[Closed] So....what would you do with Jihadi John?

I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

And that is exactly their attitude of 'us'.

It's no different. You think you're right. They think they're right. And both parties believe murder is justifiable.

The only way to truly move forward is to understand this behaviour and learn from it.

esselgruntfuttock can you help?

no one answered before - when in the torture porn circle jerk do I stroke the engorged member of my fellow keybord hard nut to the right or the left?

chip

heres a selection for you

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Chip once they get radicalised your the fruit loop

In essence one and the same, the problem comes when the fence sitters and hand wringers don't understand why jihadi john has cultivated enough crop to be sending em back here inside the castle walls

Its moot a few hundred years we will be killing each other for other world resources, probably the Chinese v islamics will be last men standing

Surely that's a bit of a self selecting group?

Don't get me wrong it would be great, and I don't want to sound like I'm crapping over your view. I think it's just a clash of my pessimism vs your optimism...

They probably are a self selecting group but they do tend to end up in high powered jobs back home, so personally I think we should be putting in a lot of effort into creating as much friendly dialogue with them as possible.

We come onto another point of mine which is that I don't think universities do enough in the UK to promote university spirit and intercultural events, a lot of them seem almost segregated.

the fence sitters and hand wringers don't understand

Babysit for my kids is that the level of "debate".

Other players... now there's a term.

Ever stopped to think where IS get their money?

They have come from nowhere to number 1 problem within months.

That doesn't just happen without backing

And no, l don't know who is/are funding them.

But it stinks and think we should limit our exposure to it

I will bet they are also copying the bit of text that suits their arguments needs also

So yes your almost right

You are comparing this sick monster to me, saying our beliefs are the same.
Do you believe he is a sick monster or Isis are a perfectly rational and should be tolerated.

[i]There's a more interesting discussion to be had rather than some torture porn circle jerk. Sorry.[/i]

I answered the OP & I don't have a clue what your'e on about. Sorry.

[i]esselgruntfuttock can you help?[/i]

I answered the OP & I don't have a clue what your'e on about (either). Sorry.

I'll repeat in case you didn't catch it, Kill this crank & his ilk but don't publicise it.

That is my answer to the OP.

Nite.

I struggle to understand how a person can hold so much hate to do this. As has been said, he needs brought to justice, receive a fair trial and if guilty locked away forever. I am sure this is the last thing he wants or expects.

See that Jihadi John Junkyard ? ........ you fancy him you do.

Why don't you marry him ?

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He's your dad he is.

at least I know mine 😉

You are comparing this sick monster to me, saying our beliefs are the same.

I am saying you are both full of hate
I am saying you will both kill the other one for your beliefs
More hate and more killing wont help the situation so your METHODS and response is the same as his

Do you believe he is a sick monster or Isis are a perfectly rational and should be tolerated

You say that, but I bet the fridge is empty when you get home.

Before I did anything rash, I'd consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I'd also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I'd also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

Given all that research, what do you think I'd find?

Another question I'd ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.

He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.

What a stroke of luck!

This clowns not a Muslim.
He's a fruit loop.

Another question I'd ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.

He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.

What a stroke of luck!

It doesn't take a genius or the CIA to kidnap every white person you see until you have a few dozen Americans and Brits, then look up the Nato conference date on your mobile phone.

You say that, but I bet the fridge is empty when you get home.

Errrr

Another question I'd ask him is how he had his timing and strategy so bang on; not only did he do a marvelous job of coinciding with the NATO conference, but he also targeted hostages of just the right nationalities to give the countries who wanted to invade Syria anyway an excuse to do so on the sly.
He even had the decency to have a British accent, so as to forge mistrust and fear of Muslims within the UK and stir racial tensions.
What a stroke of luck!

Why hide behind sarcasm.

Just make whatever accusation you are hinting at ?

Why choose selective pieces to quote, whilst avoiding other questions?

Maybe if you were genuinely interested, you'd research these matters for yourself and come up with your own conclusions..

Before I did anything rash, I'd consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I'd also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I'd also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

Given all that research, what do you think I'd find?

That way you'd be better informed, without excessive bias from my perspective.

Unless you need to be told what to think?

you are right he forgot to quote the bit where you quoted yourself and then replied

Now everyone knows I like a good cut and paste but even i draw the line at quoting myself and replying 😛

It doesn't take a genius or the CIA to kidnap every white person you see until you have a few dozen Americans and Brits, then look up the Nato conference date on your mobile phone.

Well perhaps it isn't quite as easy as it seems it should be, if that was their intention, as jivebunny claims, then they failed miserably - none of the beheadings coincided with the NATO conference.

