[Closed] sports cars and self doubt

You're ascribing a negative view to him, possibly because subconsciously it makes you feel better. Because there is an element of competitiveness in you.

This is exactly how arguments on STW start - people assume the worst stupidest vainest most ignorant interpretation of what they see - because they don't have the extra meta-information of body language, tone of voice etc. It's the same all over the internet, and in print too.

You've done the same thing with the chap in the car. Maybe he's minted and just likes cars? Maybe he's a nice bloke and you'd get on well? You really don't know.

I'm not singling you out btw - almost everyone does things like this, including me.

Hubris.

Well put Mr Grips

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He is driving around in his sports car having fun, you are in your flat posting in the internet. I know who I would rather be...

I'm sure some people sniger, but then they're those poor people who have to walk or ride bikes because they've no money for a nice car, or the ones who drone on about 'bangernomics' as if it's a choice rather than a necessity*. Or have to drive arround in a dull german car because their wife wanted something comfortable and reliable and they're just under the thumb, hey they might even have snuck a 'hot hatch' in under the radar, hey you way to stick it to the [s]man[/s] woman.

See easy to make stereotypical observations from the other side too 😆

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Actual real life downsides:
Bikes don't fit so well
People ask for lifts to nowhere, including Sofia Loren wannabes
People want to talk to you about it all the time about how they had one, their dad or ex-gf had one, they really want one but can't justify it, they used to work at Abingdon etc which offsets the rest of the people who probably talk about it behind your back.

*bangernomics is the motoring equivalent of vegiterianism. You feel the need to tell everyone, and explain it to them and you probably smell a bit as a result of it.

As someone who gave into a mid life crisis soft top sports car not too long back, I've kinda been through this myself.

As a very "private" individual, I hate the "look at me" aspect of bimbling around town with the top down, so a) I don't bimble round town (drinks petrol like no tomorrow in stop start traffic) if I can help it. b) if I have to, the lid goes up. I still think the guys driving supercars round London, doing laps of Harrods with the tops down and the stereo up loud are dicks, though.

Once out in the countryside though, with top down and the sun shining, I couldn't give a flying f... what someone else thinks. I'm having too much fun! I'd never really got the point of open cars until I tried one, but I love the extra sensory awareness - drive past a field that's had cows in recently, and you know it - instantly. The noise of the slip stream in hedges, or the sudden silence when I pass a gateway - all puts me far more in connection with the environment I'm travelling through. Stargazing up on the moors on a clear night with the top down and the heated seats on is pretty cool too!

So far, it's been a life enhancing experience (albeit expensive!) to own a sports car. Not sure how long I'll keep it for, but so long as I enjoy it, all good here!

(I'm in reasonable shape, and the missus, whilst younger than me is not unfeasibly so, so not entirely stereotypical)

[i]As usual when I see this type of guy, I let out a tiny s**** and thought 'what a pillock'[/i]

I thinks that's a perfectly reasonable assessment. Owning a TVR is okay ish, but driving around town with the roof down in winter is complete proof that he's a nob.

Depends...

Last summer, I was enjoying a couple of beers with my ex colleagues at The Goat in Mayfair, when someone drove past in a Lamborghini Gallardo giving it the beans.

My first reaction was along the lines of "knobber".

In retrospect, that reaction was 100% correct.

A few minutes later, I was staggering towards Piccadilly Circus tube station when a red Ferrari Dino pulled up at the lights.

My reaction was along the lines of "awesome".

It's context, innit.

Rockape63 - Member

I thinks that's a perfectly reasonable assessment. Owning a TVR is okay ish, but driving around town with the roof down in winter is complete proof that he's a nob.

Why? What's wrong with having the roof down?

[i]Why? What's wrong with having the roof down?[/i]

If you don't know........! 😉

Its just a fact (for a man) that if you own a soft top, you only drive with the roof down in particular circumstances. Not when its cold. Not in a town. Not on a motorway/busy road.

If you are an attractive blonde female those rules don't apply!

