a long way from the defences just yet. A shed load of flooded roads though. A69 is in a right shite state apparently.
Friends have just told me people in Cockermouth are being evacuated as the river has breached the new defences.
It's called The Boat House, I think
Yes, I recognise it now, I do know it.
The other property that never comes out of these things well is The Wateredge Inn in Ambleside, I've ridden past that in heavy flooding before and there was a drowned sheep bumping against the ground floor window. 🙁
Friends have just told me people in Cockermouth are being evacuated as the river has breached the new defences
A 'hundred year event' every few years now.
The Greta is still rising at Low Briery near Keswick - gauge went offline at Greta Bridge approaching a foot over 2009 levels. So things aren't looking good for Cockermouth.
Cumbria Police have just declared a major incident !!
Stay safe people.
It's certainly wild; wilder than it has been for the last couple of weeks. People have been told not to make any unnecessary journeys...but cycling is definitely necessary....as long as you dress appropriately.
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Patterdale Mountain Rescue reporting their base is Flooded
We're on high ground in Keswick and that's even flooding thoughts are with the people even worse off down the road, all emergency services on site - stay safe
Water is just pouring off the fells through the house and down the road 🙁
@rse, stay safe everyone.
Terrible day on the post lots of Propertys flooded in Staveley on my round Kendal is now cut off no getting in or out except for emergency services!!
Aye got some seriously impressive and scary pics of the river having burst it banks and flooding all the streets. Not there this weekend but was going to drive up today so that wont be happening
Stay safe out there folks its looking bad and gooseholme park area under and church at risk. bike in cellar so worried now
On BBC News now, reporter in Keswick. Pumping out the drains back into the river...
Post pics up or links of anything?
Couldn't get into Ambleside for work today, road in from windermere is closed.
Rain is still coming down heavily.
Hope everybody is ok
Some pics
cannot post mine from whatapp though
All roads in and out of Keswick now closed. We were there this time last year, and the year before.
Hope everyone's ok. The water coming over the flood defences looks bonkers. I can't believe how high it is!
Worst over here hopefully. Went out with the dog and ended up with some cold wet refugees - BMW dead after trying to drive through the 'puddle'. It's taken the front off the car and killed it. Hot drink and got them a tractor taxi to nearby hotel. There's a fair few abandoned cars arch deep in water. I'll try to post a PIC.
Some vids of Glenridding Beck in spate 😯
https://twitter.com/Mountain_Run?lang=en
Not sure I'd want to use that footbridge...
It's time for the National Parks & govt to listed to George Monbiot on how our subsidies of sheep & grouse moors are turning upland areas into deserts with little capacity to hold water. And just like deserts, when it rains, the areas downstream flood. We need to change the upland ecology by planting trees & allowing regrowth.
I couldn't agree less @moses The solution is not planting trees on high ground. This amount of flooding/rainfall is not that unusual
Cockermouth Main St and Wordsworth House now flooded..... 🙁
Well the "desertification" of the Lakes began at least as far back as the Romans, ever wondered how Fair[b]field[/b] got its name? It's not so much the lack of vegetation that's the problem at the moment but the huge amount of rain that the area has endured over the last month or so - the NW has had 200% of the average for November.
Veg is already regenerating. Flocks sizes have been down since F+M and single farm payment. Not saying afforestation won't help, but amount and intensity of rain has produced a second 1 in a 1000 year flood in a decade. Almost as though something global is affecting our climate.....
Well, the last 2 responses were at odds with each other.
This amount of flooding/rainfall is not that unusual
Yes it is. The churchyard at Appleby is flooded. Churches didn't get built in areas subject to flooding, as the graves lifted. The 2009 event was described as a once in 100years - except it's happened again.
Whitestone, yes the tree cover started to get cut back fromm the iron age onwards, but it's noticeably worse now. The pollen analyses show it's changed in the last 80 years. You can see run-off channels / hushes now that just weren't there when I was young.
313mm rainfall in the last 24hrs at one guage in centre of Lakes...
