[Closed] Sorry to start another E.U thread ..are most people you know in or out?

In. Was in by default to start with, but couple of friends arguing for out quite sensibly have made me look into all the arguments both ways, rather than be turned off by the overtones of deceit and some of the odious characters on the out campaign.

Still out. Along with 95% of my friends, and 95% of the people at work - Swiss financial services company, clients are large multinationals

Google play rewards asked me how I'm voting this morning and paid 19p for the pleasure!
I would say a good mix of in out and don't know

Myself and the majority of people I know well (work colleagues, family, friends) are firmly IN. A quick mental calculation of those I know for sure are defiantly voting OUT is about 6 or 7.

So I reckon that's about an 80/20 split in favour of IN.

Plus 1 or 2 undecided.

Paddy Power have the odds

Remain @ 2/7
Leave @ 11/4

Most of my circle of acquaintances are IN with the odd OUT, but I'm an ex-game developer so lots of friends still in that industry and other media type stuff.

My parents both in their 80s are both IN but spent 10+ years travelling around Europe, my step Mum says almost all the other "old" people (in her words) she chats too online are all OUT.

I'm voting out. There's too many immigrants in this country. Aussies everywhere.

Streuth!

Was in - now definite out, never vote tory again while cameron and osborn are in the party.

Genuine question - why the switch?

TBH I can't stand Cameron or Osborne, but I have to look beyond them, especially as the alternative on the other side of the fence is Johnson, IDS and Gove, and then Farage loitering with the unofficial leavers like a bad smell.

UPDATE: one of the out-ers has changed his mind after watching this Liverpool uni lecturer video that has been floating around -

He was so very OUT - a lifelong Tory, 80 years old, Surrey dweller, that he was shouting us down about it last month. Then he watched this, realised that Boris and Farage would be in charge of re-drafting a few thousand new laws, and realised he didn't trust them as far as he could throw them.

So that's now about 97% IN.

i'd say 90% IN.

The 90% are 20s and 30s, generally lefty creative arts types in inner cities, who you'd totally expect to be voting in. The 10% are over 70 and lifelong Tories. One guy wasn't sure but everyone in the pub was telling him to vote in.

Honestly, almost everyone I know and/or work with and am in regular contact with is out. There's a mix of folk who left school aged 15 through to holders of multiple Bachelors & Masters degrees, "normal" 9-5 office workers through to very successful small business owners employing 20+ folk, ages 25-70. That's between rural Scotland, the NE of England and Sheffield.

Interestingly, the only "inny" I know well is a retired millionaire who set up a very lucrative business in the field of reservoir engineering (Oil & Gas), and whose only input on the whole erosion of terms and conditions forced through by the oil companies in the name of 'inevitable cuts as a result of the present economic climate' was, "Good. They've had it too good for too long offshore". Clearly not every "Remain" supporter is doing so because they value workers rights.

Almost universally out except for the real socialist I know. Mix of many "professions" civil servants plus lots of self employed especially in building, engineering etc.
I suspect that for many the issue is confusing. Many of my friends cannot tell what actually will happen from a financial point of view as no one knows and any one who thinks they do is wrong.

From a social view is much more clear. Immigration is a huge issue. Like me most people I know care nothing about race but we do care that we are full and that more houses are going up each year.
3 million immigrants in recent years equals a lot of housing going into gaps in villages and in suburban fields. Happy with millions moving in as long as more move out. Don't care about the race of those moving either way.

Many of us object to being linked culturally or politically. People are not saying that they wish to ditch all EU rules but are saying that we must have to vote to have them. Finally many feel that as we didn't vote the current situation in it shouldn't exist. We voted for a small financial agreement and the rules have changed.

"odious characters on the out campaign"
both sides!
As we are dealing with politicians its a default anyway.

Those < 50, in.

Those > 50, out.

thestabiliser - Member
All the coffin dodgers are outies,

We've never met... 😉

Almost universally out except for the real socialist I know. Mix of many "professions" civil servants plus lots of self employed especially in building, engineering etc.
I suspect that for many the issue is confusing. Many of my friends cannot tell what actually will happen from a financial point of view as no one knows and any one who thinks they do is wrong.

Well at best there will only be a small hit to the economy at worst it will be devastated. The idea that there will be no negative effect is beyond fantasy. Just about every Single major analyst suggests that economy will go one way to some extent. The out campaign have a few business people who by their nature have vested interests in their particular niche. The idea that massively effecting our trade deal with the largest market in the world will have no effect to the economy is stupid.

From a social view is much more clear. Immigration is a huge issue. Like me most people I know care nothing about race but we do care that we are full and that more houses are going up each year.
3 million immigrants in recent years equals a lot of housing going into gaps in villages and in suburban fields. Happy with millions moving in as long as more move out. Don't care about the race of those moving either way.

Leaving the EU means either reducing immigration by killing the economy, or having the same immigration as business will require the same immigration, but then more will come from Asia as the wage gap is even grater and so cheaper! The entire argument over these two point is so poor I do not understand how either have gained traction.

There are few people I know who want to stay in.
Possibly age group, possibly location, but more probably the socio-group - manual workers.
Leicestershire.

Was an outie for a very long time, then came to the realisation that Boris and his ultra neo liberal ilk will be setting the agenda for workers rights, tax, the NHS, social housing and will be negotiating the exit with the EU, which brought me to the conclusion that The road to Wigan Pier and Down and out in Paris and London would soon become modern reading on the state of the nation. I am now firmly IN (couldn't change if I wanted, I have a postal vote which I posted almost as soon as the envelope dropped on the door mat)

Oh and most people I know are voting IN except a couple in their 70's and they are for out (One is German)

then came to the realisation that Boris and his ultra neo liberal ilk will be setting the agenda

Then vote them out at the next election, isn't that the way its supposed to work?

EdwardH wants the EU to protect him from the British electorate.

The next election is a little time away... and whilst one may wish to be able to vote a certain politician out, your vote may not 'count' if you are voting against the encumbent of a safe seat. Your vote in the referendum [i]will[/i] count - and a vote to stay in will help ensure that Boris et al are a step further away from power.

The next election is a little time away

So let's stay in the EU forever?

If you're bothered by [i]"Boris et al"[/i] then try to convince your fellow citizens not to vote Tory.

Not up to the job? Well tough then. Asking foreign politicians to step in and save you is not the solution.

Btw the other thread is for this sort of discussion.

I'd say that it's around 50/50, from the people I've spoken to. I'm not really typical STW readership; my colleagues are mostly educated, centre-right military types.

This is bigger than party politics. Anyone making decisions based on David Cameron, Borris Johnson, Micheal Gove, Nigel Farage, et al, or making decisions based on the integrity of the two campaigns, are barking up the wrong tree. The individuals will all be gone and forgotten in the next few years, but the EU will still be there.

Then vote them out at the next election, isn't that the way its supposed to work?

the fear is that if they've already shut the NHS, sold the forests, destroyed worker's rights and binned any human rights olbigations, it may already be too late.

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