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Most people I know seem to be planning to vote exactly to stereotype and as I mostly know graduates under the age of 50 and with a propensity to be Guardian readers it means they are almost all iners. My daily mail reading in-laws in their late 60s are the only people I know well who a definite outers.
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About 3 in to 1 out. I live in the highlands so that may affect things
Yes I saw that chart the other day and thought it was interesting that the groups most likely to leave were defined by what rag they read (apart from the Kippers near 100% but that's to be expected).
Odd on that graph that the 50-59 age group are for out. I would have thought the baby boomers who arguably gained most from post war prosperity, seen travel visas disappear, gone from weeks holiday in Bexhill to the shores of Spain, seen house prises rise and rise, full employment and pension rights, work equality and not had to go to war to preserve those rights like their parents and grandparents had to...
Folk are odd... 😕
Other than my two sisters who live up north and have barely travelled more than 20 miles from where they were born everyone else is in. But as Convert points out above my friends and work colleagues are also all degree educated, left of centre professional types so not very representative of the population as a whole.
I'm in a leafy bit of Surrey and I'd say it's a split around 50/50. I'm voting remain mostly because it seems less risky but I hope we see some sensible reforms in the EU after this.
Odd on that graph that the 50-59 age group are for out. I would have thought the baby boomers who arguably gained most from post war prosperity,
Yes I find it odd too. I have said previously that part of my desire to remain part of the EU is to avoid a possible return to separation and maybe even conflict (given the very nasty scapegoating going on in the Brexit camp - "it's the immigrants innit"?). It all sounds very dangerously 1930s brownshirty to me.
But... at least that chart only shows a slight leaning to leave amongst that age group. More alarming is the 60+ one (I'm 62).
Oh and for anyone who hasn't watched the Liverpool Uni video mentioned earlier, please do. Here's the link again.
[url= https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06/16/watch-dishonesty-industrial-scale-eu-law-expert-analyses-referendum-debate/ ]The case for Remain[/url]
All my friends and colleagues are IN, bar one colleague who was undecided last we spoke. Although he is moving to New York if that has any bearing on things.
hope we see some sensible reforms in the EU after this.
Zero chance imo. EU will take the vote as putting to bed UK opposition/eurosceptism knowing no UK goevernment is likley to unilaterally Leave after there being a specific vote on the issue.
Every one I know, bar FIL, is in.
I run a small barbershop in a reasonably affluent/white area of Bradford, I ran a poll found more outs than in but if you added the Dunno's to the Ins then it was more even. The over 50's were more likely to be out.
A friend ran one on the Brighouse Facebook page and it was nearly 60% out.
Unfortunately I'm hearing the most noise from the outies.
Empty vessels 'n' all that I suppose.
Yep majority are IN. But again probably skewed by statistics as most are white collar, degree educated middle class workers. The few people who say they are voting out are older daily nazi, ukip or conservative voters.
Just reposting this bit as I can see it is starting to turn.
Provide feedback keep opinions to the other thread thanks.
People I know, or have heard express their opinion ... its 80% Leave.
The people I know who want a Remain vote are those whose jobs are directly affected by staying in; a couple others with holiday homes in europe; immigrant friends who fear being sent back to their former country, and some others who just appear to have made their decision because its what they think is assumed as the intelligent decision to make ... without having given it an intelligent thought!
I see more long term problems arising from the result ... whichever way it goes.
the mail on sunday and the daily fascist just came out for remain
I'm in, but many "friends" are out (I've had de-friend a few on Facebook because the bigoted racist claptrap they are posting) To the Brexiters there is only one issue - immigration
i'd say 90% IN.
The 90% are 20s and 30s, generally lefty creative arts types in inner cities, who you'd totally expect to be voting in. The 10% are over 70 and lifelong Tories. One guy wasn't sure but everyone in the pub was telling him to vote in.
Not sure what this demonstrates apart from possible confirmation bias...
my mother in law who genuinely thinks there is a scripture/spiritual reason why the EU is the path to damnation.
yeah my mate's mum is the same - all her arguments for an out vote are based squarely on the book of revelations 😆
I haven't done a poll but I reckon that chart ^^ is a pretty accurate reflection of the people I know in the corresponding categories.
I think it'll be close, which is a bit depressing because it seems like the more the leave campaign scrape the barrel the more people they persuade.
I was IN until I watched and listened carefully to this.
Now I'm 100% in.