That is very very very unusual. Trust me.
This is potentially worse than 2009.
Struggle with links on my tablet but have a look at this
[url] https://twitter.com/CumbriaWeather/status/673203193212444672 [/url]
For updates/photos I'd recommend following Cumbria Crack on Twitter, I think they have a Facebook page too.
We came close to flooding on Thursday, and we're halfway up a hill.
Stay safe folks.
Edit:Take a look at Cumbria Crack (@CumbriaCrack): https://twitter.com/CumbriaCrack?s=09
This amount of flooding/rainfall is not that unusual
Record flood levels all across the lakes
Its really not usual levels of rainfall /flooding in these areas
Its is record braking levels of floods all across the lakes but hey we have you in the South to let us know.....thanks.
Some abolutely mental photos on here:
Some of them beggar belief though!
When people talk about 1 in a hundred year events it does not mean that it is unusual to get 2 back to back if they occur randomly.
Where do you live again Jammers?
Surrey? Where if you get a dusting of snow it's a national emergency?
You've made some outlandish claims on here, but by saying that this rainfall is 'nothing unusual' you've surpassed yourself sir 😆
It's liking a bit bonkers now. Way worse than I've seen before. We're quite a bit further south and it's not stopped raining here for weeks. We had flooding last week, but nothing remotely like this. Thoughts are with all you poor buggers coping with it. Stay safe you lot!
There's often lots of rain here over winter; there's always a few spots get flooded. But the last two weeks or so has seen a massive amount of rain. Pretty much every day for the last two weeks, the A590 has been badly flooded, and that's flat, there are no fells next to it.
I just guess the ground can't hold anymore water, and last night/today was the straw that broke the camels back.
Pretty much DT I have done a fair amount of driving across the north west last week and prety much every are had fields that wer ejust flooded and ponds where there were none before. THis last bout has gone on to already waterlogged ground creating [s]the exceptional weather we are experiencing[/s] usual weather as our southern sage tells us
was what David meant and some mental pics on there
Tha'ts the one! My mates gf just posted a video of Grasmere 😯
My brother is a house away from flooding.:-(
According to the in laws ,who only talk about the weather,the last few weeks have been the wettest they've known .
Last time, 2009, it was me grandad (rip)who said that and then the bridges went.
The fields are unusually extra waterlogged,long night ahead .
Feeling slightly guilty here in north London listening to the middle classes twining about the "bitter" wind.ha.
Let's all have a bun fight about whether this is unusual or that's to blame.
I'm more glad than ever that I'm not in Workington......
Unreal!
I'm more glad than ever that I'm not in Workington......
Bastid! 🙂
Am supposed to stay at the Rosthwaite YHA over Xmas but reckon I should stay away, hope Xmas is salvageable for all the locals.
No, no, no - don't stay away. That's the worst of these events. Unless they tell you otherwise, still come. I'm glad I've not started Christmas shopping. Buy local, more now than ever. Hoping that Cockermouth shop reverbs last time were future flood proofed.
Unless they tell you otherwise, still come
Amen to that - ring up beforehand to check but still go, and spend as much money as you can while you are there.
Not my account, pictures of the situation in cockermouth 🙁 awful
Keswick Bikes will be drowned. River levels 3 miles upstream of Cockermouth falling fairly quickly now at least.
Aye 1 in 100 year event is a measure of magnitude not frequency..its a very unhelpful expression...its a shame some EA folk still use it. 1percent chance per year is better way of expressing same event.
I'm way removed from all this, but boxelder is right.
Having work at various floods as a claims handler, its a really awful thing to happen and my heart goes out to anyone affected
Your office upstairs anc?
"Not my account, pictures of the situation in cockermouth awful
To be more accurate in that post - the defences haven't failed, they've just been overtopped, which they are designed to do. The sheer amount of water they are managing to hold back is terrifying though - so although there is water coming over them it could be much much worse for those houses on the other side. I certainly would have legged it from those houses a while back!
The 2009 event was described as a once in 100years - except it's happened again.
