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That living in Perthshire and working in Edinburgh isn't looking that smart now huh! 😥
Any indication as to for how long?
Inspection tomorrow morning, but it sounds serious!
They'd best start building another bridge then....
I had recently wondered if when the new bridge is finished the existing one would be almost permanently closed for never ending refurbishment work...
Well, that changes my travel plans tomorrow.
Ah well. Not scrapping the toll might have helped towards upkeep.
My dads uncle refused to go over it. He had something to do with the cables and swore they were rubbish.
[quote=onehundredthidiot ]Ah well. Not scrapping the toll might have helped towards upkeep. Just like the rest of the road network? Oh....
Fully closed in both directions today.
http://trafficscotland.org/currentincidents/details.aspx?id=a6192
Have the remaining cables started to go then?
They stated "steel work" and "structural faults" earlier in the week.
If the cables are gubbed, their not ready to admit it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35001277
The photos on the BBC site look like the people doing the inspecting are below road level, so doubt it is the cables. Last report I read on the cables said that the efforts to contain the decay were working.
Truly grim commuting for anyone going through that.
It's not cables. They've found a problem in the steelwork in one location and are checking seven equivalent locations for further damage.
I actually wondered whether the Beeb photo was just from stock tbh
Traffic is being diverted along the road I use to get to work.
Luckily I'm off today.
The traffic was backed up eleven miles 😯 , so basically my door to my works door 🙁 and just heard it took the bus four hours to get from Inverkeithing park and ride to Edinburgh.
I think I may have to pedal to work next week if the bridge is still closed.
[quote=piemonster ]I actually wondered whether the Beeb photo was just from stock tbh
Eight locations would be one at each side of the main supports so it may be exactly as the photo shows?
As i understand it its the connection points into the main towers that all evidence the same issues. Not sounding like a very fast fix, weeks rather than days. Sounds like a 3 week closure.
Looks like I'll be cycling for the next three weeks.
On the bright side I'll be fitter and lighter
Closed until the New Year.
I know it's a big problem but I'm really looking forward to telling my boss, his head'll probably pop straight off.
Closed until the new year at least according to BBC
Closed till the new year now apparently. Joy
Wonder how the Nats will try to blame this on somebody else....
Shite,I hate going via Kincardine.
Looks like some advance train booking to be sorted out 🙁
Edit>>> Wonder if the foot path will stay open? <<< edit
No access at all to public, emergency services only.
That's why they do bridge inspections, twitter alight with people wailing about how it's someones fault.
Eight locations would be one at each side of the main supports so it may be exactly as the photo shows?
Seems likely
Was it ISIS/ ISIL/ DAESH fault? Maybe the bombing campaign is justified!
🙂
Closed till the new year now apparently. Joy
Good case for working from home leading up to Crimbo
That'll teach the tightfisted gits buying cheap houses in Fife & then infesting Edinburgh's roads.
😀
ac505 - MemberWonder how the Nats will try to blame this on somebody else...
Wut? 50 year old overworked bridge develops fault, and you think it must be someone's fault?
Was it ISIS/ ISIL/ DAESH fault?
Nah,it will have been Fifers looking for scrap metal 😉
[quote=piemonster ]Good case for [s]working from[/s] [b]not going[/b] home leading up to Crimbo
FTFY
[quote=northshoreniall ]Was it ISIS/ ISIL/ DAESH fault? TELP, apparently
Shirley they could keep the footpath/cyclepath open?
Wonder how the Nats will try to blame this on somebody else....
What's hilarious is the same commentators who were calling the new Forth crossing a SNP vanity project are now moaning that it wasn't built sooner 😀
It may depend on how access to the affected part is required - e.g. if they need to use the ped/cycle path to get to it.
I guess there's the option of opening one of the main carriageways for bike access?
I reckon this is pretty low on their priority list at the moment
That's going to really screw NHS Fife up. The majority of the folk who work at the Victoria Hospital are from this side of the water.
That's going to really screw NHS Fife up. The majority of the folk who work at the Victoria Hospital are from this side of the water.
They need to get with the modern times and let Doctors and Nurses work form home 😉
[quote=wanmankylung ]That's going to really screw NHS Fife up. The majority of the folk who work at the Victoria Hospital are from this side of the water.
They just need to do a job swap with all the Fifers working in Edinburgh.
Or catch the train
They will probably put a ferry service on, hopefully giving priority to key professions such as NHS workers.
Abellios' cost modelling for Yr1 of train operation must be looking mighty under, i guess they will have a fair few passengers for the next 3-4 weeks
[quote=piemonster ]Or catch the trainOr give them shovels and start them digging a tunnel.
Or give them shovels and start them digging a tunnel.
I think there's one already, or most of one nr hopetoun house end.
If Chis Rea lives in Fife he's going to be bloody pissed
Could a swim to work scheme be established, similar to the bike 2 work one?
Could a swim to work scheme be established?
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If Chis Rea lives in Fife he's going to be bloody pissed
He lives on the M62 just east of Pontefract.
Where's Simon & Garfunkel when you need them?