This chap has help murder three innocent people. He should be executed in the same way Nazi killers were executed for the holocaust.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials

I think jivehoneys point is that the cia/nato/they organised it all as an excuse for another jolly good adventure in the sand and to keep the arms manufacturers happy etc. Which is only slightly more bonkers than some of the kill him and all his family posts.

These are not conflicts that can be won, killing the people doing this won't get rid of their ideas. Bombing them from a great height will only fuel their propaganda. Be prepared for a lot of videos of dead children being linked to air strikes, the media aware angle is one of the most worrying parts for me.

Now everyone knows I like a good cut and paste but even i draw the line at quoting myself and replying

OK, maybe I'm too lazy to do the research myself at the mo and I'm nagging like a 6 year old so someone else will do it for me; extra points if you do actually manage to restrain and question Jihadi John

Why choose selective pieces to quote

Because what I quoted, was the bit that was relevant to the question I asked you.

whilst avoiding other questions?

Nobody has asked me any questions.

Point out where they have and I'll gladly answer them.

Maybe if you were genuinely interested you'd research these matters for yourself and come up with your own conclusions..

And where do you get the idea I haven't?

That way you'd be better informed, without excessive bias from my perspective.

You're just going to have to trust me on this.

Your perspective, doesn't have any effect at all, on what I think about anything.

..Unless you need to be told what to think?

What have a I said about this subject that would lead you believe that ?

Quote please.

PS.

You didn't answer my question.

Why hide behind sarcasm.

Why not just make your point ? Accuse away.

OK, maybe I'm too lazy to do the research .....

I suspect that's probably true. It took me several seconds to figure out that the NATO Conference occurred on 4/5 Sept and that no one was executed on those two days.

Well, 10,000 up votes for "bomb them all" and 200 down votes on the Daily Heils comments section.

I'm glad the British are finally showing their sense of proportionality, like those same Daily Mailers ask of Israelis. Keep calm and carry on hey.

I'm not going to think about this anymore, waste of my time, I'm going to switch off my brain and get my fill of nihilist humour from "It's always sunny in Philly". ****ing stupid humans.

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It took me several seconds to figure out that the NATO Conference occurred on 4/5 Sept and that no one was executed on those two days.

Fair point but you wouldn't expect it to happen on those days themselves as the conference delegates would be busy negotiating; the scene has to be set beforehand, the threat level raised for ample dramatic effect.

Lets get this down to basics:

Do the government have a history of lying?

Are there links between the media and government?

Which is more profitable, War or Peace?

Who profits from war?

Do you have a history of coming up with conspiracy theories ?

Peace. Wars have this magical propensity for stuffing up world trade.

Peace. Wars have this propensity to stuff up world trade.

I like that theory, just wish world leaders shared your viewpoint

These are not conflicts that can be won, killing the people doing this won't get rid of their ideas.

It will stop them from killing the innocent people they were on their way to kill when the got bombed.

Bombs have big blast radiuses. Bombs should only be used in an actual full on shooting match to protect your own soldiers and civilians, not for targeted killings in residential areas.

It's like hitting a wasp on a hornets nest with a jack hammer.

Use smaller bombs.

Do you have a history of coming up with conspiracy theories ?

I have a history of questioning the system and exposing a large number of truths that are generally hidden from mass media...

When you think about it, our understanding of all the most intrinsic factors of our existence and surroundings are conspiracy theory:

Researched facts, pieced together with conjecture

Small bombs the size of grenades will not be accurate enough, less mass means they tend to disperse more over long distances. You want to kill people with no causalities then you have to get up close and personal. It's that simple.

Bombing will achieve not one military objective outside of maybe protecting kurds etc. People over estimate just how "awesome" military hardware is.

chip - Member

These are not conflicts that can be won, killing the people doing this won't get rid of their ideas.

It will stop them from killing the innocent people they were on their way to kill when the got bombed.

Bomb them when they are trying to take a city whilst working with the people on the ground to defend that city.
Stopping them taking a city easier from the skies while they are meeting resistance from with in.

Once a city has fallen then you have to take it back on the ground.

and one fighter becomes a martyr and 10 more take his place.

Kill them too.

They don't always operate like that though, they use a mix of conventional and insurgent tactics. How can you bomb an army that slowly filters into a city unbeknownst to the security services? An army like ISIS will do their utmost best never to be caught out in the open.

And then where does the edge of a city start? Where do you draw the lines as to where the bombs fall. "Oh, they've crossed the ring road! Can't drop the bombs now!" No, the bombs carry on falling and children and women start dying.