Family are 80% in
Riding buddies who don't frequent social media and who believe the "dishonest" Remain rubbish are 80% Out
All out, except my leftie socialist neighbour.
Sad, but true.Zero chance imo. EU will take the vote as putting to bed UK opposition/eurosceptism knowing no UK goevernment is likley to unilaterally Leave after there being a specific vote on the issue.
Most of our circle are avoiding talking about it. Which suggests to me they might be "inners".
The "outers" can't seem to wait to ****ing tell you about it!
Visiting my parents and surprised to see the Sunday Mail are urging their readers to remain.
I'd say it's a 50/50 split amongst my circle of friends and family but more of the original don't knows are veering towards out.
It seems a few on here reckon an out vote equates to being racist. That's a hell of a leap.
Almost everyone I know and work with is ”out”. Work is a very large food factory in London. The demographic of workers as you would expect is very broad.
I am also surprised (maybe I shouldnt be} that a vote out on this forum makes you an idiot. Let's be honest both sides are spouting lies of all sorts and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Judging everyone who is out as a mindless racist bigot is a bit strong. I personally believe out would benefit myself, children and my family. I await the typical single track flaming that such a statement will cause.
I am also surprised (maybe I shouldnt be} that a vote out on this forum makes you an idiot. Let's be honest both sides are spouting lies of all sorts and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Judging everyone who is out as a mindless racist bigot is a bit strong. I personally believe out would benefit myself, children and my family. I await the typical single track flaming that such a statement will cause.
Just look at the chart I put up on the last page. A large proportion of posters here fit into the stereotypical groups that generally support staying. It therefore is pretty logical that the bulk of those that use this forum will be pro staying and consequently find arguments made the other way idiotic. It would be like walking into a UKIP meeting and being surprised that your thoughts on why immigration was a good thing were not roundly applauded.
Also, whilst there might (possibly) be eloquent and informed debate on both sides only the leave side is naturally attractive to bigots and racists and nutters. You might have perfectly sensible reasons and come to a leave conclusion with care and research and not be a bigot, racist or nutter but you will still be damned by association in many people's eyes.
Almost everyone I know and work with is ”out”. Work is a very large food factory in London. The demographic of workers as you would expect is very broad.
I find it pretty weird that anyone living in London would vote out, given the massive risk it means to the local economy - the financial industry and the number of European company HQs that might decide to move to Berlin or wherever.
Most of the people I know are voting in.
Last group ride I guided I was the only in and the other 17 were out
All of my friends are in.
Very depressingly my dad is definitely out, he's a straight forward racist although he would deny it, whilst telling you amusing anecdotes of how he he was surprised not to be mugged or killed by a black man he walked past earlier in the week.
Amongst people I know, it's split largely along the lines of the chart on the previous page, although I was pleased to hear today that my Dad is voting to remain. He's over 80, but well educated and has worked abroad.
FiL is voting Out to "protect the country for his grandchildren", even though my children are strongly on the Remain side (and have debated this with him).
Almost everyone I know and work with is ”out”. Work is a very large food factory in London. The demographic of workers as you would expect is very broad.
I would expect the demographic to be mostly below degree level education and below average income for the area apart from a few managers?
Unless factory wages are top dollar these days and you need a MBA to get an interview?
I had thought that the majority of people i knew would be voting in. My parents are very much in.
My wife did a quick poll amongst the other mums at the school. The majority seemed to be voting leave. These are all very much degree educated, relatively well-off people.
At work (small fintech co., of which almost half employees have at least one doctorate) - split 50/50. There doesn't appear to be a correlation between political leaning and in/out and all have coherent arguments for their decision.
It'll be an interesting week in the city...
@mogrim I work in Finance, specifically asset management. The EU regulations I am subject to put me at a disadvantage to my competitors in the US and Asia. TBH a client should give money to a manager based in one if those locations. Secondly London has many workers who's wages and conditions are under threat, thats certainly the way they feel. Also any immigrant Londoner from outside the EU (such as my grandparents) it makes the playing field much more level whereas currently its difficult for them and their friends and family outside the UK
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I am also surprised (maybe I shouldnt be} that a vote out on this forum makes you an idiot.
It is disappointing but from experience on here, not unexpected.
Expect to be called a racist/xenophobe/scum etc too.
At work almost uniformly in, but we're a bunch of lefty sixth form teachers so that's too be expected.