Whoa there. Of course you should drive with the top down, what's the point otherwise? Get a woolly hat, turn up the heater, tonneau cover on (old British cars, of course). Fab.

He is driving around in his sports car having fun, you are in your flat posting in the internet. I know who I would rather be...

pretty much this...

with a little of this

STW this attitude is often derided as envy..

To cold for me to be driving my rather nice sportscar today, but when I do I can confirm that its awesome. Far more fun that riding my bikes...you should try it some time, you may then understand rather than being so judgemental.

Whoa there. Of course you should drive with the top down, what's the point otherwise? Get a woolly hat, turn up the heater, tonneau cover on (old British cars, of course). Fab.

+1

The heater in the midget is amazeballs.

Thick woollen jacket, scarf tied neatly, gloves and, it's not just another 7am commute in December, suddenly you're Stirling Moss on the last lap of the 24h du'Mans.

And tunnels.............babbbbbbbbaaaaababbababaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

driving around town with the roof down in winter is complete proof that he's a nob.

No. If you have a convertible, have the roof off whenever it's not raining. Otherwise what's the point? Wrap up, turn up the heater - it's still fun.

I just don't know what feelings I'm experiencing here

Have you thought about getting a Sophia Loren wig 😉

Drive my midget with top down whenever possible, do feel a bit self conscious in towns but I'm not going to stop and put the roof up because of what other people may think.

Drive my midget with top down whenever possible, do feel a bit self conscious in towns but I'm not going to stop and put the roof up because [s]of what other people may think.[/s] [b]it involves stopping, 12 press studs to remove the cover, 16 press studs and two metal levers to put the roof up, and my fingers are cold enough already thankyouverymuch[/b]

FTFY

(I actually think I can do it quicker than some electric versions, but the principles there)

Don't see what the problem is to be honest? As a young boy, among-st other cars I always loved Porches, particularly the 911.

I went for a drive in a 911 a few months back and it was lovely. I didn't buy it but I still might buy one, as soon as Mrs 007 changes her car to something more practical that can carry bikes.

Does that make me part of the 'mid life crisis' or just plain 'toss*r' brigade? Perhaps, but in my eyes I'm still just a young boy, whose always loved cars, and it's only now I'm middle aged I can actually afford to buy and run such a machine.

If I could have afforded it when I was 17 then I'd have bought one then without hesitation. Unfortunately (or possibly quite fortunately for the NHS budget), back then I couldn't.

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they don't have the extra meta-information of body language

It's not meta-information though, is it. It's just extra information.

I think the whole dismissal of sports cars is true cynicism. Sometimes it's just fun to do something that doesn't make sense in an overly sensible world.

TVR + rainy day?

I call bullshit 😉

Unless it was being pulled out of a hedge...

Nothing beats putting some shades on, hopping into a rag top with the roof down, without opening the doors, and then lapping up the opposite sex attention you get, especially if the car is not yours

I always remember my friend in his s2000 driving it down to the south of france thinking it would be "cool". Had to drive around with the roof up cos it was too hot without the aircon.

Every time I have had 'fancy cars' I have battled against this. People assume that I want to be seen in them, when as someone who hates being looked at it couldn't be further from the truth.

I buy cars because I want to buy them, I have had many cars that people would claim are for attention (2 seaters, built for driving, often in bright colours, with big engines etc) - but they really aren't and to be honest get pissed off that I can't spend my hard earn money on things that I want to without them saying I am trying to show off.

But this is true for anything really, I have had them same for with bikes, houses, motorbikes etc. Truth is I buy what I want for me and my family, and would rather I didn't have to interact with the world, let alone be judged by them, but there we go.

I'd prefer to judge people by there deeds not their possessions, so judging people for having possessions will always seem like reverse snobbery. Just like I would expect someone to judge me if I looked down on others for their possessions or lack of them, and any association I might have with lack of possessions and not being prepared to work and contribute.

I've no idea if the chap in the TVR would try to judge you just because you were viewing from a flat, and not a house and any implications about your wealth and work ethic that could come from that...

