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Mrs STR went out for a birthday curry last night with a few girls.

One girl paid nothing for taxis, neither did she get a round in.

Had the meal and then the nonsense starts. £29 each to split.

One girl counts out her 'share' of £17.38 exactly, another mother and (adult) daughter tried chipping in £30 for the pair of them.

It all got that confusing, my Mrs told them to chuck what the hell they wanted in and stumped up the rest.

I don't know exactly what everyone had and it's not really the money that bothers me, it's the pettiness of it all.

If you are going to go out, don't have drinks bought you and not buy one back. If you are skint and don't think you've eaten much, don't count it out to the penny at least - I really don't think the £17.38 girl is that skint.

Is it me? I'm sure plenty will be along to correct me in my thinking shortly


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:30 am
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I would give £17.38 girl the benefit of the doubt as it's the end of Jan.
The £30 for the pair people are worse in my eyes.

In my opinion it needs to be agreed that either the bill will be split, or people will pay for what they had. No messing around, and "guessing" what you want to pay.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:33 am
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I rarely carry cash nowadays so just pay my share on the card, usually rounded up for tippage. Mates I go out with are not nobbers so generally just split it equally. Unless someone has had something completely different, they they should either pay a bit more or less than everyone else.

If I miss my round for some reason (like there's five of us but only have 4 drinks) I'll make sure I get the first one in the next time we're out.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:35 am
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For mates or out with other couples, split equal. For different sized families it's a bit trickier. You win some you lose some.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:36 am
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Not just skint people, I've been for lunch with similarly petty engineering contractors, their hourly rate over lunch probably covered more than their share......

Their problem is:
Round down
Forgets they had an extra glass of coke which was another £4
Forgets the 10% service charge

So in their head they've been generous with their £20 for the £13 pub burger and chips and a drink. in reality it was £13 + £4 + £4 + 10% ~£25.

There's always someone in the group skint or on a diet, but that's an exception not the rule, it'd be unfair to make someone skint who had the soup pay for the next persons steak.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:40 am
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I don't want to perpetuate any sexist myths, but me and 4 old schoolmates (now in our late 30s) met up on Sunday, went out for a meal, I didn't have enough cash on me so was going to just pay the rest. If I hadn't checked what they'd put in I would've paid nothing and still left a decent tip.

As it was, everyone took a bit out and the tip was still about 20% of the bill once I'd paid a reasonable sum towards it on my card.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:41 am
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Mates I go out with are not nobbers so generally just split it equally. If I miss my round for some reason (like there’s five of us but only have 4 drinks) I’ll make sure I get the first one in the next time we’re out.
this. Fortunately all my mates are splitters. Some of my GF’s mates are not. Does my nut when everyone starts getting the calculators on their phones out. I just tell her that she’s paying for my share too and wander off to the bar while she sorts it all out 😂

my Mrs told them to chuck what the hell they wanted in and stumped up the rest.
that sets a dangerous precedent! I can just about understand wanting to pay for what you’ve ACTUALLY had - but trying to get out of even paying that?! Who needs “friends” like that?


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:43 am
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For me, it should be agreed how many courses you are having as a group - does everyone want starters, no? Ok, we skip starters.

From then on in, if you don't drink you get some dispensation, but everyone else should just split. So bloody what if someone had a naan, or your chips were 50p cheaper than her rice. It always ends up spoiling the evening.

Fortunately most people are capable of not being dick's, but occasionally it happens


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:43 am
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It's something I've had in the past when a particular group, we would always be one person short.

If I'm with family, then I pay our share as there were 2 adults and 2 kids so not a full 4 people, and we weren't drinking, so this works. With mates/colleagues its just a straight split unless one of us has something either more expensive or cheaper, then we just sort it.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:43 am
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Split per person, don’t go anywhere that adds a service charge.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:45 am
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I go to two ways with this:

a) Split it equally

or, if you don't want to do that

b) Tell me what I owe, cos I'm not fannying about working it out


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:45 am
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I have a fairly simple rule - any messing about at the end of the meal around who pays what & I'll never eat out with them again. Life is too short for that sort of nonsense.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:46 am
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For mates or out with other couples, split equal. For different sized families it’s a bit trickier. You win some you lose some.