That's what the public and politicians don't get, they have completely unrealistic expectations of what the military can do. Force needs to be used, with careful thought about your objectives and the potential outcomes.

Bomb all the ones you can while you can.
Less of them left to infiltrate the cities.

So you think we can tell the difference between pick up trucks full of terrorists and pick up trucks full of women and children now? So much surveillance and human based intel has to go into doing that and then by that time, all the others have slowly seeped into your city. The old adage that the bomber always get's through rings as true today as it did during world war 2.

To give you an idea of how hard this is, the Israelis actually have a reasonably decent insurgent to civilian ratio and look at the issues even that caused!

I have a history of questioning the system [b]and exposing a large number of truths that are generally hidden from mass media[/b]...

Examples please.

I would hit the ones with the 50 cal guns bolted in the back and surrounding vehicles .

Maybe the tanks and the hummers too.
It's my hunch they are not families out for a picnic.

And then they change their tactics and retreat into the shadows.

I support limited strikes to support the kurds but that's it, as we don't have credible resources, defined long term objectives and political will to back a larger campaign up. Bombing Syria and Iraq into the stone age, is IMO a completely idiotic idea that's barely worth my time thinking about if it wasn't for the fact that so many people seem to support it.

Bomb them when they are trying to take a city whilst working with the people on the ground to defend that city.
Stopping them taking a city easier from the skies while they are meeting resistance from with in.

Once a city has fallen then you have to take it back on the ground.

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Everyone except Generals Keitel, Jodl, Krebs, and Burgdorf, leave the room.

Researched [s]facts[/s] theories, pieced together with conjecture

There's a more interesting discussion to be had rather than some torture porn circle jerk. Sorry.

[quote=chip]Kill them too.

[url= http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Insight ]What we need is a way of targeting all of our enemies and eliminating anyone who disagrees with us[/url]
or perhaps
[url= http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/ ]A way of working out who will do bad things and getting rid of them before they do.[/url]

It doesn't take a genius or the CIA

ISWYDT

I have a history of questioning the system and exposing a large number of truths that are generally hidden from mass media...

Examples please.

From day 1, I told you there was something dodgy about Lee Rigby:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5320/mi5-and-mi6-tell-mps-to-censor-key-report-on-lee-rigby-s-killers

Same with Max Clifford; was posting about him way before he got arrested

Given you the lowdown on Rupert Murdoch's links to Rothschilds, Dick Cheney (thus Halliburton, who seem to do quite well out of the war business) and Oil & Gas in Israel

And most important of all, I keep banging on about child trafficking from care homes across the UK and further afield, involving members of the political elite and including the very murky case of Jimmy Savile on Jersey, the worlds wealthiest tax haven which is under the authority of the Queen.

So Mr Glover, what have you brought to the table of late?

Well, this a seriously weird thread. How many of you posting about what you'd do to him have served in the forces? I can understand this, to a degree, from someone who has actually been there / done that, but from somebody that hasn't? Just adolescent ****. Without wanting to get into jivehoneyjive territory, I have doubts that this guy is the one actually carrying out the beheadings - I tend to think he's just the poster boy for IS, a very good attempt to create a bogeyman that's more scarey because he's one of us. Then again, that's immaterial, he's still involved in this shit, so I suppose the next question would be what to do with him if he's ever identified and captured alive. In my opinion, he's too far gone now, too radicalised and beyond any form of rehabilitation. I suppose that whatever happens to him, it needs to be done with the minimum amount of publicity - he's obviously prepared to go to horrendous lengths for his ideology, which I would imagine includes dying for his cause, so it would be playing into IS' hands to make a martyr of him. As far as torture is concerned, would that bring back any of the people that have been killed? Don't get me wrong, I feel no sympathy for this guy whatsoever, I just know I wouldn't be capable of torturing someone. I suppose (and also apologise for rambling on) that my response to the original post would be that I hope he's found and stopped, by whatever means necessary, and if that includes killing him, then fair enough - I just can't get into all this bum him to death nonsense that's being posted.

+1 Mitch.

I understand that these people want to be martyrs.

Well - good luck with that.

Seriously. 😀

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What we should do is the very worst we can within our system. Trace him, detain him, arrest him give him a fair trial and if/when guilty sentence him to a whole life tariff . During that process interrogate him so as to obtain hard intelligence about associates and activities and soft about background motives opinions.

It is amusing that those who want the worst for him are dismissed as liberal hand wringers while those who want to give him the martyrs death, he no doubt boasts of craving, see their stance as heroic and practical.

jj most probably spent ages on the internet bragging about the riotous justice he would bring to those who had in his eyes attacked his people . just as on here the "hard men" fantasise about jj being killed or raped or his family rounded up (WTF) or even everyone who practices the religion he claims to follow being collectively punished.

