[Closed] So....what would you do with Jihadi John?

He hasn't beheaded anyone though, but yes, maybe we should put Jihadi John in a cell with Charlie Bronson. That would be a much more fitting punishment.

I'd pay for a Sky TV subscription if there was a 24 hour tv channel to watch it all on.

I read his autobiography 15 years ago.

If I remember correctly he held a guard hostage, shoved something up his rusty sheriffs badge and claimed he did not mistreat him as he gave him his last rolo.

Or something along those lines, nuts I tell you.

Unless we try to understand what makes a young British person want to go abroad and kill people we will not be able to stop other young British people doing the same.

Not condoning what they have done at all but the people who really need to be held to account are those that have radicalised them.

Ernie lynch you sir have the wrong end of the stick. This chap has help murder three innocent people. He should be executed in the same way Nazi killers were executed for the holocaust. The middle east is a lost cause anyhow and always will be.
There's a good idea, kill a guy who want's to die a propaganda friendly martyrs death when we have solitary confinement for him and people who aren't even as bas as him (Charlie Bronson etc). You **** genius.

Iv'e said it before in the pacific WW2 the Japanese were known for being much more mental, two strikes and they literally turned yellow and gave it up as a bad job,
Wrong. The Japanese were already on verge of giving up anyway as the Allied naval campaign was starving them of food and strategic resources. Thatcher wouldn't have blanket bombed anyone, she never blanket bombed Argentina and she couldn't even preside over the effective blanket bombing of a shitty airfield in the Falklands.

There's no need for intolerance but on the other hand we all have to tolerate a minorities actions, well you don't see their own lot sorting the problem for us and now they feel aggreived they are all being tarred with the same brush.
Last time I watched the news on tv a muslim family was crying and basically disowning their daughter for going to Syria. Is there some Muslim action force special forces or something that I've missed? Who should be hunting down explodey types and killing them in their sleep? Would that be enough for you?

Yawn

Thatcher wouldn't have blanket bombed anyone, she never blanket bombed Argentina and she couldn't even preside over the effective blanket bombing of a shitty airfield in the Falklands.

Ahem !!! That was a Vulcan mission I hope you know !!! haven't you got it yet ????? all true stw`er are Vulcan fanatics, its all to do with the noise you see ..................its right good and sends shivers up thi backside !
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To be fair, I do think we should go a little bit Mossady with them on the down low but there's no need to get all emotional, call for judicial executions or carpet bombings and make a big deal out of it.....as you basically martyr them.

The best thing we can do is ignore them and swat them every so often when we get the chance. Flies, just flies.

Ahem !!! That was a Vulcan mission I hope you know !!! haven't you got it yet ????? all true stw`er are Vulcan fanatics, its all to do with the noise you see ..................its right good and sends shivers up thi backside !

Hah.

Life imprisonment (obviously) and mockery... lots of piss-taking

This. These buggers want to be taken seriously, don't. Remove all press coverage about him and spend your days taking the pee out of him. Not out of Islam in general but out of this individual and perhaps the specific brand of the religion he believes in. In fact, that's not a bad punishment for any religious extremist, Muslim, Christian or anything else for that matter.

Martyr the lot of them, we get shot of them, they get to start their afterlife, win win.
David Haines was a true humanitarian and worth more than the lot of them put together
If they are no more they cannot take anymore hostages and the internet can go back to being used for the simple pleasures in life like the discussion of what tyres for what mountain bicycling trails .

Considering he would be martyred whatever you/we/they did, i wouldnt be suprised if they already had him, suspended by his toes by someone who doesnt tehcnically have a nationallity, in a department that isnt technically part of the country it is located in.

The whole film appears to be on ootoob too, if you have a spare few hours

Ernie lynch you sir have the wrong end of the stick.

You mean in that the death penalty hasn't stamped out terrorism in the Middle East ?

Yeah I knew that, it was kind of deliberate.