There are 2 options. Split equal or diligently pay to the penny for everything you got (plus a tip). I remember once a tight fisted friend was tasked with splitting the bill. "If you've had one course pay x, 2 courses pay y, 3 courses pay z". Firstly it disregarded the cost of each course and number of drinks (we were students, there were lots of drinks) secondly, it ended up about 20% under the bill... and thirdly, it was just as complex as just paying for whatever you'd actually had. Fourthly of course she'd only done it as she happened to fit into whatever category she decided should pay the least, of course.

I'm always happy to split the bill on the basis that I'll have eaten a lot and drunk a fair bit, but I'm veggie so won't have had the steak, so my bill will be pretty much the same either way.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:49 am
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I usually don't mind splitting it equally even if it works out badly for me.

I have however asked to pay for mine separately before as I was trying to move house at the time and needed to find £20K thanks to the financial crash.
Felt like a bit of a pikey but TBH I had no starter, cheapest main course, no desert & tap water. Some of the others had two or three pints and three expensive courses + coffees. There was no way I was putting in £60 when my total was only about £10.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 9:52 am
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It is a mine field. I enjoy eating out but try do it cheaply so I can do it more, easy when it is just the two of us. Just need to put that to one side when eating in a group and go with the flow. There will always be one who doesn't put in the full whack because they only had a salad, but by the same token it is pretty rare that the person who had the lobster and drank 6 pints voluntarily puts in a bit extra.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:00 am
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I don't think it's as simple as "spliting = good person, paying your own = bad person".

I haven't always had spare money but still wanted to have a social life and do what I can. Even now I am more price-conscious than most and track every penny in to and out of my bank account.

I've been at meals out where I have consciously chosen not to have a second drink, or chosen a meal based on the price, and to me it always seemed a bit unfair that I've had to make up for other people being more indulgent or less considerate despite my best efforts to be social within my means and my budget. I know some people say if you can't afford to go out then don't but it also seems unfair that I have to miss having a social life as I can't afford to pay for everyone else having a started.

On the flip side, I do dislike the faff involved with splitting a bill, especially when everyone forgets the tip, miscalculates it, etc... which I don't understand. As I said, I was and am very price-conscious, I add up the cost of the meal as I go so I know how much I am paying at the end (maybe having studied maths has helped with this?). If people are just using it as an excuse to not pay what they owe then I'd stop hanging out with them, but there is nothing wrong with wanting or needing to be careful with your own money imo.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:01 am
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Having little disposable income, I don't go anywhere near bill splitting politics, I pay for what I order.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:09 am
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I'm broadly in agreement with the OP, and have avoided eating out with certain people who have shown themselves to be particularly stingy when the bill turned up.

If you are going to go out, don’t have drinks bought you and not buy one back.

Really feasible though?

I’ve been at meals out where I have consciously chosen not to have a second drink, or chosen a meal based on the price, and to me it always seemed a bit unfair that I’ve had to make up for other people being more indulgent

Ask at the start to run your own tab in future.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:11 am
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If money is tight then people who aren't worried about money are really expensive company. Splitting the bill reflects an assumption by some in the group that everyone can equally afford the cost - that the difference between £17 and rounding up to £20 doesn't matter (let alone £30). But that difference exists because people who don't have to worry about the cost have ordered more and are expecting to pay less for it.

My instinct is not to split the bill - I'd rather offer to pay the whole thing regardless of who's party it is, than have people feel that fun and company is means tested.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:12 am
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I’d rather offer to pay the whole thing regardless of who’s party it is, than have people feel that fun and company is means tested.

Surely buying people’s company is a form of means testing.


 
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I don’t want to perpetuate any sexist myths

I'd never want to do this either, but anecdotally, when it's just been blokes (or close mates including women) around a table I can't ever remember spending anything more than a few seconds agreeing how much everyone will put in.

Again, anecdotally, for me at least, it's always been a different story when there's more women than men around the table, and I've found it especially frustrating in work related situations. In my last role, our team went out for meals occasionally, and I was usually one of just two blokes at a table of 9-10 people, and often the only bloke.