So two major floods in 6 years sounds "not unusual" to me, that being my point.
Lakes full because rivers not being allowed to drain / run fully due to downstream developments etc ? Had lots of first hand experience of this living overlooking the river in Guildford and plenty of such stories around the Thames and Cherwell. @Moses I appreciate your point about Churches but what didn't flood 200 years ago can change with development which is your point too land vs building
Yeah boxelder.. nee fun working with dehumidifiers on downstairs though. Fingers crossed, it was the flow of water that got us last time as we're at the high end of south st.
Getting texts from a mate who lives down near Haweswater, he's stuck in a pub in Shap. Not sure where he'll be spending the night but the pub's floor is already wet...
I was there last Xmas when the fells were so waterlogged they could only get out via the water company service road, so this time it looks even worse...
Sympathy to anyone affected by this. Down here in London we haven't got a clue what proper weather's like...
Almost as though something global is affecting our climate.....
It's those fires in Indonesia that no-one seems worried about - they are chucking out unreal amounts of greenhouse gases - greenpeace are trying to highlight the issue and those responsible for letting it happen/continue.
I couldn't make our bi-annual trip last weekend to the mountaineering hut at low hall garth, little langdale.
They were saying that it was wet, but I think they got lucky with it being last weekend!
"Lakes full because rivers not being allowed to drain / run fully due to downstream developments etc ?"
Wrong. 313mm rainfall in 24hrs on already completely saturated ground and high water levels is going to cause flooding.
Stay down south please, it'd be far too scary for you up here.
Rainfall in 2009 Cumbria flood was highest amount of rainfall UK has had in a 24hr period since they started collecting proper tidy records. Early days yet but this feels like a worse event - 40 Severe Flood Warnings at the moment in Cumbria - only 9 or 10 in 2009.
From that I'd expect todays rain to be very close to or beat the 2009 rainfall record. - 2 rainfall amounts that big in 6 years.....statistically it could be random of course...bit it fits a pattern of warmer atmospheres holding more moisture so able to support more intense rainfall events.
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Wow 😯
High Coledale bridge gone in Braithwaite, near the 'narrows' at the foot of Whinlatter. 🙁
"Lakes full because rivers not being allowed to drain / run fully due to downstream developments etc ?"
All the recent massive developments around Keswick and Cockermouth - the massive housing estates, shopping malls etc have been a bit worrying from an environmental standpoint.
Have you ever actually been to the Lakes Jammers? It's a bit further north than Watford? 😉
No one can speculate this daftly without it being intentional so Jamby has just got to be trolling STW or you are Joey Essex.
My bike has just had to be rescued from the cellar due to the flood a few feet and rising.
Obviously this is very usual Cheers Jamby
River Levels today in Keswick running higher than 2009 -
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The latest pictures look waaaaay worse than 2009. Damage to property is clearly going to be immense! I just hope everyone is safe up there!
Soft Southern Shandy Drinking Lightweight sending some thoughts for all your safety and hope you all don't suffer too badly.
Thinking aboutcha's
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Sounds and looks like it's a bit windy and wet up there for you. Hoping that you're keeping safe warm and dry-ish.
It is said that there's no such thing as bad weather with the appropriate clothing. So who has got their dry suit and arm bands on? 😉
The girl on the radio whose 18th birthday party had to be cancelled confirmed that it was indeed 'way worse' than 2009.
The 2009 event was described as a once in 100years - except it's happened again.
Well that's statistics for you. Can't rely on it.
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Not at all uncommon. Get a bit of a breeze here and you get wet from the spray half a mile upstream.
Well that's statistics for you. Can't rely on it.
It's probability...
Doesn't change the fact it's a bit shit but:
A one-hundred-year flood is a flood event that has a 1% probability of occurring in any given year.
A common misunderstanding exists that a 100-year flood is likely to occur only once in a 100-year period. In fact, there is approximately a 63.4% chance of one or more 100-year floods occurring in any 100-year period.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/100-year_flood