Yesterday they were shuttling the cyclists across in some of the bridge vehicles, I don't know if they will carry on with that though.
My missus who is qualified in such matters (bridge engineer)looked at the snaps and the schematic and said "haha sh1t that bits quite important, what a stupid design" So there you go.
Well that's reassuring...
It must have been an awful sight,
To witness in the dusky moonlight,
While the Storm Fiend did laugh, and angry with glee,
Along the Road Bridge of the A 90,
Oh! ill-fated Bridge near Dalgetty Bay,
I must now conclude my lay
By telling the world fearlessly without the least dismay,
That your central girders would not have given way,
At least many sensible men do say,
Had they been supported on each side with buttresses,
At least many sensible men confesses,
For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed.
[i]Donald McGonagall[/i]
Och a wee bit of Araldite and it will be right as rain
[i]My missus who is qualified in such matters (bridge engineer)looked at the snaps and the schematic and said "haha sh1t that bits quite important, what a stupid design" So there you go. [/i]
It's a shame they didn't have such a smart arse around 50 years ago when the bridge was being built 🙂
My missus who is qualified in such matters (bridge engineer)looked at the snaps and the schematic and said "haha sh1t that bits quite important, what a stupid design" So there you go.
She must be somewhat overly qualified then to be able to tell that from a few pics and a schematic on the news.
And if she's that bloody good she should be out designing bridges not flicking over to the news between Loose Women and Homes Under the Hammer.
They just need a really big roll of Duct tape...
She must be somewhat overly qualified then to be able to tell that from a few pics and a schematic on the news.
And if she's that bloody good she should be out designing bridges not flicking over to the news between Loose Women and Homes Under the Hammer.
Getting a bit nasty there.
I would guess that if she is a civil engineer that specializes in bridges she will probably know a bit about the design principle of such an iconic bridge.
[quote=footflaps ]They just need a really big roll of Duct tape...
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Its heading north
Northwind - Member
I know it's a big problem but I'm really looking forward to telling my boss, his head'll probably pop straight off.
So what happened, then? A festive shower of blood, gore and bits of skull?
He went very quiet. The special quiet you get just before someone picks up a letter opener and carves their way out of the office and into forensic history. Then he just left without telling anyone where he was going. So we'll probably find out what happened next in tomorrow's papers.
A strategic combo of train, Travelodge and working from home / out of the Glasgow office is going to be the order of the rest of the month. Luckily I'll get on the train before it gets too busy, going south, but coming home is going to be a bit of a pointy elbow fest. I pity those who will be trying to board at haymarket 😈
Many good memes here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/12034033/Forth-Bridge-Closure-They-may-take-our-bridge-but-theyll-never-take-our-memes.html
could've been worse
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Could there be an upside? When there were tube strikes in London a few years ago, a bunch of people bought bikes and started to ride to work. When people's car commute is disrupted and their routine is broken, could there be a shift to public transportation and bikes?
^^^^ yeah, but the bridge goes over a river ....... 🙂
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I pity those who will be trying to board at haymarket
**** you 😈
Whoops
Turns out the Scottish government knew of problems with the Forth Road Bridge trusses back in 2010, but cancelled the works before they got underway:
http://www.publiccontractsscotland.gov.uk/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=MAY077389
[i]Assessments of the suspended structure and the truss end connections have identified that several of the key elements forming these connections are overstressed.
A feasibility study has been undertaken and a preferred option identified to strengthen the existing truss end link connection.[/i]
😳
Old news that Ninfan; Amey have already confirmed that it's a different component of the truss ends that's failed. The contract you linked was cancelled in favour of reinforcement work which is ongoing but unconnected, apparently.
http://forthroadbridge-dev.blueprintwebtech.com/projects/capital-projects/truss-end-links/
There's been a bunch of other work done to reinforce the truss end packages over the last 10 years or so apparently but the bit that's failed wasn't considered highly stressed.
Work on those trusses was part of a list of maintenance work - there weren't "problems", they were recognised as components that would need work in future, along with a bunch of other parts.
And, as Northwind says, the part that actually broke wasn't the part that was going to be replaced anyway.
Is that Nazifan...Sorry Ninfan,trying to make it an SNP thing? What a belter!
This thread is a different take on the outcome..
https://trafficscotland.org/news/story.aspx?id=13233&Sort=StartDate&Direction=Descending&PS=10&PI=0
Update on the diversion.
No cycling or walking across the bridge either. Just in case you were wondering.
Bit of shooting themselves in the foot though closing it to cyclists and peds - they'll all just have to cram on the trains otherwise.. opportunity missed shirley ??
This has been circulating Facebook this week. Crack seems to be getting worse since closure
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=944806385600344&id=208916149189375
Bit of shooting themselves in the foot though closing it to cyclists and peds - they'll all just have to cram on the trains otherwise.. opportunity missed shirley ??
Dear lord, it's closed because it's an active worksite, not because they think that pedestrians and cyclists will cause a collapse. A perfectly sensible thing to do as the folks working to actually fix the bridge have better things to worry about than having to monitor and control cyclists and pedestrians.