I'm not sure of the point I am trying to make anymore but it's probably best not to stare out of the window at someone, judge them and jump on the internet to tell people how you are better than a stranger you have no idea of.

And I am well aware of the irony of me judging you for judging someone else, and neither of us are actually judges so we should really just back away from all this judging business!

You are cursed with self awareness. The driver is immune to it so can drive around feeling brilliant about himself while you live in a pit of your own inadequacies.

"The intelligent are full of doubt while the stupid are full of confidence."

Yunki....... the TVR didn't happen to be a burgundy Cerbera, did it?

Whoa there. Of course you should drive with the top down, what's the point otherwise? Get a woolly hat, turn up the heater, tonneau cover on (old British cars, of course). Fab.

The folks I find odd are the ones who drive around on a lovely summer's day with the hood UP.

You're ascribing a negative view to him, possibly because subconsciously it makes you feel better. Because there is an element of competitiveness in you.

i see it more as curiosity, looking at somebody who desires those things when you have no desires for them yourself.
i dont drive even though i like cars but i think anything that goes over 75mph belongs on the track and not on our congested roads to sit in stationary traffic for hours, i look on with bemusement at just about anyone with an expensive car, more so if it costs around their yearly income, they live with mum and dad and is on the never-never.
doesn't make me better than them but i do ponder their thinking behind overspending on a depreciating asset that is i’ll suited to U.K. roads. and why they choose that outlet for their ego.

It says more about the ops prejudices than the driver of the car.

Presumably(if the op is old enough) the op used to hate people with mobile phones back in the late 80's early 90's.

....but i do ponder their thinking behind overspending on a depreciating asset that is i’ll suited to U.K. roads. and why they choose that outlet for their ego.

Your post was well considered up until the bit about ego, have you thought that maybe its nothing to do with ego , but they really enjoy driving the car they have and consider it an acceptable price to pay?

i see it more as curiosity, looking at somebody who desires those things when you have no desires for them yourself.
i dont drive even though i like cars but i think anything that goes over 75mph belongs on the track and not on our congested roads to sit in stationary traffic for hours, i look on with bemusement at just about anyone with an expensive car, more so if it costs around their yearly income, they live with mum and dad and is on the never-never.
doesn't make me better than them but i do ponder their thinking behind overspending on a depreciating asset that is i’ll suited to U.K. roads. and why they choose that outlet for their ego.

[url= http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/mid-life-crisis-reduced-to-the-purchase-of-cycling-equipment-201009303131 ]You could say that about a bike too:[/url]

On a serious not though, why would what someone else chooses to spend their money ever worry you?

[i]No. If you have a convertible, have the roof off whenever it's not raining. Otherwise what's the point? Wrap up, turn up the heater - it's still fun.[/i]

The 'point' Moley, is that you have the choice. You just have to choose the right moments!

[i]
Don't see what the problem is to be honest? As a young boy, among-st other cars I always loved Porches, particularly the 911.[/i]

Entirely understandable old Chap...this is a completely different matter and you are only guilty of showing excellent taste! 8)

The 'point' Moley, is that you have the choice. You just have to choose the right moments!

You're both wrong, it's fine in the rain.

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On a serious not though, why would what someone else chooses to spend their money ever worry you?

who said it did? 😯

i ponder lots of things, ITV programs and the orange tans of the presenters, the way Davina McCall shouts, why people listen to Coldplay and why people wear sportswear to go to pub. i cant say i worry about any of them.

Why? What's wrong with having the roof down?

If you don't know........!

why people listen to Coldplay

I quite like Coldplay and often ponder why they get so much stick from some people....

the TVR didn't happen to be a burgundy Cerbera, did it?

not unless it had some extensive mods:

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😉

had my chim first when i was about 28. early mid life crisis?
a couple of track days and over 45k miles as my only car. meh. i could afford it, and could afford to keep it running, and mine never wound up in the hedge. 😉

you've a family op, some might envy you that. it's probably just a case of the grass being greener. enjoy what you've got, don't begrudge others their choices.