Ensure he bacame a casualty of war so couldn't come back or do anything else

Is he actually guilty of anything in the UK? And if he isn't, can he be legally extradited to somewhere like Iraq or Syria where he has no guarantee of a fair trial, and a likely death sentence?

He really should be caught in the crosshairs of a British snipers rifle at about 1000 mtrs. 'CRACK!' & dropped stone dead.
No news, no drama. Just never to be heard of again.

Unfortunately it won't work like that & there's always some other crank to take his place.

I respect and accept the moderate views on here. Millions died in two world wars to fight for your freedom to express whatever view you like. Trouble is these extremists only understand one thing and that's violence. Wenneed to show them who is top dog and get them on the back foot. I know I'll be berated for this and like I said that's your right. We fought for it so enjoy your freedom while it lasts. Next stop could be sharia law.

Ok, this is not one of STW's best threads. Stop it now.

Help him lose his mind with a massive dose if acid.

Well done raveydavey, you've earned this

If I was with him I wouldn't give him any human contact at all... I would feed him, give him space to live and shelter but I wouldn't engage personally with him. I couldn't trust myself to not rant and rage and I would not give him that satisfaction.

We fought for it so enjoy your freedom while it lasts. Next stop could be sharia law.

Because ISIS are executing people ? How does that work ...... ISIS executes a load of people and Britain declares itself to be a Muslim country with sharia law ?

Well done raveydavey, you've earned this

Can't be arsed watching that tbh as EDL scum are as bad as the extremists. I'll bow out now and leave the lefties to organise help groups for the misunderstood naughty brain washed boys. Hope Iit doesn't come home to haunt you.

molgrips - Member
Ok, [s]this is not one of STW's best threads.[/s] I don't agree with everything that's being said here, so stop it now.

Molgrips is right.

Serious stuff aside I first read this thread title as 'Jilted John'...

RaveyDavey - Member
I respect and accept the moderate views on here. Millions died in two world wars to fight for your freedom to express whatever view you like. Trouble is these extremists only understand one thing and that's violence. Wenneed to show them who is top dog and get them on the back foot. I know I'll be berated for this and like I said that's your right. We fought for it so enjoy your freedom while it lasts. Next stop could be sharia law.

Trouble is, and I don't for one moment condone the violence being committed by IS, one of the things that has caused all this is the Sykes-Picot Agreement. As in Sir Mark Sykes (British) and Francois Georges-Picot (French) who divvied up some of the Middle East in 1915-16 and set the west on the the road to all this, to a greater extent.

And I guess we showed them who was 'top dog' 100 years ago and look where we found ourselves: right in the mess we have now.

@RaveyFavey: may I suggest you stop reading the Daily Fail and / or the Torygraph?

there is so much wrong with this lad that if it wasnt barbaric it would be comedy. an english bloke sets off from home to help those muslims suffering oppresion from another muslim only to find his life taken by another british bloke who says he is doing it in the name of those same muslims,

one has pride in his work and is humble one has pride in his work broadcasts it to the world and yet carefully ensures that his identity and location cannot be easily discovered . does he fear something, the first brit didnt, in terrible circumstances he bravely and humbly succomend to the cowardly publicity seeking anonymous brit who murdered him.

chip - Member

Martyr the lot of them, we get shot of them, they get to start their afterlife, win win.

Yep, and martyrs [i]never[/i] inspire others to follow in their footsteps.

RaveyDavey - Member
Hope Iit doesn't come home to haunt you.

I'm willing to bet our 'interventions' will haunt us longer, as JulianA said we're up to 100 years at least so far. And the eternal "Arm this faction. Arm that faction. Support another faction against the faction we armed a few years ago."

Some interesting responses so far. May I ask the hand wringers such as Moley....would your response be any different if the ones who had their heads hacked off with a short knife, were your Father, brother, son......would you feel any different?

Inconveniently people who don't like Islamic ideology and are derided as Daily Mail bigots keep turning out to be correct.

I'd hope that my response would be the same, and knowing my family they wouldn't want vengeance.