"I would expect the demographic to be mostly below degree level education and below average income for the area apart from a few managers?"
Surprisingly one of the few factories left in NW London and believe it or not bog standard operator on days starts at around 25k going up to around 35k on nights. All negotiated by Union which supports staying but majority of members are out. Strange but true.
”I find it pretty weird that anyone living in London would vote out, given the massive risk it means to the local economy - the financial industry and the number of European company HQs that might decide to move to Berlin or wherever."
We are not owned by a European company.
Mcvities in Park Royal? would have presumed an IN majority but obviously not 😯
Overwhelmingly in. But then I work at a multicultural academic institution (63 nationalities) with strong international ties (EU and non-EU). Rather than allowing me to see some of the deeper pitfalls and benefits of the EU in relation to the UK as a whole this apparently makes me blind to the "immigrants and unelected EU dictators".............. 🙄
I know, it's a bugger when that happens isn't it?
@mogrim I work in Finance, specifically asset management. The EU regulations I am subject to put me at a disadvantage to my competitors in the US and Asia....
Yet you have a job, and presumably the company you work for is making a profit. But you'd risk that on an "out" vote?
We are not owned by a European company.
Exactly, that's the problem. They have a large factory in London presumably in part because they have access to a large market. Assuming a "leave" vote, two things could quite possibly happen: a) the UK economy tanks; b) the EU raises tariffs etc. Either way your non-European owners will see their profits drop. Of course leaving the EU might be a long term winner, but in the short-medium term it's hugely risky.
Keep on track people there's enough cat fighting in the big EU thread.
80% of folk i know are out, i am educated to MSc level(not that that should matter but it seems to on here) but i think the EU has ran its course, changes are worrying for people, even scary but i am am firmly in the get out now while we can before the Lisbon Treaty impacts and all the little treasures the EU have waiting for us are released.
If the vote was to join on Thursday how many would join knowing what we do about the EU.
Let's be honest both sides are spouting lies of all sorts and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Sorry I wasn't going to bite, but I'll try and do it nicely. I am aware of the odd lie by the leave campaign (how much money we'll save for example, or how many times we can actually spend it), but I can't remember a lie from the remain side. I mean, one may disagree with their economic projections, but that doesn't make them lies.
So, while I hear lots of people telling me both sides are lying, and I have evidence that one side are, what about the other side? Is it just "well, they're all at it, int' they?"
And doesn't the Lisbon Treaty strengthen the hand of the (elected by you) European Parliament and European Council (not elected directly by you but comprising the heads of state / government, which I think means the prime minister round here - so close enough elected by you), at the expense of the unelected European Commission. Or did I dream that?
Keep it on the other thread please.
Understood
The EU regulations I am subject to put me at a disadvantage to my competitors in the US and Asia
I wonder why financial asset mangers need regulations?
Drac noted, I was weak and I wavered 😳
Pasting to other thread
Thanks.
Mostly in over here in Western Australia, maybe because we already live in a stupidly isolated fairly right wing part of the world and rather like the fact the EU is neither. I do have some fairly fundamental reservations about the EU and I suspect a vote to remain wont actually lead to anything actually changing for the better. But I really really do not like the tone of the leave campaign and its focus on immigration.
Friends back home seem fairly In but bit more variation. They all seem worryingly resigned to it going Out though, so maybe they are hearing more on the ground so to speak.
In here with the only other Expat who can vote that I've asked in Tassie. Havn't bothered asking most back home but most fall on the in from what I've seen around social media.
In. Was out until I saw their propaganda as lies.
At the moment I'm a "shake it all about" kind of voter 🙂
Was out until I saw their propaganda as lies.
Interesting because the referendum isn't a vote in favour or against anyone, although I guess many people probably see it in that way. It's actually a vote to decide whether or not the UK stays a member of the EU.
If some people who support one particular position are lying through their teeth it doesn't make one iota of difference to me, since I'm not actually voting for them. I'm not sure that's a concept that many people fully understand.
Most i know are in, probably 95% or more.
If some people who support one particular position are lying through their teeth it doesn't make one iota of difference to me, since I'm not actually voting for them
But surely what the campaigns are saying is designed to influence voting? Otherwise, why have a campaign?
IN or OUT please otherwise The Man will lock it.
Lunch yesterday indicated all my & my girlfriends family are out, as am I.
Work I dont know, politics are rarely discussed since the disappointing day we discovered a leftie in our numbers.