The only daft roof down driving I've seen has been a guy in a Saab convertible that I saw shortly after (once the rain had come on hard) sat on the hard shoulder.

Didn't he know that the correct response is to speed up until the slipstream keeps him dry?

On a similar note, my desire for a fast 2 seater has been interpreted by some as a desire for a "fanny magnet", whereas it has absolutely nothing with that and in fact I'm quite sure the opposite effect would occur (whether from being forced to sit in the freezing cold with the top down in winter, or from my constant absenteeism due to tinkering).

People do have their preconceptions about other people though.

I've been driving my wife's SLK this week as she decided she wanted my car for a few days to carry some stuff around.

Part of that has involved me driving the SLK with my blond, 24 year old daughter in the car with me - but fortunately the weather was too cold to have the hood down!

This is said car with it's usual (and more appropriate) driver.
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Despite being a diesel it's quick, but wheelspins everywhere at this time of year as it has a silly amount of torque.

CEO takes HR manager out for the latest in a series of lunches to discuss work (no really). He has a little bit too much rioja and becomes leery. HR manager decides that enough is enough and that boss is unfit to drive. Orders taxi for the boss and agrees to drive his car back to the office were it can be parked safely (and she can file her report). But the rainy conditions make it a bit of handful (true I am not good enough to drive a TVR safely). A friendly MTBer observes her difficulty and hides his bike under hedge and agrees to drive her home. They all get back safely if slightly wet (TVR's equipment malfunction), apart from CEO who is sick in the taxi and gets an additional £100 on his bill.

Meanwhile.....

wheelspins everywhere at this time of year

user error.

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(© Copyright Junkyard 2015)

1955 I think you'll find: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion_Futures_Act

Is Junky really that old?

user error.

Only if you don't like wheelspin or going sideways...

I just try not to judge people or their values based upon a car choice. Following stereotypes probably tells us more about ourselves than about anyone else.

My main car is a Jaguar XF but the weekend toy is a Mk1 MX5. A few have commented that I must be mad to cosset the old mazda in the garage and park the Jaguar on muddy tracks with the mountain bike in the back, but it makes sense to me...so thats all that matters.
Live and let live.

I drive an MX5.
Almost always have the top down. I just like it. Always cycled or rode motorbikes in the past so like being out in the open, helps with awareness too - good for city traffic and spotting folk on their bikes etc

I drive it through winter with the roof down too - heated seats, heaters on, scarf, hat and gloves in the glovebox

TBH, getting the MX5 was me getting sensible. Road big motorbikes through my 20s, now in my 30s...

Don't ever really think about what other people think of me. They probably think I'm a dick because I listen to heavy metal and have a big furry hat on, but I just do it cos I like it, not to impress anyone

Rockape63 - Member
Why? What's wrong with having the roof down?

If you don't know........!

Its just a fact (for a man) that if you own a soft top, you only drive with the roof down in particular circumstances. Not when its cold. Not in a town. Not on a motorway/busy road.

[b]If you are an attractive blonde female those rules don't apply![/b]

An old Boss of mine had a BMW M3 and I hated using that to pick stuff up and drop stuff to customers. Thought it just gave the wrong impression. On the other hand one of our sparky's had an old Audi A6 Avant that had a tuned S6 engine and running gear which I had the opportunity to buy but stupidly didn't. That was the most fun I've ever had in a car. I have always preferred all go and no show!

This is exactly how arguments on STW start - people assume the worst stupidest vainest most ignorant interpretation of what they see - because they don't have the extra meta-information of body language, tone of voice etc. It's the same all over the internet, and in print too.

New MX-5 is ace

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With a great heater and heated seats no issue roof down on crisp winters days

Never been sure about the mid life crisis thing.
Amway's thought it's just the point in time by which must people can justify spending £20k+ on a toy.

I've wanted a TVR since I was at primary school and I'd I can still find a good example for decent money in 10 or so years I'll be that guy.
Might have to get an MX-5 in the meantime though.