What we should do is address the problem at home, that condones extremism, tolerates ghettoisation of large tracts of our cities and brings festering resentment.

You could even argue that we are breeding an entire legion of fifth columnists if we are indeed 'at war against terror' which we're not really.

This misguided idiot would not be acting the way he is without assuming an audience and probably considering himself a rockstar of barbarism against the 'infidel' when in point of fact he's a coward who won't even show his face and can only fight defenceless care workers and journo's, not exactly a warrior of the first order.

There is only one course of action against violence at this level and it isn't by appeasement, what was it Churchill said about appeasement? Feeding a crocodile in the hope he won't eat you? That is what has being going on for so long, on top of all the idiotic errors in foreign policy concerning the Middle East.

It's almost got to the state where if they kill one of ours we should then line up ten of theirs (Hate preaching Mullahs) in orange with meat cleavers at their necks then challenge them to kill one more, that is the only level you can appeal to these sort of medieval butchers.

Or the obvious nuke it from orbit solution to the middle east.

I'd like to hear 'Uncle' TomW1987 and Junkyard boys solution to the issue. Because so far left leaning liberal views and tolerance hasn't exactly helped things back here has it?

Me, I'd rid the country of Mosques, make the religion illegal along with wearing the clothing that freely identifies 'them' as a group separate to the rest of us and force assimilation into the UK way of things, or don't and 'don't' carries the option of a one way fare anywhere they wish but here.

We should have no place for a mysogynistic homophobic culture within our midst, never mind an audience that claps for the wrong side in a cricket match and this latest example is way beyond mysogyny and homophobia, treason is actually what's going on as is everyone who supports them.

What would I do? Drop him with a single shot, bury the body alongside a pig and tell no one.

Me, I'd rid the country of Mosques, make the religion illegal along with wearing the clothing that freely identifies 'them' as a group separate to the rest of us and force assimilation into the UK way of things, or don't and 'don't' carries the option of a one way fare anywhere they wish but here.

How does that work?

force assimilation into the UK way of things

You mean freedom of speech, freedom of worship, the freedom to wear whatever clothes you like?

I am all for some direct action against ISIS but that just sounds like EDL nonsense.

FWIW I would suggest that as soon as any of their vehicles move, tanks, humvees etc, they are hit by drones, apaches etc. If you can confirm a large group in one place, a fuel air bomb would be handy.

gobuchul - Member
How does that work?

force assimilation into the UK way of things
You mean freedom of speech, freedom of worship, the freedom to wear whatever clothes you like?

Pretty much, freedom of speech? That went long ago, brought about exactly in the quest to placate religious minorities.
It's England, you want to come here and be religious? Use one of the ones we already have, sorry Islam is now illegal, it's a violent and aggressive belief system and it's no longer tolerated here, you had your chance.

The Last war if you were German or Japanese you went to internment camps, I'm not even suggesting that. I'm suggesting the removal of the root cause of all this, Islamic religious fervour. Not exactly rocket science to simply get rid of it.

jivehoneyjive - Member

From day 1, I told you there was something dodgy about Lee Rigby

You haven't got a photo of him with Jimmy Savile have you?

Has rosaatease actually broken the law with his rantings yet? Coz I'm not sure I'd be wanting that kind of islamaphobic bs on my website.

"has rosaatease actually broken the law with his rantings yet?"
a few laws of logic and common sense clearly broken.

If the laws of logic and common sense were legally enforcible, I'd be going down for a long time with no parole!

"Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006
Hatred against persons on religious grounds

Meaning of “religious hatred”

29A

Meaning of “religious hatred”
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In this Part “religious hatred” means hatred against a group of persons defined by reference to religious belief or lack of religious belief.

Acts intended to stir up religious hatred

29B

Use of words or behaviour or display of written material
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(1)

A person who uses threatening words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, is guilty of an offence if he intends thereby to stir up religious hatred.
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(2)

An offence under this section may be committed in a public or a private place, except that no offence is committed where the words or behaviour are used, or the written material is displayed, by a person inside a dwelling and are not heard or seen except by other persons in that or another dwelling.
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(3)

A constable may arrest without warrant anyone he reasonably suspects is committing an offence under this section.
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(4)

In proceedings for an offence under this section it is a defence for the accused to prove that he was inside a dwelling and had no reason to believe that the words or behaviour used, or the written material displayed, would be heard or seen by a person outside that or any other dwelling.
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(5)

This section does not apply to words or behaviour used, or written material displayed, solely for the purpose of being included in a programme service."

