You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
We’re down to the nitty gritty now.
Not a term that should be used.
Not a term that should be used
I've never understood this. People can't say that because it might have once had slavery connotations.
Whereas the word "Slavery" which definately did have slavery connotations and still does today, is ok.
I've just had to look that up. I had no idea it was problematic.
Take away their pocket money, job done, can't be accused if you have no reason to be in the shop.
**** running a shop near a school
“there is no evidence to support the suggestion that 'nitty gritty' has any connection with slave ships,” saying the phrase “isn't even recorded in print” until the 1930s, “long after slave ships had disappeared.”
It lists the earliest example of the phrase in print coming from a catalogue of musical compositions from 1937 which includes a song titled 'That Nitty-Gritty Dance', by Arthur Harrington Gibbs.
Like throwing the FOI Act at schools, throwing GDPR at corner shops to try and win the argument is stupid
It does raise a good point though and not something I'd thought of. I will instruct my kids not to give their details out to anyone. If someone demanded your name and address, would you give it?
It does raise a good point though and not something I’d thought of. I will instruct my kids not to give their details out to anyone.
We spent hours teaching my son his surname and the first line of his address as early as possible so he could tell an adult and be returned to us if we ever lost him.
Having found a lost toddler once and then been assisted by 3 other adults I reckon most people asking a kid for his name and address are trying to help. In comparison there's a vanishingly small number of peados.
Do paedos have to know the kid's name before they molest them?
Have we found out which school, the big boys who did this but ran off, are from?
Have we found out which school, the big boys who did this but ran off, are from?
I think the shopkeeper is still doing the paperwork and training courses that will permit him to ask them
We spent hours teaching my son his surname and the first line of his address as early as possible so he could tell an adult and be returned to us if we ever lost him.
I just put collars on mine with their first name and my phone number
This is the thread that just keeps giving.
I just put collars on mine with their first name and my phone number
My wife wouldn't let me tattoo my mobile number on his face.
I think the shopkeeper is still doing the paperwork and training courses that will permit him to ask them
🤣
“there is no evidence to support the suggestion that ‘nitty gritty’ has any connection with slave ships,” saying the phrase “isn’t even recorded in print” until the 1930s, “long after slave ships had disappeared.”
It lists the earliest example of the phrase in print coming from a catalogue of musical compositions from 1937 which includes a song titled ‘That Nitty-Gritty Dance’, by Arthur Harrington Gibbs.
It's sufficiently ambiguous that some agencies (eg: Sky) have instructed their employees not to use it. So whether it's 100% proven or not, it is best avoided when there are dozens of other phrases that will serve the same role.
If it might hold racist connotations, best avoided, no?
So whether it’s 100% proven or not
What do you mean by not 100pc proven? Do you think it's 0.001pc proven? How so? AFAICT there's absolutely no reason to think there's any significance to the word whatsoever.
If it might hold racist connotations, best avoided, no?
That's a different issue. Not a word I use so easily avoided for me. But again, other words that have slavery connotations like the word 'slavery' or 'slave ship' or 'shackle' are all totally fine so I'm curious about the rules around this. But yup, not a word I use so no drama for me.
those words existed before africans were used as slaves in the new world. slavery existed before then but i think that the slave trade at that time was the biggest ever in history and is at the root of a lot of modern issues.
words and phrases that come specifically from that trade are offensive.
edit: would be my guess
I think there is sufficient doubt that I avoid using the phrase just in case.
Phrases.org does apparently have a bit of a reputation - complaining about people being touchy about certain language and phrases. So them saying 'It's probably OK because there's nothing in print before 1930" isn't necessarily a glowing endorsement.
Equally, language changes and evolves. It may have been in common use but not recorded and then fallen out of circulation to then come back. The c word was common parlance at one time, we even had roads named after 'it'.
The lack of any etymology giving a more polite version of where it does come from also makes me wonder.
We are into slavery now?
What the hell had gone on since I last popped in here?!
If the op's kids have been sold off into slavery by the shop keeper?
I'm against it.
Whether random people coercing kids into giving up their personal details constitutes a risk in the digital age or not is a mere irrelevancy.
I'm struggling with the jump from knowing a child's name to coercing, does knowing someone's name suddenly make them more vulnerable?
I think the op has traded his kids into slavery at the corner shop in question
He swapped 2 x juvenile diluquents for 8 baxooka joes, 6 bootlaces, 12 outer spaces and 2 bags of space dust
It does raise a good point though and not something I’d thought of. I will instruct my kids not to give their details out to anyone.
Your kids are probably more "street smart" than you are having been training in internet safety throughout their schooling. They probably also know that there are times and places when "do not give their details to anyone" is not the best solution - like if they need help and speak to a police officer, or call an ambulance and the crew ask a bunch of personal information, or a friends parent wants your phone number to discuss some planned trip, or they try to post a package and the PO staff ask for the sender's address, or umpteen other situations where it perfectly sensible to share a sensible amount of information. Meantime they've been filmed by dozens of cameras all of which you and they ignore and with something like a school uniform will make ID trivial...
If someone demanded your name and address, would you give it?
It would depend who, how they "demanded" and in what circumstances. Generally speaking I don't consider my name to be a state secret. The OP says he "made them" give it - but doesn't explain which method of torture was used to extract this information. Somehow in true STW way they were "coerced" to supply it. I expect he probably asked, perhaps slightly authoritatively and they told him because they are nice lads who generally behave and "respect" adults. Had they been the sort of seasoned shoplifters who systematically nick stuff they'd probably have told him to F*** Off, threatened to have him stabbed and tipped over his display stand as they ran away laughing.
Have we found out which school, the big boys who did this but ran off, are from?
The older of the two boys described the uniform, which they did not immediately recognise, and we found it by doing a search of Cardiff schools online. So yes, we now know which school the other kids came from.
So yes, we now know which school the other kids came from
Careful now. This is information that can be used to identify an individual. You should probably delete that.
You don't want the ICO threatening to phone the school about your boys too!
I’m struggling with the jump from knowing a child’s name to coercing, does knowing someone’s name suddenly make them more vulnerable?
You can hunt em down on social media and find out their likes dislikes to groom em.
TBH Must be grim having any job interacting with kids nowadays.
The glaring bit of evidence is that SRs kids came home and fessed. Any kids that actually nicked something would be keeping quiet and hoping to get away with it.
Are they his children or does SR actually run a textile mill that employs child labour? Perhaps they escaped and stole something on purpose as a cry for help. We all think SR is a decent family man from Canada who studies history when he could be a slaver because this thread is quite frankly ****ing mental and nothing posted in it would surprise me.
He swapped 2 x juvenile diluquents for 8 baxooka joes, 6 bootlaces, 12 outer spaces and 2 bags of space dust
OP is a good negotiator!
Wonders who unulalalules man on the inside is…
GDPR thing is silly. Child protection isn’t. But don’t conflate the two.
Goes off to read up on slave terms, anxious about next time the ‘my kid has nits’ thread that only has one answer (product is named after ‘that phrase’ OMFG).
I liked Flaperon’s story.
Most schizo thread on STW (can I say that?).