As has been said before, we're supposed to be the civilised ones.

Yep, and martyrs never inspire others to follow in their footsteps.

Next in line is a kind hearted cabbie who just wanted to help people.

RaveyDavey - Member

I'll bow out now and leave the lefties to organise help groups for the misunderstood naughty brain washed boys.

But all you've done is frighten us with 'next stop sharia law' without making any suggestions at all concerning what can be done.

ISome interesting responses so far. May I ask the hand wringers such as Moley....would your response be any different if the ones who had their heads hacked off with a short knife, were your Father, brother, son......would you feel any different?

So you want to carpet bomb them and show them who's boss?

What's wrong with tit for tat cold war cloak and daggers stuff. Silently bump them off, make it look like inter-faction rivalry or an accident and leave it at that. No big show, no martyism, no crowds burning American flags whilst chanting about Allahs snackbar. We can wait, whether it be a week or 20 years for the chance and play the long game.

The other option is we bring them back to the UK and put them in solitary so they can wait 50 years before they get to meet their 72 virgins.

chip - Member

Only other twisted ****, who should meet the same fate.

Are you, somehow, missing the point? Nobody cares about the people committing these acts, we're not saying "Oh poor misunderstood John"- we care about not motivating a whole bunch more. It's not in our self interest to throw fuel on the fire.

You can say "How would you feel if you were the family"- how would you feel if you're the [i]next [/i]family? You can't stop the next terrorist by executing the last one.

But all you've done is frighten us with 'next stop sharia law' without making any suggestions at all concerning what can be done.

You lads have it all mapped out you don't need war mongering solutions featuring MOABs and fuel/air bombs from me. Party on boys.

Northwind, they don't seem to understand that bombs falling can equal under certain circumstance, more terrorists. Especially when there is no long term plan to redevelop a region.

"We nuked Japan", yes clever clogs but the Americans also poured billions into rebuilding the country so they had a friendly trading partner.

Tom_W1987 - Member
I'm willing to bet our 'interventions' will haunt us longer, as JulianA said we're up to 100 years at least so far. And the eternal "Arm this faction. Arm that faction. Support another faction against the faction we armed a few years ago.
So you want to carpet bomb them and show them who's boss?

What's wrong with tit for tat cold war cloak and daggers stuff. Silently bump them off, make it look like inter-faction rivalry or an accident and leave it at that. No big show, no martyism, no crowds burning American flags whilst chanting about Allahs snackbar. We can wait, whether it be a week or 20 years for the chance and play the long game.

The other option is we bring them back to the UK and put them in solitary so they can wait 50 years before they get to meet their 72 virgins.

Woah.

Completely wrong end of the stick there sunshine.

My opinion is what the hell are we doing there anyway? What have we done in the region that's made it better?

Get out, right out.

wilburt - Member

Inconveniently people who don't like Islamic ideology and are derided as Daily Mail bigots keep turning out to be correct.

You mean like Stop the War Coalition which correctly predicted that Bush and Blair's military adventures would lead to this ?

Quoted the wrong person there lifer.

RaveyDavey - Member
You lads have it all mapped out you don't need war mongering solutions featuring MOABs and fuel/air bombs from me. Party on boys.

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EDIT - no worries Tom

[i]The other option is we bring them back to the UK and put them in solitary so they can wait 50 years before they get to meet their 72 virgins.[/i]

At a cost to the taxpayer of how much? A .338 Lapua Magnum LockBase B408 bullet probably only costs about £3 or £4. If these people could be identified & found, I think the world would be better off if they vanished without trace.

Sounds simple but it probably isn't.

I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

I guess that depends on whether you're willing to put your money where your mouth is in terms of your values and/or whether you want boots on the ground to be caught red handed killing people on sovereign territory. Aka the Lillehammer affair.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lillehammer_affair

or understood.

With no offence intended chip, I think this is silly.