There genuinely were times when it took way longer to divvy up the bill than it did to order, wait for, and eat the food.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:28 am
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We are in a fortunate position that most of our friends now earn reasonable money and (9/10) we split the bill and the person who had 'the steak' would put in a few more quid for the tip.

In the past when some of us have been more strapped we have been more open with how much we can afford and say to the group 'I'm getting XXXX because I'm skint' when ordering. This sends the message that I will only pay for what I have.

Generally if it's the boys out then we divide by the party number round up and add a couple quid for tip. Generally the place ends up with 15-20% tip but we have also had 3 pints, poppadum's, puddings and coffees by that point and are more concerned by the structural integrity of our belts than how much less our wallets weigh.


 
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I go to two ways with this:

a) Split it equally

or, if you don’t want to do that

b) Tell me what I owe, cos I’m not fannying about working it out

Is my approach.

However I have been on the end of some very tricky situations in the distant past. Like your Mrs, I’ve had a few who have insisted on re-calculation of the bill and I came up with a solution. That is: if someone wants to pay for only what they’ve had, then we all re-calculate based on that. It has two outcomes 1) it pisses a lot of people off 2) the person who started the whole scenario understands it’s their actions that caused the delays.

Life is too short, but possibly the person who offered up £17odd may indeed be short of cash, if that was the case then your Mrs could have said something to get to understand that situation, or that person is so short of cash they shouldn’t have joined in...

Hey ho.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:36 am
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It's a mindset thing - some people view lunch/dinner with freinds as an "experience" comprising of the venue, company, drinks, food etc. The assumption is that all have shared in the experience equally so should split the cost. When you attend you enter into a contract to share the costs. It's incidental to the experience whether one person had an extra drink, or someone didn't have a starter etc.

Clearly not everyone buys into these assumptions. Normally I'm cool with it except for the last meal I was at. I wasn't drinking but a few of the guys (including the richest most obnoxious one) were hitting the beer and wine big time. Ended up costing me £60 for a £15 set menu. Ouch. Lesson learned.


 
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Mrsg82 and me also play a game of guessing the bill. Furthest from the truth pays. All from memory too, no peaking at the menu for prices.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:39 am
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Split equally wether good or bad or as someone has said go the bar and wait for someone to tell you how much you owe. If they don’t get a round in tell them directly to their face to get one or go home. Haven’t been out with the other half’s family for 5 years as they are the calculator brigade and it makes for a miserable end to the evening.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:43 am
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On the rounds of drinks thing - my dad told me always to try and get the first round in. Otherwise you can't politely leave until you have been able to buy a round and may get stuck there longer than you intended. Seems like a pretty good rule.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:45 am
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in my experience, they're generally much more clued up about this in the US and will often offer to give everyone separate "checks" or will do so if you ask


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 10:50 am
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I always used to be a split the bill person and add 10% now im not. The reason is others just take the mickey.

Theres generally always someone who is struggling when we go out. And theres always someone who seems to have more than their fair share. Whether this is on purpose or not I don’t know. So the person driving might have a drink and cheap main while the other person will have 5 pints, starter main and dessert or worse order a couple of bottles of decent wine. Having been in the situation myself I tend to try and start it by splitting for what people actually had.

Im not against splitting equally (it’s a lot easier, missus doesn’t like it) but im the first to suggest we don’t to stop someone else feeling awkward.

As for service charge. It soon mounts up if theres 10 of you and tbh I think it’s a joke having to add it on. Ill happily throw in a tenner or something but sometimes if everyone chips in 10%+ it becomes 50 quid which is ridiculous. I don’t get a bonus every time I do my job.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 11:07 am
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in my experience, they’re generally much more clued up about this in the US and will often offer to give everyone separate “checks” or will do so if you ask

I’m sure most restaurants could do that pretty much anywhere but what a silly thing to do.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 11:13 am
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We used to have a well off guy on my old team and any team lunch was always the same.