MrSmith - Member
You're ascribing a negative view to him, possibly because subconsciously it makes you feel better. Because there is an element of competitiveness in you.
i see it more as curiosity, looking at somebody who desires those things when you have no desires for them yourself.
i dont drive even though i like cars but i think anything that goes over 75mph belongs on the track and not on our congested roads to sit in stationary traffic for hours, i look on with bemusement at just about anyone with an expensive car, more so if it costs around their yearly income, they live with mum and dad and is on the never-never.
doesn't make me better than them but i do ponder their thinking behind overspending on a depreciating asset that is i’ll suited to U.K. roads. and why they choose that outlet for their ego.

My 155 mph (and I know it will do 145 or so and have done so quite legally) convertible also happens to do 32 mpg on a run, is a great place to be even when in a traffic jam, cost about £4.5k, is paid for in full and I'm married and have been for nearly eighteen years. The car is depreciating very little. I drive it with the roof down as much as possible - the heater is very good. I also have a beautiful thirty year old Mercedes coupé - also paid for in full and an equally lovely place to be even when stationary.

You can judge me for how I spend my money if you wish - and I didn't have to spend very much on either car - but I really don't care. I'm having fun while you are angsting about expenditure that I can afford. No HP here...

Pagoda roof? That's the only thing I'm anxious about. (pics if it is)
I'm not needing you to justify your purchasing decisions but if writing it down helps you post rationalise them then feel free.

There seems to be a couple of willys being waved here. 😆

Just three years ago I drove round in a "fully loaded" impreza , if you'd have laughed at me I'd of laughed at you whilst reaching 60 in under 4.5. However now I laugh at people trying to fit their camping gear as I used to in such motors. Times are a changing but I will have an rs4 with a tow bar for the bike rack, something I'd never ever put on an impress ya 8)

MrSmith - Member
Pagoda roof?

In my dreams!

And the pagodas are all at least 45 years old now and eyewateringly expensive!

If the willy waving comment was aimed at me, I was making the point that just because I drive something nice doesn't mean that I'm hocked up to the eyeballs, living off mum and dad and incapable of having a relationship!

There's no need to try to justify anything.
You wave away as much as you want. 🙂
As it goes the comment was more aimed at Del in a very light hearted way.
Nice motor Del. 8)

Times are a changing but I will have an rs4 with a tow bar for the bike rack,

Unless someone now makes one to get round the exhausts, you won't. Mine was a pain in the arse for that.

I've got a TVR, drive it with the roof off whenever possible to get the full burbling v8 aural experience.

LOL! thanks Stu! 😳
TBF the car's long gone, so's the GF, and now I drive a pug expert. the plan went awry somewhere...

also happens to do 32 mpg on a run

Hardly anything to be proud of!

Convertables are just for people too scared to ride a motorbike

I was fortunate to be able to buy a very low mileage BMW M3 CSl the light weight very noisy carbon roof uncomfortable one but by god it was fantastic.

I very much appreciated it from a engineering point & what it was aimed at, I took it out in the dry only as I soon learnt I was not The Stig, yes people looked and old ladies shook there heads in despair as it pre blipped the revs on down shifts, it does that automatically not me but the big kid in me did enjoy it, the noise of the engine under acceleration was immense.

I was asked a few times oh is it a real one etc & some friendly people did appreciate it's rarity and asked to sit in it which I obliged.

Of course it attracted clowns in little 1.2 corsa's all these type of cars do, I drove it sensibly (most of the time) didn't make a arse out of my self.
The bottom line is, jealousy & envie will always exist be it over a car a shiny new bike a flash watch or the, they've got a bigger house than us... to be frank I really don't give a sh%t because it's all about respect, respecting a person not because of what trinkets they own is far more admirable quality in a person.

I guy lives round the corner from me, self made very successful drives a Ferrari 430 which he worked very hard for, his wife is a slim blonde he's not a knob not a poseur & I respect him as he's a decent human being. The thought live & let live springs to mind & just get on with living your life & don't be bothered about a tin box with four wheels or fibre glass in TVR's case as life is far too short.

Its Sunday now get your bike out & go for a ride & smile.