You bunch of saps can jog on if you think you are getting in my bunker .
Anyone who wishes to turn a blind eye to mass murder and kidnapping of hundreds of women and children into slavery are clearly mental.

Then we need to commit to the operation fully and be prepared to fill the ensuing power vacuum with boots on the ground and PROPER funding for both the military and the rebuilding of civilian infrastructure. Instead of what we had with Bush, which involved the total dissolution of the Iraqi military and grossly incompetent rebuilding programs. Then we need to be prepared to lose soldiers for the next 25 years whilst the locals negotiate with each other to form a functioning country or countries.

But we aren't prepared to do that because the American and British public want the moon on a stick.

And the little matter of that tactic never working.

History repeats genocidal meglomaniacs tend to not stay confined to their own borders,bigger picture why the **** the Muslims aren't saying lets sort our own kind out now,before it gets out that we really DGAS about anyone else on the planet who isn't on the A plan

honestly at what point do you think their going to say ok infidels lets sit down and talk, its a pretty easy to figure out question

didn't we have one of these threads when Lee Rigby was murdered?

what happened to those two...Oh yeah, I remember, gather evidence, trail, prison.

And the little matter of that tactic never working

Iraq didn't, however there have been plenty of successful peace keeping operations when foreign military powers have aided governments in countering insurgencies.

Sphincter, japs eye, can of expanding foam. Watch the magic happen!

Then we need to commit to the operation fully and be prepared to fill the ensuing power vacuum with boots on the ground and PROPER funding for both the military and the rebuilding of civilian infrastructure. Instead of what we had with Bush.

Exactly, and every country on this planet who disagrees with what is happening needs to get involved and wipe these people out and work to build a future for the good people of Iraq.

If Islamic state becomes a reality, and become cash rich through oil production there will be a world war if you like it or not.

Aye its a world war but if funda-mentalists get a non conventional capability it wont be a stalemate of the cold war their that desperate to get the 40 virgins they wouldn't hesitate to risk being smited off the planet .

And by rebuilding Chip, I mean that the world needs to be a little bit of a fairer place. Regions and countries who's population have no means of bettering themselves economically and feel no real control over their own lives, have a tendency to breed marxist revolutionaries or religious terrorists.

Trade, it's all about trade. When people have mutually beneficial reasons for not killing each other then it all stops.

[i]and become cash rich through oil production there will be a world war if you like it or not.[/i]

Exactly what I said today. What we need is a substitute for oil then the West can say, 'sorry, don't need your oil anymore, crack on'.

Again, not so simple.

And that would lead to an entire region being poverty stricken, which would mean regional war that might cross into europe, famine and more immigrants.

You total geniuses!

Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.

Quit frankly you make me sick.

Well Chip, I empathise with your point of view because as a pseudo semi retired socialist - I'd quite like to see the developing world being given a helping hand in escaping political instability and famine. Etc.

[quote=chip said]I understand isis are despicable in every way, a bunch of genocidal megalomaniacs.
They need to be destroyed, not tolerated, humoured or understood.

problem is that you are just like them as that is what they say about infidels like us. You are both willing to do commit abhominal acts for your beliefs.
as NW notes

You can't stop the next terrorist by executing the last one.

Before I did anything rash, I'd consult a variety of sources in an attempt to ensure he is who he seems to be.

If by magic we were in a room and he was restrained, I would question him extensively, studying his body language as he answered, then research all the links he provided me with.

Furthermore, I'd also look more deeply into the background of his victims, just to make sure they were who the media said they were.

And I'd also fully research the videos themselves for any clues of tampering or fakery.

[b]Given all that research, what do you think I'd find?[/b]

Tom_W1987 - Member
And by rebuilding Chip, I mean that the world needs to be a little bit of a fairer place. Regions and countries who's population have no means of bettering themselves economically and feel no real control over their own lives, have a tendency to breed marxist revolutionaries or religious terrorists.

And that would take regime change in a number of countries...

You can't talk about intervention against ISIS without considering the other players.