"We all splitting the bill then?"
"Yeah"
"Happy hour pizza and a coke please"
"Happy hour pizza and a coke please"
"Happy hour pizza and a coke please"
"Happy hour pizza and a coke please"
"Happy hour pizza and a coke please"
"Sirloin steak, extra fries, onion rings, peppercorn sauce, side of garlic bread and a Pellegrino"


 
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I’m currently going though a weeks worth of receipts from a family trip to Poland. My mother made it clear that she wasn’t prepared to subsidise any one else’s meals so I’ve got to go through every receipt and allocate costs accordingly. Given that the difference is turning out to be under a tenner for a weeks worth of meals it’s a right pain in the arse.

I’ve also been on the receiving end of better healed friends eating and drinking significantly more than me and then expecting me to chip in an equal share. As my “share” was well over double what my meal actually cost I politely declined and asked for a separate bill.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 11:15 am
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Just for the record, the not buying a round girl never does. Mrs got the first round in at the pub and she even said awww, we should be getting you this, it's your birthday 😬

Always seems to find money to stick up her nose though

Also not wanting to be sexist, I'll add 'anecdotally', 99% of the time it seems to be the female of the species causing the fuss. Groups of blokes, never an issue


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 11:29 am
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No it isn't you.
Sadly your wife has some rubbish friends, particularly the mother and daughter.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 11:31 am
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I remember the good old days when the birthday boy/girl actually got their meal bought by everyone else splitting. Can't remember that happening for a while.


 
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Ah, happy memories of a major inquiry we were on in Bradford many years ago. When the daily toil was over we'd nip over the road to slake whatever thirst we'd managed to work up. There was one Detective Sergeant who always managed to tag onto the two/three/four person rounds and would order a diet coke when we all had a pint. He always tagged on, and as we never had more than a couple of pints managed to avoid ever paying for a round. This was noted and a couple of snidey remarks would start, and he pointed out that as he was only drinking soft drinks he didn't see why he had to pay for other people to drink beer. I hadn't had a good day, and he was really starting to bug me (he was a crap team leader too.....) so I said, rather too loudly, that we were in a Weatherspoons during happy hour (well, angry hour as it was in Bradford) and that his pint of fizzy pish was more expensive than our beer, so either he got his hand in his pocket or farked orrf. He farked orrf.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 11:41 am
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I'm always happy to split the bill. You win some, you lose some.

As a professional traveller, eating away in groups all the time, the answer is separate checks. All pay your own bill and tip.

Those who take the piss know exactly what they are doing. Trying to leave your 'mates' covering the rest of the bill is the lowest.


 
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As a professional traveller

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My wife's thirtieth was spent in a nice eatery in Halifax. I'd invited about six or seven couples and was determined to make it a decent night out. I noted that her head of department and his wife studied the menu fastidiously and ordered a soft drink and a simple pizza each. I dropped a couple of hints that he didn't need to skimp, as I would be picking up the tab, but they stuck with their choice. We had a few bottles of wine, and I had a nice middle of the road sort of dish, but noticed that one couple had gone for the surf'n'turf. Ah well, what the hell.

After the meal I slipped over to speak with the owner ( an acquaintance) with my credit card ready to pay the bill. He told me that one of the other couples had already paid. I tried to get him to cancel it, but at that point I heard the woman who had paid telling the assembled throng that everyone was going to split the bill and everyone except me and Mrs Scape were going to pay an equal share. The amount came to roughly four times what poor old Stuart and Lil had eaten. The look on his face still haunts me.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 11:56 am
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My experience of going out on group meals is that at the end I work out what we’ve had (no calculator) round it up to a figure to allow for error then add £10 for service charge/ minor errors. I don’t think it’s ever worked out that there’s enough money at the end. So when it starts getting tricky I just say I’ve paid what I owe and then added £10 so someone’s not owning up and wander off.


 
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The cheapskate should move to Germany.

It's pretty normal there to pay just your part of the bill, and tell the waiter/waitress what you had (often they can even remember which were your drinks/dishes).

Annoyed me a bit when we'd be out elsewhere, but with German people and they'd want to try to pay less cos they had 3 starters rather than a main, but had an extra beer or something that they forgot about, so actually owed more than they thought.  Would have been far easier to pay a single tab and chip in 50/50.