So close but no crime imho.

The only way to combat an idea is to undermine the ideology, we can do that without sending bombs and soldiers around the world.

I reckon Rotherham social services have that list tattoo'd on their arses.

Not exactly rocket science to simply get rid of it.

Junkyard - lazarus
Not exactly rocket science to simply get rid of it.

yes banning a religion works and it definitely does not drive them underground, radicalise them or give them a reason to hate us

And I'm so eager to hear your idea for the solution to your babysitter problem?

He's going to let me do it. I'm a Catholic, and as any fule kno, all Catholics are beyond reproach.

rossatease - Member
And I'm so eager to hear your idea for the solution to your babysitter problem?

🙄

"barnsleymitch - Member
He's going to let me do it. I'm a Catholic, and as any fule kno, all Catholics are beyond reproach."
No you are not. Catholics are well know dodgy religious extremists, sometime ago we rid the country of their churches, made the religion illegal along with wearing the clothing and symbols that freely identified 'them' as a group separate to the rest of us forced assimilation into the protestant way of things, and burnt to death a fair few. That worked out! we successfully got rid of all the papists and have not had a moments trouble since.

All religions could be used for good by their religious leaders or for bad depending how it's scriptures are interpreted and used.
The bible has been used to kill many in the past. As it has been used to do much good in the world.
No religion is any better or worse than another it's how some people use it to do evil that is a problem .

How long did it take us to get rid of that hook handed bastard who openly spouted his vitreous nonsense while his whole family were happy to be supported by the state he railed against.
Schools in Birmingham branding white woman prostitutes.

I welcome all religions and there followers when used to promote integration and harmony.
But anyone who uses it to promote devision and hate needs to be removed from their position of power.

I'm so eager to hear your idea for the solution to your babysitter problem?

If i wont have him babysit for me I must assassinate him and ban his religion and persecute his family?
Its not even childish as a question its a public statement of stupidity that you are happy to repeat.

Mitch I would be honoured and would have no issue with you babysitting bit of a travel though 😉

anyone who uses it to promote devision and hate needs to be removed from their position of power

So think of it as a Cult, that encourages the hatred of homosexuals, and the deprivation of women, then it's military arm engages in the beheading of enemies, and suddenly your children were leaving to fight for it.

Would that be tolerated in a decent society?

I really don't get this 'islamaphobia' thing, that suggests fear of islam, when the reality is that folk are being conditioned to fear and regard us as the evil in life. Not surprising really the way we allow our streets to fill with drunken spewing women with their dresses half way up their backsides, but nonetheless it inspires parents of a religious in a moral sense to fall easy prey to the teaching of their clergy that we are degenerate and in need of cleansing.

So in a recent poll 40% want Sharia Law. And us lot as infidels would all fall eventually foul of it if it did ever get a grip and their faith filled the vacuum we have left by deserting our own (No, I'm not a God botherer either I'm just trying to fathom some logic as to why anyone in their right mind would encourage tolerance of their activities on our home soil).

The very fact some of you are intimating that I'm acting illegally writing like this doesn't exactly help the predicament we find ourselves in, softly kow towing, praying that cabby won't be next. Hoping they don't bomb us again.

Someone give me another solution? No other religion acts this way, Religions are supposed to be about peace, love and understanding, we have all manner of them here, all co existing, only one is causing an issue. If it were a drug it would be banned. If it were a Cult it would be discouraged, what is so wrong with banning it, you could be releasing lots of folk trapped in an ideology they are not really that happy to be a part of.

No other religion acts this way

Brilliant. 10/10

C'mon give us some more of your best material 😆

The man who gave his shoes away to a homeless person guided by his faith.
A beautiful man who happened to be Muslim.

Jihadi john, an evil cowardly scumbag scumbag who happens to be Muslim.

Both claim to follow the same faith.
One who is good and one who uses it for evil.

Out of interest, isn't Jihadi John just a posterboy for IS? I understood that the videos don't actually show the beheadings. Presumably there's some reason for that.

Oh and come on, Rossa, don't leave us hanging!

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When dodgy god based cults come here to recruit they don't waste there time trying to recruit any stranger passing by they go to churches normally seventh day Adventist churches.

Because the love, fear and belief in god is already there,
They just need to single out the ones they can twist enough to join them.

nemesis - Member
No other religion acts this way
Brilliant. 10/10

C'mon give us some more of your best material

OK, maybe the suffix [i]in this day and age[/i]

Is that a bit of bark stuck to your jumper..?