Ah Africa fine poverty stricken ,nowt to offer no one gives a shit who's chopping whose kids arms off

Middle east oil to offer it goes mental,

chip - Member
Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.

Quit frankly you make me sick.

Classy move.

Depends on the country Lifer, some of the other softer countries that are more stable can probably be bettered through soft power, trade relations, academic relations and cultural relations....long term stuff similar to what the UN does. Maybe I'm an optimist though.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

[quote=chip said]Anyone who has a war memorial in there town or village go and visit it tomorrow and read the names of the men who paid the ultimate sacrifice to protect you from evil such as this. And you are happy to turn a blind eye to such behaviour so you can carry on your lives worrying about which coffee machine for bike park wales while innocent people are being slaughtered.
Quit frankly you make me sick.

I hear your call who do I have to torture and kill- sorry send to the afterlife- for freedom ?

Quite a bit of oil in Africa

And diamonds

problem is that you are just like them as that is what they say about infidels like us. You are both willing to do commit abhominal acts for your beliefs.
as NW notes

If you believe that you are a div, plain and simple.

Oh how you sway me with your powerful use of logic and reason

Tom_W1987 - Member
Depends on the country Lifer, some of the other softer countries that are more stable can probably be bettered through soft power, trade relations, academic relations and cultural relations....long term stuff similar to what the UN does. Maybe I'm an optimist though.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

The trouble is there is a history of the west going into the region under the guise of modernisation, education, trade deals etc whilst actually fomenting revolutions, coups and fixing elections. And people remember things like that.

Sway nothing, it's the truth, if you believe killing genocidal murderers to save lives of others makes you the same as them you are a div.

Education is brilliant, bring a foreign masters graduate to the UK to do their PhD and quite often they go home with completely different values to the ones they arrived with.

Tom, while I agree in principle, sadly it's within the realm of education that many are radicalised.

If you think they have a logical process the infidel is already on the hit list

Yup, well we need to put that behind us. But I've worked with loads of middle eastern academics and I never once got that feeling from them, they wanted more ties with the west. That's who you have to get on side, the academics, industrialists and the influential.

Tom, while I agree in principle, sadly it's within the realm of education that many are radicalised.

Read British born undergraduates. Haven't heard of any PhD science students being radicalised yet. If a ****stani student hasn't already been radicalised in ****stan they sure as shit aren't going to be here.

& oh so typically STW goes off on a tangent or two. The original OP was, 'So....what would you do with Jihadi John?'

Simple question AFAIC & I've said what I'd like to see happen.

It is not like he thinks that killing westerners will stop us acting there and save the lives of his people. It snot like he thinks Muslims who disagree are divs ....aye your are nothing like him nothing at all.

I would like to see him offer his services to junkyard as a baby sitter and see if he takes him up on his offer.

esselgruntfuttock - Member
& oh so typically STW goes off on a tangent or two. The original OP was, 'So....what would you do with Jihadi John?'

Simple question AFAIC & I've said what I'd like to see happen.

There's a more interesting discussion to be had rather than some torture porn circle jerk. Sorry.

chip - Member
I would like to see him offer his services to junkyard as a baby sitter and see if he takes him up on his offer.

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I beleive murderous fruit loops should die,
He believes anyone who does not share his religious ideology should die.

We are exactly the same.

In fact, thinking about it, of all the academicsI've worked with that I'm most fond of, one was an Iraqi bloke, one was a Qatari bloke and one was an Iranian female, who never wore a headscarf.

There's got to be something the academic world can do, some sort of west-east reconciliation program or something.

Well, I'm going to need a drink now so I don't spend the night trying to construct a utopia in my head.

Tom_W1987 - Member
Yup, well we need to put that behind us. But I've worked with loads of middle eastern academics and I never once got that feeling from them, they wanted more ties with the west.

Surely that's a bit of a self selecting group?

Don't get me wrong it would be great, and I don't want to sound like I'm crapping over your view. I think it's just a clash of my pessimism vs your optimism...