The separate tabs does help though for those that have to expense or items meals etc. on their business travel claim (with the added faff of making sure the alcohol is not on the tab cos the company won't reimburse that bit).  We just get a fixed amount per day to cover whatever when on business.


 
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This is not something I do very often as I never go out with work folk. However I do remember on time when it was clear sorting the bill was going to cause issues. someone suggested equal splits, someone said the didn't have a starter ( people with hugely different incomes) so what I did was state Ok x each for mains, y extra for puddings / starters, Everybody chuck me some money, here is my £25. ( well more than my share) . I got more than enough for the bill, no one was unhappy, no one quibbled over a couple of £

I think the critical thing is to be clear and to try to be fair, If yo have had disproportionately different amounts of food / drink the equal splits is not fair. Quibbling over pennies is just tedious. Make up something that addresses both.


 
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but what a silly thing to do

go on then...why?


 
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In Kiwiland in the more casual eating places (which is most of them) everyone goes to the counter and hands their card over, tells the staff member their table number and what they had, and pays. No drama. But then it is also the land where tipping is considered an insult, so it all works.

In UK - I always think if there is a big table, agree how the bill will be paid in advance or ordering to stop any petty behaviour.

And yes - if people are dicks don't eat with them again!

My pet peeve is couples who think that if one of them buys a round, that's their turn over, and they only have to buy one round.


 
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go on then…why?

Errr! Read the thread.


 
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I cant remember the last time I went out for a meal with a group of mates ..but in that scenario what TJ suggested makes perfect sense ..
most of the meals we have had out recently have been large ( extended to include boyfriends/ girlfriends of our offspring) family meals where the two sides of the family ( my missus's sister is also her best mate) just split it down the middle..no arguments from me on that score..they are so irregular happenings ..why spoil a good night out by being stingy.


 
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Yup I’ve seen the starters and mains split between those that had them too.


 
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I had a mate who - once he knew the bill would be split - would order the most expensive meal on the menu, side orders and loads of fizz/wine/everything.

Every time. Without fail. Great.


 
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I know a guy always first out the taxi but holds the door to be last in the pub, he is tighter than a ducks arse. His partner is the opposite and always helps folk out but he orders the most expensive items on the menu and nips up to the bar a few extra drinks on the tab chucked down his throat if the bill is split equal, however when it suits him every penny is accounted for but everyone knows how greedy he is other than his partner


 
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How many of the 'splitters' check the total? Or do you just assume it's correct?

I ask because back in my student days a group of us (perhaps 8-10 mates) had a christmas meal, everyone chucked in what they thought they owed but it was nearly £100 short. After the most sober person going through the menu and adding up, we couldn't understand why. We had to request an itemised bill which they staff were reluctant to hand over. Turned out they'd rung through a glass of coke for nearly £100! Had we just split the total we may never have found out.


 
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Do you know the same guy reggie?


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 1:10 pm
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How many of the ‘splitters’ check the total? Or do you just assume it’s correct?

Why would splitting the bill mean you wouldn’t check it?


 
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Why would splitting the bill mean you wouldn’t check it?

In our case the 'bill' presented was just the total, we had to ask for the breakdown in order to check it. Had we simply taken the total and divided by the number of people we'd have been done for £100.

This was some time ago now when bills like this were typically pain in cash. If I were cynical I'd be thinking it would have been very easy for a member of staff to make a tidy sum like this. How many large, drunk, groups would have noticed?


 
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There was a restaurant in Edinburgh famous for this - work do - everyone kicked in and just over £50 short. The other manager and I were scratching our heads and digging into our wallets - then checked the bill again and sure enough they had charged 2 x £27.50 instead of 2 X £2.75. They just shrugged when we pointed it out and updated the bill. I got the impression this was routine stuff and a lot of people had the same story when I asked around. Its fraud really.


 
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I have a fairly simple rule – any messing about at the end of the meal around who pays what & I’ll never eat out with them again. Life is too short for that sort of nonsense.

I have the same rule 👍. This is ok though.

Ask at the start to run your own tab.

Especially if You've got one if these, in fact then it becomes compulsory.