/hovers over lock button.
I'm in along with most of the people I know.
I'm in and was getting hugely depressed at all the Leave posters on farmland while traveling down south. But all the people (except the over 70s) were in. Up here in the north it's more mixed. I know two outers, and some genuinely conflicted people who have arguments on both sides but the rest of my friends are in. Lefties, arty types and environmentalists though.
But surely what the campaigns are saying is designed to influence voting?
Well of course it is. But it doesn't change the fact that you aren't actually voting for or against anyone.
It's similar to the 2011 UK referendum on proportional representation. The No campaign specifically targeted Nick Clegg because they knew that he had become deeply unpopular with the electorate, and proportional representation was the LibDem's flagship policy.
It was in fact the principle condition which the LibDems attached to forming a full coalition with the Tories.
The British electorate gave a resounding No in alternative vote referendum. There is little doubt that the sheer size of the No vote was down to a public reaction to Nick Clegg's lying. It was deeply humiliating for Clegg.
I very much doubt that British voters support the first past the post system to quite the extent which the referendum suggested.
So was the 2011 referendum a vote for or against the Liberal Democrats ? Of course not.
Drac - Moderator/hovers over lock button.
Why ? No one is discussing the virtues or otherwise of being in the EU.
And with that.
Right last chance.
A big thanks to all those who have kept it on track, to those that seem hell bent on arguing please go elsewhere.
I'm in, if for no other reason that I am yet to hear or believe any compelling evidence to leave. Most folks I know are the same, or so they say anyway.
I'm in, think the majority of people I know who've expressed an opinion are in but not all, by a long shot.
In my area of Bristol (classic Guardian / Fair Trade latte / VW campervan territory) and amongst friends and acquaintances: it's [i]visibly[/i] 100% in...with the rare exception of the token Tory council candidate who is our opposite neighbour and one Leave poster I spotted on the next street.
I suspect there are quite a few quiet Leavers though. Our street's windows are a collage of In posters of all varieties and colours, so you'd have to be brave to be that one house to declare your Leave support in the same way.
In.
Work colleagues in (environment, engineering)
Family in, including parents in 80s and in-laws in late 70s. Credit to them, their inclinations are probably out, but they recognise the risks to and desires of their kids and grand kids.
Wider friends - either in or not stated (career professionals)
Wider family - out (farmers, small business owners)
All the coffin dodgers are outies, virtually everyone I know who it will materially affect are innies, except the bit racist ones.
I'm in, SO and her family are all in. Mother and sister are out and refuse point blank to talk about it. They also have their cameras covered up with tape on their phones...
In for the wife & I. Same for my Mother & SF
I was surprised that on a recent visit to the in laws (mid 70's still running their own business) they were both "in" as well given they are Cotswolds living DM readers.
Work is about 50% in 30% out 20% not sure (Food factory in the NW)
During Indyref I was quite vociferous in conversation and on social media to regarding my choice to vote Yes. I was aware, after the result, that I was perhaps influencing how those around me reacted; perhaps many yoonies just stayed quite. This time I've not been posting or saying anything but my overall impression is still that Remain is the favoured option amongst those I interact with. There is a feeling that many folk have yet to properly decide and maybe it's time for more people to "come out of the closet" and make their preference known in order to help persuade them.
Most of my older family are voting out, citing the usual angry reasons why (someone else governing us, immigration, bailing out Greece etc...). Me and my wife are firmly IN though.
Interestingly living in the country where the farmers must be one off the biggest recipients of EU funds, they all seem to be wanting out. Poster everywhere.
Personally now voting In as I don't trust our politicians new or old to look after the masses. Also if we voted out there is no way any westminster government would ever provide funding for all our love trail centres.
However if I wake up on Friday and we have voted out, I don't think I would be disappointed.
A few out, but mostly in.
A few friends are on the fence and, to their absolute credit, are doing some research.
Interestingly living in the country where the farmers must be one off the biggest recipients of EU funds, they all seem to be wanting out. Poster everywhere.
It's the same in Norfolk. Bro-in-law works for the council and has been amazed at the huge UKIP support, despite it being a poorer county and EU grants being available.
For me, everyone I know with a good job and/or are self starters are in; retiree's and people with more basic jobs who are cruising are out.
Was in - now definite out, never vote tory again while cameron and osborn are in the party.
All family and friends out
Dont read red tabloids either