“Sirloin steak, extra fries, onion rings, peppercorn sauce, side of garlic bread and a Pellegrino”


 
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If everyone orders similar amounts then split equally.
If some are drinking lots, and others not. Then pay for what you order.

When I was about 23 I went out with a group who were quite heavy drinkers (4 - 5 drinks during dinner). I'd have one soft drink and they wanted to split the bill. I wasn't prepared to pay £45 when I only ordered £15 worth.


 
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In my experience going out with mates is usually fine, it's when you go to a do where the birthday girl has invited her sister, nephew, hairdresser and a couple of mates from work that you get the "I've eaten the entire menu and sunk two bottles of wine, let's all split the bill equally" argument. Usually when I've had a bowl of soup or a plate of chips.

I don't particularly want to subsidise a vague acquaintance's meal, nor do I expect them to pay for mine. It's all well and good if you're flush but typically you've got people of mixed incomes at the table and those coppering up, there's probably a reason for it. Not everyone is a company director.

For my part, where practical I keep drinks off the bill and order / pay separately at the bar, and will roughly tot up what I've eaten and round up. So your £17.38 in the OP, I'd chuck in £20 or £25 and then leave the rest of the table to squabble about the rest. That covers a tip, any rounding errors I've made or one twelfth of a chutney tray, and anyone else who's a couple of quid lean.


 
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Just for the record, the not buying a round girl never does. Mrs got the first round in at the pub and she even said awww, we should be getting you this, it’s your birthday 😬

Always seems to find money to stick up her nose though

Sounds like quite a catch. Is she single?


 
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In Kiwiland in the more casual eating places (which is most of them) everyone goes to the counter and hands their card over, tells the staff member their table number and what they had, and pays. No drama

Having worked in a restaurant for a long while, I can tell you that, without fail, doing this in the UK will leave the last one to pay with at least 2 extra drinks and sides, if sides were shared, every single shared side will remain unclaimed until the very end.

Unless folks know its been widely disparate split the bill x ways, if you know a huge chunk of the bill is yours chuck in extra then split what's left, if someone continuously takes the piss don't invite them again.

I've got to wonder though OP how the bill ended up at 29 a head yet at least one person (possibly 3) thinking they'd spent only marginally more than half that. Something is rotten in the state


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 2:54 pm
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Had we simply taken the total and divided by the number of people we’d have been done for £100.

Surely noticing an extra say £20 each you’d notice it, even £10?

It’s not entirely possible some places try it on, I’ve seen food or drinks we’ve not ordered added before in various group sizes from 2 of us to large groups. Always been corrected and the odd time with extra taken off for the inconvenience.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 2:57 pm
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That is the problem with fancy dining.

If you go to a Wetherspoons you can each pay separately and enjoy your meal and drinks knowing there is no bill at the end of the night to argue over.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 3:02 pm
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Which Edinburgh restaurant?


 
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Reminds me of my ex.
Embarrassing.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 4:24 pm
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Count it as a life lesson and don't bother going out with that group anymore


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 4:31 pm
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any decent group of mates, I'd just divvy up equally, have done many times no complaints

other groups containing known shirkers, make it crystal upfront what I'm paying for, round it up a bit and then say (as aP) 'that's mine/ours plus a bit for the tip'


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 4:36 pm
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Bill splitters tend to be the ones that start ordering bottles of wine.
A good friend is very astute to this and when out with him he's ready to point out if there needs to be a split correction done for those not drinking etc. He's still the one ordering the wine though and will typically pony up extra for his indulgence.
Bill splitting invariably taints the night for someone. Avoid.
Fortunately with multi person meals, modern pos systems allow split billing. Decent servers can figure out dynamics too.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 4:37 pm
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At uni I had a friend who insisited on keeping the menu at restuarants, and took a pen notepad and calculator with her so she could keep track of who ordered what. I took great delight in ordering something and then asking to change it, and generally trying to confuse her system, as it never worked (she was poor at using a calculator it seems) and took all the joy out of a meal out. Got to the point that we went out with different friends...


 
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In the far east if you are the one inviting (organising) others for a meal, drinks etc, you are expected to pay for all. Others will try to chip in but you have to make it clear in advance that you are paying for "1st round" and they pay for the extra whatever later on. As long as you make it clear there is no misunderstanding. The rule of thumb is that the person who invites is the person who pays. For me I inform them in advance I would pay for myself as if I don't feel comfortable for others to pay for me. However, if you invite others but then ask them to split the bill later on that can be perceived as very rude. Nobody will go out with you in future. Also men are expected to pay and Not women unless we are all classmates or good friends. Nothing sexist about this as the women expect this too because of the custom/tradition/belief etc whatever.

Here in the UK I usually pay more of the share bill say if the bill is £25 per person I would give £30 (should include the 10% tips), and it will be up to the person to give me whatever change back to me as I am not bothered if I get change or not. Life is too short to be exact. For simplicity sake we usually split the bill equally but I am fine with that even when some order more than me. In my mind I have already factored in to pay extra after all we are friends.

Bill splitters tend to be the ones that start ordering bottles of wine.

Funny thing is that I noticed that too on few occasions. In one of my Italian colleague "leaving do", a guy did that. I couldn't be bothered so just paid accordingly but the Italian colleague pointed that to him about his wine. 😄

p/s: Oh ya ... in the far east if you ask for the bill then you are expected to pay for all unless you have made it clear before that.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 4:56 pm
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go on then…why?

Errr! Read the thread.

done that. that's why I posted.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 5:00 pm
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In Canada and other countries I expect when you ask for the bill the server (that’s a waitperson) asks if you want to split the bill. Then each person gets and pays their own bill. It’s great and takes out all the aggravation and irritation of eating in a group with different tastes and budgets.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 5:01 pm
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done that. that’s why I posted.

So you read the bit that says I prefer to split the bill?


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 5:03 pm
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So you read the bit that says I prefer to split the bill?

edit... I can't be bothered


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 5:14 pm
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The Patio, downstairs Italian place on Hanover St. This was many years ago I don't think it is there any more.


 
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The only rule I try to stick to after being burned a few times, is don’t be the person who has to sort the bill out.
I’m happy with any split or actuals approach, but sorting the bill is always fraught.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 5:19 pm
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it depends , my last family meal out, i paid, and sent the receipt to siblings, they all paid within 24 hours, split my mums bill and added 10% tip, i actually was up a few quid :0)

usually split, i prefer going out with just mates, a beer is a set price whereas wifes and females drinking cocktails can really rack up a bill,


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 6:05 pm
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In general, just divvy it up equally (with correction for non-drinkers if appropriate). Nothing sucks the joy out of an occasion like a down-to-the-pence cost breakdown.

However in this case I smell a rat (insert curry joke here):

Mrs STR went out for a birthday curry last night with a few girls...

£29 each to split.

One girl counts out her ‘share’ of £17.38 exactly, another mother and (adult) daughter tried chipping in £30 for the pair of them.

How many is a few ?

At least three of them thought that they'd had ~£15 worth. Either they were wrong, or the remainder spent considerably more than the £29 each.

Sounds like some were taking the piss. (In which case, the system breaks down: I'll pay for what I've had and the rest of you sort it out...).


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 6:31 pm
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It depends who I'm with to how I approach this. I have school friends that I don't see often, but we always end up going for Indian food. I always drive so end up water or coke whilst they're drinking alcohol. I have no problem splitting the bill and often end up having money thrown back at me as I give them a lift home.

We have other friends who I approach the same way if it's just the lads, but always go solo when the partners are out. They're sponges, every night out turns in to a competition to see who can get smashed fastest where both Sarah and I are much more moderate drinkers (read boring 🙂 ). Always go on our own tab on those nights out.


 
Posted : 22/01/2020 6:35 pm
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I have a fairly simple rule – any messing about at the end of the meal around who pays what & I’ll never eat out with them again. Life is too short for that sort of nonsense.

Agreed.

Try not to hang around with tight arses. They're an absolute night-mare...

It should be what goes around comes around but some people are penny pinchers.* And put pence above friendship. It says a lot about their character.

(Genuinely less well-off people excluded.)


 
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